| akozak | Here's a great general summary of OVC: http://www.clayfox.com/2009/06/22/reflections-on-the-ovc/ | 00:00 |
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| pyrak | turns out this code isn't ready to be committed. i found a bug where was using object references when i should have been using IDs | 00:17 |
| pyrak | and for some reason it's taken me more than 2 hours to apply a fix | 00:18 |
| pyrak | but it should be back up by mid-day tomorrow | 00:18 |
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| johndoigiii | mecredis: hey man, saw that you pinged me earlier, was it anything dire? | 01:25 |
| mecredis | no not at all | 01:25 |
| mecredis | just checking in | 01:25 |
| johndoigiii | ohh okay cool | 01:26 |
| mecredis | lots of monday triage after the open video conf | 01:26 |
| mecredis | wanted to see what was on your plate | 01:26 |
| johndoigiii | ahh thats what mondays are good for | 01:26 |
| mecredis | yep | 01:26 |
| johndoigiii | uhm, I've actually just started working on the actual donation pieces of the app | 01:27 |
| johndoigiii | so last week I wrapped up most of the work on the organization and free accounts, and am now waiting on a code-review of sorts from nathan | 01:27 |
| johndoigiii | https://staging.creativecommons.net is actually running the new stuff, so click "Join" then "Donate Later" then follow the steps and you should be able to create a free acount | 01:28 |
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| * mecredis excitedly clicks | 01:29 | |
| johndoigiii | make you sure you change the url in the email to "staging" | 01:30 |
| mecredis | yep | 01:31 |
| mecredis | just did that | 01:31 |
| mecredis | great | 01:31 |
| mecredis | ideally | 01:31 |
| mecredis | we could cut down a step here or there | 01:31 |
| mecredis | maybe show the profile first | 01:32 |
| mecredis | and add [edit] stuff | 01:32 |
| mecredis | so people aren't presented with just another form | 01:32 |
| mecredis | just a thought, don't implement it yet | 01:32 |
| johndoigiii | yeah, ideally that would be much better, I did it this way because it would behave closer to how we currently handle the donating users | 01:34 |
| johndoigiii | and would require less code to start off with | 01:34 |
| mecredis | got it | 01:35 |
| johndoigiii | but we could certainly have all of the information on a single page | 01:35 |
| johndoigiii | definitely possible | 01:35 |
| mecredis | yeah, I mean I think its important to show people | 01:35 |
| mecredis | hey, you got an account now | 01:35 |
| mecredis | and let them fill out other details later | 01:35 |
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| johndoigiii | ohh okay, nm I misunderstood | 01:36 |
| johndoigiii | yeah well that would be very simple to do then | 01:36 |
| mecredis | the tricky part | 01:36 |
| johndoigiii | I thought you meant a single form with all of the information | 01:36 |
| mecredis | is getting them to choose a password | 01:36 |
| mecredis | hrm | 01:37 |
| mecredis | I like just first & last name | 01:37 |
| mecredis | and password | 01:37 |
| johndoigiii | okay cool | 01:37 |
| mecredis | err, e-mail | 01:37 |
| mecredis | and then they get the conf e-mail | 01:37 |
| johndoigiii | thats the easiest way | 01:37 |
| mecredis | but then | 01:37 |
| mecredis | when they click on the conf link | 01:37 |
| mecredis | i think they should be shown a profile | 01:38 |
| johndoigiii | ohh yeah | 01:38 |
| mecredis | with their name | 01:38 |
| mecredis | and thats it | 01:38 |
| mecredis | and then like [edit] sections | 01:38 |
| mecredis | we have to assume most people will be registering for donate or webcitation features | 01:38 |
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| johndoigiii | yes | 01:38 |
| mecredis | so that functionality should be available immediately | 01:38 |
| mecredis | instead of more general profile information | 01:39 |
| mecredis | maybe this is nitpicky | 01:39 |
| mecredis | but can we put the first name and last name | 01:39 |
| mecredis | on one line | 01:39 |
| mecredis | and maybe default the value of the text box | 01:40 |
| mecredis | with First Name, ewtc. | 01:40 |
| mecredis | these are less substantial changes | 01:40 |
| mecredis | the functionality is there | 01:40 |
| mecredis | so good work | 01:42 |
| mecredis | :) | 01:42 |
| johndoigiii | https://staging.creativecommons.net/cc/ | 01:42 |
| johndoigiii | nothing special there, but the app is ready to support distinctions between individuals and organizations now | 01:42 |
| mecredis | nice | 01:43 |
| mecredis | we should add it in the "active" section | 01:43 |
| mecredis | so its | 01:43 |
| mecredis | "Active Organization" | 01:43 |
| mecredis | though I'm curious | 01:43 |
| mecredis | if we need active anymore | 01:43 |
| mecredis | "Organizational Account" might suffice | 01:43 |
| johndoigiii | yeah I had that in there but removed it in suspicions of what the exact terminology should be | 01:44 |
| johndoigiii | yeah Active will seem to be less meaningful now | 01:44 |
| mecredis | right, we've essentially switched active to premium | 01:44 |
| johndoigiii | yes | 01:44 |
| mecredis | so it might be worth switching that on staging | 01:44 |
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| johndoigiii | okay, so "Premium Account" as well? | 01:45 |
| mecredis | yeah, so it should be "(Free / Premium / Organizational) Account" for now | 01:47 |
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| johndoigiii | cool | 01:50 |
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| johndoigiii | so fred, what happens if someone decides their fundraising goal is a bit ambitious and want to lower their goal? | 02:05 |
| mecredis | good question | 02:05 |
| mecredis | we don't want to put a ceiling on them | 02:05 |
| mecredis | thats too low | 02:05 |
| mecredis | so like $10k should maybe be the highest | 02:05 |
| mecredis | if its over | 02:05 |
| mecredis | we should refer them to melissa | 02:05 |
| mecredis | but say someone chooses 5k and wants to put it down to 3k? | 02:06 |
| mecredis | is it worth letting premium accounts do that | 02:06 |
| mecredis | and not free accounts? | 02:06 |
| mecredis | it seems so minor | 02:06 |
| mecredis | but we "trust" premium accounts more | 02:06 |
| mecredis | probably not | 02:07 |
| mecredis | I don't think we should let them | 02:07 |
| mecredis | turn it down | 02:07 |
| mecredis | but maybe up? | 02:07 |
| mecredis | hahah | 02:07 |
| johndoigiii | haha, yeah I guess what I am really wondering is whether or not we should keep a history of their goal changes | 02:08 |
| mecredis | I like the idea of only letting it go up | 02:09 |
| mecredis | butttttt | 02:09 |
| mecredis | to the point of recording the history of their hanges | 02:09 |
| mecredis | I think it might be a good idea | 02:10 |
| mecredis | to plan for this kind of functionality | 02:10 |
| johndoigiii | yeah | 02:10 |
| mecredis | how much more work is it? | 02:10 |
| johndoigiii | uhm, i'd say itd be an insignificant amount | 02:11 |
| mecredis | k | 02:11 |
| mecredis | but yeah, I'd say build it so that it can be tracked | 02:12 |
| mecredis | but let's not plan on exposing the functionality until we start testing it | 02:13 |
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| mecredis | sound good? | 02:14 |
| johndoigiii | yep, sure does | 02:15 |
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| mecredis | nkinkade: asheesh bot seems to have died this week | 15:23 |
| mecredis | I don't think I got a staff notes reminder | 15:23 |
| nkinkade | Which bot? | 15:23 |
| nkinkade | Oh, that one. | 15:23 |
| nkinkade | I haven't got it yet either. | 15:23 |
| mecredis | just a head sup | 15:24 |
| nkinkade | mecredis: Thanks. I'll look into that in just a minute. | 15:26 |
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| pyrak | do sessions never work if cookies are off on the client's side? | 17:32 |
| pyrak | for some reason i thought they did, as long as the client kept her browser open | 17:32 |
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| mecredis | nkinkade: I want to upload a .mp3 / .ogg of an interview I did at a CC Salon | 18:16 |
| mecredis | can I put it on mirrors on a7? | 18:16 |
| mecredis | oops, that doesn't appear to be on there | 18:17 |
| mecredis | well, let me know when / where I should upload it | 18:17 |
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| pyrak | mecredis, does cc have a blip channel? | 18:27 |
| mecredis | yeah, we do | 18:27 |
| mecredis | though do they take mp3 / ogg? | 18:27 |
| pyrak | mecredis, think so... | 18:28 |
| mecredis | neat, will try it | 18:28 |
| nkinkade | mecredis: Do you still need something with regard to that MP3? | 18:29 |
| mecredis | I think it might be good to host it on mirrors | 18:30 |
| mecredis | but I only have access to a7 | 18:30 |
| mecredis | which doesn't seem to have mirrs on it | 18:30 |
| nkinkade | a8 hosts mirrors. | 18:30 |
| mecredis | got it | 18:30 |
| mecredis | will my keys work there? | 18:30 |
| nkinkade | I can give you an account. | 18:30 |
| mecredis | thanks | 18:30 |
| nkinkade | What's your login on a7? | 18:30 |
| mecredis | fred | 18:30 |
| mecredis | if you could just copy it over | 18:30 |
| mecredis | that'd be easietst, I think | 18:31 |
| Bovinity | mecredis: archive.org ...? | 18:31 |
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| mecredis | sure | 18:32 |
| mecredis | I guess we don't really have a policy | 18:32 |
| mecredis | but archive.org seems like a good idea too | 18:32 |
| Bovinity | i thought archive was our loose unwritten policy | 18:32 |
| mecredis | got it | 18:32 |
| Bovinity | they autoconvert anyway, so it's most convenient | 18:32 |
| mecredis | yeah | 18:33 |
| Bovinity | we should have a page somewhere that collects all our archive uploads though. we've got a bunch of audio that isn't noted anywhere, i think | 18:33 |
| mecredis | http://teamspace.creativecommons.org/Web_Accounts#archive.org | 18:33 |
| mecredis | but yeah | 18:33 |
| nkinkade | mecredis: Try a8. | 18:35 |
| nkinkade | You're password is at ~/pw | 18:35 |
| mecredis | thanks | 18:35 |
| nkinkade | Change it then delete that file. | 18:35 |
| mecredis | done, thanks nkinkade | 18:36 |
| nkinkade | Cool. You're in the group users, which has write access to most of mirrors. | 18:37 |
| nkinkade | /var/www/mirrors.creativecommons.org/www | 18:37 |
| mecredis | thanks | 18:37 |
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| ``Cube | hello | 18:48 |
| ``Cube | (08:41:00 PM) Cube: hey guys | 18:48 |
| ``Cube | (08:41:04 PM) Cube: I need your law advice | 18:48 |
| ``Cube | (08:41:45 PM) Cube: right here: http://www.irishtimes.com/blogs/outsidein/2009/03/26/a-german-view-of-the-world/ | 18:48 |
| ``Cube | (08:41:52 PM) Cube: I took that picture when he was in town | 18:48 |
| ``Cube | (08:42:02 PM) Cube: he's a german politician | 18:48 |
| ``Cube | (08:42:27 PM) Cube: its under CC SA 3.0 | 18:48 |
| ``Cube | would it be reasonable for me to request some minor $$$ in return from them? | 18:49 |
| mecredis | SSH Error: Upload failed .. The user does not have sufficient permissions to perform the operation. | 18:52 |
| mecredis | nkinkade: ^ | 18:52 |
| mecredis | hrm may have to rename file | 18:53 |
| mecredis | nope | 18:53 |
| nkinkade | mecredis: I'm updating perms now. | 18:57 |
| nkinkade | ``Cube: Why would you get money for them? | 18:57 |
| nkinkade | mecredis: Try again. | 18:58 |
| mecredis | looks good | 18:58 |
| mecredis | thanks | 18:58 |
| ``Cube | nkinkade: cause they could have requested a photographer and paid lots of 100s of $$$, but they rather used my version FOR FREE | 18:59 |
| greg-g | ``Cube: since you released the photo under a CC:BY-SA license, requesting money would be disengenuous. | 18:59 |
| nkinkade | What greg-g said. | 18:59 |
| greg-g | ``Cube: you released it so it could be used for free, using BY-SA. | 18:59 |
| greg-g | HOWEVER, you should request they give you proper attribution (which I don't see that they have) | 18:59 |
| nkinkade | Did you or did you not *really* want to share your work? | 18:59 |
| ``Cube | greg-g: thanks. what are they missing? | 19:00 |
| greg-g | ``Cube: oh, I actually missed the "Photograph: ..." part. | 19:01 |
| greg-g | ``Cube: they appear to be using your photo according to the terms of the license you applied to it, CC:BY-SA. | 19:02 |
| ``Cube | lol | 19:02 |
| ``Cube | k | 19:02 |
| ``Cube | greg-g: would it be ok though to ask for some 10$ or something just them being nice about it? | 19:03 |
| greg-g | ``Cube: You can ask, but you are not entitled to it. I would suggest being very nice in your email when you request it, also. | 19:03 |
| nkinkade | ``Cube: There's nothing in the license that would prevent you from *asking* for money, but it might be somewhat uncool. | 19:03 |
| ``Cube | kk guys | 19:07 |
| ``Cube | thanks a lot for your advice, I appreciate it | 19:07 |
| greg-g | ``Cube: no problem | 19:08 |
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| johndoigiii | http://images.google.com/images?q=cat&as_rights=cc_publicdomain , when did they add this? never saw/heard about it | 19:44 |
| pyrak | johndoigiii, ohsnap | 19:45 |
| mecredis | yeah | 19:45 |
| mecredis | its undocumented | 19:45 |
| mecredis | they're announcing soon | 19:45 |
| johndoigiii | oh okay | 19:45 |
| johndoigiii | looks like a lot of blogs got wind of it now that I look around | 19:45 |
| mecredis | yep | 19:46 |
| johndoigiii | well cool, hopefully they don't bury it deep in their UI | 19:47 |
| mecredis | yeah .. we'll see | 19:47 |
| pyrak | mecredis, was i right about blip? | 19:56 |
| mecredis | ah didn't try | 19:58 |
| mecredis | went for archive | 19:58 |
| paulproteus | nkinkade, Sorry you have to fix my scripts! I'm curious what went wrong. | 20:10 |
| nkinkade | paulproteus: This seemed to fix it: http://code.creativecommons.org/viewsvn/pywikipedia/trunk/staff.py?r1=11865&r2=12830 | 20:11 |
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| nkinkade | The recent overhaul to the /about/people page was causing it fail in the list_all_staff() function. | 20:12 |
| nkinkade | paulproteus: By the way, I'm here in ATL for another week. What's your schedule looking like till the 30th? | 20:13 |
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| balleyne | what's the difference between a retired and deprecated CC license? (johndoigiii, or anyone who knows?) | 20:40 |
| balleyne | both the sampling and DevNations licenses are listed as deprecated, but only the DevNations license contains a notice that it's been retired | 20:41 |
| johndoigiii | yes, have you visited this page? | 20:41 |
| johndoigiii | http://creativecommons.org/retiredlicenses | 20:41 |
| balleyne | yeah, that's what I'm looking at | 20:42 |
| balleyne | I guess the more important question: should I not offer Sampling licenses as an option then? | 20:43 |
| johndoigiii | no, I would focus on the 6 core licenses, PD, and CC0 | 20:44 |
| balleyne | ok | 20:44 |
| balleyne | that makes sense -- I was confused because the Sampling Licenses are still available through the API, and they don't seem to contain the same retired notice as the DevNations | 20:45 |
| johndoigiii | sweet, so how's the module coming along? | 20:45 |
| balleyne | as for CC0, doesn't seem like that's available through the API either? | 20:45 |
| johndoigiii | no it isn't | 20:46 |
| balleyne | ok | 20:46 |
| johndoigiii | I think it is exposed in the PartnerInterface though | 20:46 |
| balleyne | module is coming along well! been making some big changes lately, and I think I'm on track for a 1.0 release, hopefully next week | 20:47 |
| balleyne | I'll probably leave it as a beta or release candidate on drupal.org for a bit though | 20:48 |
| johndoigiii | This could be an easy alternative to having the hard code support for CC0 http://creativecommons.org/license/zero/partner?lang=en&partner={partner}&exit_url={exit_url}&license_code=publicdomain&stylesheet={stylesheet} | 20:48 |
| johndoigiii | balleyne: awesome! | 20:48 |
| balleyne | cool, thanks -- just looking at the partner interface now, that makes sense | 20:49 |
| balleyne | :) | 20:49 |
| johndoigiii | it won't feel as native as hooking directly into drupal admin interface but it'd be a quick and easy add-in | 20:51 |
| balleyne | ok, cool | 20:51 |
| balleyne | I've got a few phase II ideas too, but I'll have to figure out which are actually feasible given the time limits | 20:51 |
| johndoigiii | cool, feel free to shoot me any questions | 20:55 |
| balleyne | johndoigiii, I could use a little clarification now on one thing | 21:01 |
| johndoigiii | sure | 21:01 |
| balleyne | according to creativecommons.org/publicdomain, seems like... CC0 is recommended if you're the rights hold and want to release your work into the PD, whereas the PD Certification is more about asserting that something *already is* in the PD -- is that correct? | 21:02 |
| balleyne | holder* | 21:03 |
| johndoigiii | yes, CC0 is intended for works not already in PD | 21:05 |
| balleyne | ok, thanks :) | 21:05 |
| johndoigiii | PD is more about "certifying" that a work is in the public domain | 21:06 |
| johndoigiii | CC0 is about dedicating works to the public domain (e.g. 'releasing') | 21:07 |
| balleyne | right, makes sense | 21:07 |
| johndoigiii | cool | 21:07 |
| nkinkade | mecredis: Thanks for working something out with the FIT people. | 21:30 |
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| mecredis | nkinkade: no prblemo thats my job | 21:37 |
| mecredis | :) | 21:37 |
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| johndoigiii1 | pyrak: if you bring your laptop in here I can help | 22:26 |
| pyrak | on my way | 22:26 |
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