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| Steren | hi | 18:30 |
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| Steren | nkinkade: Hello, I have some questions :) | 19:06 |
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| m-c- | Greetings | 19:09 |
| m-c- | I have been playing around with USENET today, and I was thinking that it would make a convenient way to distribute creative commons licensed media. | 19:09 |
| Bovinity | unfortunately USENET's following isn't what it used to be. | 19:10 |
| m-c- | For sure... but it is fairly easy to make a new newsgroup and start posting. Has this form of transmission been considered before? Are there already cc-licensed channels? | 19:11 |
| m-c- | Interesting that USENET has been replaced by mailing lists. Hmm... wonder why. Probably just a consolidation of technologies and easier access on the WWW. | 19:13 |
| K`Tetch_ | usenet's dropped in popularity for a nubmber of reasons | 19:13 |
| K`Tetch_ | its filled with spam, a lot of isp's don't carry them any more | 19:13 |
| K`Tetch_ | retention can be terrible | 19:14 |
| K`Tetch_ | and thanks to the likes of andrew cuomo, they'e got the stigma of child porn | 19:14 |
| m-c- | hmm.. yeah | 19:14 |
| m-c- | I have been handing out cdroms full of CC-licensed videos to demonstrate Ogg Theora codecs. I have been thinking more about push technologies. | 19:15 |
| K`Tetch_ | usenet's more of a pull tech | 19:16 |
| m-c- | Well, you could see it like that, but the content is pushed to the local ISP, and subscribers generally get all the messages in their subscribed newsgroup | 19:16 |
| K`Tetch_ | right, but its not pushed to a user | 19:17 |
| K`Tetch_ | its as 'push' as a website | 19:17 |
| m-c- | There are many binary newsreaders that will programmatically download every file in a news group, as they appear | 19:17 |
| K`Tetch_ | a user has to go out, and select what to PULL from the server | 19:17 |
| m-c- | Well, I have got to disagree with you there, because you could say the same thing about an RSS reader, which defines push technology. | 19:18 |
| m-c- | All that said, I see Verizon no longer carries any of the alt.binary groups. | 19:19 |
| m-c- | ... so my capabilities to publish cc-licensed media would be limited, except if I purchased a subscription on EasyNews or such. | 19:20 |
| K`Tetch_ | right | 19:22 |
| K`Tetch_ | as I said, [14:13.04] <K`Tetch_> and thanks to the likes of andrew cuomo, they'e got the stigma of child porn | 19:22 |
| K`Tetch_ | (cuomo's the one that pushed verizon to drop the alt.bin | 19:23 |
| m-c- | Yeah, I followed that discussion. The media-owned ISPs were only too happy to remove avenues of potential copyright infringement. | 19:24 |
| m-c- | ... for the sake of the children, of course. | 19:24 |
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| m-c- | What other media distribution systems have you seen used for getting the word out about CC content? | 19:28 |
| m-c- | I think the problem with website distribution is that there are already so many videos online, that viewers have no right to download, to remix, and to share. | 19:29 |
| m-c- | The CC-licensed content does not stand out against the endless tapestry of seemingly "free" audio and video online media. | 19:30 |
| K`Tetch_ | right | 19:31 |
| m-c- | So how can you distribute content, where you can get CC-licensed media into the hands of your friends and say, "Look, it is legal for me to give this to you, and you can go and share it with anyone else, too!" | 19:32 |
| K`Tetch_ | don't ask me | 19:33 |
| m-c- | The way I have been doing it is through inexpensive CDROMs. I give away a hundred at a computer conference. | 19:33 |
| m-c- | Been doing it for the last several months. Was hoping the experts on the subject matter here would have some additional ideas! ;-) | 19:34 |
| K`Tetch_ | i'm no expert | 19:34 |
| K`Tetch_ | i'm just a lurker | 19:34 |
| m-c- | Well... the question is open to anyone's response. :) | 19:35 |
| Bovinity | the most simple answer is that we're not a content provider, so it's not our task. | 19:36 |
| Bovinity | we try to get the content more accessible through metadata | 19:36 |
| Bovinity | so usenet.. yeah, awesome, do it. ;) | 19:37 |
| Bovinity | (sorry, channeling rejon there) | 19:37 |
| m-c- | Well - I was expecting a bit more interest here on the subject. I guess it is like you said, you're focused on the metadata, not being the content provider. | 19:46 |
| m-c- | On to another subject, what do you think of the Obama administration's use of a CC license on their change.gov web site? | 19:46 |
| m-c- | I, myself, am very happy to see the project get such a lot of publicity by a famous political campaign - one known for their technological savvy. | 19:55 |
| K`Tetch_ | bulgarian president is using it too | 19:55 |
| K`Tetch_ | and their foriegn ministry has been using it since 2006 | 19:55 |
| m-c- | However, I feel they fell short on a complete understanding of the technologies by not using video, audio, and even still image technologies that could be used with freely distributable software. | 19:56 |
| nkinkade | Bovinity: Do we need to spice up /videos/ or do you think what's there is good enough to start redirecting from support? | 19:56 |
| m-c- | Saying that everything on their website is CC-licensed, then putting the bulk of the content on YouTube, which does not allow downloading or sharing, is totally missing the point. | 19:58 |
| Bovinity | nkinkade: i was just thinkng about that | 19:58 |
| nkinkade | The pages themselves seem good enough. Simple, but with everything the old ones had. | 19:58 |
| nkinkade | I guess I could pull the first frame of each video and use that as an icon? | 19:58 |
| Bovinity | nkinkade: and my conclusion, for now, to just copy over the /about/videos videos portion, with the movie thumbnails | 19:58 |
| m-c- | And so I am more than a bit surprised that people haven't called him out on that mistake. | 19:59 |
| nkinkade | Bovinity: I'm not sure I know what you mean? | 19:59 |
| Bovinity | nkinkade: need a thumb for the science commons video, but otherwise a trivial task | 19:59 |
| K`Tetch_ | well, have you, m-c- | 19:59 |
| m-c- | K`Tetch_: I see you are one who likes the argument! ;) | 20:00 |
| m-c- | Yes, I have. | 20:00 |
| Bovinity | nkinkade: the movie thumbnails + title, as it appears you were already thinking of ;) | 20:00 |
| nkinkade | Bovinity: Ah. I see. | 20:00 |
| nkinkade | They may not all have thumbnails, so I may have to get to know ffmpeg a little better. :-) | 20:00 |
| nkinkade | I think I've done it in the past, though, and it was ridiculously easy (I think?). | 20:00 |
| Bovinity | it's probably really easy | 20:01 |
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| nkinkade | Bovinity: Looking at /about/videos/ again, what is the advantage in having each video with it's own page? | 20:19 |
| Bovinity | nkinkade: attribution and linking to sources/straight video files. | 20:20 |
| Bovinity | nkinkade: and to tidy up the work fred has been doing | 20:20 |
| nkinkade | Ah, I guess that makes sense. | 20:20 |
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| m-c- | wow - I am actually at a bit of a loss as I try to find a newsreader for linux that supports uploading text-encoded binary files | 20:56 |
| m-c- | Well - sticking with CDROMs, I guess - good luck with your CC project all. | 20:57 |
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| Bovinity | our little cc project will try to ramble on | 21:00 |
| nkinkade | To grab 1st (or any) frame of a video with ffmpeg: | 21:35 |
| nkinkade | ffmpeg -i <input file> -an -ss 00:00:01 -r 1 -vframes 1 -s 200x150 -f mjpeg -y <outfile.jpg> | 21:36 |
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