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| nkinkade | mlinksva: Sorry, I realized this should be in #cc | 17:55 |
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| nkinkade | The question is do we allow the use of the [gallery] tag, and if so, so we silently rewrite the URLs as they come in, or do we make Wordpress generate different URLs for attachments, and if so, what should the URL look like? | 17:56 |
| mlinksva | argh, that's bogus | 18:02 |
| mlinksva | for attribution purposes we ought to link to wherver the image came from | 18:03 |
| mlinksva | which would sort of eliminate the problem | 18:03 |
| mlinksva | or rather require creating a different solution | 18:04 |
| nkinkade | mlinksva: On the attachment page there is attribution, etc: http://creativecommons.org/weblog/2008/12/21/11757/attachment/3114232639_f66de53a12 | 18:05 |
| nkinkade | Although WP calls it an "attachment" it's really just a whole other post. | 18:06 |
| nkinkade | That's a URL that WP can handle, but replacing the date with "entry" kills it's internal rewrite rules. | 18:06 |
| nkinkade | It wouldn't be hard for me to change my plugin to handle incoming URLs like the ones that are being generated and serviing up the correct content. | 18:07 |
| nkinkade | Or we could just make it a policy to not use the [gallery] WP stuff and to link directly to the image's source. | 18:07 |
| nkinkade | (as you say) | 18:07 |
| nkinkade | One advantage with the gallery is that it will automatically create a bunch of thumbnails and display them tabularly. | 18:08 |
| mlinksva | nkinkade: yeah gallery is convenient | 18:09 |
| nkinkade | mlinksva: So shall I just update the plugin to handle these attachment links? | 18:09 |
| nkinkade | If so, the question becomes whether we let WP generate the URLs that it wants and then handle those when they come back in, or whether we force WP to create the URLs that we want. | 18:10 |
| mlinksva | is that attribution info just typed in plaintext? | 18:11 |
| mlinksva | at the attachment link above | 18:12 |
| mlinksva | nevermind, i see that it is | 18:13 |
| nkinkade | mlinksva: It's part of the images description when editing the gallery. | 18:13 |
| mlinksva | my ideal would be for there to be two additional fields -- source and license urls | 18:13 |
| nkinkade | mlinksva: In that case, I'd recommend we not use the WP built-in gallery. | 18:14 |
| mlinksva | and gallery would use those | 18:14 |
| nkinkade | To implement that would require changes to the database and code. | 18:14 |
| nkinkade | Because this "attachment" is really just a post in disguise. | 18:14 |
| nkinkade | So to add new fields would imply changing the database, unless we had some crazy code that would store that data somewhere else. | 18:15 |
| mlinksva | i see. it would be super-useful patch to have shipped with wordpress, but i guess that is a bigger project | 18:15 |
| nkinkade | That is true. | 18:16 |
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| mlinksva | so yeah, i guess i'd have to say we should avoid using gallery, because it is hard for us to even do attribution and license notice right, and we of all sites need to get that right | 18:16 |
| nkinkade | Okay, I'll have Michelle change the post. | 18:16 |
| mlinksva | btw i'm sad that i didn't know before but glad to learn of ionice and iotop. looks like the latter is packaged in intrepid. | 18:18 |
| nkinkade | mlinksva: I didn't even know it was packaged, but glad to see that it is. And ionice is presently saving us every single day. | 18:18 |
| mlinksva | nkinkade: now i have something to celebrate for the holidays, since i felt let down about the purported saving going on otherwise | 18:31 |
| mlinksva | http://trac.wordpress.org/ticket/8696 http://trac.wordpress.org/ticket/8697 | 18:31 |
| mlinksva | those are pretty lame writeups, but better than nothing | 18:31 |
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| nkinkade | mlinksva: It seems to me that there already is a "Source" URL location. | 18:38 |
| nkinkade | That is, when you go to add an image, there is a "Source" text box that I think is what you were talking about. | 18:42 |
| mlinksva | but it isn't available for editing http://creativecommons.org/wp-admin/media.php?action=edit&attachment_id=11824 | 18:44 |
| mlinksva | ok, so i guess the "link url" can be used for this | 18:49 |
| mlinksva | nkinkade: so maybe we can use gallery, we just need to add the link url to each image | 18:54 |
| mlinksva | but there is no UI for doing so except at upload :) | 18:54 |
| nkinkade | mlinksva: Michelle is already changing her post to remove the use the [gallery] | 18:56 |
| nkinkade | But if we want, I can still update the cc_permalink_mapper plugin to handle those URLs correctly. | 18:56 |
| mlinksva | http://trac.wordpress.org/ticket/8698 | 19:00 |
| mlinksva | i'd rather not fix something that we don't want to use | 19:00 |
| mlinksva | re permalink mapper | 19:01 |
| nkinkade | mlinksva: The permalink mapper is a hack anyway ... we have just discovered one more rule that it should probably handle. | 19:04 |
| nkinkade | mlinksva: If we are not going to use [gallery] as a matter of policy then we should send out an email to cc-staff, but it we will allow it, then we need to update the permalink mapper to handle the URLs. | 19:23 |
| nkinkade | (whether the bugs you filed get addressed or not) | 19:23 |
| mlinksva | nkinkade: don't need the permalink mapper if every image has a link specified | 19:25 |
| mlinksva | as every image should | 19:26 |
| mlinksva | anyway | 19:26 |
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| nkinkade | mlinksva: http://creativecommons.org/weblog/entry/11757 | 20:03 |
| nkinkade | The revised post. | 20:03 |
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| mlinksva | nkinkade: i saw, that works, though i'm sure it was a pain | 20:04 |
| nkinkade | I think it was, she mentioned something about "2 hours later" :-) | 20:05 |
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| nkinkade | paulproteus entered the room! | 20:05 |
| nkinkade | I haven't ever seen that notice before. | 20:05 |
| Bovinity | hmm, she didn't include the pictures joi and i posted | 20:05 |
| nkinkade | paulproteus: doesn't enter rooms, he just is. | 20:05 |
| nkinkade | mlinksva: It appears as if the "Link to" field doesn't affect the link that is displayed when [gallery] is used, but only once the post is viewed, for what it's worth. | 20:18 |
| nkinkade | So it still probably doesn't resolve the permalink issue. | 20:19 |
| mlinksva | it affects the link use if you add a single image to a post ... sounds like another bug to be fixed | 20:27 |
| nkinkade | But I guess we should still determine what our policy toward [gallery]: either make it work right, or explicitly ask that people don't use it. | 20:33 |
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| mchelen | does converting file format conflict with non-derivative license? | 20:42 |
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| NotADJ | mchelen: Well, you could print a nonderivitave work iirc, so you could prob change the format. | 20:47 |
| NotADJ | But that's only a guess | 20:47 |
| mchelen | thats my guess too, ill check and see if there are more details in the licenses | 20:48 |
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