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RubenBhello03:58
RubenBi need help in C03:58
RubenBits posible that sone one can help me03:58
kfishRubenB, this is a channel about Creative Commons04:06
kfishmaybe you should try #c04:06
RubenBok thanks kfish04:09
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john_jimmyHey all17:30
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cchelpbotrejon: I have been running for 1 hour, 8 minutes, and 22 seconds.18:03
cchelpbotNew news from http://wiki.creativecommons.org/wiki/index.php?title=special:recentchanges&feed=rss: User:Jon Phillips <http://wiki.creativecommons.org/User:Jon_Phillips>18:13
soumyadiphello, I was looking at the proposals for Google Summer of Code, and I am interested in working on the Live-CD project18:17
soumyadipI was looking forward to comments and opinions on what should go into the Live Cd18:18
soumyadipso that I build up a concrete peoposal18:18
soumyadip*proposal18:18
rejonone sec18:19
john_jimmyHey soumyadip ... Me too18:19
john_jimmyI too am interested in that Live CD18:19
john_jimmywhich distro are you thinking18:19
soumyadipwhat Desktop Environment, what sort of applications, how is the licensed content going to be structured18:19
soumyadipjohn_jimmy: I'm keeping my options open, but probably one of these : Knoppix, Morphix and Ubuntu Live CD18:20
john_jimmyI am thinking Morphix18:21
john_jimmyI talked to some ppl here18:21
john_jimmyand the content is our responsibility it seems18:21
soumyadipumm ??18:22
soumyadipI thought we were to put in CC licensed content available on the site18:22
john_jimmyyes the content should be CC licensed and the apps could be too18:23
john_jimmyit should be monthly updated18:23
john_jimmyand it should be automatically updated ...18:23
soumyadipeh ? it seems that misunderstood the specifications completely18:24
john_jimmyyeah me too18:25
john_jimmyI think rejon is the guy to talk to on this18:25
john_jimmyhe cleared alot of my doubts18:25
soumyadipok, I'll wait for rejon18:26
john_jimmyanyways where are you from?18:26
soumyadipjohn_jimmy: India :)18:27
john_jimmywhere in India...18:28
soumyadipKolkata (formerly Calcutta)18:29
john_jimmysoumyadip, I am an India BTW18:29
soumyadipjohn_jimmy: yup, I noticed you on #linux-india18:30
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john_jimmysoumyadip, you r B.Tech?18:33
soumyadipjohn_jimmy: yup final year18:33
john_jimmyyour exams are over?18:34
soumyadipjohn_jimmy: nope, they'll start this saturday :)18:35
john_jimmymine already over....18:35
soumyadiplucky you :)18:35
soumyadipjohn_jimmy: you doing B.Tech too ?18:35
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john_jimmysoumyadip, yep...CSIT...18:36
rejonok, back18:45
soumyadipah goody18:47
john_jimmyrejon, soumyadip is also interested in liveCD18:47
rejonwhoa18:47
soumyadip:)18:47
rejonI wonder why its such a wanted project18:47
rejonmaybe it is the most defined18:47
john_jimmyrejon, May be18:47
rejonhmm...maybe need to redefine the projects18:47
rejonhmmm18:47
rejonlive and learn18:47
rejonok, am going to go through and recat. the projects18:47
soumyadiprejon: well not completely defined for me to be able to write off a proposal, I was looking for some clarifications18:48
john_jimmyrejon, were there others too... for LiveCD18:48
john_jimmyrejon, apart from us both18:48
rejonyes18:49
rejonat least 318:49
rejonso, better chances to do something else18:49
john_jimmyhmm.... Its gettting interesting now18:49
john_jimmyrejon, no way...I aint gonna quit on this one.18:50
soumyadipme too :P18:50
john_jimmysoumyadip, wire ur questions18:50
john_jimmyI too will try to understand what exactly is needed18:51
soumyadipwell I was wondering, if there were any particular requirements regarding the base distro, and the Desktop Environment18:51
john_jimmyrejon, would you let me take that18:52
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john_jimmysoumyadip, I think Knoppix is preferred, DE is ur choice ... be creative...18:53
john_jimmyis that right rejon18:53
soumyadipalso, where to source the CC-lcensed content from, and how to present it ?18:53
* tannewt pings rejon18:54
rejoni'm here18:55
tannewtjohn_jimmy, what are you talking about?18:55
rejongetting ready to head out18:55
tannewtrejon, did you see that mockup I did?18:55
john_jimmytannewt, The livecD project18:55
tannewtjohn_jimmy, liveCD with what on it18:55
tannewt?18:55
john_jimmytannewt, with CC content on it18:56
tannewtah, cool18:56
soumyadiptannewt: that is exactly what we're both trying to figure out, what would you like to be on it ?18:56
tannewtjohn_jimmy, knoppix is already pretty packed18:56
tannewthave you ever remastered a knoppix livecd?18:56
john_jimmytannewt, I prefer Morphix18:56
john_jimmytannewt, No... did it with Morphix18:57
john_jimmytannewt, have You18:57
tannewtyeah, with knoppix18:57
tannewtit was ugly18:57
john_jimmysoumyadip, did you18:57
john_jimmytannewt, tell me about it... i tried to... but18:57
soumyadipjohn_jimmy: I did, and I concur with tannewt18:57
tannewtmagnatune has lots of CC stuff18:57
john_jimmytannewt, ended up with morphix instead18:57
tannewtah18:57
soumyadipmorphix is certainly easier, and I'm ready to consider other options18:58
tannewtwhy a linux livecd?18:58
john_jimmytannewt, you mean for CC18:59
tannewtwhy not just a cd that will work in windows18:59
tannewtjohn_jimmy, ?18:59
john_jimmytannewt, I meant r you asking why a linux liveCD for CC19:00
tannewtjohn_jimmy, yeah19:00
soumyadiptannewt: well that does make more sense, since most of the CC projects are for Windows19:00
john_jimmysoumyadip, are they?19:01
soumyadipjohn_jimmy: have a look at the projects section on the site19:01
john_jimmysoumyadip, Ok...19:02
soumyadiptannewt: you think something on the lines of a remastered "openCD" would be better idea ?19:02
tannewtsoumyadip, exactly19:02
tannewtno need for a livecd if its just content19:03
soumyadiptannewt: interesting possibility, am looking into it19:03
soumyadipIMHO we can put in the CC project software on it too19:04
tannewtpeople have trouble booting to a CD19:04
rejonguys....sorry I'm unresponsive...please email me and the cc-devel mailing list19:05
rejonjon19:05
soumyadipok, I can't find information on how to remaster the OpenCD, so I'm emailing the developers19:05
rejonAT19:05
rejoncc.org19:05
rejonbbiab19:05
tannewtrejon, cheers19:06
tannewtsoumyadip, its not too hard to create something like it19:06
tannewtmostly its a matter of collecting the files19:06
tannewtand then making hte autorun interface19:07
tannewtit would be cross-platform then too19:07
soumyadiptannewt: ok19:07
soumyadiptannewt: thanks for the tip, I'll google up a bit19:08
tannewtsoumyadip, I'd love to help19:08
tannewtsoumyadip, it'd be cool to include tools to remix the content, ie audacity, pitivi or such19:08
soumyadipyes, definitely, but I suppose making those tools run from the Cd would be the black magic19:10
tannewtI'd just make them install19:10
tannewtI wouldn't run off CD19:10
tannewtthey are free software19:10
soumyadipshipping the installation files shouldn't be much of a problem, should it ?19:10
tannewtno not at all, for free software at least19:12
soumyadipumm... pitivi doesn't look to be able for anything other than Linux19:12
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tannewtyeah, stuff like that19:12
tannewtI've got lots of content too, http://www.openroadtrip.net19:12
* soumyadip starts taking notes19:12
tannewtclass time19:13
john_jimmysorry had to go out for a break19:14
tannewtI'll be back on in 20 maybe19:14
tannewtits Comp Sci class :-)19:14
tannewtcheer19:14
tannewts19:14
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john_jimmyOkay19:14
john_jimmysoumyadip, you were saying OpenCD would be a good idea right19:14
soumyadipjohn_jimmy: yup19:15
john_jimmyi think that would just be enough19:15
john_jimmygood idea19:16
john_jimmyDid you ask rejon that ?19:17
soumyadipno, I was throwing the idea around with tannewt19:18
john_jimmywhy dont you try mailing it to list .. that could change the scope of this project19:18
soumyadipgood idea john_jimmy19:20
john_jimmysoumyadip, have tried building Redhat based livecd ever19:20
john_jimmyi mean have you tried19:21
soumyadipjohn_jimmy: no19:21
john_jimmysoumyadip, just wondering how to go about it19:22
john_jimmyMay be its not that easy as it is with debian19:22
john_jimmymay be thats why fedora doesnt have a livecd yet19:22
soumyadipjohn_jimmy: well IIRc there were some scripts developed for Fedora that made Live CDs19:23
* soumyadip remembers seeing one made by one of his acquiantances who is also a Fedora ambassador19:23
john_jimmyhmm19:24
soumyadipjohn_jimmy: have a look at the fedora wiki19:24
john_jimmyok will do that19:25
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john_jimmysoumyadip, have you used linux-live scripts ever19:31
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john_jimmycan a redhat livecd be created using those scripts?19:31
tannewthi guys19:34
john_jimmytannewt, hai19:36
soumyadiphi tannewt19:36
soumyadipjohn_jimmy: well I suppose you should19:36
tannewtsoumyadip, so what did you decide?19:37
soumyadiptannewt: well I'm mailing the devel list asking for the opinion of the devels on the possibility of an OpenCD style CD19:38
tannewtsoumyadip, I think it'd be the best way to do things19:40
tannewtlivecds are much tougher and less user friendly19:40
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soumyadipI tend to agree with you, but let's hear from the others too19:40
tannewtyeah, no worries19:40
soumyadiptannewt: I quoted you in my mail, hope you don't mind19:42
tannewtno problem19:42
soumyadipgoody19:42
tannewtsoumyadip, where are you located?19:43
soumyadiptannewt: I'm in Calcutta, India19:43
soumyadipunfortunately, Google doesn't have high resolution maps of Calcutta, so I can't pinpoint my location19:44
tannewtah bummer19:45
soumyadiptannewt: ??19:45
tannewtthe google things19:45
tannewtthing19:45
soumyadip:)19:45
tannewtI'm Scott by the way19:45
tannewtie I just posted to devel also19:45
soumyadipnice to meet you Scott19:46
soumyadipI don't use any handles, my nick is my real name19:46
tannewtmines kinda generic if you will19:47
tannewtI'm a gentoo community dev too19:47
soumyadipooo, that means you are a real hard core devel19:48
tannewt?19:48
tannewtkinda19:48
tannewtI dont do as much as I should19:48
tannewtI get distracted by my own project19:49
tannewts19:49
soumyadipwell I maintain a couple of packages on Debian, and am a member of the Ubuntu India Local Community team19:49
tannewtnice19:50
soumyadipI also try to help out with localisation issues, especially for Indic languages19:51
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tannewtright19:51
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zwnjinteresting reading: http://politics.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/05/04/1558212&from=rss21:46
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