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| bovinity | hey jon, did you mention you had a spare cable modem too? | 00:44 |
| rejon | ha...nope | 00:50 |
| bovinity | ah, someone else then | 00:50 |
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| klepas | moinmoin | 07:58 |
| * klepas is considering setting up a CC Salon locally | 07:58 | |
| klepas | ...and is wondering about what other people think/suggest | 07:58 |
| rejon | sounds good | 08:04 |
| tannewt | klepas, have you done anything with those pictures? | 08:07 |
| klepas | tannewt: yea | 08:15 |
| klepas | trying to just fix up a gif image, animated | 08:15 |
| klepas | i'll send you a few banner within the next day or so :) | 08:15 |
| klepas | apologies for the delay | 08:15 |
| tannewt | klepas, no problem, just wanted to see if you had | 08:18 |
| tannewt | klepas, I appreciate your help | 08:18 |
| klepas | yea | 08:18 |
| * klepas feels annoyed | 08:18 | |
| * klepas has been trying to lend a hand in too many places he feels and gets caught up | 08:19 | |
| tannewt | klepas, understood | 08:19 |
| tannewt | klepas, you've got talent thats in demand, pick and choose | 08:19 |
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| rejon | klepas: where do you want to setup a salon? | 08:47 |
| klepas | Canberra, Australia | 08:48 |
| rejon | cool! | 08:48 |
| rejon | there is one "kind of" in sydney | 08:48 |
| rejon | but it would be great to start another one | 08:48 |
| klepas | probably as an event in existing places | 08:49 |
| rejon | great | 08:49 |
| rejon | that is the way to do it | 08:49 |
| rejon | make it easy | 08:49 |
| rejon | for yourself :) | 08:49 |
| rejon | honestly, that is the best way to make sure it happens regularly | 08:49 |
| klepas | yea | 08:49 |
| klepas | cool | 08:49 |
| rejon | cool...everything you need is at http://creativecommons.org/salon | 08:49 |
| rejon | you can email me as well for advice | 08:49 |
| rejon | I'm going to bed soon | 08:49 |
| rejon | I'm jon | 08:49 |
| * klepas is Pascal Klein | 08:50 | |
| rejon | <!-- at --> creativecommons.org | 08:50 |
| rejon | hello, nice to meet you | 08:50 |
| rejon | I'm Jon Phillips, from creative commons and rejon.org/bio | 08:50 |
| rejon | cool man..if you sum up what you are thinking and email me, I'll get back to you wth thoughts | 08:50 |
| rejon | but generally just start a wiki page like | 08:51 |
| rejon | http://wiki.creativecomons.org/Canberra Salon | 08:51 |
| klepas | klepas.org/about | 08:51 |
| rejon | if that is the city you want to do it in | 08:51 |
| klepas | yea | 08:51 |
| rejon | and then fill it out similar to the main salon page and your off and running! | 08:51 |
| rejon | cool, I will read more tomorrow...I need to sleep ...starting to hurt ;) | 08:52 |
| klepas | sure | 08:52 |
| klepas | no guarantee that a wiki page will be up by tomorrow | 08:52 |
| klepas | it's an idea that has been lurking and growing in the back of mine | 08:52 |
| klepas | rejon: impressive credentials | 08:53 |
| * klepas is out for dinner | 08:55 | |
| klepas | bbs | 08:55 |
| rejon | cool...talk to you later...I'm going to bed... | 08:58 |
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| Thanatermesis | hi all | 16:07 |
| Thanatermesis | i have a question about CC and licensing software | 16:08 |
| bkhl | We will probably say that you should look to GNU GPL or BSD for software licenses... | 16:12 |
| Thanatermesis | i have look at it... | 16:13 |
| Thanatermesis | but i search a thing more similar to: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/2.5/ | 16:13 |
| bkhl | http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/license-list.html lists a few things like that | 16:14 |
| bkhl | Free Art License maybe - "permits commercial distribution, but any larger work including the copylefted work must be free" | 16:15 |
| bkhl | Though that one doesn't really address software specific issues either, so you'd be just as well off with CC. | 16:16 |
| Thanatermesis | yeah, aparently is only for audio/video/documents :/ | 16:18 |
| bkhl | Which one? | 16:18 |
| bkhl | Well, software is "documents", isn't it? | 16:18 |
| Thanatermesis | well, what i search aparently is considered "non-free" looking the point 2ยบ of the license to i have look in CC (no comercial interest) | 16:18 |
| Thanatermesis | hum | 16:18 |
| Thanatermesis | in some part.. yes | 16:18 |
| bkhl | Yeah, the license will be considered "non-free software" if you prohibit uses for particular purposes, like commercial purposes. | 16:18 |
| bkhl | So it would not be possible to include it in free Linux distributions like Debian, for instance. | 16:18 |
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| Thanatermesis | the problem of the free licenses for software is to look very for the software... but nothing for the author | 16:19 |
| Thanatermesis | the author is "nothing" on this world | 16:19 |
| bkhl | Yeah, Free Software aims to liberate the users. | 16:20 |
| Thanatermesis | and slave the dev's lol | 16:20 |
| bkhl | Developers are users too. | 16:20 |
| Thanatermesis | ok.. look a example | 16:20 |
| bkhl | I've probably heard it before... | 16:21 |
| Thanatermesis | i make a software, i work on it since 2 years... and i want to living from the work of this software... | 16:21 |
| bkhl | Then why would you give it away at all? | 16:21 |
| Thanatermesis | what happens if a "big company" take it and sell it how "his work".... then my software and me are "nothing", and all my work is lost | 16:21 |
| bkhl | Unless of course you can base a business model on it that doesn't require that you monopolise the source code | 16:22 |
| bkhl | That's why you use copyleft. | 16:22 |
| bkhl | That way the company in the story would have to make their changes public too. | 16:22 |
| bkhl | (That's what the "ShareAlike" part of the CC license does, as well as the GNU GPL) | 16:23 |
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| Thanatermesis | but the GPL has another problems... for example: you are obliged to share it for free (then how you obtain money?), and any another company can obtain it and sell it "how his work" | 16:37 |
| bkhl | 2006-08-29 18:22 <bkhl> That way the company in the story would have to make their changes public too. | 16:38 |
| bkhl | Anyway, that's not a problem that's the purpose of the GPL. | 16:38 |
| Thanatermesis | yes, that is the way to work of gpl.. but i don't want this :) | 16:40 |
| bkhl | So don't do that then... | 16:40 |
| bkhl | Nobody is forcing you. | 16:41 |
| Thanatermesis | then what i need to use ? a privative license ? freeware ? if is a distro this project, how the users look at it ? very bad | 16:42 |
| bkhl | Yeah. | 16:44 |
| Thanatermesis | is not posible... | 16:44 |
| Thanatermesis | it simply die's before to exist lol | 16:44 |
| bkhl | Well, if that's the case it's not a very viable business model to begin with, is it? | 16:45 |
| Thanatermesis | IMHO no | 16:45 |
| Thanatermesis | but well, i have worked on it since 2 years and i don't know what made now lol | 16:46 |
| mlinksva | Thanatermesis, you might want to look into how the GPL can be part of a business strategy. Look up MySQL's release under GPL in tandem with commercial licensing. If you have copyright to the entire project you can do things like that. | 16:51 |
| paulproteus | Thanatermesis, Also, the GPL does not require you to give it away for free. | 16:59 |
| paulproteus | It simply says that anyone you give it to can give it away for any price. | 16:59 |
| paulproteus | You are certainly allowed to charge for it or limit who you give it to, if you want. | 17:00 |
| Thanatermesis | yes, i know how to works mysql, this is a VERY good thinked strategy stuff... and a special case... btw, this mysql stuff shows again "how GPL is not a way of bussines" lol | 17:01 |
| bkhl | It really doesn't. | 17:01 |
| bkhl | The overwhelming majority of their user base is due to the GPL. | 17:02 |
| Thanatermesis | this is what i think after to look after very time about this things... GPL shows me to is not a licence for bussiness... and a good way to look at it is simply to look "how many enterprises works using the GPL licence"... mysql is a very special case and more exactly just the contrary to the GPL comercial possibilites | 17:05 |
| bkhl | Not really. | 17:06 |
| bkhl | There's a bunch of businesses like that. | 17:06 |
| paulproteus | TrollTech! | 17:06 |
| bkhl | Erlang... | 17:06 |
| bkhl | Anyway, what you seem to be forgetting is that by using the GPL, you are not giving away your copyright to anyone. | 17:07 |
| mlinksva | but what if scandanavia fell off the face of the earth, then what? | 17:07 |
| Thanatermesis | trolltech... remember me this... a wine stuff ? | 17:07 |
| bkhl | You are still free to sell it under different licenses. | 17:07 |
| mlinksva | qt | 17:07 |
| bkhl | mlinksva: we'd do fine without you. | 17:07 |
| mlinksva | heh :) | 17:07 |
| paulproteus | cutie? | 17:07 |
| mlinksva | (all the examples mentioned so far are scandanavian) | 17:08 |
| bkhl | All the talk of Qt reminds *bkhl* that he had planned to try Konqueror out again | 17:11 |
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| rejon | hi | 17:41 |
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| fourstones | hey is jon around? | 18:06 |
| bkhl | He just left. | 18:08 |
| fourstones | doh, thanks ;) | 18:09 |
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| shaggyoaf | is there a "print stack" sort of function in C? | 21:10 |
| shaggyoaf | I found a function by greping in the source for an error message but I'd really like to know where it goes when it returns | 21:10 |
| paulproteus | shaggyoaf, See topic. (-: | 21:11 |
| paulproteus | shaggyoaf, You could try using a debugger. | 21:11 |
| rejon | shaggyoaf: use gdb | 21:11 |
| rejon | http://www.cs.hmc.edu/qref/c++/gdb.html | 21:12 |
| shaggyoaf | hmmm, this isn't the channel for c programming, is it? | 21:12 |
| shaggyoaf | sorry about that | 21:12 |
| shaggyoaf | :) | 21:12 |
| rejon | no, but we know about as well :) | 21:12 |
| shaggyoaf | a debugger is going to be very hard for me, I'm trying to fix a problem I'm having in redhat's anaconda | 21:13 |
| shaggyoaf | (their installer) | 21:13 |
| shaggyoaf | oh, I see my mistake.. I was trying to join ##c and I hit #cc | 21:14 |
| paulproteus | No prob, bob. | 21:14 |
| paulproteus | shaggyoaf, While you're around, feel free to go to http://mirrors.creativecommons.org/getcreative/ to get a sense of what Creative Commons is about. | 21:15 |
| paulproteus | We're like Free Software, but for media like film, photo, and text instead. | 21:15 |
| shaggyoaf | I know about the creative commons license | 21:16 |
| shaggyoaf | I wasn't aware it had much to do with music/media | 21:17 |
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