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rejonhi cchelpbot00:40
rejonthx for re-joning us00:40
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mlinksvarejon, was re-"jon"ing intentional?00:43
rejonoops00:43
rejon;)00:43
rejonthat's where my nick came from btw00:43
rejonok dudes, all the cchost dev. cronjobs are back online00:51
paulproteusSweet.00:51
paulproteusI always loved cron jobs.00:51
rejonincluding development tarballs, cchelpbot and chat logs00:51
paulproteusWho could ask for anything more?00:52
mlinksvai want bible truth00:56
paulproteusIs that like what RMS has with the Church of Emacs?01:02
mlinksvano01:03
mlinksvarms is too singular and makes too much sense01:04
mlinksvaneed some mystery and faith01:04
mlinksvaor at least smoke and mirrors01:04
mlinksvamaybe a cron job that changes cron would get us partway there01:05
mlinksvarecronbinant01:05
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paulproteusThanks, cchelpbot!01:12
rejonlook inside to see what I started01:12
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ACSpikeheh01:22
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rejonsee you all back at the ranch...01:42
Lukewhen looking at a website with muliple verification metadata tags, how should I relate the tags to the media (mp3s)? song name?01:55
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rejonhi jedi05:29
tannewthi rejon05:29
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Jedi_rejon: yo Jon08:42
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Jedi_wow11:37
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kinslayerhi11:40
kinslayerwhat kind of freaks u are?11:41
kinslayer<-horrible mage11:42
kinslayerk...u are very aktiv guys...11:45
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rejonhi all16:51
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paulproteusHi all.17:01
paulproteushttp://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4849402.stm17:15
paulproteusIt's amazing how many articles can get the details of the organizations involved in CC/iCommons/etc. wrong.17:16
paulproteus"17:16
paulproteusBut a Creative Commons "iCommons" licence gets around such problems. "17:16
rejonjedi_: you have jedi.org!!! whoa17:30
paulproteusIronic, isn't it?  The owner of jedi.org can't even get "jedi" on freenode?17:32
rejonwe met jedi in brazil17:33
paulproteusI met him in #cc.17:33
paulproteusI think the optical drive in this machine just spun up to load a GIF renderer for Firefox.17:35
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rejonhttp://wiki.creativecommons.org/OpenOfficeOrg_Addin18:07
bovinityhrm, if OO.o had better svg support it would be nice to optionally include either licence icons, or buttons for embedding on pages.18:09
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mlinksvafyi nathan asked on OO.o http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=dev&msgNo=1722418:13
rejoni have tried to meet OO.o developers so many times...hard to crack18:14
rejon2 year release cycle...18:15
rejonthat is great he emailed them...that should put some fire under the add-in18:15
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paulproteusAnyone who talks about the RDC format for CC data is making typos about RDF, right?18:40
mlinksvapresumably18:42
paulproteusJust wanted to make sure there wasn't some secret sauce I didn't know about.18:42
paulproteusrejon, BTW, I'm pretty sure freeculture.org will get a ccHost install within the next week or so.18:50
rejongreat...just make sure you all have ppl. and time for it :)18:51
rejonwould be great to have and also, great to get some new blood into dev...18:51
e1presidenterejon: I know CChost has a way to communicate with other CChost installs to allow cross-site sampling, but does it also have integrated attribution for other large CC-oriented content sites (i.e. flickr)?18:52
rejonif they use the sample pool API18:54
rejonit would be great for this to happen18:55
rejonone could probably make an intermediate web mashup using their api to connect up with the sample pool API18:55
paulproteus"Yay."18:55
e1presidenteAwesome18:56
rejonwould you like to do this?18:56
e1presidenteI honestly don't think I have the requisite development experience18:57
bovinityif done properly, that would be an awesome addition18:57
rejonbaiscally, it would just be a web wrapper18:57
* rejon is sounding jargon-y18:58
bovinityweb mashup 2.0 w/ ajax on rails.18:59
rejonexactly19:00
e1presidenteSOMEBODY CALL A VC!19:01
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e1presidenterejon: rather than do it as a web wrapper with flickr, since Yahoo is already fairly supportive of CC, think there's a chance that they would implement the pool API within the service itself?19:04
e1presidenteor rather, be willing to implement the API19:05
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paulproteusMan, I totally have the experience to do it, I just hate web applications.19:43
paulproteuse1presidente, That's not a bad idea.19:46
paulproteusmlinksva, Would you be willing to ask them at some point?19:46
mlinksvapaulproteus, not sure who them is or what they should be asked19:49
paulproteusmlinksva, It'd be swell if Flickr supported the ccHost-supported content pool API.19:49
paulproteussample pool, rather.19:49
paulproteusWould you be willing to ask Yahoo/Flickr to do that?19:50
nathany_although renaming it to "content pool" if you're going to deal with more than audio might not be a bad idea19:50
* paulproteus chuckles19:50
mlinksvai see, yes should have a metting with Y! later this month i'll add that to the wishlist for dicsussion19:50
paulproteusYippee.19:50
paulproteuslol - "/ubeensampled" is in the API.19:56
* paulproteus is reading http://ccmixter.org/media/viewfile/pool_api_doc.xml19:56
paulproteusrejon, BTW, you should learn about "svn export".20:00
rejonwhat20:01
rejoni know about svn export20:01
rejonsvn help export yo20:01
paulproteusThe cchost-2.0.1 has lots of dot-svn in it.20:02
rejonnathany_: i agree with you...there is much that needs to be de-audio-ified about ccHost20:02
rejonnathan_: i think the idea of content pool is better as well...for the generalized usage20:03
paulproteusI think it doesn't make a difference if internal stuff like API names sounds too audioified.20:03
rejonpaulproteus: why don't you add the svn export to the Makefile for cchost20:03
rejonstep it up20:03
nathany_paulproteus: i disagree -- if you're trying to convince people your API is important enough to be implemented, it should make sense20:04
paulproteusnathany_, Okay, fine. (-:20:04
nathany_lol20:04
nathany_and really, APIs are much more visible these days than they may have been in the past20:04
rejonyes, the general name is important20:04
nathany_it's the age of the mash-up, baby20:04
rejonapi on t-shirts and the like20:04
nathany_for sure20:05
paulproteusrejon, They were doing that as early as the DeCSS shirts.20:05
rejon...20:05
paulproteusmlinksva, Mind if I make myself a $HOME on apps?20:06
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rejonprobably should normalize the lang in the api as well b4 GM20:07
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paulproteusrejon, It doesn't appear to work quite right on FreeCulture.org's PHP5: "Fatal error: Class 'CCUser' not found in /home/freecult/public_html/host/cclib/cc-table.php on line 32"20:17
paulproteusOh, well, that's enough FC.o for now.20:18
mlinksvapaulproteus, go for it.  i'm not too good at using the right switches, must've forgotten -d when I added you.20:19
paulproteusmlinksva, On Debian, I urge you to use the "adduser" command.20:19
paulproteusIt's an interactive frontend to "useradd", making life much easier.20:19
paulproteusActually, it has its own config file, so maybe it's not a frontend but a reimplementation.20:20
rejondid you guys see this: http://rss.slashdot.org/slashdot/eqWf?m=642020:22
rejonmicrosoft sponsoring ODF converter for MS XML20:23
paulproteusYeah, I did see that.20:23
Lukewhen verifying a license claim, what field should I match an mp3 to rdf metadata with if there are more than one metadata claims20:25
rejonits xsl ... then they made some C# gui stuff for it20:33
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mlinksvaLuke sha1 of the mp3 should match the subject of a statement or the object of a statement with dc:identifier predicate20:42
mlinksvapaulproteus, you're right, i'll use adduser from now on.20:50
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Lukemlinksva: is the mp3 verification algorithm layed out in any more detail somewhere? I'm looking for specifications?21:31
mlinksvaLuke, http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Nonweb_Tagging21:40
mlinksvaalso see ccLookup code :)21:40
Lukethe lookup code does things like looking for "licensed to the public under "21:43
paulproteusTee-hee.21:43
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Lukeand you told me to just look at the link before verify at21:44
Lukeslight differences but still... they exist and I dont know which to follow21:44
mlinksvaccLookup is too conservaitve then21:47
Lukemeaning that looking for "licensed to the public under " is more exact?21:48
mlinksvaright, don't worry about the presence of "licensed to the public under" as discussed yesterday21:53
Lukeslright sounds good21:54
Lukealright*21:55
Lukeif the sha1 is not available in the rdf about I should default to some other tag?22:10
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rejonhey bruno23:00
mlinksvapaulproteus, sure23:02
bdillyhi jon23:02
bdillyhow are you?23:02
rejongood...23:03
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paulproteusmlinksva, Is "apps.creativecommons.org" still supposed to redirect?23:05
mlinksvanot sure what you mean.  there shouldn't be any services actually using that domain23:08
mlinksvaif you mean the default vhost on apps should change from printing out a "back soon" msg, yes, i guess it could redirect to the wiki or something23:10
mlinksvaor just to cc.org23:10
* paulproteus makes it go to cc.org, still with a temporary redirect23:10
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