| greg-g | paulproteus: the key signing party didn't happen, so no loss. | 00:09 |
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| paulproteus | You wish-washy Ubunteros. | 00:09 |
| nkinkade | Bovinity: That was the first thing I tried. The problem is that "Join the Commons - Student" wraps, and causes the box to get larger, and so displaces the intro text way to far down. | 00:14 |
| Bovinity | style="background-color:#fff; padding:0.25em;" | 00:16 |
| nkinkade | Bovinity: Where? | 00:17 |
| Bovinity | in that intro paragraph | 00:18 |
| nkinkade | I don't think .25em is enough. | 00:18 |
| Bovinity | jsut enough padding for the white background to not butt up against the type | 00:18 |
| nkinkade | I'll try it. | 00:18 |
| nkinkade | Bovinity: http://zupport.creativecommons.org/civicrm/contribute/transact?reset=1&id=15&split=1&donation=100 | 00:21 |
| nkinkade | Bovinity: One solution would be to move the background image to the from #main-content to #title, but the layout changes slightly that way. | 00:22 |
| nkinkade | Or the relatively position of the text to the image. | 00:22 |
| nkinkade | Can a background image cause a box to enlarge to display it all? | 00:23 |
| Bovinity | no, the container is just a window to the image | 00:30 |
| nkinkade | Well, I'm not 100% sure how to fix this problem. I'll have to think about it a bit more. | 00:37 |
| nkinkade | Bovinity: The answer seems to be to simply use min-height, which fixes Firefox and IE7 seems to display it "right" be default. | 00:51 |
| Bovinity | nkinkade: ah. sounds good | 00:52 |
| nkinkade | God damn IE. | 00:52 |
| nkinkade | It must surely be the bane of every web developers existence. | 00:52 |
| Bovinity | it truely is | 00:52 |
| Bovinity | of course these days IE layouting is usually relegated to making sure a page looks "good enough", than deal with tons of hacks | 00:53 |
| Bovinity | nkinkade: does redirecting presskit to /about/press make sense to you? | 00:57 |
| nkinkade | Bovinity: Sure. I never really like the term "presskit" anyway, as it isn't any kit. | 00:58 |
| Bovinity | indeed | 00:58 |
| Bovinity | which is why it's now gone | 00:58 |
| nkinkade | :-) | 00:58 |
| nkinkade | This thing with IE has been embarrassing. | 00:58 |
| nkinkade | I'm ashamed that I sent an alarming email to webmaster, and yet it was I who caused the problem. | 00:59 |
| nkinkade | Oh, well. | 00:59 |
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| CriticalDozen | Hey does anyone know where i'm able to download a stock letter, to send to someone who infringes my work under creative commons? | 16:05 |
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| jgay | paulproteus: check out http://dig.csail.mit.edu/TAMI/2007/AIR/ | 16:25 |
| jgay | there is also TAMI that looks cool, http://dig.csail.mit.edu/TAMI/ | 16:26 |
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| Steren | hey, how is the Tech Summit ? I whish I was here | 18:23 |
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| paulproteus | Bovinity, I'm going to stay at home again and sniffle a lot. | 18:40 |
| Bovinity | paulproteus: get well soon! | 18:40 |
| paulproteus | Thanks! I'm getting closer! | 18:40 |
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| paulproteus | Bovinity, Wow, the replies of the two Nathans are eerily similar. | 18:46 |
| paulproteus | I thought it was a duplicate message at first. | 18:46 |
| Bovinity | yeah, i noticed that too | 18:46 |
| Bovinity | spooky | 18:46 |
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| luisv | how goes the summit? | 18:50 |
| Sarterus | good | 18:52 |
| Sarterus | The copyright registry talk was great. RDFa is being discussed currently. | 18:53 |
| luisv | hehe | 18:55 |
| luisv | (just had a dinner with some people using RDF in production) | 18:55 |
| luisv | (they get violent whenever RDF is mentioned) | 18:55 |
| Sarterus | hehe | 18:57 |
| paulproteus | Howdy Sarterus, sorry I'm back here in San Francisco! | 18:57 |
| mlinksva | jgay: schemaweb.info | 19:11 |
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| mlinksva | not that it's been updated in forever :( | 19:14 |
| jgay | mlinksva: merci | 19:16 |
| jgay | mlinksva: Little-RMS, aka Mattl, is starting to get agitated by the next talk coming up, "Open Source Knowledge Management," and he is thinking of trolling. You better get in here quickly to hold him back. | 19:22 |
| jgay | It's burning his retinas having "Open Source" up on the screen for so long. | 19:22 |
| jgay | (Pictures Mattl, in 1984 Apple commercial style throwing the hammer through the screen) | 19:23 |
| paulproteus | "But we're open about who our sources are!" | 19:25 |
| paulproteus | Open source journalism has been around for a long while. | 19:25 |
| paulproteus | Is mattl at the summit? | 19:25 |
| paulproteus | Oh, 'course he is, it's in Boston. | 19:25 |
| Sarterus | your missing the great rain out here paulproteus, it feels like home | 19:31 |
| mlinksva | jgay: hehe | 19:31 |
| jgay | I've enjoyed the talks so far, but, I really struggle with power-point style presentations (is in Tufte's camp). | 19:33 |
| luisv | tufte sort of overstates the case | 19:36 |
| luisv | that said, I found it ironic that CC has gotten so much mileage out of Lessig's awesome use of ppt, and yet the presenters at the summit in CA had such uniformly horrible ppt | 19:37 |
| paulproteus | FWIW it's Keynote that LLL uses. | 19:38 |
| luisv | well, right | 19:38 |
| paulproteus | (-; | 19:38 |
| luisv | but tufte's argument isn't 'ppt sucks, but keynote really rules' | 19:38 |
| luisv | I mean, keynote solves some of the most glaring ppt problems | 19:39 |
| luisv | but tufte's argument is more general | 19:39 |
| * paulproteus chuckles. | 19:39 | |
| paulproteus | Quite right. | 19:39 |
| paulproteus | Just being pedantic, is all. | 19:39 |
| luisv | PAULPROTEUS PEDANTIC, SUN SETS IN WEST, NEWS AT 11 | 19:40 |
| Bovinity | someone describe these slides. are tehy full of words that nobody will read or remember? | 19:40 |
| jgay | Hmm, I think that Lessig's presentation is kind of lame w.r.t. to learning, but fun w.r.t. to theatre. | 19:41 |
| mlinksva | i count ~40 words on current slide | 19:43 |
| jgay | Yes, I found it useful to write them down in a table like format on top of a previous slide that used the same categories. | 19:44 |
| paulproteus | Sanity check: This is the right namespace shift from old to new: | 19:45 |
| paulproteus | serializer.addNameSpace(atomic.getAtom("cc"), | 19:45 |
| paulproteus | - "http://web.resource.org/cc/"); | 19:45 |
| paulproteus | + "http://creativecommons.org/ns#"); | 19:45 |
| jgay | so, Ithink a gobby presentation would be useful. | 19:45 |
| paulproteus | jgay, There were a bunch of Gobby presentations at Debconf. And now Gobby even has undo. | 19:45 |
| jgay | nice | 19:45 |
| paulproteus | mlinksva, ^^ please ACK? | 19:45 |
| luisv | gobby *presentations*? | 19:46 |
| luisv | please to elaborate | 19:46 |
| jgay | you know, doing yoru presentation through gobby | 19:46 |
| paulproteus | There's a presenter having a conversation with the audience, and behind him is a projection of a Gobby window. | 19:46 |
| jgay | coming up with the final documen ttogether | 19:46 |
| jgay | a set of ideas | 19:46 |
| paulproteus | The file being Gobby'd is the minutes and the agenda for the conversation. | 19:46 |
| luisv | ah | 19:47 |
| luisv | so less a presentation and more collaborative note taking of a talk? | 19:47 |
| Sarterus | public speaking w/ slides is a real skill that is lacking at almost all conferences | 19:47 |
| luisv | Sarterus: s,w/ slides,, | 19:47 |
| nkinkade | public speaking w/o slides is something that is really missing. | 19:47 |
| paulproteus | I like to demonstrate my lack of public speaking skill without slides, like last tech summit. | 19:47 |
| nkinkade | I think the prevalent use of PPT and the like are part of a greater trend in the dumbing-up of presentations and speaking. | 19:48 |
| Sarterus | I prefer lighting talks at 20 slides in 5 mins people usually make them more visually creative and less like note cards | 19:49 |
| nkinkade | Seemingly people aren't capable of taking in purely spoken words anymore, and so that has to be embellished or outright substituted with bits and pieces that people can comprehend. | 19:49 |
| * paulproteus shows a photo of a cat | 19:49 | |
| mlinksva | paulproteus: ack | 19:49 |
| nkinkade | Comprehension seems to these days be relegated to sound bits and video bit, and no substance is there. | 19:50 |
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| paulproteus | nkinkade, One of my favorite Bad Religion albums is _No Substance_. | 19:51 |
| luisv | I believe the greeks said the same thing about writing. | 19:51 |
| paulproteus | luisv, You only say that because you saw that on a TV special. | 19:51 |
| nkinkade | I'd pay money to see someone give a presentation without props - to just ...... talk. A novel idea. | 19:52 |
| Sarterus | hmmm i am trying to rember the last time I saw a great talk without slides... maybe cornell west | 19:53 |
| paulproteus | nkinkade, Obama...? | 19:53 |
| luisv | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jll5baCAaQU | 19:53 |
| paulproteus | nkinkade, I was thinking of going to inauguration, actually, in DC. | 19:53 |
| paulproteus | I'll already be on the east coast for the Mystery Hunt. | 19:53 |
| paulproteus | It's only another 400 miles south to get to DC. | 19:54 |
| nkinkade | I would categorize that as a speech not a presentation. | 19:54 |
| nkinkade | I guess I dislike PPT so much that I'm being unreasonable now. | 19:55 |
| nkinkade | (And Keynote too) | 19:55 |
| jgay | I feel like aftera slide presentation, I'm not ready to start doing something with what I learned -- I feel like I would have to spend as much or if not more time relearning the slide again. | 19:55 |
| jgay | it's like you try to present something in this grey area between a shallow understanding and a nuanced understanding and you walk away with neither. | 19:56 |
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| jgay | mako, you should come over to stata :-) | 19:59 |
| mako | what's going on now? | 19:59 |
| mako | i've got a couple things i'm supposed to be writing today | 19:59 |
| jgay | mako, oh, then don't bother. Jonathan Rees is giving a talk. But, it's probably better to just read http://sciencecommons.org/projects/data/ | 20:01 |
| mako | is there a schedule? | 20:01 |
| jgay | http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Creative_Commons_Technology_Summit_2008-12-12 | 20:02 |
| jgay | but, ti changed | 20:03 |
| jgay | Ben Adida already went | 20:03 |
| jgay | mako, next up is Preview of FairShare and Findings on NC License Distribution by Rich Pearson (Attributor) | 20:16 |
| jgay | I think | 20:16 |
| jgay | mattl and I had an idea earlier. That SA should be seed-alike, so that whenever you get a copy of an SA work, you become a torrent seed for it :-) | 20:18 |
| paulproteus | I believe that would fail the Chinese Dissident Test. | 20:18 |
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| mako | jgay: sounds interesting | 20:30 |
| mako | paulproteus: some of us think the CDT is crap :) | 20:30 |
| paulproteus | Center for Democracy and Technology? | 20:30 |
| jgay | do you have to use a #2 pencil? | 20:30 |
| jgay | Chinese Dissident Test | 20:31 |
| paulproteus | I actually thought you meant the Eclipse.org C Development Tooling. | 20:31 |
| mako | i mean, i suppose i think it's a nice idea. but the idea that it is a metric for freedom/non-freedom is crap | 20:31 |
| paulproteus | I figured maybe that related to my SWT-using NMU... | 20:31 |
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| paulproteus | People like you are the reason we have licenses like the AGPL, mako! | 20:32 |
| mako | yes, that's right :) | 20:32 |
| jgay | I know it's not a reasonable feeling to have, but coming to a CC conference and hearing NC talked about feels to me like going to an OSCON and hearing Microsoft talk about shared-source. | 20:39 |
| jgay | It's like I try to pay attention, but, my mind shuts off | 20:40 |
| luisv | (Chinese Dissident Test?) | 20:45 |
| jgay | F | 20:45 |
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| jgay | paulproteus: you just got talked about | 20:49 |
| paulproteus | Eek. | 20:51 |
| * paulproteus gulps | 20:51 | |
| paulproteus | Why did that happen? | 20:51 |
| jgay | mlinksva_: Can you mention the noncommercial stuff? | 20:57 |
| jgay | (from mattl) | 20:57 |
| jgay | paulproteus: it was just in passing :-) In the context of Nathan hacking on the mozilla plugin | 20:57 |
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| mako | when do things wrap up there? | 21:14 |
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| greg-g | paulproteus: btw: those messaging problems were my own issues. Actually, some Foresight issue (yes, I running foresight while at UDS. It is due to borrowing a laptop). | 22:04 |
| paulproteus | "messaging problems"? | 22:14 |
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| paulproteus | I seem to have just received a break-up text message. | 22:19 |
| Bovinity | that's a messaging problem | 22:19 |
| paulproteus | greg-g, Is that possibly what you're talking about when you say "messaging problems"? | 22:19 |
| paulproteus | I have no idea who in San Diego is trying to break up with me. | 22:20 |
| paulproteus | Like, really. | 22:20 |
| greg-g | paulproteus: no, the syslog message I sent you | 22:26 |
| greg-g | I don't want to break up with you | 22:26 |
| paulproteus | Thank heavens, greg-g! | 22:27 |
| greg-g | I'm never gonna give you up, never gonna let you down, never gonna run around and desert you! | 22:29 |
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