nkinkade | 1 or 2 reasons you use it over GNOME/metacity? | 00:02 |
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nkinkade | Speed? | 00:02 |
paulproteus | Automatic window layout, and the ability to place windows on more than one virtual desktop. | 00:04 |
nkinkade | Do you mean some virtual desktops but not all? | 00:04 |
paulproteus | Yup. | 00:04 |
nkinkade | I can place a window on all desktops with GNOME. | 00:04 |
paulproteus | Virtual desktops become like SQL views. | 00:04 |
paulproteus | If you want to think of it that way. | 00:04 |
nkinkade | Is is lighter and faster too? Anything you miss? | 00:05 |
paulproteus | If you don't, like I don't, that's fine too. (-; | 00:05 |
paulproteus | It supports the panel fine, so that's no problem. | 00:05 |
paulproteus | I run a gnome-panel on my laptop, autohidden to the bottom, and get all the usual array of applets. | 00:05 |
paulproteus | On my desktop I don't bother; the main reason I use the panel is the time zones switcher in the date/time applet, and network manager. | 00:05 |
nkinkade | I'm looking for something slightly lighter for this eee 1000HE netbook. | 00:05 |
paulproteus | It's one of the minimalist, tiling window managers. | 00:05 |
paulproteus | Be warned that if you go down this path, you may learn more than you wanted to about window management philosophy. | 00:06 |
paulproteus | But if you just use awesome, you don't have to learn that. | 00:06 |
nkinkade | The machine has 2G of memory and a 1.66GH processor, but for some reason it gets a little sluggish when running the same thing as on this Dell laptop. | 00:06 |
paulproteus | Disk? | 00:06 |
paulproteus | Also the CPU isn't as fast per cycle probably. | 00:06 |
paulproteus | Atom vs. Core 2 Duo, right? | 00:06 |
nkinkade | Maybe. I switching between virtual desktops got slow. | 00:06 |
nkinkade | Yeah, it's an Atom. | 00:07 |
paulproteus | Oh, that's just as likely to be X acceleration-related. | 00:07 |
nkinkade | It would take a 3 or 4 seconds for the desktop to switch and then paint the screen. | 00:07 |
nkinkade | It's not a RAM issue, I can say that much. | 00:07 |
nkinkade | For several years I used Blackbox, and that was fine.. | 00:08 |
nkinkade | But I do like some of the niceties and automation of GNOME. | 00:08 |
paulproteus | Like what? Be specific, and maybe I can tell you how I get them (or don't) in awesome-land. | 00:09 |
nkinkade | I don't even know. :-) | 00:09 |
paulproteus | I do use it as the window manager in gnome. | 00:09 |
nkinkade | I just know that GNOME has been slight easier than Blackbox ever was. | 00:09 |
paulproteus | So e.g. volume keys work (handle by gnome-whatever-daemon). | 00:09 |
nkinkade | Ah, so you still use GNOME, but with awesome instead of metacity. | 00:10 |
paulproteus | Right on. | 00:10 |
nkinkade | About the X acceleration thing, any hints? Could it be a config issue? | 00:10 |
nkinkade | Or is it just probably the processor? | 00:10 |
paulproteus | Well, it's more likely to be the GPU or its config. | 00:10 |
paulproteus | Read the /var/log/Xorg.0.log and see if it says anything sad like, "wtf going into slo mo". | 00:10 |
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nkinkade | I'll check it out. Thanks. | 00:11 |
ankitg | haoyu_: ping me when you're around. Thanks. | 00:16 |
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paulproteus | nkinkade, Still around perchance? If I *write* a MW extension, do you feel that could go in the mw-ext/ namespace of git? | 02:16 |
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greg-g | Bovinity: who's that certain employee (I hope not me, cause next time, just say so :) ). | 04:14 |
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paulproteus | greg-g, I think his name rhymes with Jon. | 04:34 |
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greg-g | paulproteus: lol | 05:02 |
* Bovinity nods | 05:03 | |
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mattl | paulproteus: lo | 05:06 |
paulproteus | 'lo | 05:06 |
mattl | how's it going? you're not in #libre.fm ;) | 05:08 |
paulproteus | Are you sure? | 05:09 |
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Reloaded10 | hi | 09:24 |
Reloaded10 | I am trying to sort an array using QuickSort | 09:24 |
Reloaded10 | Here's my program: http://rafb.net/p/marbsG28.html | 09:24 |
Reloaded10 | But for some reason, it doens't work and I'm not sure why. | 09:24 |
paulproteus | Reloaded10, You want ##c. | 09:25 |
Reloaded10 | Oh oops | 09:25 |
Reloaded10 | sorry | 09:25 |
paulproteus | No problem. (-: | 09:25 |
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paulproteus | Morning, all. | 15:14 |
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paulproteus | nathany, have a sec to think about how to organize wiki.creativecommons.org/translating_with_Pootle ? | 16:30 |
paulproteus | (esp w/r/t screencasts) | 16:30 |
nathany | paulproteus: one second | 16:30 |
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ankitg | haoyu_: you there? | 17:44 |
haoyu_ | hi ankitg | 17:44 |
ankitg | awesome ... | 17:45 |
ankitg | haoyu_: the views.py seems to break-down on "deed-music" ... | 17:45 |
paulproteus | I have some lousy code for that somewhere. | 17:46 |
paulproteus | Let me dig it up. | 17:46 |
haoyu_ | ah? I think it just print an warning and then ignore it | 17:46 |
paulproteus | BTW it's really great that you two are around chatting about this. | 17:46 |
haoyu_ | thanks paulproteus :) | 17:47 |
haoyu_ | ankitg, how it break-down? | 17:48 |
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ankitg | I found a way to make it work with google maps ... (pulling out the data for jurisdiction outlines later tonight / tomorrow) ... they can be embedded in the wiki I hope? Then we can have jurisdiction level maps as well ... | 17:48 |
ankitg | haoyu_: let me re-create the error and pass it to you ... | 17:49 |
haoyu_ | jurisdiction level maps? what should be shown on that map? | 17:50 |
haoyu_ | ankitg, it show a warning because deed-music will be ignored, would not be an error. | 17:51 |
ankitg | haoyu_: I talked to Giorgos and he said it would be nice to have jurisdiction level maps as well *if we can* ... with DIY Maps we sort of couldn't so I didn't probe ... now that we can, I'll check with him what he wants on them ... =) | 17:52 |
haoyu_ | btw, ankitg, have you get git works on the repo? | 17:52 |
haoyu_ | paulproteus, is the git repo and svn repo synced? | 17:52 |
ankitg | haoyu_: yep it's a warning .. the error I get is : raise TemplateNotFound(template) TemplateNotFound: worldmap.xml | 17:53 |
paulproteus | Which git repo and which svn repo? | 17:53 |
paulproteus | Some are; most aren't. | 17:53 |
ankitg | paulproteus: I can't commit stuff to the bot via SVN ... | 17:53 |
paulproteus | ankitg, Do you still have your old SSH key? | 17:54 |
paulproteus | Let me see if it's in the repo. | 17:54 |
haoyu_ | papyromancer, the repo at code.creativecommons.org I mean | 17:54 |
haoyu_ | oh sorry papyromancer | 17:54 |
haoyu_ | it's for paulproteus :p | 17:54 |
haoyu_ | ankitg, can you do checkout and see the same files via git? if so, just use git. | 17:55 |
paulproteus | haoyu_, I don't have any idea which git repo and which svn repo are sync'd. | 17:55 |
paulproteus | Almost definitely they're not. | 17:55 |
haoyu_ | for the TemplateNotFound error, you may do svn up | 17:55 |
paulproteus | ankitg, Does this work? | 17:56 |
paulproteus | svn co svn+ssh://code.creativecommons.org/svnroot/stats/ | 17:56 |
paulproteus | svn co svn+ssh://svn@code.creativecommons.org/svnroot/stats/ # rather | 17:56 |
paulproteus | If so, the problem is that you started with an HTTP-based checkout, not a svn+ssh-based checkout. | 17:56 |
ankitg | paulproteus: let me try that ... | 17:57 |
haoyu_ | paulproteus, have ankitg ever have worked with the svn repo? I see his code in the svn repo, but he said he was using git. | 17:57 |
paulproteus | An SSH key for him is in the svn authorized_hosts. | 17:58 |
ankitg | paulproteus: I can co stats using SSH+SVN ... | 17:58 |
paulproteus | ankitg, Great, so that means you will also be able to commit from the svn+ssh based checkout. | 17:58 |
ankitg | paulproteus: great ... let me cancel that and grab just the bot dir this way ... i don't need the other data at the moment ... | 17:59 |
* paulproteus nods | 17:59 | |
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ankitg | haoyu_: awesome got it fixed in the latest revision ... paulproteus: did you find the deed-music code (we can just ignore it) but if you have something handy we could just plug in that would be great. | 18:06 |
haoyu_ | what should be done for deed-music? | 18:08 |
ankitg | haoyu_: I guess we could silence the warning by asking the code to ignore it ... we definitely don't need it in the map. | 18:09 |
haoyu_ | anyway giorgos told me just ignore it. | 18:10 |
paulproteus | I don't really, I think. | 18:10 |
ankitg | it's not a big deal, just don't want someone to be greeted with a warning everytime they run the code. | 18:10 |
ankitg | paulproteus: no probs. thanks. | 18:10 |
haoyu_ | but I think put a warning here is not bad, otherwise oneday you may found something missing and hardly find out way :p | 18:12 |
nkinkade | paulproteus: I forgot, did you resolve the commit hook po2cc thing? | 18:18 |
paulproteus | nkinkade, Yeah, I'm pretty sure. | 18:19 |
nkinkade | Cool. Thanks. | 18:19 |
haoyu_ | nkinkade, could we have an account with rights higher than normal user - so we can change the sidebar of the wiki | 18:21 |
haoyu_ | nkinkade, I mean on the monitor.(cc).org side | 18:21 |
nkinkade | haoyu_: Of course. | 18:21 |
nkinkade | What's your login? haoyu? | 18:22 |
haoyu_ | nkinkade, it's bhy | 18:22 |
nkinkade | haoyu_: Done. | 18:23 |
haoyu_ | great, thanks nkinkade | 18:24 |
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nkinkade | paulproteus: Did you install roundup on a6? | 18:40 |
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paulproteus | nkinkade, Yup. | 18:42 |
nkinkade | Okay, just making sure it was needed. | 18:43 |
paulproteus | (-: | 18:43 |
nkinkade | I did notice issues.learn.CC.org somehow. | 18:43 |
nkinkade | Can't remember where I saw it. | 18:43 |
haoyu_ | nkinkade, when a wiki page with '&' in the title, all the chars after the '&' is stripped. Like this page: http://monitor.creativecommons.org/UK:_England_%26_Wales | 18:46 |
haoyu_ | I checked mediawiki manual, & is a legel char in title. and wikipedia site works well with '&' | 18:47 |
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haoyu_ | em.. and it works well with http://monitor.creativecommons.org/index.php?title=UK:_England_%26_Wales | 18:48 |
nkinkade | haoyu_: That makes sense to me. | 18:49 |
nkinkade | If it's not URL encoded then how could Apache/PHP know that it's not another query parameter? | 18:49 |
nkinkade | Oh, it was before. Sorry. | 18:50 |
nkinkade | Hmm. Let me look at that. | 18:50 |
ankitg | haoyu_: does the worldmap_total.xml template file have access to the world total number of licenses (ie. sum of all jurisdiction totals)? | 18:50 |
haoyu_ | nkinkade, em, but wikipedia also works with unencoded &: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/& | 18:51 |
ankitg | haoyu_: i.e instead of stats[id].total a stats.total (or something similar) which would be the total number of CC licensed content in the world ...? | 18:52 |
haoyu_ | ankitg, no. Do you need that? | 18:52 |
nkinkade | Could this have something to do with the wgPathInfo option we set? | 18:52 |
haoyu_ | maybe. so could yo turn it and see? | 18:53 |
ankitg | haoyu_: yes, I would need that to make the color-coding dynamic (and scalable) ... is it too much trouble to add? | 18:53 |
haoyu_ | no it is easy. | 18:53 |
ankitg | great. | 18:54 |
nathany | nkinkade: are you doing anything with roundup on code.cc.org? | 18:55 |
nathany | (or have you?) | 18:55 |
nkinkade | nathany: I installed a security update, and it got restarted. | 18:57 |
nkinkade | Is there a problem? | 18:57 |
paulproteus | Yeah, pagination seems to be broken. | 18:58 |
ankitg | haoyu_: can I also check with you if the naming convention of the wiki pages is consistent with {{ names[id] }} in the template? | 18:58 |
nathany | nkinkade: yes | 18:59 |
haoyu_ | ankitg, you mean juris names? | 18:59 |
paulproteus | I'm reading the Debian patch now... | 18:59 |
ankitg | yep are the wiki pages named the same as the juris names in the template? | 19:00 |
haoyu_ | yes the wiki page titles use the same name | 19:00 |
paulproteus | + * This version attempts to fix the CSV privilege escalation problem | 19:00 |
paulproteus | + that allows complete corruption and takeover of your tracker. | 19:00 |
paulproteus | Huh. | 19:00 |
haoyu_ | ankitg, I committed the 'world' parameter | 19:00 |
ankitg | haoyu_: awesome, I'll just do an svn update | 19:01 |
haoyu_ | ankitg, you should able to use world.total now. | 19:01 |
nkinkade | * fix crashes on bogus pagination request (upstream issue: #2550530) | 19:02 |
nathany | not so much "fix"... ;) | 19:02 |
nkinkade | There was something related to pagination in the update ^^ | 19:02 |
nkinkade | :-) | 19:02 |
ankitg | haoyu_: thanks ... that's pretty much what I'll need for now ... I'll bug you later to help me with the legend, if need be. Otherwise I am good to go. =) | 19:02 |
paulproteus | http://issues.roundup-tracker.org/ | 19:02 |
haoyu_ | ankitg, btw, I commented out the test_map() in the __main__ of views.py, just enable it when you need to test the rendered maps. | 19:03 |
ankitg | haoyu_: noted. Thanks a lot. | 19:04 |
haoyu_ | ankitg, I must go to sleep now... just drop me a mail if you have any issue with the code. | 19:04 |
haoyu_ | good night! :) | 19:05 |
ankitg | haoyu_: rest assured ... the code seems pretty simple to understand. thanks | 19:05 |
ankitg | good night | 19:05 |
ankitg | svn update svn+ssh://svn@code.creativecommons.org/svnroot/stats/wikibot/ | 19:05 |
ankitg | Skipped 'svn+ssh://svn@code.creativecommons.org/svnroot/stats/wikibot' | 19:05 |
ankitg | O_o | 19:05 |
haoyu_ | ankitg, just 'svn up' is okey | 19:06 |
haoyu_ | you won't need to repeat the URL since you already checkout it. | 19:07 |
ankitg | haoyu_: ... that tried to update via port 80 (http) ... hope that doesn't break my ability to commit ... paulproteus: will 'svn up' do? | 19:09 |
paulproteus | ankitg, You'll need to svn switch --relocate to the svn+ssh version. | 19:09 |
nkinkade | paulproteus: Should I be digging into the roundup thing or are you looking in to that? | 19:10 |
paulproteus | http://svnbook.red-bean.com/en/1.1/ch04s05.html | 19:10 |
ankitg | paulproteus: okie ... got it ... thanks | 19:10 |
paulproteus | Great. | 19:10 |
ankitg | haoyu_: good night | 19:10 |
paulproteus | nkinkade, I'll try one thing or two things... | 19:10 |
nkinkade | Thanks. | 19:11 |
paulproteus | Okay, reverting one of the Debian patches fixes the issue I think. | 19:12 |
paulproteus | I'll report a bug. | 19:12 |
nkinkade | nathany: Will it be safe for me to remove the uesearch and roundup stuff from a8? | 19:13 |
nkinkade | As in rm -rf | 19:13 |
nkinkade | and purge | 19:13 |
paulproteus | Deiban bug filed re: roundup, and fixed version deployed on a{6,7}. | 19:22 |
ankitg | haoyu_: still around? | 19:23 |
ankitg | apparently not ... | 19:24 |
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Bovinity | nathany: did a package come for melissa, today? | 19:54 |
nathany | Bovinity: UPS? | 19:54 |
Bovinity | probably | 19:54 |
nathany | let me look | 19:54 |
nathany | i don't see anything | 19:55 |
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PEdroArthur | Hi fellows... I got a doubt about what "no derivative work" which wasn't cleared by reading the FAQ. Would someone help? | 20:01 |
PEdroArthur | sorry, what "no derivative woks" means... | 20:01 |
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paulproteus | It's nice filing bugs in Debian. <http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=523516> | 20:16 |
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paulproteus | nathany, I have no idea what is causing the little SMW error boxes at http://opened.creativecommons.org/Events . Maybe you can take a look sometime and see if you do? | 20:51 |
paulproteus | The query works fine on the admittedly stale wiki.cc. | 20:51 |
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nathany | nkinkade: i'm going to convert webmaster from a group to a real user with an email distribution list | 21:36 |
nathany | so we can use it as the goog account for creating common analytics reports and maps keys | 21:36 |
nathany | (so it'll bounce for the next minute or so) | 21:36 |
nkinkade | nathany: That's fine. | 21:37 |
nkinkade | I don't know about the functionality you're talking about. | 21:37 |
nkinkade | You mean a real user with "aliases"? | 21:37 |
nkinkade | Or something like that? | 21:37 |
nkinkade | Or nicknames, as I think Google calls them. | 21:37 |
nathany | nkinkade: i meant using the SMTP delivery filters | 21:46 |
nathany | (like asheesh uses) | 21:46 |
nathany | unfortunately you can't use them like i was planning | 21:46 |
nathany | so webmaster is a real account and in its gmail settings I set all mail to forward to webmaster-group@cc.org (which is the new name of the old group) | 21:46 |
nathany | this may have been more flailing that absolutely necessary... | 21:47 |
nathany | nkinkade: you should have two webmaster messages in your inbox -- one from my yergler.net account, and a reply-to-all | 21:47 |
nkinkade | nathany: Why wouldn't it work as a regular group? | 21:47 |
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nathany | nkinkade: because we wanted a "real" account we could use for logging into analytics, etc | 21:48 |
nathany | in retrospect maybe choosing a different common name would have been better | 21:48 |
nkinkade | Oh, Google refuses to recognize groups as accounts that can be used to subscribe to things? | 21:48 |
nathany | well it refuses to let them be used as credentials for services | 21:48 |
nathany | (like analytics, maps keys, etc) | 21:48 |
nkinkade | Something seems half-assed about this setup, but maybe it's the only way. | 21:48 |
nkinkade | real accounts, forwarding to groups, etc. | 21:49 |
nathany | well the no-assed setup would be to choose a different alias for our common, shared account | 21:49 |
nathany | webmaster seemed natural to me | 21:49 |
nkinkade | Why do we need webmaster@ to be the account that subscribes? | 21:49 |
nathany | we need *a* shared account to use to generate map keys and log into analytics so we can create some common reports for quarterly board reporting | 21:50 |
nathany | i thought that making webmaster@ a real account seemed to be the most natural | 21:50 |
nathany | maybe coming up with a different shared account-name would make more sense | 21:51 |
nathany | i'll switch it around, make reporting@cc be a real, shared account, put webmaster back the way it was | 21:51 |
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nkinkade | nathany: Any idea who creativecommonsworld@gmail.com is? | 21:55 |
nkinkade | Bovinity: ^^ | 21:56 |
nathany | nkinkade: ok, nothing to see here | 21:56 |
nathany | nkinkade: hrm, eric may have created that for youtube access? | 21:56 |
nathany | why do you ask? | 21:56 |
nkinkade | That address has Admin access to our Analytics account. | 21:56 |
nathany | ah | 21:57 |
nathany | yeah, it's in the webaccounts list on teamspace, so probably legit | 21:57 |
nathany | paulproteus: http://teamspace.creativecommons.org/Web_Accounts#Google (reporting@ is probably a good choice for your maps question) | 21:57 |
nkinkade | nathany: Can you delete the nkinkade@gmail.com address from the users list? | 21:57 |
nathany | nkinkade: which users list? | 21:58 |
nkinkade | The User manager for Analytics. | 21:58 |
nathany | sure | 21:58 |
nkinkade | I'd rather access it with my CC email address, but remember having some issue, so Alex added the Gmail account. | 21:59 |
nathany | got it | 21:59 |
nkinkade | WTF. I just stepped through some password recovery steps with Google for nkinkade@creativecommons.org and then it said: "To initiate the password reset process, please follow the instructions sent to your postmaster.co.uk email address." | 22:03 |
nkinkade | I didn't forget my password, but was testing something. That's screwed. | 22:04 |
nkinkade | I think used to have a postmaster.co.uk address eons ago, but certainly not associated with CC Google Apps. | 22:04 |
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nathany | weird | 22:05 |
nkinkade | nathany: Are you able to use your CC Apps account to access Analyticsf? | 22:07 |
nathany | nkinkade: yup | 22:07 |
nkinkade | Is there any trick to it? | 22:07 |
nkinkade | Do you just enter your email address and password? | 22:07 |
nathany | but it seems semi-disjoint from my real CC Apps account, like maybe it's a google account with the same email address instead of a CC Google account | 22:07 |
nathany | like it won't let me be logged into non goog apps properties as both nathan@cc and nathanyergler@gmail | 22:08 |
nkinkade | I was able to get it to work like that ... to add my CC address to my regular Gmail account, then login with nkinkade@CC.org but with my password for my regular gmail acct. | 22:08 |
nkinkade | Is that what you're doing? | 22:08 |
nkinkade | CC address + personal Gmail password? | 22:09 |
nathany | it's not clear if that's what i'm doing or not :( | 22:09 |
nathany | it's my cc address, that's all i know | 22:09 |
nkinkade | Now I can't access the CC Analytics at all. | 22:10 |
nkinkade | But I can log into Analytics with nkinkade@CC.org with my personal password. | 22:11 |
nkinkade | Just no access to the CC stuff. | 22:11 |
paulproteus | nathany, nkinkade - the ccLearners might use svn for binary blob document management, like my mom does. | 22:13 |
* paulproteus is waiting for nathany to explode with laughter | 22:13 | |
paulproteus | They seemed happy about what it offered them over tracking attachments in email and Roundup. | 22:13 |
paulproteus | I lean toward this being a good idea, but I'm curious if you have comments. | 22:13 |
nathany | uh | 22:14 |
nathany | i have zero (kelvin) desire to help windows users with key management | 22:14 |
nathany | (like, ever) | 22:14 |
paulproteus | Right, fair enough. | 22:14 |
nathany | is there a tortoise like view for mac os x? | 22:14 |
paulproteus | I don't know, I'm shopping around for one, but my research leans toward No. | 22:15 |
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paulproteus | At least, not for free. | 22:15 |
nathany | so | 22:15 |
nathany | how do they plan to manage things? | 22:15 |
nathany | cmdline? | 22:15 |
paulproteus | There are some less exciting GUIs that are for free. | 22:16 |
paulproteus | I think having the OS X users have the less exciting GUIs is fine with me. (-; | 22:16 |
nathany | thoughts: | 22:16 |
nathany | 1) I'm not thrilled about spending time supporting this | 22:16 |
paulproteus | 1) Right, I want to minimize that too. | 22:16 |
nathany | 2) i want it sandboxed from our real work | 22:17 |
paulproteus | Naturally. | 22:17 |
nathany | i'm morbidly curious how this came up | 22:17 |
paulproteus | My saying, "Uh, sure you *could* use attachments in Roundup...." | 22:18 |
paulproteus | "But we tech elitists have a better way." | 22:18 |
nathany | oh, they were thinking of that? | 22:18 |
nathany | jesus normal people are retarded | 22:18 |
paulproteus | Speaking of Jesus, http://unreasonablefaith.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/thanks-for-dying-jesus-candy.jpg | 22:19 |
nathany | that's pretty awesome | 22:19 |
johndoigiii | I dont mind an ugly gui | 22:22 |
johndoigiii | there's always Versions, http://versionsapp.com/ | 22:22 |
johndoigiii | not free of course | 22:23 |
Bovinity | there's also svnX - http://www.lachoseinteractive.net/en/community/subversion/svnx/features/ | 22:25 |
Bovinity | free, but kinda clunky | 22:25 |
nkinkade | Bovinity: nathany: Sorry. Could one of you add my nkinkade@gmail.com account back to the user list for CC Analytics. | 22:28 |
nkinkade | Seems it's the only way. | 22:28 |
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