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| jugglinx | ok, my idea is make fliers with info about CC and also about the page, but... if i make the satnd i will make banners of my web, would like to have a jamendo banner there? | 00:03 |
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| sylvinus_ | if you want ! | 00:04 |
| sylvinus_ | I won't be there to check anyway ;) but it'd be cool | 00:04 |
| jugglinx | ok, lets see how all goes... my idea is make them... but how i say i don t have money for invest now... if the web works, i will do it :-) | 00:06 |
| sylvinus_ | nice ! | 00:07 |
| sylvinus_ | I'll go to argentina, then ! | 00:07 |
| sylvinus_ | ;) | 00:07 |
| mlinksva | sylvinus_, if you can send a shipment to cc hq that would be cool, we can deploy them to useful people :) we can send some cc stickers and buttons in exchange if you want | 00:10 |
| sylvinus_ | huh.... | 00:10 |
| sylvinus_ | tell me about something cool ;) | 00:10 |
| sylvinus_ | let's do that | 00:10 |
| mlinksva | i'm talking about jamendo stickers | 00:10 |
| sylvinus_ | yup;) | 00:10 |
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| sylvinus_ | ok | 00:10 |
| sylvinus_ | we'll try to send them before sxsw | 00:11 |
| mlinksva | mcmay, if you're listening, that goes for you too. i'd love to have some staccato stickers to give out at sxsw. you gonna be there btw? | 00:11 |
| sylvinus_ | we're going to need to print again | 00:11 |
| jugglinx | mlinksva, what about a CC banner? can i make it?... im about to send a mail to ask formally... | 00:12 |
| mcmay | Yup. I'm going to be there. | 00:12 |
| mlinksva | mcmay, cool! | 00:13 |
| mcmay | I'm on the WaSP panel/annual meeting. | 00:13 |
| mlinksva | jugglinx, what do you mean by "banner"? | 00:13 |
| jugglinx | like a flag, actually... | 00:13 |
| mlinksva | you want to put it on a flyer or ? | 00:13 |
| jugglinx | for use it in the stand... i was thinking in use CC logo... | 00:14 |
| mlinksva | stand? you mean like a fair booth? | 00:15 |
| jugglinx | i think, im not sure what s fair booth means... i want to an small stand in the concerts of the bands that are in my page, which should be CC lincesed music, for imform people about the CC license and also of my web... | 00:17 |
| jugglinx | my idea is make banners, or flags, with the logo of CC and the URL... | 00:18 |
| mlinksva | i see, that sounds cool to me. if it includes the creativecommons.org url i think it is even officiously ok per http://creativecommons.org/policies | 00:18 |
| jugglinx | as far i read, the policy is u can use the logo is u pointed to creative commons | 00:18 |
| jugglinx | but that s in digital world... i want to be sure in real world :-) | 00:19 |
| mlinksva | yeah, so for offline material i would think having the url in proximity would be pointing to | 00:19 |
| jugglinx | ok, thanks :-D | 00:20 |
| jugglinx | u guys save my day today... i was about to get depressed coz my proyect was not "economically viable"... thanks sylvinus_ and mlinksva :-D | 00:21 |
| sylvinus_ | ;) | 00:21 |
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| jugglinx | it s more easy when people help each together | 00:22 |
| sylvinus_ | creative commons is definitely viable, u can relax ;) | 00:22 |
| jugglinx | tehn u definitely will come to argentina ;-) | 00:25 |
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| cchelpbot | New news from http://wiki.creativecommons.org/wiki/index.php?title=special:recentchanges&feed=rss: Content Curators <http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Content_Curators> | 15:00 |
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| rejon | hi friend | 18:36 |
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| rejon | someone has to have a real tattoo of the cc logo out there | 19:00 |
| rejon | http://static.flickr.com/1/3052297_edcd459327_m.jpg | 19:00 |
| Jedi_ | mlinksva: ping | 19:27 |
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| mlinksva | Jedi_ hi | 19:32 |
| Jedi_ | mlinksva: I am thinking that there is a problem on CC's commons deed page | 19:33 |
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| Jedi_ | mlinksva: please take a look at http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/2.0/deed.en (let's take this page as a sample) | 19:33 |
| mlinksva | no, doubt, for some definition of problem | 19:33 |
| mlinksva | what do you have in mind? | 19:33 |
| mlinksva | looking | 19:34 |
| Jedi_ | mlinksva: we can see "Attribution. You must attribute the work in the manner specified by the author or licensor." in this page | 19:34 |
| mlinksva | right | 19:34 |
| Jedi_ | but in my memory, this statement should not be 2.0 version of CC licenses | 19:34 |
| Jedi_ | this should be 2.5 or later | 19:35 |
| mlinksva | attribution is in 2.0. it was slightly changed for 2.5 in that the "manner specified" can include a url or something other than the licensor, but the text on the deed is generic enough to cover both | 19:37 |
| Jedi_ | ya, I know that attribution is in 2.0 | 19:39 |
| Jedi_ | but in the begining, it was "Attribution. You must give the original author credit." | 19:40 |
| Jedi_ | # ref: http://web.archive.org/web/20041012060905/http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/2.0/deed.en | 19:40 |
| mlinksva | yep, we tweaked the language a bit to handle <2.5 and 2.5+ | 19:41 |
| Jedi_ | ya | 19:42 |
| Jedi_ | so here is the case: | 19:42 |
| Jedi_ | author[A] licensed his work[B] under CC:by 2.0 | 19:43 |
| Jedi_ | and [A] says, "please annotate '[A] of http://someurl.com/' when using" | 19:45 |
| Jedi_ | I mean, [A] specified some manner even when he using CC 2.0 license | 19:46 |
| Jedi_ | Now, have user[B] to follow the manner specified by [A]? | 19:47 |
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| Jedi_ | or it is just fine [B] annotate something like "licensed by [A], under CC:by 2.0 license" | 19:48 |
| Jedi_ | ops | 19:48 |
| Jedi_ | I mean user[C] | 19:49 |
| Jedi_ | Now, have user[C] to follow the manner specified by [A]? | 19:49 |
| Jedi_ | or it is just fine [C] annotate something like "...this work[B] was licensed by [A], under CC:by 2.0 license" | 19:50 |
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| Jedi_ | # maybe I just misunderstand Attribution in CC 2.0. If so, please hint me :-/ | 19:56 |
| Jedi_ | # I read these commons deed text literally, for they are commons deed | 19:57 |
| mlinksva | Jedi_, if i follow correctly [B] could just say "licensed by [A]..." to fulfill the requiremensts of attribution 2.0 | 20:17 |
| mlinksva | but of course ianal | 20:17 |
| mlinksva | and the deeds aren't legal documents | 20:18 |
| mlinksva | the licenses underneath the deeds are | 20:18 |
| Jedi_ | I just want to make sure that the deeds don't conflict with legal code | 20:19 |
| Jedi_ | some users may think that they have duty toattribute the work in the manner specified by the author, even in CC 2.0 license, according to the deeds | 20:23 |
| Jedi_ | and they may ask why, if they don't really have to according to the legal code | 20:24 |
| mlinksva | well, you're the first to ever ask | 20:24 |
| Jedi_ | #garrrr, maybe I just think too much :-/ | 20:25 |
| mlinksva | feel free to bring up on cc-licenses if you want. | 20:25 |
| mlinksva | the mailing list i mean | 20:25 |
| Jedi_ | ok | 20:25 |
| mlinksva | wording on the deeds (at least the initial english version) is pretty crafted, would require some discussion | 20:26 |
| Jedi_ | ya, agree. | 20:26 |
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| Jedi_ | mlinksva: btw, this page seems to have a charset error: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/publicdomain/prelinger/ | 20:38 |
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| mlinksva | thanks, i'll add that to our buglist | 20:42 |
| zwnj | hi all | 20:55 |
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| zwnj | i wonder if i'm allowed to get the *original* (full size) photo of an image (under CC) on the flickr site which its owner turned of the "All Size" button (to not allow get the original)? | 20:57 |
| zwnj | is the license for that size? exactly that binary? what about the original? is it copyrighted because it tells nothing about it? | 21:00 |
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| mlinksva | zwnj, i wasn't aware a flickr user could turn off the "all size" button | 21:16 |
| mlinksva | if it is turned off how would you get the full sized original anyway? | 21:16 |
| zwnj | what i found is, you can grab any size of an image, if you seen any size of it on the site! | 21:16 |
| zwnj | an another one (that's less unsecure) is that | 21:17 |
| zwnj | everybody has access to every image! if just found the random code. and that's very possible with non-secure networks (flickr forces HTTP!) | 21:18 |
| zwnj | mlinksva: btw, anyone have read Dreyfus' "On the Internet"? | 21:22 |
| mlinksva | i guess you'd only be absolutely safe to take the images the user intended to be public as cc licensed. 99.99% of users probably aren't aware of flickr security holes. :) | 21:23 |
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| mlinksva | zwnj, never heard of it until now, but i'm just one, not anyone | 21:24 |
| zwnj | oops! :D | 21:25 |
| mlinksva | heiegger on the internet, eh? i'll get to that post-upload. | 21:27 |
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| zwnj | mlinksva: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0415228077/102-8243194-9188133?v=glance&n=283155 | 21:34 |
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| zwnj | mlinksva: i sent the email to Christiane and CC-ed you | 23:11 |
| mlinksva | zwnj, got it, thanks | 23:20 |
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