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| muZac | hi everyone | 02:35 |
| tannewt | hi muZac | 02:38 |
| muZac | how are you? | 02:39 |
| tannewt | pretty good, just busy hacking away in python | 02:41 |
| tannewt | you? | 02:41 |
| muZac | just listening to net stations and relaxing a bit | 02:42 |
| muZac | what kind of project are ya cooking up? | 02:43 |
| tannewt | an annotating/transcribing helper tool | 02:44 |
| tannewt | http://pastebin.com/777631 | 02:44 |
| muZac | cool stuff | 02:47 |
| tannewt | its broken now | 02:48 |
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| paulproteus | tannewt, Huh, what sort of stuff does this help you annotate? | 03:57 |
| tannewt | paulproteus, its for video and audio files | 03:58 |
| paulproteus | tannewt, Ah, interesting | 03:58 |
| tannewt | the main thing is that it controls playback from the keys mainly | 03:59 |
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| rejon | Jedi_: that is funny...my gf. said the same thing | 06:21 |
| rejon | look in the zh_CN translation at what my gf. made | 06:21 |
| rejon | I will be continuously trying to remove this type of language from ccHost | 06:21 |
| rejon | "What I Pound on", while sounding pornographic, actually means, "What tools I use" | 06:22 |
| paulproteus | rejon, You should make "What I Pound on" the English translation of the string "What tools I use". | 06:22 |
| paulproteus | BTW, around? | 06:22 |
| paulproteus | If so I want chat. | 06:23 |
| Jedi_ | rejon: zh_CN havn't translate that string yet | 06:24 |
| paulproteus | rejon, I want you to compare http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/lyceum-users/2006-July/thread.html and http://paulproteus.acm.jhu.edu/tmp/zested/lyceum-users/2006-July/ . | 06:30 |
| paulproteus | Try to follow the "Homepage blog" thread. | 06:30 |
| paulproteus | rejon, Note that I'm not original; I'm using code from "Zest" <http://zesty.ca/zest/>, but his code was broken in a lot of ways that I've fixed. | 06:30 |
| paulproteus | rejon, My question is: What sort of web UI would be useful for this, and how might I implement it? | 06:30 |
| paulproteus | I'd love to throw every open mailing list through it. | 06:31 |
| paulproteus | Jedi_, You're welcome to look too, btw. (-: | 06:31 |
| paulproteus | BTW, if you don't see why my "zested" version is cool, play with it longer or ask me. (-: | 06:31 |
| rejon | ok, checking | 06:35 |
| paulproteus | rejon, A better demo I suppose is http://paulproteus.acm.jhu.edu/tmp/debian-mentors/ - more forwards and backwards discussion. | 06:36 |
| paulproteus | Be sure to click links and mouse-over things in the left pane. | 06:36 |
| paulproteus | It turns unwiedly conversations into discussions where it's easy to see who thinks what. | 06:37 |
| rejon | paulproteus: this is awesome! | 06:42 |
| paulproteus | Thank goodness you think that. | 06:42 |
| rejon | very cool | 06:42 |
| rejon | did you get it into mailman? | 06:42 |
| paulproteus | I was worried you thought it was boring since you weren't saying anything. | 06:42 |
| paulproteus | rejon, No. Good idea. | 06:42 |
| rejon | no, man, just tired and multitasking | 06:43 |
| paulproteus | But that won't help me run it against the Debian lists, which aren't mailman anyway. | 06:43 |
| rejon | would be good to offer this option in addition to boring static view | 06:43 |
| rejon | is it generalized for multiple mailing lists? | 06:43 |
| paulproteus | Mailman already lets me download mboxes, so I was thinking some slick interface where I offer to slurp external mbox files and render them on the fly would be good. | 06:43 |
| rejon | cool | 06:43 |
| rejon | ok, that makes sense | 06:43 |
| paulproteus | Zest takes a series of mbox files as arguments and outputs this stuff. | 06:43 |
| rejon | it would be useful for gmane | 06:43 |
| rejon | awesome | 06:44 |
| rejon | cool | 06:44 |
| paulproteus | My first step is a very visible tech demo. | 06:44 |
| rejon | so you rocked that implementation out? | 06:44 |
| rejon | yep | 06:44 |
| paulproteus | I fixed his bugs, at least. | 06:44 |
| rejon | coo | 06:44 |
| rejon | l | 06:44 |
| paulproteus | And the bitrot. | 06:44 |
| rejon | is there a project opened up? | 06:44 |
| paulproteus | On SF? Not right now. | 06:44 |
| paulproteus | The code's in http://svn.asheesh.org/svn/public/code/zest/ and http://svn.asheesh.org/svn/public/code/use_zest/ . | 06:45 |
| paulproteus | Zest has an SF project; maybe I'll get this to be part of it. | 06:45 |
| rejon | yes, that is a good plan | 06:45 |
| rejon | zest.sf.net | 06:45 |
| rejon | that is a good url | 06:45 |
| rejon | build the infrastructure around that to get ppl. involved | 06:45 |
| rejon | and do a big release | 06:45 |
| rejon | that will gain attention | 06:45 |
| paulproteus | Yes, it's the big release I wanted your help on. | 06:46 |
| rejon | cool | 06:46 |
| rejon | yeah, get that guy to add you as a developer | 06:46 |
| paulproteus | I figure a web UI where you can (a) see arbitrary months of known lists (since it's already got their mbox files) and (b) teach it about new lists' URLs for mbox files would be great. | 06:46 |
| rejon | yep | 06:46 |
| paulproteus | And I wondered if you felt like writing a mockup of the UI so then I could write a backend. | 06:46 |
| paulproteus | (-: | 06:46 |
| rejon | have you communicated with the original dev? | 06:46 |
| paulproteus | Just a little. | 06:47 |
| rejon | hahaha...nice try | 06:47 |
| paulproteus | He's very busy and not interested in pursuing it all, but I'll ask him about SourceForge. | 06:47 |
| rejon | I would like too, but am stretched too thin | 06:47 |
| rejon | yeah, get him to make you a full level admin | 06:47 |
| rejon | cuz, obviously he hasn't worked on in like 3-4 years | 06:47 |
| rejon | that is the first thing | 06:47 |
| rejon | get the keys | 06:47 |
| rejon | and then open it up | 06:48 |
| rejon | there is already mailing list | 06:48 |
| rejon | so, after you get access, commit your changes, pretty up zest.sf.net | 06:48 |
| rejon | and then do release 0.1 or whatever | 06:49 |
| rejon | I'm more in favor of the 0.1..1.0 strategy these days | 06:49 |
| rejon | then write up an announcement and I can help you connect that with PR, freshmeat, etc | 06:50 |
| rejon | that will get interest from others, and if you have the doors open, give devs. the keys as fast as possible to the project to help out | 06:50 |
| rejon | I use the policy: 1 patch submitted first, and then a dev. gets full dev. access on sf.net (including SVN commit) | 06:50 |
| * paulproteus nods | 06:51 | |
| rejon | that is the strategy | 06:51 |
| rejon | but it all hinges on becoming a dev. on the project | 06:51 |
| paulproteus | The thing is, I don't really think this is long-term code. | 06:51 |
| paulproteus | It's not like Inkscape where the feature list is huge. | 06:51 |
| rejon | that is ok | 06:51 |
| paulproteus | Okay, I guess you really could build the feature list here anyway.... | 06:51 |
| rejon | yeah, i wouldn't make too much infrastructure | 06:51 |
| rejon | like don't need chat for it, and probably not a wiki in this case | 06:52 |
| paulproteus | Anyway, sure, I'll do this. (-: | 06:52 |
| * paulproteus chuckles | 06:52 | |
| rejon | mainly, you need multiple devs. to help out | 06:52 |
| rejon | main thing is to get admin level access onthe project | 06:52 |
| paulproteus | That's true. Hopefully some random Slashdot guy will come by and think it's worth hacking on. | 06:52 |
| paulproteus | The code does desperately need a refactoring, and once (if) that's done, then it could be pushed into other projects. | 06:52 |
| rejon | and get that by giving him a huge patch and rewarding with kindness | 06:52 |
| rejon | yes | 06:52 |
| rejon | exactly | 06:53 |
| paulproteus | So I guess there is a lot to do, I just forgot since I've kept my sights small. (-: | 06:53 |
| rejon | and others will pick it up | 06:53 |
| rejon | i pulled together this project gotmai | 06:53 |
| rejon | l | 06:53 |
| rejon | gotmail | 06:53 |
| rejon | its a perl script to get hotmail and save into mbox | 06:53 |
| rejon | it was stuck for a year and broken | 06:53 |
| rejon | so I applied these strategies and got it back on track | 06:54 |
| rejon | totally work | 06:54 |
| rejon | ed | 06:54 |
| rejon | other ppl. picked it up, etc | 06:54 |
| paulproteus | Well, that's awesome. | 06:54 |
| rejon | and it is actually more downloaded and used than inkscape | 06:54 |
| paulproteus | Hah! (-: | 06:54 |
| rejon | its used by thousands of people | 06:54 |
| rejon | and is just a lame script | 06:54 |
| * paulproteus sees you at http://sourceforge.net/forum/forum.php?forum_id=489586 | 06:54 | |
| paulproteus | I used to dream of becoming a backdoor genius for the powers of Good, where no one knew who I was but I would secretly manipulate the world to be awesome. | 06:55 |
| paulproteus | Anyway, enough late-night gushing for me. | 06:56 |
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| whiteg | rejon: ping | 09:55 |
| whiteg | got my mail? | 09:56 |
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| Jedi_ | rejon: I'd like to let you know that I just finish zh_TW locale of ccHost. (419 translated / 419 strings) | 12:19 |
| Jedi_ | rejon: If you like, I can convert it into zh_CN (with some characters & phrase conversion table) | 12:20 |
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