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| tannewt | rejon, do you have any examples of cchost hosting videos? | 06:43 |
| rejon | opensourcevideos.org | 06:43 |
| rejon | one sec | 06:43 |
| rejon | http://opensourcecinema.org/ | 06:44 |
| tannewt | rejon, no pretty thumbnails? | 06:44 |
| rejon | not yet on video | 06:45 |
| rejon | not hard, just time | 06:45 |
| rejon | part of the thumbnailing code that needs to be worked on | 06:45 |
| rejon | i want to have audio thumbnails too | 06:45 |
| tannewt | hmm, what language is it written in? | 06:45 |
| rejon | http://freesound.iua.upf.edu/samplesViewSingle.php?id=16475 | 06:45 |
| rejon | php/mysql | 06:45 |
| rejon | pretty basic | 06:45 |
| rejon | check out the cool audio thumbnail | 06:45 |
| rejon | both visual and aural | 06:45 |
| tannewt | right | 06:46 |
| tannewt | rejon, is there any way to have children of a video? | 06:47 |
| rejon | like constitute parts that make it up? | 06:47 |
| rejon | the simplest way to do this is to upload each individual part | 06:48 |
| rejon | and then link to the final production as samples | 06:48 |
| rejon | otherwise you can upload an archive and all those are included in the item | 06:48 |
| rejon | i like the idea of the separate entries though | 06:48 |
| rejon | a lofi hack | 06:48 |
| rejon | IMO | 06:48 |
| rejon | paulproteus: btw, I think ibiblio is the best hosting for FC.o now | 06:49 |
| tannewt | well the idea is utilizing annodexed files which store information about clips in the longer video stream | 06:49 |
| rejon | I'm not too familiar with that process | 06:49 |
| rejon | where is the annodexed data stored? | 06:49 |
| rejon | just more metadata? | 06:50 |
| paulproteus | mlinksva's negative recommendation of them worries me. | 06:50 |
| rejon | man, they generate a lot of email | 06:50 |
| paulproteus | For now it's bedtime for me, anyway. | 06:50 |
| rejon | ok, night | 06:50 |
| tannewt | well the point is that there are clips that need to link to the parent | 06:51 |
| rejon | in annodexing? | 06:51 |
| tannewt | I can write an importer so you don't need to worry how it works | 06:51 |
| rejon | cool | 06:51 |
| rejon | that is good | 06:51 |
| rejon | I'm still unclear on this | 06:51 |
| rejon | maybe my brain is slowing down | 06:52 |
| tannewt | right, say I import an annodex file, it creates a node for the full video, then child nodes for each defined clip | 06:52 |
| rejon | what video format and where/what is annodex | 06:52 |
| rejon | ok, yeah, that would be cool | 06:52 |
| tannewt | annodex is an addition to ogg | 06:52 |
| rejon | does the annodex point to URIs of the media? | 06:52 |
| tannewt | yeah | 06:52 |
| tannewt | there is a apache module to server particular times already | 06:53 |
| tannewt | s/server/serve | 06:53 |
| rejon | cool | 06:53 |
| rejon | yeah, it would be great to have an importer for this | 06:54 |
| tannewt | I'm working on a program to facilitate the annodexing(logging) of video | 06:54 |
| rejon | very cool | 06:54 |
| tannewt | its called keystroke | 06:54 |
| rejon | very cool | 06:54 |
| rejon | URL? | 06:54 |
| tannewt | just a sec, I have two demo videos | 06:56 |
| tannewt | http://openroadtrip.net/media/final/screencast_transcription.ogg | 06:59 |
| tannewt | http://svn.annodex.net/keystroke/trunk/ | 06:59 |
| tannewt | only found one video | 07:00 |
| rejon | getting | 07:02 |
| tannewt | also, can it support low and high quality versions of video ie multiple formats? | 07:02 |
| rejon | sure | 07:02 |
| rejon | like I said, uploads can be linked | 07:03 |
| tannewt | brb | 07:03 |
| tannewt | ok | 07:03 |
| rejon | cool...so one can use this for transcripts, time-based metadata, etc | 07:04 |
| rejon | man, that dotsub site is junk IMO | 07:04 |
| rejon | need an open dotsub | 07:04 |
| rejon | for real translation | 07:04 |
| tannewt | dotsub? | 07:07 |
| rejon | sucks http://dotsub.com/ | 07:09 |
| tannewt | ah I see | 07:09 |
| tannewt | thats one thing I'm sure, about how to handle translating | 07:09 |
| tannewt | s/sure/unsure | 07:10 |
| rejon | yeah, lets hook it up with cchost | 07:10 |
| rejon | that would be wicked | 07:10 |
| rejon | would like to see a free version of this | 07:10 |
| tannewt | hook keystroke up with it? | 07:10 |
| rejon | the output | 07:12 |
| rejon | and figure out easy way to get ppl. to translate | 07:12 |
| rejon | they could then upload their annodex file and attach it to the original ogg | 07:12 |
| rejon | that would be easy | 07:13 |
| rejon | what is the filetype of annodex | 07:13 |
| rejon | textfile | 07:13 |
| tannewt | its cmml, its xml | 07:13 |
| tannewt | http://www.openroadtrip.net/media/raw/20060710-Ron_Stroope.cmml | 07:13 |
| rejon | my_movie-zh_CN.cmml -> my_movie.ogg | 07:14 |
| rejon | etc | 07:14 |
| tannewt | can cchost pull files already uploaded to the server? | 07:14 |
| rejon | sure | 07:14 |
| tannewt | actually cmml has tracks | 07:14 |
| rejon | yeah, that would be easy | 07:14 |
| rejon | to plug that into gettext to do lang. translation | 07:14 |
| tannewt | so you'd only need one cmml file | 07:15 |
| rejon | right | 07:15 |
| tannewt | then this cmml can be put in an ogg container | 07:15 |
| rejon | then could just extract all the desc statements for gettext to put into .po file | 07:15 |
| rejon | then anyone can translate with standard gettext tools | 07:15 |
| tannewt | and thus you get an annodex file | 07:15 |
| rejon | is anyone doingt this? | 07:15 |
| tannewt | that translation? | 07:15 |
| rejon | y | 07:15 |
| rejon | or made tools for it? | 07:15 |
| tannewt | nope, all of the user desktop apps were written by me and my roommate | 07:16 |
| rejon | cool | 07:16 |
| tannewt | annoamp and keystroke | 07:16 |
| rejon | yeah, that would be a killer app | 07:16 |
| tannewt | to translate? | 07:16 |
| tannewt | eventually keystroke could do it | 07:16 |
| rejon | yeah, to basically have this open source /open service translation tool | 07:17 |
| tannewt | for continuous media? | 07:17 |
| rejon | yep | 07:19 |
| rejon | maybe a good target would be to set this up on spread.freeculture.org | 07:19 |
| tannewt | ah so you mean web based? | 07:20 |
| rejon | ye | 07:20 |
| rejon | ah | 07:20 |
| rejon | well, leave it up to ppl. to use standard gettext open source translation tools | 07:20 |
| tannewt | bah, I like good old desktop apps | 07:20 |
| rejon | and let them translate however they would like | 07:21 |
| rejon | yeah, I understaand | 07:21 |
| tannewt | so, I need to update my todo list | 07:22 |
| tannewt | 8.Setup CCHost for ORT site. | 07:24 |
| tannewt | 1.Install CChost on server. | 07:24 |
| tannewt | 2.Write annodex importer. | 07:24 |
| tannewt | 3.Theme site. | 07:24 |
| tannewt | 4.Get video thumbnailing. | 07:24 |
| rejon | yep | 07:24 |
| rejon | sounds good | 07:24 |
| rejon | you can work with me to iron out how to do translation of annodex files | 07:24 |
| tannewt | I'm not going to worry about that until the site is up | 07:25 |
| rejon | ;) | 07:25 |
| rejon | ok, offer stands for later :) | 07:25 |
| rejon | pce | 07:25 |
| tannewt | I just got a nice new RAID setup | 07:25 |
| rejon | cool | 07:25 |
| * tannewt grins | 07:25 | |
| rejon | grant? | 07:25 |
| tannewt | the Annodex Foundation hosts the site | 07:25 |
| tannewt | 917 gb | 07:25 |
| tannewt | any tutorials for writing importers? | 07:26 |
| rejon | check out the http://wiki.creativecommons.org/cchost site and ask on the list | 07:27 |
| rejon | there are a bunch of developer docs now | 07:28 |
| rejon | I haven't even gone through them all | 07:28 |
| rejon | very cool | 07:28 |
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| tannewt | rejon, is it an issue using it with PHP5? | 07:35 |
| rejon | it is well tested with php5 | 07:36 |
| tannewt | ok | 07:36 |
| tannewt | w00t, http://openroadtrip.net/cchost/ | 07:46 |
| tannewt | rejon, the rewrite code goes in httpd.conf right? | 07:49 |
| rejon | or you can put in .htaccess | 07:50 |
| rejon | you might have a separate vhosts file | 07:50 |
| rejon | for virtual hosts | 07:50 |
| rejon | cool congrats on install | 07:50 |
| rejon | i would put in .htaccess | 07:50 |
| rejon | for testing | 07:50 |
| tannewt | hmm | 07:53 |
| tannewt | yay got it | 07:54 |
| rejon | cool | 07:55 |
| rejon | make sure to jack up your php timeouts and the php fie limits | 07:55 |
| rejon | esp. for video | 07:55 |
| tannewt | importing or just uploading? | 07:55 |
| rejon | uploading | 07:55 |
| tannewt | well, I wont be using the web interface for uploading | 07:56 |
| rejon | yeah, i want to add a webdav interface | 07:59 |
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| tannewt | rejon, so cchost uses the directory ccfiles? | 08:04 |
| tannewt | is there any mass import? | 08:06 |
| rejon | did you use SVN or the last release? | 08:09 |
| rejon | I would use the SVN version | 08:09 |
| rejon | there are some cool changes to directory layout | 08:10 |
| rejon | shit, wish I would've told you that | 08:10 |
| rejon | we need to do a release this week | 08:10 |
| rejon | not a direct mass import | 08:10 |
| rejon | I'm actually working on that for openclipart right now | 08:10 |
| tannewt | ack, I've got thousands of photos | 08:10 |
| tannewt | dual ack because I used the latest release | 08:11 |
| tannewt | but don't worry it'll be a while until all of the video is uploaded | 08:11 |
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| tannewt | night rejon | 08:26 |
| rejon | night | 08:27 |
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| tannewt | rejon in what directory does cchost store the files? | 22:54 |
| rejon | people | 22:54 |
| tannewt | rejon, will it change with the next release? | 23:02 |
| rejon | no | 23:03 |
| rejon | Like I said, the cchost version in SVN is what I would use | 23:03 |
| rejon | I think with web apps makes much more sense | 23:03 |
| tannewt | any more plans when the release will happen? | 23:03 |
| rejon | that is what ccmixter.org uses and openclipart.org/cchost | 23:03 |
| rejon | tannewt: i just need to cut it off | 23:04 |
| rejon | esp. since its pretty stable all the time | 23:04 |
| tannewt | hmm, should I use a nightly build or what? | 23:04 |
| rejon | no, use svn co | 23:04 |
| rejon | just check out the head | 23:04 |
| rejon | and use that | 23:04 |
| rejon | or trunk | 23:04 |
| rejon | (not head) | 23:04 |
| tannewt | whats the update process then? | 23:04 |
| rejon | svn up | 23:05 |
| rejon | ;) | 23:05 |
| tannewt | what about the database? | 23:05 |
| rejon | back it up before svn up | 23:05 |
| rejon | we take precautions to make sure the db is updated and things updated | 23:06 |
| rejon | there are scripts in /bin | 23:06 |
| rejon | that help you with that process | 23:06 |
| tannewt | okay, whats the svn co full command? | 23:06 |
| tannewt | (subversion view is down on sourceforge) | 23:07 |
| rejon | svn co https://svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/cctools/cchost/trunk | 23:07 |
| rejon | svn co https://svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/cctools/cchost/trunk cchost | 23:07 |
| tannewt | rejon, annodex could be used to embed information about the samples used in a remix | 23:14 |
| rejon | cool | 23:14 |
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