Wednesday, 2006-05-03

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cchelpbotNew news from http://creativecommons.org/weblog/rss: Summer of Code application period open <http://creativecommons.org/weblog/entry/5882>04:14
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jugglinxsylvinus,  are u around?13:13
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cchelpbotNew news from http://creativecommons.org/weblog/rss: Classical Music Goes Digital (& CC) <http://creativecommons.org/weblog/entry/5883>16:34
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john_jimmyhey mlinksva18:04
john_jimmyhai all18:04
rejonhi john_jimmy18:04
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john_jimmyhai rejon18:11
rejonwrd18:11
john_jimmyare you a mentor for SOC18:11
rejony18:12
rejonwhat is up?18:12
john_jimmyI am interested in the LiveCD project18:12
rejonexcellent18:12
john_jimmyso have some questions18:12
rejoncool18:12
rejonactually....ask, but I will be back in 5 min18:12
john_jimmyI have already built some LiveCDs18:12
john_jimmyso18:12
john_jimmyOkay no probs... let me know when you r back18:13
rejonvery cool18:17
rejondefinitely include that in your proposal18:17
rejonwe are interested in a maintainable system for creating livecds18:17
rejonthat is close to mainline livecds18:17
rejonjohn_jimmy?18:22
john_jimmysorry was away18:23
john_jimmyOkay18:23
john_jimmyWe actually wanted to automate the LiveCD creation process18:24
john_jimmyin our liveCD18:24
rejongreat18:24
rejonwhat distro of livecd would you use?18:25
john_jimmymorphix based on Debian18:25
john_jimmyand based on knoppix too18:25
john_jimmycoz Morphix  is the easiest to build and maintain18:26
rejoncool18:26
john_jimmyand its more modular18:26
john_jimmyso18:26
rejonhow up to date is it with software?18:26
john_jimmyIt has 2.6.15 kernel18:26
rejonI wonder where we could host it?18:27
john_jimmyand almost latest18:27
john_jimmymay be sourforge or?18:27
rejongreat18:27
john_jimmyanywhere you want18:27
rejonwell, sourceforge has a really small quota for projects18:27
john_jimmyOh then someplace else then18:28
rejonsoooo...would need to host it somewhere where we could build monthly releases or something18:28
john_jimmyI have got some friends who would love to host it18:28
rejonyou should add that to your proposal18:28
john_jimmysure would do that18:28
john_jimmyAnyways, i am new to CC18:28
john_jimmyso what exactly do the LiveCD have to have18:28
rejongreat...well, I guess we could host the packaging, scripts, etc, on cctools sf.,net in SVN and then do the snapshotting somewhere18:28
rejonI could help setup on one of the cc servers too18:29
rejonall the cctools apps18:29
rejonand then some cc-licensed content18:29
rejonI really want to make just a cc-licensed cc as well that we could auto build every once in a while...possibly monthly18:29
rejonthat is good to include as well, how often to do releases, etc18:29
john_jimmycould you be more clear18:30
rejonhow often to do livecd releases18:31
rejonreally this is a great project, but I'm mainly concerned with maintenance of it18:31
rejonhow to keep it alive18:31
john_jimmytotally understand18:31
rejonthere is two parts to what needs to be included: 1.) cctools 2.) cc-licensed content/media18:31
john_jimmyso are they deb packages18:32
john_jimmywhere would 2 come from?18:32
rejon[2] is the harder part18:32
rejonon a basic level, this could be hand selected, but this is hard to automate18:32
john_jimmywhere would we get that content from18:33
rejonanother way would be to have users submit18:33
rejonanother would be to auto-download somehow18:33
john_jimmyBRB18:33
john_jimmyOkay could this be integrated with commoncontent18:35
john_jimmyin some way so that it auto generates the content list from commoncontent18:35
rejony18:38
rejoncould include openclipart.org's package18:38
rejoncould grab a bunch of properly licensed flickr images18:38
rejonfreesound18:38
rejonthe entire catalog from ccmixter.org18:38
john_jimmywhat is the main goal here?18:38
john_jimmyis it a weekly CD or monthly CD? or18:39
john_jimmylike a magazine CD18:39
rejoncreate a livecd with cctools and cc-licensed content that can be used on any computer18:39
rejonI think a monthly CD is a good idea18:39
john_jimmyso who is ur target audience?18:39
rejoni think that by creating this will help identify issues18:39
john_jimmylegal or software issues?18:40
rejonpeople interested in using cc content and test out software created by cc18:40
john_jimmyokay18:41
rejonsome questions you should address are whether or not to include apps that work with cc-licensed content as well and what cc-licensed content to include18:41
rejonreally, you should post some of your ideas on the mailing list and get some nice feedback on some of these larger questions18:41
john_jimmyOkay will do that18:41
john_jimmywhat apps are you thinking ?18:42
rejonnot sure...apps like inkscape work with cc-licensed content18:42
john_jimmywhich Desktop environment?18:43
rejonoh, is there support for ppc as well as intel on morphix?18:43
rejonthat is up to you18:43
john_jimmyhave to check18:44
rejonmake a nice proposal with your own vision18:44
john_jimmyI am trying to understand what you are wanting in this first...u know18:45
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john_jimmyI am trying to understand what you are wanting in this first...u know18:46
rejonright18:46
rejonok, anymore questions?18:46
john_jimmyprobably but its about mid night here in India18:46
rejonk18:48
rejonmailing list is good to send formulated questions, etc too18:49
john_jimmyokay18:52
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cchelpbotNew news from http://wiki.creativecommons.org/wiki/index.php?title=special:recentchanges&feed=rss: CcNutch <http://wiki.creativecommons.org/CcNutch>19:35
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Timhi22:40
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rejonhi TIm22:40
rejonhi bovinity22:40
mlinksvahi hi hi22:40
bovinityHi!22:40
rejonhi^422:41
john_jimmyhi all22:41
Timhey there. Just wanted to find someone from the CC dev community to talk about an idea I had for the SoC. See if it fitted anywhere near your plans or needs22:41
rejonask22:41
rejonand ye shall receive22:41
Timok, so, as I go along, please remember that I do understand it sounds a lot like ccHost, and want to see if there isn't some other niche it's missing22:42
Timthe things is, I've worked for a NPR session and founded a radio station at my University. From these experiences, I know first-hand that sharing content freely (for example, under a CC licence ;) ), comes more often from lack of technical expertise than from will22:44
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Timso I've been trying to develop a drop-down-easy-to-use podcasting/streaming platform for a few weeks for our own station.22:45
Timthe task is big, but feasible, and I think such a piece of programming is the missing link to get more free content on the internet22:45
Timso far, it sounds a lot like ccHost. But I think that what is needed is something definitely smaller, customizeable22:46
rejonwhy not just use wordpress?22:46
Timbecause you don't get the whole experience22:47
rejondoes the world need Yet Another Podcasting app?22:47
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Timand you don't nearly get the "out of the boxness"22:47
rejonhow simple is it?22:47
Timokay, I'm not saying podcasting app, I'm thinking  of a web app. Something to actually publish and present your podcast22:47
Timto a non-tech crowd22:47
bovinitya you tube for podcasts, in effect?22:48
Timsomething that doesn't require a podcasting app. A website that _is_ a podcasting app actually22:48
Timbovinity > well, kinda. Less community (I'm thinking radio station, maintaining your image here, but it could be used)22:49
rejonTim: I think that you will have to be extra clear in our proposal to differentiate this from cchost22:49
Timbovinity > the main difference I see is that it could be program/host oriented, as well as tag oriented, through settings22:49
rejonI think it would be better to add the functionality to cchost22:50
rejonconsolidate22:50
Timwell, that was the kinda of thing I was thinking about, coming in here...22:50
rejonso you would consolidate your work into cchost?22:50
Timmy main question being : is that somewhere the cc dev community would like to go ?22:50
rejonsure22:51
rejonI'm still not clear how this is diff. than what already exists with cchost22:51
Timbecause CC in general seems pretty "community" oriented to me, and that would be going towards stations22:51
Timwell, simply put, the functionnality is (mainly) there in ccHost. But I think it's kinda lost inside other features and not so easy to implement.22:52
TimI was looking for something really dumbed-down to install for our team, easy to administer, clear to use, with only the functionnalities we needed. And I don't think ccHost is there yet. It's pro, but to tailorable imho22:53
Timthe thing is, again, I have the impression is oriented towards a tech community and not towards creatives or medias22:54
Timbut I may be wrong ... :(22:55
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rejonno, its oriented towards creatives23:02
rejonI would *strongly* urge you to try as hard as possible to contribute to cchost and preexisting projects23:02
rejonbut, you might provide a screenshot or live usage of your software which may be of interest23:03
Timokay, I agree with that, consolidating is always better23:03
TimI have a kinda direct, (I'll say 'naive') question, that I am honestly asking myself... is it okay for me to ask it ?23:04
rejonall questions are ok23:04
rejondon't ask to ask, just ask a question23:04
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Timokay then23:05
Timwhy do you think ccHost hasn't been deployed massively in radio stations and companies accross the world when they were jumping on the podcasting bandwagon and scrambling to find or develop a podcast hosting webapp ?23:06
TimI mean, maybe it hasn't been branded that way, or maybe it's not the primary intent, but I could be doing that job too, to some extent as you pointed out...23:08
rejonsimple: lack of resources to promote the project23:09
Timhas it been designed to fill that exact kind of purpose already ?23:10
rejonnot for that exact purpose23:11
Timdo you think there is a need or interest for the CC community ? (and how high ?)23:11
Tim(maybe the question is too general, I'm just trying to see if such a thing would be deemed useful)23:16
rejonin your case, I really think you should make lightweight proposal to our mailing list and see about interest23:17
rejoni think you need to get more feedback...I'm unclear about the featureset and community you are targetting...I need to see a large scale idea about this on the list23:17
Timor so, something short about how it would fit in the big picture, is that it ?23:18
Tim-or+ok23:18
Timokay, thank your for your time rejon, hope I didn't fill the IRC logs with mindless trash too much ;)23:22
Timbye now23:24
rejonno...just good to be specific and goal-oriented23:24
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rejonwtf23:24
rejonc'mon23:24
bovinitylol23:24
rejonman...23:24
rejonnote to all SoC ppl on here....idling is good and listening is better sometimes23:25
rejon(Please read the logs too)23:25
bovinitywe need some exciting SoC projects.. like the Inkscape ones23:25
rejonyeah23:26
rejonmaybe need to do a braindump on that page again23:26
rejonI think the inkscape ones are still kind of boring...haven't done a braindump for those either23:27
bovinityit would be awesome to have eps import, and fancy grids, imo.23:28
bovinityand external linking :D23:28
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