Wednesday, 2008-11-26

nkinkadepaulproteus: a-round?00:07
nkinkadeBovinity: I think zupport is up and running on a git checkout.00:07
Bovinitynkinkade: no fires?00:08
nkinkadeNone that I can readily see.00:09
nkinkadeWhat now remains is for me to create a staging branch for drupal.git.00:09
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paulproteusnkinkade - yay!06:38
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paulproteusMornin'.15:27
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paulproteusHowdy nkinkade.15:33
nkinkadepaulproteus: Hey there.15:35
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paulproteusgreg-g, "All it would take" is spending some time with the C# Banshee API.16:31
paulproteusAnd Gtk#.16:31
paulproteusTo have a nice Banshee plugin.16:31
paulproteusEr, patch.16:31
greg-gpaulproteus: correct16:31
paulproteusIt's probably two days' work for me as someone with not much experience with either.16:31
paulproteusIt's probably 20 minutes' for Aaron, but he really wants someone else to write it.16:31
greg-gas does Gabriel16:31
paulproteusThe last time someone else wrote one, it bitrotted before it could get merged, but this time he's more serious about merging.16:32
* greg-g nods16:32
greg-gis this something you have space on your plate to do?16:32
paulproteusI thought you read "plane," since I'm at JFK right now.16:32
paulproteusPerhaps not, but perhaps if I hide the project from NY I could pull it off. (-;16:32
greg-gheh, sweet16:33
paulproteusHah re: 24/716:33
paulproteusNo, I don't, I just joined it early today.16:33
greg-ggotcha, I ask because there are some people I know who use Skype in that fashion, sort of an ad hoc irc channel (the skype chat feature, not calling, of course)16:34
* paulproteus nods16:35
paulproteusnkinkade, omg bbq re: "fixed it with git commit"16:39
paulproteusBTW, you're going to *love* my evil hack for ODEPO.16:40
nkinkadepaulproteus: I thought you'd like that. :-)16:40
nkinkadeMade me feel all technical and hip.16:40
paulproteusNext thing you know, you'll be wearing hoodies, drinking coffee at Ritual Roasters, and riding a fixie.16:41
nkinkadeI've never worn a hoodie, but I have sipped coffee at Ritual Roasters, and I didn't rid Joi's fixie that once (thought I nearly wrecked when I first got on it).16:42
nkinkade(did ride, not didn't)16:42
nkinkade(ride, not rid) ;-)16:42
paulproteusThere's hope for you still!16:43
* greg-g is wearing a hoodie right now, drinking coffee, and thinking about when to bike down town on his fixie to get some other work done.16:43
greg-gsrsly16:43
* paulproteus is wearing a hoodie, not drinking anything, and wondering when to get to his gate to get on an airplane...16:43
paulproteusIf it helps, it's a really hip hoodie with jellyfish on it.16:44
greg-goh yeah, that one is the hippest hoodies I've seen16:44
greg-gmine is brown and made by Columbia16:44
nkinkadeI used to work for Columbia.16:46
paulproteusI used to hack Colombian rebels.16:46
paulproteusOkay, maybe not.16:46
greg-gnkinkade: 'tis why I shared that fact :)16:49
nkinkadegreg-g: But how sneaky are you that you should have known that bit of trivia.16:50
nkinkadeOr maybe I simply told you over a few beers.16:50
paulproteusOr from under the table.16:50
nkinkadeUnder, rather.16:50
greg-gI do believe beer was involved.16:51
nkinkadeIt always is.16:55
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paulproteusw00t, remaining ODEPO issues fixed, "I think"17:32
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Bovinitynkinkade: was the support.cc tabbar issue related to your git excursions yesterday?17:53
nkinkadeBovinity: Nope.18:01
Bovinityweird.18:01
nkinkadeBovinity: Well, not that I know of.18:01
nkinkadeI didn't touch the live site.18:01
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tozetrehm!18:06
tozetrehello, cc folk.18:06
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nkinkadetozetre: Hi.18:12
tozetreSo, I'm into cc principles. Woo. And since I'm on freenode anyway, I figured I would drop in.18:14
paulproteusNice to have you around!18:14
tozetrehey, thanks.18:14
tozetreI've been getting _more_ into cc recently. I have got a list of Lessig & Doctorow books on my to-buy list now. :P18:15
tozetreIn fact, I am thinking pretty seriously about doing my MA thesis on the subject. ^_^18:16
tozetreSo yeah.18:17
tozetreI probably need more education on the topic, but I'm all fired up about it. Woo.18:17
tozetre /introduction18:18
tozetre /lurk18:18
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nkinkadetozetre: Feel free to lurk.  Most of the conversation in here is between CC technical people.  But now and then someone comes in to ask questions about the licenses or CC,.18:20
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tozetrewhat exactly is a "CC technical people?" Lawerly types?18:21
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nkinkadetozetre: Not lawyers, just members of the CC tech team (programming, application dev., sysadmin), but there are other CC employees in here as well, and always a good number of non-CC employees.18:33
tozetreOooooh, okay.18:34
tozetre:O there's _money_ in CC? Heresy! :D18:34
tozetreIn that case, I'll probably just drop out and head to freeculture. Thanks!18:35
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greg-gwhy would someone choose the 2.0 version of a license instead of the latest 3.0 version?19:42
tonyb486because people like 2 better?19:59
greg-gtonyb486: yes, why would they like it better (I was wondering if there was some drastic change in the legalcode)20:01
applesauceanyone know a good guide about what is or is not considered a "derivative work"?20:02
tonyb486like gplv3 vs gplv2 are quite different20:02
tonyb486I guess20:02
tonyb486maybe nobody told them 3.0 existed20:02
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Bovinitythe deed tells them 3.0 exists20:13
Bovinityblindly copy and pasting a blob of html they got a few years ago20:14
greg-gBovinity: probably not, unfortunately20:20
Bovinityah20:23
nkinkadeapplesauce: I don't know of such a guide regarding derivative works.20:28
paulproteusgreg-g, Have you read http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Version_3 ?20:57
nkinkademecredis: Do you know anything about cc-press@lists.ibiblio.org21:05
nkinkade?21:05
greg-gpaulproteus: I haven't, I will do so21:14
paulproteusIt's my first point of reference for v3 questions in my mind.21:15
greg-gpaulproteus: thanks21:29
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mecredisnkinkade: I've been getting weird bounce messages about that22:28
mecredisif thats what you mean22:28
nkinkademecredis: That was the impetus behind my message.22:28
mecredisother than that22:28
nkinkadeI think we've all be getting them, and it's getting out of hand.22:28
mecredishaven't heard of it22:28
nkinkadeI've written to ibiblio to recover the password.22:28
nkinkadeThat list seems to be ultra old.  Archives are only from 2002.22:29
nkinkadeI think it's safe to deactivate that list, as long as archives stay in place.22:29
nkinkadeI'll verify with mlinksva when I finally can access the admin interface.22:29
mlinksvankinkade: what list are you talking about?22:30
nkinkadecc-press22:30
nkinkadeSeems to be a dead list since 2002.22:30
mlinksvaah, i don't remember what if anything that was used for22:30
nkinkadeProbably superceeded by cc-presslists22:30
mlinksvabefore my time :)22:30
nkinkademlinksva: ibiblio has already got back to me about it.  Is it safe to have them just remove it?  They says the archive from 2002 will remain.22:31
nkinkadeI presume you've been getting the bounce notifications as well.  There's not one mention of the list on teamspace, at least that I could find.22:32
mlinksvasure, if the archives will really remain22:36
nkinkadeI'll have them delete it.22:38
nkinkademlinksva: Got a second for a question about GFDL and BY-SA?22:39
mlinksvasure22:41
nkinkademlinksva:  I've decided to read the FAQ at the GNU site first.  If I still have questions I may come back.22:43
mlinksvaok22:45
mlinksvaif you're really into reading background, read foundation-l archives for the week or so following the announcement22:46
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Bovinitynkinkade: you know, sometimes i really really prefer the centralised nature of svn23:19
Bovinitynkinkade: i hate not knowing if the git repository i have is properly synced23:19
nkinkadeBovinity: Does git pull not sync it?23:20
Bovinitynkinkade: my point is, i'm not sure where the syncing issue is.. and not knowing is apparently the entire battle.23:21
nkinkadeI thought knowing was 1/2 the battle, but this new idea is radical, that not knowing is all the battle.23:22
Bovinitynkinkade: i'm noticing some issues with zupport theme vs support, and i have to issue a fix and don't want to screw the site up23:22
nkinkadeBovinity: What issue came up?23:22
Bovinitynkinkade: theme on zupport is a number of commits behind what support is using23:22
nkinkadeAs far as I saw there was only 1 branch.23:23
nkinkadeLet me log into zupport and see what's up.23:23
nkinkadeOr at least look, because my git skills are still rookie at best.23:23
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nkinkadeBovinity: It might look better now.23:25
nkinkadeThe submodule on zupport was not attached to any remote branch.23:25
nkinkadeI made a local branch called 2008 to track the remote one of the same name, then checkout out 2008.  It said this "1 files changed, 3 insertions(+), 3 deletions(-)"23:26
nkinkadeIt said that when I did git pull.23:26
nkinkadeDoes it look more like what you were expecting?23:27
Bovinitynkinkade: yes!23:28
Bovinitythanks23:28
nkinkadeBovinity: Yesterday was very revealing to me in terms of git.  I learned a lot of new things.23:28
nkinkadeBut I still have a lot to learn.23:28
Bovinitynkinkade: anything worth documenting?23:28
nkinkadeBovinity: I'm not sure.  It was just a side effect of the way that git submodules work, as I understand it.23:30
nkinkadeIf you don't specify a revision then it just checks out HEAD, but "detaches" the HEAD so that your current checkout is a snapshot of the remote, but not a local branch.23:31
nkinkadeSo when I did "git branch" in that submodule it said:23:31
nkinkadet2008$ git branch23:31
nkinkade* (no branch)23:31
nkinkade  master23:31
nkinkadeThen I just did:23:31
nkinkade$ git branch 2008 origin/200823:32
nkinkade$ git checkout 200823:32
nkinkade$ git pull23:32
nkinkadeThis was something paulproteus was showing/explaining to me yesterday.23:32
Bovinityooh23:34
Bovinityand it automaticallyp icked it up as a submodule?23:34
nkinkadeIt was already a submodule, but not tracking any remote branch.23:34
nkinkadeI *think* that now when you run "git submodule update" it should pull from origin/2008.23:35
Bovinitycan i git push this submodule as normal?23:35
nkinkadeBut in any case I guess it's not as simple as "svn up"23:35
nkinkadeBovinity: Yes.23:35
nkinkadeFrom what I understand you can treat it just as if were any old clone/checkout.23:36
Bovinitybut i do submodule update on support/ ?23:36
nkinkadepull, push, edit, commit, add, etc.23:36
nkinkadeBovinity: I suppose if you choose to make edits to the submodule directly, then it wouldn't be necessary to update the submodule, becuase it would already have the newest.23:37
Bovinitynkinkade: i mean on the production side of things.. or would a git pull work just fine?23:37
nkinkadeThis seems reasonable to me, and sort of nice.23:37
nkinkadeOh, on the production side it's not a git submodule yet.23:38
Bovinityahh, ok23:38
nkinkadeI have only implemented the gitted stuff for zupport so far.  I wanted to give it a few days before we did it to production.23:38
nkinkadeBovinity: With that in mind, I wonder if it would be worth the while to do the whole production-staging branch thing?23:39
nkinkadeI guess the one nice thing about git in this case is that you can still commit to the local repository without it affecting production.23:39
nkinkadeAnd then when you're sure it's what you want you can push your commits, then pull on production ... all that without a separate branch.23:40
Bovinitythat is a nice thing about git23:40
nkinkadeBut it might be good to have the separate branch anyway, so that there is no confusion.23:40
Bovinitybut the safety of a remote copy is also good to have23:40
Bovinityright23:40
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Bovinityhmm, "fatal: The remote end hung up unexpectedly" shouldn't be happening when i git push23:43
nkinkadeBovinity: It might if you don't have a public key setup for your user on a9.23:44
nkinkadeThe whole gitosis thing.23:45
Bovinitybut i've been pushing from a9 for months now23:46
nkinkadeWhat dir are you in on a9?23:47
Bovinity /var/www/zupport.creativecommons.org/www/sites/default/themes/support200823:47
paulproteusI don't quite understand what y'all are saying about git submodules.23:48
Bovinityblind leading the partially sighted, probably23:49
paulproteusHeh.23:49
paulproteusKeep in mind that the revision of a submodule is considered part of the tree of the, er, normal module.23:49
paulproteusIt's just a revision ID, not a symbolic branch name.23:49
paulproteusSo it'll always be pinned there until you upgrade it explicitly.23:49
nkinkadeBovinity: There are no changes to be pushed.23:50
Bovinitybut23:50
nkinkadeBut I just did a git pull as your use and it worked.23:50
nkinkade(user)23:50
Bovinitythere's a local change that needs to be pushed remotely23:50
nkinkadegit status doesn't reveal it.23:51
nkinkadeOnly an untracked file style-ie.css~23:51
Bovinitycommit 618653923:51
Bovinityis committed to the local tree23:51
nkinkadeBovinity: I don't see any key for you for a9 in gitosis-admin/keydir23:54
Bovinitybah, nevermind, sorted it from my laptop checkout23:57

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