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| papyromancer | Anyone in here playing around with Google Wave? | 12:59 |
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| balleyne | JED3: hey, you around? | 15:36 |
| JED3 | hey balleyne | 15:39 |
| balleyne | JED3: do you have a minute to catch up? | 15:39 |
| JED3 | sure | 15:39 |
| balleyne | I still haven't released an alpha/beta, but I think I'm about ready, just want to test the latest dev snapshot on a fresh install | 15:40 |
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| balleyne | I hard-coded support for CC0, we didn't get a chance to talk about whether or not that'd be a good idea though -- thoughts? | 15:41 |
| JED3 | can you send me a link to the project page? | 15:42 |
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| balleyne | http://drupal.org/project/creativecommons | 15:43 |
| balleyne | that page? | 15:43 |
| JED3 | yes, thanks | 15:43 |
| JED3 | i'm looking over your code right now looking for any questions you may have left in as comments | 15:45 |
| JED3 | is there anything particular you were unsure about? | 15:45 |
| JED3 | ...and hard coded CC0 is fine | 15:45 |
| balleyne | I've eliminated most of the questions in the comments, I think most things are resolved | 15:46 |
| balleyne | I guess, the one major 1.0 question remaining are the metadata fields | 15:46 |
| JED3 | you mean the RDF? | 15:47 |
| balleyne | no, they were custom metadata fields that were originally supported | 15:47 |
| balleyne | format of work, title, description, creator's name, copyright holder's name, year of copyright, source work url | 15:48 |
| balleyne | I've broken support for those and I haven't fixed it yet, but I'm not quite sure how important that is | 15:48 |
| balleyne | I'm tempted to drop support | 15:48 |
| balleyne | seems like it would be useful if you were posting content that originated elsewhere I guess, otherwise it seems to make more sense to use the drupal information or other drupal modules like CCK to add those extra fields | 15:50 |
| balleyne | I don't know, maybe I'm just having a hard time imagining use cases | 15:50 |
| JED3 | balleyne: i know how useful it would be for reuse | 15:51 |
| balleyne | hmm, ok. is that a complete list of metadata, or are there other fields that could be important? | 15:52 |
| JED3 | but i think there should certainly be some flexibility in how a drupal admin can license their work, such as being able to clearly define the attributionName and attributionURL | 15:53 |
| JED3 | http://creativecommons.org/ns | 15:53 |
| balleyne | ah, ok, that's useful | 15:54 |
| balleyne | so, the technical question then | 15:54 |
| balleyne | that data used to be stored as part of the serialized object, but since I'm just storing the license uri now, I'd need to add some fields in the database | 15:55 |
| balleyne | well, I was going to ask if I should add those fields to the database schema to add support for these specific fields, or if a more flexible metadata system would be better (to handle other fields I might be missing) | 15:56 |
| balleyne | but, I think, maybe I'll just add those fields into the db directly for 1.0, and a more flexible system could always come later | 15:57 |
| JED3 | hmm, i'm not sure about that one | 15:58 |
| balleyne | not sure about my suggestion? or not sure about what to do in general? | 15:58 |
| JED3 | I would just add columns for the fields, but i know drupal folks love that CCK stuff which honestly I don't have a firm understanding of | 15:59 |
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| JED3 | there is a site config table in Drupal right? | 16:00 |
| balleyne | what do you mean by a site config table? | 16:01 |
| balleyne | I can add columns for the fields, and CCK can still be useful if anyone wants to use other fields beyond what's hardcoded | 16:01 |
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| JED3 | cool, yeah I would add attributionName and attributionURL | 16:06 |
| balleyne | ok | 16:06 |
| JED3 | http://wiki.creativecommons.org/CcREL | 16:08 |
| balleyne | right, I've made notes to look into implementing ccREL after 1.0, for now I'm just outputting the RDF return from the API | 16:08 |
| JED3 | ahh okay | 16:09 |
| balleyne | actually, I think there's some support built in already... just browsing the metadata output code in creativecommons.class.php from the module | 16:10 |
| JED3 | yeah, there is a considerable amount in there | 16:10 |
| JED3 | i saw few items that looked deprecated though | 16:10 |
| JED3 | but you could use that as an example | 16:10 |
| balleyne | right, cool, hadn't looked at that part of the code since I stumbled across ccREL | 16:11 |
| balleyne | ok, I should be able to get the metadata bit up and running tonight | 16:11 |
| balleyne | otherwise, just a couple other questions | 16:11 |
| balleyne | the CC API seems to return the latest version of a license, even if the URI specifies an earlier version | 16:12 |
| balleyne | is that expected behaviour? | 16:12 |
| balleyne | (not sure if it's a problem with the caching in the drupal module, but I don't think so) | 16:12 |
| JED3 | can you give me an example? | 16:12 |
| JED3 | the rest call you are using | 16:13 |
| balleyne | yep, one sec | 16:13 |
| balleyne | http://api.creativecommons.org/rest/1.5/details?license-uri=http%3A%2F%2Fcreativecommons.org%2Flicenses%2Fby-nd%2F2.0%2Fca%2F | 16:14 |
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| JED3 | hmm | 16:19 |
| balleyne | yeah, I wasn't sure about that one | 16:20 |
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| balleyne | JED3: ok, well, i think those are the only issues at the moment | 16:27 |
| balleyne | think we can arrange a call for sometime next time to discuss the second half of the project? | 16:28 |
| JED3 | okay cool, I'll look into the api question, the api predates me so i dont know if thats expected behavior or not haha | 16:28 |
| balleyne | heh, no problem, thanks | 16:30 |
| nkinkade | nathany: Do you have any recollection that we may have had anything to do with CC Pero (pe.creativecommons.org) and webhosting of that domain at ibiblio.org? | 16:37 |
| nkinkade | *Peru | 16:37 |
| nathany | nkinkade: no idea | 16:38 |
| nkinkade | Wait, nevermind ... I meant our Dreamhost account. | 16:38 |
| nathany | uh | 16:38 |
| nathany | no | 16:38 |
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| balleyne | JED3: oh, one more thing... *sigh* I got myself blocked on the CC Wiki: "Automatically blocked by abuse filter. Description of matched rule: Userpage created before other edits (v. 2)." Block id is #434. help? | 16:39 |
| mecredis | weird | 16:43 |
| mecredis | nkinkade: can you help with balleyne wiki's issue | 16:43 |
| nkinkade | Sure. I can try. | 16:43 |
| nkinkade | balleyne: Let me look into getting you unblocked. Unfortunately your pattern matches that of some heavy spam we were getting. | 16:44 |
| mecredis | brb | 16:44 |
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| nkinkade | balleyne: What's your username on the wiki? | 16:45 |
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| balleyne | nkinkade: Balleyne | 16:46 |
| nkinkade | :-) | 16:46 |
| balleyne | mecredis: thanks | 16:46 |
| balleyne | nkinkade: yeah, thanks, didn't realize it was spammy behaviour, had multiple tabs open and clicked edit on the user page first lol | 16:47 |
| nkinkade | It's not, necessarily, but apparently it matches some spammy behavior we've been seeing. | 16:47 |
| balleyne | right | 16:48 |
| nkinkade | balleyne: Try again. | 16:48 |
| balleyne | nkinkade: great, unblocked, thanks :) | 16:49 |
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| balleyne | nkinkade: ah, just got reblocked. when I went to edit (the Partner Interface page, not my userpage), the same filter was tripped | 16:52 |
| balleyne | probably because my userpage has already been created, but I still haven't made any other edits... ? | 16:52 |
| nkinkade | balleyne: Let me see if I can add an exception. | 16:53 |
| nkinkade | I don't know the AbuseFilter extension at all, but I'm sure it's possible. | 16:53 |
| nkinkade | Sorry about that. | 16:53 |
| balleyne | np | 16:54 |
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| nkinkade | Hmm. balleyne, I can't really find any information on whitelisting a user or permanently unblocking someone, which surprises me. | 17:08 |
| balleyne | nkinkade: what about if you delete my user page? then, maybe, I won't trip the filter again? | 17:09 |
| nkinkade | I just unblocked your user again. Perhaps you could try making some trivial whitespace edit on buried page to see what happens??? | 17:09 |
| nkinkade | balleyne: I'll try that. | 17:09 |
| balleyne | thanks | 17:09 |
| nkinkade | It doesn't look like you have a user page. | 17:10 |
| balleyne | ah, yeah, I just noticed that... the filter must have blocked the creation of the user page, yet, it still remembers that I tried to create it | 17:11 |
| nkinkade | Which confuses me as to why the filter is tripping. | 17:11 |
| balleyne | yeah, unless there's an edit stored somewhere? | 17:11 |
| balleyne | can you delete my account? maybe I can start fresh? | 17:11 |
| nkinkade | Hmm. If you can find any information on whitelisting users for the AbuseFilter extension, I'd glady accept it. | 17:11 |
| nkinkade | I'm not aware that there is any way to delete a user except directly via the database. | 17:12 |
| balleyne | ok, well, I may just create another account under a different username then, unless I can find any info on whitelisting | 17:13 |
| balleyne | I've actually gotta run now though | 17:13 |
| balleyne | thanks for your help | 17:14 |
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| akozak | nkinkade: Did anyone ever give the go-ahead on an opened staging site? | 18:25 |
| nkinkade | akozak: I don't think I ever got an official green light. | 18:26 |
| nkinkade | I saw some talk about how it might be a good thing. | 18:26 |
| nkinkade | Was it decided that we'd setup a staging site. | 18:27 |
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| akozak | nkinkade: I'll get a confirmation/ | 18:28 |
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| nkinkade | Cool. Have it go out via email and with all the requisite people copied, namely Ahrash and Nathan. | 18:29 |
| akozak | I just continued the last thread. | 18:31 |
| akozak | nkinkade: I'm going to be gone all of next week though. | 18:32 |
| nkinkade | That'll give the email time to circulate and assuming it's all go, which I believe it is, it should be up and running for your return. | 18:33 |
| akozak | nkinkade: Well, ideally Lee-Sean could do some initial testing while I'm gone... but maybe that's unrealistic. | 18:34 |
| akozak | I think this OpenEd translation project might have been underestimated :P | 18:34 |
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| nkinkade | Bovinity: you doing anything on staging that shouldn't be interrupted? | 19:16 |
| Bovinity | nkinkade: nope | 19:17 |
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| Bovinity | nkinkade: how close is the new store to being done? | 20:42 |
| nkinkade | Bovinity: Pretty much there except for a few configs. | 20:43 |
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| nkinkade | Bovinity: Would you be able to poke around on staging to make sure that everything seems to be working to your satisfaction? I just upgraded to WP 2.8.1 | 21:18 |
| nkinkade | Everything seems fine to me, but maybe you've got a better idea of some custom things that might be likely to break on an upgrade. | 21:18 |
| Bovinity | nkinkade: http://staging.creativecommons.org/?s=foo | 21:21 |
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| nkinkade | Bovinity: Thanks! | 21:23 |
| nkinkade | That's precisely why I pinged you. | 21:24 |
| nkinkade | I guess the search plugin needs updating. | 21:24 |
| nkinkade | Yikes. We are on v2.0 and v3.4.1 is available for Search Unleashed. | 21:24 |
| nkinkade | I was wrong 0.2.6 -> 1.0.2 | 21:25 |
| akozak | nkinkade: I guess we'll hold off on setting up a staging unless we rule out using the SMW CC-wiki method of page translation. | 21:33 |
| nkinkade | Bovinity: http://staging.creativecommons.org/?s=bar | 21:37 |
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| nkinkade | If you see anything else let me know (of course) | 21:38 |
| nkinkade | I guess I'll let it sit on staging for a few days, though I suspect it's probably okay to merge to production. | 21:38 |
| Bovinity | nkinkade: looks fine to me | 21:39 |
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