Friday, 2009-04-10

nkinkade1 or 2 reasons you use it over GNOME/metacity?00:02
nkinkadeSpeed?00:02
paulproteusAutomatic window layout, and the ability to place windows on more than one virtual desktop.00:04
nkinkadeDo you mean some virtual desktops but not all?00:04
paulproteusYup.00:04
nkinkadeI can place a window on all desktops with GNOME.00:04
paulproteusVirtual desktops become like SQL views.00:04
paulproteusIf you want to think of it that way.00:04
nkinkadeIs is lighter and faster too?  Anything you miss?00:05
paulproteusIf you don't, like I don't, that's fine too. (-;00:05
paulproteusIt supports the panel fine, so that's no problem.00:05
paulproteusI run a gnome-panel on my laptop, autohidden to the  bottom, and get all the usual array of applets.00:05
paulproteusOn my desktop I don't bother; the main reason I use the panel is the time zones switcher in the date/time applet, and network manager.00:05
nkinkadeI'm looking for something slightly lighter for this eee 1000HE netbook.00:05
paulproteusIt's one of the minimalist, tiling window managers.00:05
paulproteusBe warned that if you go down this path, you may learn more than you wanted to about window management philosophy.00:06
paulproteusBut if you just use awesome, you don't have to learn that.00:06
nkinkadeThe machine has 2G of memory and a 1.66GH processor, but for some reason it gets a little sluggish when running the same thing as on this Dell laptop.00:06
paulproteusDisk?00:06
paulproteusAlso the CPU isn't as fast per cycle probably.00:06
paulproteusAtom vs. Core 2 Duo, right?00:06
nkinkadeMaybe.  I switching between virtual desktops got slow.00:06
nkinkadeYeah, it's an Atom.00:07
paulproteusOh, that's just as likely to be X acceleration-related.00:07
nkinkadeIt would take a 3 or 4 seconds  for the desktop to switch and then paint the screen.00:07
nkinkadeIt's not a RAM issue, I can say that much.00:07
nkinkadeFor several years I used Blackbox, and that was fine..00:08
nkinkadeBut I do like some of the niceties and automation of GNOME.00:08
paulproteusLike what? Be specific, and maybe I can tell you how I get them (or don't) in awesome-land.00:09
nkinkadeI don't even know. :-)00:09
paulproteusI do use it as the window manager in gnome.00:09
nkinkadeI just know that GNOME has been slight easier than Blackbox ever was.00:09
paulproteusSo e.g. volume keys work (handle by gnome-whatever-daemon).00:09
nkinkadeAh, so you still use GNOME, but with awesome instead of metacity.00:10
paulproteusRight on.00:10
nkinkadeAbout the X acceleration thing, any hints?  Could it be a config issue?00:10
nkinkadeOr is it just probably the processor?00:10
paulproteusWell, it's more likely to be the GPU or its config.00:10
paulproteusRead the /var/log/Xorg.0.log and see if it says anything sad like, "wtf going into slo mo".00:10
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nkinkadeI'll check it out.  Thanks.00:11
ankitghaoyu_: ping me when you're around. Thanks.00:16
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paulproteusnkinkade, Still around perchance? If I *write* a MW extension, do you feel that could go in the mw-ext/ namespace of git?02:16
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greg-gBovinity: who's that certain employee (I hope not me, cause next time, just say so :) ).04:14
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paulproteusgreg-g, I think his name rhymes with Jon.04:34
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greg-gpaulproteus: lol05:02
* Bovinity nods05:03
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mattlpaulproteus: lo05:06
paulproteus'lo05:06
mattlhow's it going? you're not in #libre.fm ;)05:08
paulproteusAre you sure?05:09
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Reloaded10hi09:24
Reloaded10I am trying to sort an array using QuickSort09:24
Reloaded10Here's my program: http://rafb.net/p/marbsG28.html09:24
Reloaded10But for some reason, it doens't work and I'm not sure why.09:24
paulproteusReloaded10, You want ##c.09:25
Reloaded10Oh oops09:25
Reloaded10sorry09:25
paulproteusNo problem. (-:09:25
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paulproteusMorning, all.15:14
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paulproteusnathany, have a sec to think about how to organize wiki.creativecommons.org/translating_with_Pootle ?16:30
paulproteus(esp w/r/t screencasts)16:30
nathanypaulproteus: one second16:30
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ankitghaoyu_: you there?17:44
haoyu_hi ankitg17:44
ankitgawesome ...17:45
ankitghaoyu_: the views.py seems to break-down on "deed-music" ...17:45
paulproteusI have some lousy code for that somewhere.17:46
paulproteusLet me dig it up.17:46
haoyu_ah? I think it just print an warning and then ignore it17:46
paulproteusBTW it's really great that you two are around chatting about this.17:46
haoyu_thanks paulproteus :)17:47
haoyu_ankitg, how it break-down?17:48
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ankitgI found a way to make it work with google maps ... (pulling out the data for jurisdiction outlines later tonight / tomorrow) ... they can be embedded in the wiki I hope? Then we can have jurisdiction level maps as well ...17:48
ankitghaoyu_: let me re-create the error and pass it to you ...17:49
haoyu_jurisdiction level maps? what should be shown on that map?17:50
haoyu_ankitg, it show a warning because deed-music will be ignored, would not be an error.17:51
ankitghaoyu_: I talked to Giorgos and he said it would be nice to have jurisdiction level maps as well *if we can* ... with DIY Maps we sort of couldn't so I didn't probe ...  now that we can, I'll check with him what he wants on them ... =)17:52
haoyu_btw, ankitg, have you get git works on the repo?17:52
haoyu_paulproteus, is the git repo and svn repo synced?17:52
ankitghaoyu_: yep it's a warning .. the error I get is :  raise TemplateNotFound(template)   TemplateNotFound: worldmap.xml17:53
paulproteusWhich git repo and which svn repo?17:53
paulproteusSome are; most aren't.17:53
ankitgpaulproteus: I can't commit stuff to the bot via SVN ...17:53
paulproteusankitg, Do you still have your old SSH key?17:54
paulproteusLet me see if it's in the repo.17:54
haoyu_papyromancer, the repo at code.creativecommons.org I mean17:54
haoyu_oh sorry papyromancer17:54
haoyu_it's for paulproteus :p17:54
haoyu_ankitg, can you do checkout and see the same files via git? if so, just use git.17:55
paulproteushaoyu_, I don't have any idea which git repo and which svn repo are sync'd.17:55
paulproteusAlmost definitely they're not.17:55
haoyu_for the TemplateNotFound error, you may do  svn up17:55
paulproteusankitg, Does this work?17:56
paulproteussvn co svn+ssh://code.creativecommons.org/svnroot/stats/17:56
paulproteussvn co svn+ssh://svn@code.creativecommons.org/svnroot/stats/ # rather17:56
paulproteusIf so, the problem is that you started with an HTTP-based checkout, not a svn+ssh-based checkout.17:56
ankitgpaulproteus: let me try that ...17:57
haoyu_paulproteus, have ankitg ever have worked with the svn repo? I see his code in the svn repo, but he said he was using git.17:57
paulproteusAn SSH key for him is in the svn authorized_hosts.17:58
ankitgpaulproteus: I can co stats using SSH+SVN ...17:58
paulproteusankitg, Great, so that means you will also be able to commit from the svn+ssh based checkout.17:58
ankitgpaulproteus: great ... let me cancel that and grab just the bot dir this way ... i don't need the other data at the moment ...17:59
* paulproteus nods17:59
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ankitghaoyu_: awesome got it fixed in the latest revision ... paulproteus: did you find the deed-music code (we can just ignore it) but if you have something handy we could just plug in that would be great.18:06
haoyu_what should be done for deed-music?18:08
ankitghaoyu_: I guess we could silence the warning by asking the code to ignore it ... we definitely don't need it in the map.18:09
haoyu_anyway giorgos told me just ignore it.18:10
paulproteusI don't really, I think.18:10
ankitgit's not a big deal, just don't want someone to be greeted with a warning everytime they run the code.18:10
ankitgpaulproteus: no probs. thanks.18:10
haoyu_but I think put a warning here is not bad, otherwise oneday you may found something missing and hardly find out way :p18:12
nkinkadepaulproteus: I forgot, did you resolve the commit hook po2cc thing?18:18
paulproteusnkinkade, Yeah, I'm pretty sure.18:19
nkinkadeCool.  Thanks.18:19
haoyu_nkinkade, could we have an account with rights higher than normal user - so we can change the sidebar of the wiki18:21
haoyu_nkinkade, I mean on the monitor.(cc).org side18:21
nkinkadehaoyu_: Of course.18:21
nkinkadeWhat's your login?  haoyu?18:22
haoyu_nkinkade, it's bhy18:22
nkinkadehaoyu_:  Done.18:23
haoyu_great, thanks nkinkade18:24
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nkinkadepaulproteus: Did you install roundup on a6?18:40
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paulproteusnkinkade, Yup.18:42
nkinkadeOkay, just making sure it was needed.18:43
paulproteus(-:18:43
nkinkadeI did notice issues.learn.CC.org somehow.18:43
nkinkadeCan't remember where I saw it.18:43
haoyu_nkinkade, when a wiki page with '&' in the title, all the chars after the '&' is stripped. Like this page: http://monitor.creativecommons.org/UK:_England_%26_Wales18:46
haoyu_I checked mediawiki manual, & is a legel char in title. and wikipedia site works well with '&'18:47
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haoyu_em.. and it works well with http://monitor.creativecommons.org/index.php?title=UK:_England_%26_Wales18:48
nkinkadehaoyu_: That makes sense to me.18:49
nkinkadeIf it's not URL encoded then how could Apache/PHP know that it's not another query parameter?18:49
nkinkadeOh, it was before.  Sorry.18:50
nkinkadeHmm.  Let me look at that.18:50
ankitghaoyu_: does the worldmap_total.xml template file have access to the world total number of licenses (ie. sum of all jurisdiction totals)?18:50
haoyu_nkinkade, em, but wikipedia also works with unencoded &: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/&18:51
ankitghaoyu_: i.e instead of stats[id].total a stats.total (or something similar) which would be the total number of CC licensed content in the world ...?18:52
haoyu_ankitg, no. Do you need that?18:52
nkinkadeCould this have something to do with the wgPathInfo option we set?18:52
haoyu_maybe. so could yo turn it and see?18:53
ankitghaoyu_: yes, I would need that to make the color-coding dynamic (and scalable) ... is it too much trouble to add?18:53
haoyu_no it is easy.18:53
ankitggreat.18:54
nathanynkinkade: are you doing anything with roundup on code.cc.org?18:55
nathany(or have you?)18:55
nkinkadenathany: I installed a security update, and it got restarted.18:57
nkinkadeIs there a problem?18:57
paulproteusYeah, pagination seems to be broken.18:58
ankitghaoyu_: can I also check with you if the naming convention of the wiki pages is consistent with {{ names[id] }} in the template?18:58
nathanynkinkade: yes18:59
haoyu_ankitg, you mean juris names?18:59
paulproteusI'm reading the Debian patch now...18:59
ankitgyep are the wiki pages named the same as the juris names in the template?19:00
haoyu_yes the wiki page titles use the same name19:00
paulproteus+  * This version attempts to fix the CSV privilege escalation problem19:00
paulproteus+    that allows complete corruption and takeover of your tracker.19:00
paulproteusHuh.19:00
haoyu_ankitg, I committed the 'world' parameter19:00
ankitghaoyu_: awesome, I'll just do an svn update19:01
haoyu_ankitg, you should able to use world.total now.19:01
nkinkade * fix crashes on bogus pagination request (upstream issue: #2550530)19:02
nathanynot so much "fix"... ;)19:02
nkinkadeThere was something related to pagination in the update ^^19:02
nkinkade:-)19:02
ankitghaoyu_: thanks ... that's pretty much what I'll need for now ... I'll bug you later to help me with the legend, if need be. Otherwise I am good to go. =)19:02
paulproteushttp://issues.roundup-tracker.org/19:02
haoyu_ankitg, btw, I commented out the test_map() in the __main__ of views.py, just enable it when you need to test the rendered maps.19:03
ankitghaoyu_: noted. Thanks a lot.19:04
haoyu_ankitg, I must go to sleep now... just drop me a mail if you have any issue with the code.19:04
haoyu_good night! :)19:05
ankitghaoyu_: rest assured ... the code seems pretty simple to understand. thanks19:05
ankitggood night19:05
ankitgsvn update svn+ssh://svn@code.creativecommons.org/svnroot/stats/wikibot/19:05
ankitgSkipped 'svn+ssh://svn@code.creativecommons.org/svnroot/stats/wikibot'19:05
ankitgO_o19:05
haoyu_ankitg, just 'svn up' is okey19:06
haoyu_you won't need to repeat the URL since you already checkout it.19:07
ankitghaoyu_: ... that tried to update via port 80 (http) ... hope that doesn't break my ability to commit ... paulproteus: will 'svn up' do?19:09
paulproteusankitg, You'll need to svn switch --relocate to the svn+ssh version.19:09
nkinkadepaulproteus: Should I be digging into the roundup thing or are you looking in to that?19:10
paulproteushttp://svnbook.red-bean.com/en/1.1/ch04s05.html19:10
ankitgpaulproteus: okie ... got it ... thanks19:10
paulproteusGreat.19:10
ankitghaoyu_: good night19:10
paulproteusnkinkade, I'll try one thing or two things...19:10
nkinkadeThanks.19:11
paulproteusOkay, reverting one of the Debian patches fixes the issue I think.19:12
paulproteusI'll report a bug.19:12
nkinkadenathany: Will it be safe for me to remove the uesearch and roundup stuff from a8?19:13
nkinkadeAs in rm -rf19:13
nkinkadeand purge19:13
paulproteusDeiban bug filed re: roundup, and fixed version deployed on a{6,7}.19:22
ankitghaoyu_: still around?19:23
ankitgapparently not ...19:24
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Bovinitynathany: did a package come for melissa, today?19:54
nathanyBovinity: UPS?19:54
Bovinityprobably19:54
nathanylet me look19:54
nathanyi don't see anything19:55
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PEdroArthurHi fellows... I got a doubt about what "no derivative work" which wasn't cleared by reading the FAQ. Would someone help?20:01
PEdroArthursorry, what "no derivative woks" means...20:01
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paulproteusIt's nice filing bugs in Debian. <http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=523516>20:16
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paulproteusnathany, I have no idea what is causing the little SMW error boxes at http://opened.creativecommons.org/Events . Maybe you can take a look sometime and see if you do?20:51
paulproteusThe query works fine on the admittedly stale wiki.cc.20:51
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nathanynkinkade: i'm going to convert webmaster from a group to a real user with an email distribution list21:36
nathanyso we can use it as the goog account for creating common analytics reports and maps keys21:36
nathany(so it'll bounce for the next minute or so)21:36
nkinkadenathany: That's fine.21:37
nkinkadeI don't know about the functionality you're talking about.21:37
nkinkadeYou mean a real user with "aliases"?21:37
nkinkadeOr something like that?21:37
nkinkadeOr nicknames, as I think Google calls them.21:37
nathanynkinkade: i meant using the SMTP delivery filters21:46
nathany(like asheesh uses)21:46
nathanyunfortunately you can't use them like i was planning21:46
nathanyso webmaster is a real account and in its gmail settings I set all mail to forward to webmaster-group@cc.org (which is the new name of the old group)21:46
nathanythis may have been more flailing that absolutely necessary...21:47
nathanynkinkade: you should have two webmaster messages in your inbox -- one from my yergler.net account, and a reply-to-all21:47
nkinkadenathany: Why wouldn't it work as a regular group?21:47
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nathanynkinkade: because we wanted a "real" account we could use for logging into analytics, etc21:48
nathanyin retrospect maybe choosing a different common name would have been better21:48
nkinkadeOh, Google refuses to recognize groups as accounts that can be used to subscribe to things?21:48
nathanywell it refuses to let them be used as credentials for services21:48
nathany(like analytics, maps keys, etc)21:48
nkinkadeSomething seems half-assed about this setup, but maybe it's the only way.21:48
nkinkadereal accounts, forwarding to groups, etc.21:49
nathanywell the no-assed setup would be to choose a different alias for our common, shared account21:49
nathanywebmaster seemed natural to me21:49
nkinkadeWhy do we need webmaster@ to be the account that subscribes?21:49
nathanywe need *a* shared account to use to generate map keys and log into analytics so we can create some common reports for quarterly board reporting21:50
nathanyi thought that making webmaster@ a real account seemed to be the most natural21:50
nathanymaybe coming up with a different shared account-name would make more sense21:51
nathanyi'll switch it around, make reporting@cc be a real, shared account, put webmaster back the way it was21:51
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nkinkadenathany: Any idea who  creativecommonsworld@gmail.com is?21:55
nkinkadeBovinity: ^^21:56
nathanynkinkade: ok, nothing to see here21:56
nathanynkinkade: hrm, eric may have created that for youtube access?21:56
nathanywhy do you ask?21:56
nkinkadeThat address has Admin access to our Analytics account.21:56
nathanyah21:57
nathanyyeah, it's in the webaccounts list on teamspace, so probably legit21:57
nathanypaulproteus: http://teamspace.creativecommons.org/Web_Accounts#Google (reporting@ is probably a good choice for your maps question)21:57
nkinkadenathany: Can you delete the nkinkade@gmail.com address from the users list?21:57
nathanynkinkade: which users list?21:58
nkinkadeThe User manager for Analytics.21:58
nathanysure21:58
nkinkadeI'd rather access it with my CC email address, but remember having some issue, so Alex added the Gmail account.21:59
nathanygot it21:59
nkinkadeWTF.  I just stepped through some password recovery steps with Google for nkinkade@creativecommons.org and then it said: "To initiate the password reset process, please follow the instructions sent to your postmaster.co.uk email address."22:03
nkinkadeI didn't forget my password, but was testing something.  That's screwed.22:04
nkinkadeI think used to have a postmaster.co.uk address eons ago, but certainly not associated with CC Google Apps.22:04
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nathanyweird22:05
nkinkadenathany: Are you able to use your CC Apps account to access Analyticsf?22:07
nathanynkinkade: yup22:07
nkinkadeIs there any trick to it?22:07
nkinkadeDo you just enter your email address and password?22:07
nathanybut it seems semi-disjoint from my real CC Apps account, like maybe it's a google account with the same email address instead of a CC Google account22:07
nathanylike it won't let me be logged into non goog apps properties as both nathan@cc and nathanyergler@gmail22:08
nkinkadeI was able to get it to work like that ... to add my CC address to my regular Gmail account, then login with nkinkade@CC.org but with my password for my regular gmail acct.22:08
nkinkadeIs that what you're doing?22:08
nkinkadeCC address + personal Gmail password?22:09
nathanyit's not clear if that's what i'm doing or not :(22:09
nathanyit's my cc address, that's all i know22:09
nkinkadeNow I can't access  the CC Analytics at all.22:10
nkinkadeBut I can log into Analytics with nkinkade@CC.org with my personal password.22:11
nkinkadeJust no access to the CC stuff.22:11
paulproteusnathany, nkinkade - the ccLearners might use svn for binary blob document management, like my mom does.22:13
* paulproteus is waiting for nathany to explode with laughter22:13
paulproteusThey seemed happy about what it offered them over tracking attachments in email and Roundup.22:13
paulproteusI lean toward this being a good idea, but I'm curious if you have comments.22:13
nathanyuh22:14
nathanyi have zero (kelvin) desire to help windows users with key management22:14
nathany(like, ever)22:14
paulproteusRight, fair enough.22:14
nathanyis there a tortoise like view for mac os x?22:14
paulproteusI don't know, I'm shopping around for one, but my research leans toward No.22:15
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paulproteusAt least, not for free.22:15
nathanyso22:15
nathanyhow do they plan to manage things?22:15
nathanycmdline?22:15
paulproteusThere are some less exciting GUIs that are for free.22:16
paulproteusI think having the OS X users have the less exciting GUIs is fine with me. (-;22:16
nathanythoughts:22:16
nathany1) I'm not thrilled about spending time supporting this22:16
paulproteus1) Right, I want to minimize that too.22:16
nathany2) i want it sandboxed from our real work22:17
paulproteusNaturally.22:17
nathanyi'm morbidly curious how this came up22:17
paulproteusMy saying, "Uh, sure you *could* use attachments in Roundup...."22:18
paulproteus"But we tech elitists have a better way."22:18
nathanyoh, they were thinking of that?22:18
nathanyjesus normal people are retarded22:18
paulproteusSpeaking of Jesus, http://unreasonablefaith.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/thanks-for-dying-jesus-candy.jpg22:19
nathanythat's pretty awesome22:19
johndoigiiiI dont mind an ugly gui22:22
johndoigiiithere's always Versions, http://versionsapp.com/22:22
johndoigiiinot free of course22:23
Bovinitythere's also svnX - http://www.lachoseinteractive.net/en/community/subversion/svnx/features/22:25
Bovinityfree, but kinda clunky22:25
nkinkadeBovinity: nathany: Sorry.  Could one of you add my nkinkade@gmail.com account back to the user list for CC Analytics.22:28
nkinkadeSeems it's the only way.22:28
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