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| isforinsects | lh pong? | 15:08 |
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| johndoigiii | g morning | 15:38 |
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| greg-g | mlinksva: ++ on the research you just asked Gavin to do :) | 15:58 |
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| mlinksva | greg-g and nathany something awful -- http://jcb.rupress.org/misc/terms.shtml | 16:02 |
| mlinksva | ah, nevermind, nathany corrected me | 16:04 |
| mlinksva | it isn't under cc by-nc-sa until after six months | 16:05 |
| greg-g | right, and before that it is CC:BY-NC-SAminusminus | 16:05 |
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| paulproteus | Morning, yole. | 16:21 |
| greg-g | nathany: about to publish the blog post announcing your talk at UM, any last minute changes I need to account for? | 16:23 |
| nathany | not that *i* know of :) | 16:23 |
| greg-g | heh, good point | 16:24 |
| nathany | johndoigiii: just saw your comment on issue94 | 16:30 |
| nathany | isn't there a way to specify the middleware you want to use during testing? (or a testing settings file) | 16:30 |
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| johndoigiii | nathany: yeah I bet you are right, looking into it now | 16:35 |
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| lh | nathany: ping | 16:37 |
| nathany | hi lh | 16:37 |
| lh | nathany: ideas list for CC needs major work/beefing up. can you get on that please? | 16:38 |
| lh | and hello nathany, how are you? | 16:38 |
| nathany | lh: yup, it definitely does... we'll get on it today | 16:38 |
| nathany | i'm well, thanks :) | 16:39 |
| nathany | thanks for the ping on that -- it slipped off my radar on friday | 16:39 |
| lh | nathany: no worries, please get on it ASAP. we have a review meeting in 70 minutes | 16:40 |
| nathany | will do | 16:41 |
| lh | nathany: thanks very much. we will likely get to CC in about 90 minutes if that helps | 16:41 |
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| paulproteus | nathany, For http://labs.creativecommons.org/demos/jswidget/tags/0.95/example_web_app/ - the SA help string, I think the closest string we have (from the chooser) is "Yes, as long as others share alike". | 16:49 |
| nathany | paulproteus: what about the text used in the info box for sharealike? | 16:49 |
| paulproteus | To have that make any sense, we would at least have to move the sa option to underneath the remix option. | 16:49 |
| paulproteus | I'll take a look for that now, nathany, tty in a minute then | 16:50 |
| nathany | it also doesn't really help explain what SA is | 16:50 |
| paulproteus | Oh, yeah, duh, I just didn't see that string somehow. | 16:50 |
| paulproteus | I'll use that; pardon the noise. | 16:50 |
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| nathany | paulproteus: any ideas for things it'd be good to have SoC students build? | 17:16 |
| * paulproteus ponders | 17:17 | |
| paulproteus | I took a look at your wiki page last night. | 17:17 |
| nathany | it's been updated slightly | 17:17 |
| paulproteus | I'll take a fresh look. Nothing else sprung out at me, though. | 17:17 |
| nathany | ok | 17:17 |
| paulproteus | I mean, we could try to have someone work on Ankit's metrics project again. | 17:18 |
| paulproteus | hdworak has said he's interested in GSoCing, and I explained to him we'll cut the cord early this year if people aren't doing well. | 17:18 |
| paulproteus | I still think we could benefit from some full-time metrics work by someone, though that could also be an intern. | 17:19 |
| nathany | paulproteus: thanks, i'll speak to mlinksva about it over voice | 17:19 |
| paulproteus | Sure. | 17:19 |
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| paulproteus | nathany, See you in the office around one - that okay? | 18:19 |
| nathany | sure | 18:19 |
| paulproteus | While I have you here - I fixed the LicenseChooser.js issue and tested that the other parts still work. (We ought to do some work on translation coverage, apparently, though.) | 18:20 |
| paulproteus | Do you think I should backport this to all the previous "tags" that can accept the patch? | 18:21 |
| paulproteus | I imagine that people test with one tag and just stick to it and never know there are updates. | 18:21 |
| paulproteus | I can release 0.96 with this fix, but I'm not sure how much good that does to existing users. | 18:21 |
| paulproteus | Feel free to say "discuss with voice". | 18:22 |
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| paulproteus | "svn: Two top-level reports with no target" | 18:26 |
| paulproteus | I have never gotten a more meaningless (to me) error message from svn. | 18:26 |
| nathany | nkinkade: did you follow up with diane re: legal wiki password? | 18:29 |
| nathany | paulproteus: backporting to tags feels a little yicky | 18:29 |
| nkinkade | nathany: Was there a problem? | 18:29 |
| nathany | she sent an email to webmaster saying she didn't know what the password was | 18:30 |
| paulproteus | nathany, Yeah, I agree sadly. | 18:30 |
| nkinkade | nathany: How long ago? | 18:30 |
| nathany | nkinkade: (a week ago) | 18:30 |
| nkinkade | Oh, then it must be resolved because it's not in my inbox anymore. :-) | 18:30 |
| nathany | ok | 18:30 |
| nkinkade | I seem to recall resolving it with her. | 18:30 |
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| nathany | ok, thanks, just didn't see any followup so wanted to double check before i re-raised it | 18:31 |
| nathany | thanks :) | 18:31 |
| nathany | paulproteus: let's just do metrics (in the fullness of time) so we know if people are actually using the old version :) | 18:31 |
| paulproteus | nathany, Hah, touché. | 18:31 |
| nathany | paulproteus: no, i don't speak french ;) | 18:32 |
| paulproteus | And LicenseChooser.js only speaks French for 3/4 of it if you try to see it translated. | 18:32 |
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| paulproteus | I brought up the Babel bug with the failure to parse message context if there were no comments on #python-babel. I got this response: | 19:05 |
| paulproteus | <asmodai> That's a peculiar bug btw. | 19:05 |
| paulproteus | Anyway, tty y'all around 1. | 19:05 |
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| nathany | paulproteus: failure to parse with no comments? i don't even recall that one | 20:00 |
| paulproteus | That was the msgctxt corruption bug. | 20:00 |
| paulproteus | Where it wouldn't create a new msgctxt in all the cases that it ought to. | 20:01 |
| nathany | i don't think i was even aware that was happening | 20:01 |
| paulproteus | So some message objects had msgctxts from previous messages in the PO file. | 20:01 |
| nathany | oh, rihgt | 20:01 |
| paulproteus | Well, anyway, I pinged upstream and it should get committed tomorrow or so. | 20:01 |
| nathany | i wouldn't have labeled it as being directly related to comments, but i can see that | 20:02 |
| paulproteus | "This is what happens when you try to parse without a formal grammar." | 20:02 |
| paulproteus | Babel just assumed all messages with msgctxt were prefixed by a # PO comment. | 20:02 |
| paulproteus | Regardless, you can stop thinking about it; it's fixed in our dev egg (and I'm looking into versioning) and going to be in upstream. | 20:03 |
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| paulproteus | nathany, I'm going to get lunch and then be in the office; see you in ca. 1h. | 20:28 |
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| johndoigiii | hey nathany, cool if I push to master on CCNetwork in ref to issue225? or should I hold off as though other changes are merged into prod? | 21:04 |
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| nathany | johndoigiii: i'm fine with that; at this point i'd just like to keep the openid/https stuff in it's own branch | 21:25 |
| johndoigiii | cool, no prob | 21:25 |
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| Renegade15 | good day | 21:29 |
| nathany | hi Renegade15 | 21:29 |
| Renegade15 | I was wondering about a certain usage case of share alike licenses, is this a good place to ask? | 21:29 |
| nathany | we'll help if we can :) | 21:30 |
| Renegade15 | basically, what I'm wondering is if transcoding a CC'd mp3 to ogg still counts as sharing alike | 21:30 |
| nathany | you mean if it counts as a derivative work? | 21:31 |
| nathany | Renegade15: if you have an MP3 under CC BY-SA and transcode it to OGG, my understanding is that it's still BY-SA | 21:33 |
| Renegade15 | in a certain way, yes. I'm mainly going from the wording - the direction is to share alike. what I'm wondering is if sharing the exact same, unchanged song in a different format, is that still sharing it alike, since the work is unchanged, or is it not, since I do not share it like the author provided it? | 21:33 |
| nathany | Renegade15: Share Alike refers to the license | 21:34 |
| nathany | if you make a derivative, it has be shared under the same (or compatible) license | 21:34 |
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| Renegade15 | well, technically, mp3 has license restrictions in itself >_> but that's a different topic | 21:35 |
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| nathany | and completely irrelevant since they're patent, not trademark | 21:35 |
| Renegade15 | :) | 21:36 |
| nathany | :) | 21:36 |
| Renegade15 | then, of course, what you asked comes into play - is transcoding creating a derivative work, or copying? | 21:36 |
| nathany | Renegade15: for this case it doesn't matter -- if it's just copying you're bound by the license, if it's a derivative you have to relicense the derivative under the same license :) | 21:37 |
| Renegade15 | it would matter in cases where derivative works are forbidden | 21:38 |
| nathany | iirc all licenses contain language that says transcoding isn't a derivative | 21:38 |
| Renegade15 | ah, that would be great | 21:39 |
| Renegade15 | thank you :) that was very helpful | 21:40 |
| Renegade15 | and cleared up some thing | 21:40 |
| Renegade15 | s | 21:40 |
| nathany | you're welcome | 21:40 |
| Renegade15 | have a nice day :) | 21:40 |
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| nkinkade | paulproteus: Are you using bind for anything on a6? | 22:40 |
| paulproteus | nkinkade, I don't think so, just ensure it's not its own primary nameserver for apps doing DNS resolution in /etc/resolv.conf. | 22:41 |
| nkinkade | paulproteus: It's not. | 22:42 |
| paulproteus | Cool. | 22:43 |
| nkinkade | paulproteus: I'm going to turn bind off in that case. | 22:43 |
| paulproteus | Cool. | 22:43 |
| nkinkade | The daemon.log is filled with dozens of MBs warnings like: | 22:44 |
| nkinkade | client 195.222.130.67#53991: query (cache) 'a8.creativecommons.org/AAAA/IN' denied | 22:44 |
| nkinkade | I'm not even sure why bind is running on a6, unless it used to be a NS for CC, and got moved, but not deactivated. | 22:44 |
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| nkinkade | paulproteus: Was there a tech meeting today? | 23:28 |
| nkinkade | I got the reminder, but didn't hear anything else about it. | 23:28 |
| paulproteus | No, aren't those on Wednesdays? | 23:28 |
| * paulproteus checks his calendar | 23:29 | |
| paulproteus | GCal indicates to me they're on Wednesdays. | 23:29 |
| nkinkade | I thought so, but I got a reminder for a meeting today for some reason. | 23:29 |
| paulproteus | Dev/Tech Meeting | 23:29 |
| paulproteus | Seems to be what you were scheduled for. (With Melissa et al.) | 23:29 |
| nkinkade | paulproteus: Sorry about that. You're right. | 23:30 |
| * paulproteus nods, no big deal. | 23:30 | |
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