| Bovinity | paroneayea: do you prefer Chris or Christopher? | 00:03 |
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| paroneayea | Bovinity: Put Christopher on the page | 00:03 |
| Bovinity | paroneayea: word | 00:03 |
| paroneayea | in real life I don't care :) | 00:03 |
| pyrak | but who cares about real life? | 00:17 |
| Bovinity | Witness! http://creativecommons.org/about/people#116 | 00:22 |
| paroneayea | oh hey, that looks pretty good :) | 00:23 |
| paroneayea | thx Bovinity :) | 00:23 |
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| sixofour__ | Is there a site that hosts poetry and such under CC? | 04:16 |
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| thomg | open source poetry | 11:39 |
| thomg | google it | 11:39 |
| thomg | there is a site | 11:39 |
| thomg | http://osp.bbkstudio.com/ | 11:39 |
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| greg-g | what the heck, I'm starting to get spam in my @cc.org email address inbox | 14:53 |
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| paroneayea | /\_/\ | 16:41 |
| paroneayea | / 0.0 \ | 16:41 |
| paroneayea | == _|_ == _ | 16:41 |
| paroneayea | / \ / \ | 16:41 |
| paroneayea | | || || | /\| | 16:41 |
| paroneayea | |_|_|_|_|_| | 16:41 |
| dergringo | http://wearefuntastic.net/imageserver/_naklappits/img/lustigekatzemhm.jpg | 16:42 |
| paroneayea | lies. | 16:43 |
| dergringo | ;-) | 16:44 |
| paroneayea | also, I was just looking for an excuse to paste some ascii art | 16:44 |
| paroneayea | ___ | 16:44 |
| paroneayea | / \ | 16:44 |
| paroneayea | /\___/\ | 16:44 |
| paroneayea | | | | | | 16:44 |
| paroneayea | \ ^___^ / | 16:44 |
| paroneayea | ------__ | 16:44 |
| paroneayea | _(___(__) | 16:44 |
| paroneayea | (__) | 16:44 |
| paroneayea | have a goomba | 16:44 |
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| nathany | nkinkade: ping | 18:03 |
| nkinkade | nathany: Hi. | 18:03 |
| nathany | gotta sec to chat re: ToS and PP for CCN? | 18:03 |
| nkinkade | Sure. | 18:03 |
| nkinkade | Do you want to chat here or by phone? | 18:03 |
| nathany | here is fine, I think | 18:03 |
| nathany | if we need more bandwidth we'll go to phone | 18:04 |
| nathany | so if I understand correctly you haven't updating the ToS or PP for CCN yet, right? | 18:04 |
| nkinkade | That's correct. | 18:04 |
| nathany | s/updating/updated/ | 18:04 |
| nathany | are we replacing them with the "master" policies? | 18:04 |
| nathany | (or is that a question for DP?) | 18:04 |
| nkinkade | I figured that since it all had to be concomitant with a notice displaying that you would probably handle it. | 18:05 |
| nathany | makes sense | 18:05 |
| nkinkade | nathany: But I guess I could make the changes, tell you it was ready and then you could get the notice going. | 18:06 |
| nathany | nkinkade: not a big deal; are we replacing the ToS and PP with the "master" policies, or do you have amended versions that are CCN specific | 18:06 |
| nathany | (or should I ask DP?) | 18:06 |
| greg-g | akozak: hey, question on the ODEPO form. Should the "Do you want your organization to be featured?" be a yes/no checkbox? In the form it is a text entry box. The "Featured Project" property is a string. Should it be a boolean? http://semantic-mediawiki.org/wiki/Type:Boolean | 18:08 |
| nkinkade | nathany: Probably best to confirm with DP, but I think there is a minor change to the ToU, and then we are replacing the existing privacy policy with the new one ???? | 18:09 |
| nathany | nkinkade: ok, i'll check with her | 18:09 |
| nathany | IIRC the change you made to the local repository but did not push was just for the "effective date" in the footer | 18:10 |
| nathany | for our last revision | 18:10 |
| akozak | greg-g: possibly, i don't really know why that option is in there | 18:10 |
| akozak | greg-g: I'm jsut going to remove it | 18:10 |
| akozak | greg-g: just had a talk with pete about cc in sakai | 18:11 |
| greg-g | akozak: yeah, it has been a slow going process | 18:12 |
| greg-g | and, just fyi, he is a very dutch kid, so his name is Piet | 18:12 |
| akozak | oh haha | 18:12 |
| greg-g | hence his height | 18:12 |
| greg-g | ;) | 18:12 |
| akozak | he's going to ping the devs, maybe see if they want to start looking for other devs | 18:13 |
| akozak | err | 18:13 |
| akozak | other devs to pass off the project to | 18:13 |
| akozak | or just get a sense of what its chances are atm | 18:14 |
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| greg-g | yeah, it is kinda sad how long it has been in limbo | 18:14 |
| greg-g | oh, akozak, one more bug report :), I added a resource feed URL for Open.Michigan, but it isn't showing up on the page: http://opened.creativecommons.org/University_of_Michigan_-_Open.Michigan | 18:15 |
| akozak | doh | 18:15 |
| greg-g | I haven't looked into this one at all, but I can if you're a bit busy | 18:15 |
| akozak | greg-g: fixed | 18:16 |
| greg-g | awesome | 18:18 |
| akozak | thanks for that greg-g, i should have tested it | 18:21 |
| greg-g | akozak: no worries, it is what I do :) | 18:21 |
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| greg-g | akozak: nkinkade: I'm trying to compare two revisions of a wiki article on opened and it is returning that 503 error. Should the same "fix" be applied to opened as was applied to wiki.cc? | 18:27 |
| akozak | greg-g: I've already applied it. | 18:27 |
| nkinkade | greg-g: I just go an SMS that OpenEd was down. | 18:27 |
| greg-g | akozak: oh | 18:28 |
| greg-g | nkinkade: eek | 18:28 |
| greg-g | it being down might be the issue then :) | 18:28 |
| akozak | heh | 18:30 |
| akozak | seems to be back | 18:34 |
| greg-g | cool | 18:37 |
| paroneayea | curry @12? | 18:39 |
| nkinkade | greg-g: Can you do you revision comparison again? | 18:45 |
| nkinkade | I think the problem was something else. | 18:45 |
| greg-g | nkinkade: works nicely now, snappy | 18:46 |
| nkinkade | I think the machine was just flooded with requests from some IP address. | 18:47 |
| nkinkade | Maybe some rogue spider? | 18:47 |
| greg-g | no clue, maybe all those crazy OpenEd conference folks were hammering it ;) | 18:50 |
| greg-g | (doubt it) | 18:50 |
| nkinkade | pyrak: Were you going to roll out the links to ToU and Privacy, etc when you rolled out the latest changes? | 18:52 |
| akozak | nkinkade: maybe someone's trying to scrape it? | 18:55 |
| akozak | or was trying | 18:55 |
| akozak | paroneayea: will you be at the office at all next week? | 18:55 |
| paroneayea | akozak: no :< | 18:57 |
| paroneayea | I fly out early, early tomorrow | 18:57 |
| akozak | ok, shucks | 18:57 |
| akozak | any idea when you'll come back? | 18:57 |
| paroneayea | we haven't discussed that yet | 18:57 |
| paroneayea | so, no | 18:57 |
| akozak | ok | 18:57 |
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| KEBA1 | im searching for a licence. which allows to modify the product but using another name for it. | 19:34 |
| KEBA1 | principally a simple ND... | 19:34 |
| greg-g | well, all of the CC licenses do not let people who make modifications indicate that the original author endorses their remix | 19:36 |
| greg-g | but that isn't quite what you want, I'm guessing | 19:36 |
| KEBA1 | hm no | 19:39 |
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| KEBA1 | i mean. generally they are allowed to modify the product. but eg. if my product ist named "KEBA-foo", they arent allowed to call their remix "KEBA-foo-2" or sth like that. | 19:40 |
| greg-g | define "product" | 19:42 |
| KEBA1 | a book, a magazine, a song... | 19:42 |
| KEBA1 | is there a difference? | 19:42 |
| greg-g | well, if we're gonig to talk hypotheticals I like to have a little bit of solid ground to work on :) | 19:43 |
| greg-g | so, could you describe the case that you are specifically working with? | 19:43 |
| KEBA1 | a book | 19:44 |
| KEBA1 | everyone should be allowed to remix this book | 19:44 |
| KEBA1 | but: he/she should not be allowed to call this book "KEBAs story 2" | 19:44 |
| KEBA1 | (in the case i call my boook "KEBAs story") | 19:45 |
| greg-g | ok, well, the closest thing I can think of is the Mozilla Public License: http://www.mozilla.org/MPL/MPL-1.1.html (see section 6.3) | 19:45 |
| greg-g | but that really isn't written for anything other than source code so I wouldn't recommend using it for your book | 19:46 |
| greg-g | in fact, I would highly disrecommend it for a book | 19:46 |
| KEBA1 | a source code license for a book is not "that" good, right | 19:47 |
| greg-g | exactly (what I just said) :) | 19:47 |
| greg-g | I am just trying to think of licenses that are similar to what you are asking | 19:48 |
| greg-g | there is no CC license that has that specific requirement | 19:48 |
| KEBA1 | hm, kay :) | 19:48 |
| KEBA1 | but will there be sth like this in the feature? | 19:49 |
| KEBA1 | or, where can i suggest this? | 19:49 |
| greg-g | I don't think it is on anyone's plan, but you are welcome to send an note about it to CC: http://creativecommons.org/contact | 19:51 |
| KEBA1 | hm, thx | 19:52 |
| greg-g | no problem | 19:52 |
| KEBA1 | but thats sound like "nobody wants to create such a license" - i dont know much about this, but formulating "you have to rename this work, if you want to modify is" in a more juristic way is that much work? | 19:53 |
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| paroneayea | if you are parsing something in lxml like: "<foo> pre blah blah <bar /> post blah blah</foo>" | 20:39 |
| paroneayea | how do you get to the post blah blah? | 20:39 |
| paroneayea | it isn't possible to get to it via .text | 20:39 |
| pyrak | nkinkade, yes. both those changes are in trunk right now | 20:42 |
| pyrak | i actually have a moment, shall i take trunk live? | 20:42 |
| paroneayea | oh | 20:43 |
| nkinkade | pyrak: I'm fine with that, as long as everyone else has signed off the current design. | 20:45 |
| pyrak | nkinkade, yeah, that hasn't exactly happened. i can email out and ask, though | 20:46 |
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| paroneayea | aha, .tail | 20:48 |
| nathany | KEBA1: the licenses do state that you a deriver can't imply any endorsement of the original creator for their work | 20:52 |
| nathany | you might argue that using the same name implies endorsement | 20:52 |
| nathany | (fwiw) | 20:52 |
| KEBA1 | nathany: im sorry, but i do not understand what you want to tell me (im not english...) | 20:54 |
| nathany | KEBA1: the licenses say that if I take your story and make a derivative, I can't tell people that you approve of my change or support it | 20:56 |
| nathany | ("endorse" it) | 20:57 |
| nathany | you might argue that using the same title implies that sort of support | 20:57 |
| KEBA1 | ah thx, now ive got it | 20:57 |
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| KEBA1 | well of course i dont have to say "well, this change is now official" - but i do not like it, if others use my title. because it seems, that ive made this or i want to support this... | 20:59 |
| paroneayea | nathany: are doctests acceptable in this establishment, when appropriate? | 21:04 |
| nathany | paroneayea: acceptable and encouraged if they're actually narrative | 21:05 |
| paroneayea | good | 21:05 |
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| nathany | nkinkade: is there a way to do virtualhosts in apache so that i can have the same conf for the ssl and non-ssl portions? | 22:20 |
| nkinkade | nathany: You could use an include | 22:20 |
| nathany | iirc there's a problem with having directives like SSLEngine on in a virtualhost section operating on a non-SSL request | 22:20 |
| nathany | nkinkade: besides that? just curious... | 22:20 |
| nkinkade | I'm not aware of a way to do that, but I was just thinking about it recently because I had a need for that functionality. | 22:21 |
| nkinkade | It would be nice if there was a way to include a common section in the same file, for example. | 22:21 |
| nkinkade | I'm not aware that that is possible. | 22:21 |
| nathany | thanks | 22:28 |
| Bovinity | when are parker's updates to search, from yesterday, going live? | 22:35 |
| nathany | pyrak: ^^ | 22:39 |
| pyrak | nathany, Bovinity, email sent | 22:59 |
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