| nkinkade | paulproteus: a-round? | 00:07 |
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| nkinkade | Bovinity: I think zupport is up and running on a git checkout. | 00:07 |
| Bovinity | nkinkade: no fires? | 00:08 |
| nkinkade | None that I can readily see. | 00:09 |
| nkinkade | What now remains is for me to create a staging branch for drupal.git. | 00:09 |
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| paulproteus | nkinkade - yay! | 06:38 |
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| paulproteus | Mornin'. | 15:27 |
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| paulproteus | Howdy nkinkade. | 15:33 |
| nkinkade | paulproteus: Hey there. | 15:35 |
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| paulproteus | greg-g, "All it would take" is spending some time with the C# Banshee API. | 16:31 |
| paulproteus | And Gtk#. | 16:31 |
| paulproteus | To have a nice Banshee plugin. | 16:31 |
| paulproteus | Er, patch. | 16:31 |
| greg-g | paulproteus: correct | 16:31 |
| paulproteus | It's probably two days' work for me as someone with not much experience with either. | 16:31 |
| paulproteus | It's probably 20 minutes' for Aaron, but he really wants someone else to write it. | 16:31 |
| greg-g | as does Gabriel | 16:31 |
| paulproteus | The last time someone else wrote one, it bitrotted before it could get merged, but this time he's more serious about merging. | 16:32 |
| * greg-g nods | 16:32 | |
| greg-g | is this something you have space on your plate to do? | 16:32 |
| paulproteus | I thought you read "plane," since I'm at JFK right now. | 16:32 |
| paulproteus | Perhaps not, but perhaps if I hide the project from NY I could pull it off. (-; | 16:32 |
| greg-g | heh, sweet | 16:33 |
| paulproteus | Hah re: 24/7 | 16:33 |
| paulproteus | No, I don't, I just joined it early today. | 16:33 |
| greg-g | gotcha, I ask because there are some people I know who use Skype in that fashion, sort of an ad hoc irc channel (the skype chat feature, not calling, of course) | 16:34 |
| * paulproteus nods | 16:35 | |
| paulproteus | nkinkade, omg bbq re: "fixed it with git commit" | 16:39 |
| paulproteus | BTW, you're going to *love* my evil hack for ODEPO. | 16:40 |
| nkinkade | paulproteus: I thought you'd like that. :-) | 16:40 |
| nkinkade | Made me feel all technical and hip. | 16:40 |
| paulproteus | Next thing you know, you'll be wearing hoodies, drinking coffee at Ritual Roasters, and riding a fixie. | 16:41 |
| nkinkade | I've never worn a hoodie, but I have sipped coffee at Ritual Roasters, and I didn't rid Joi's fixie that once (thought I nearly wrecked when I first got on it). | 16:42 |
| nkinkade | (did ride, not didn't) | 16:42 |
| nkinkade | (ride, not rid) ;-) | 16:42 |
| paulproteus | There's hope for you still! | 16:43 |
| * greg-g is wearing a hoodie right now, drinking coffee, and thinking about when to bike down town on his fixie to get some other work done. | 16:43 | |
| greg-g | srsly | 16:43 |
| * paulproteus is wearing a hoodie, not drinking anything, and wondering when to get to his gate to get on an airplane... | 16:43 | |
| paulproteus | If it helps, it's a really hip hoodie with jellyfish on it. | 16:44 |
| greg-g | oh yeah, that one is the hippest hoodies I've seen | 16:44 |
| greg-g | mine is brown and made by Columbia | 16:44 |
| nkinkade | I used to work for Columbia. | 16:46 |
| paulproteus | I used to hack Colombian rebels. | 16:46 |
| paulproteus | Okay, maybe not. | 16:46 |
| greg-g | nkinkade: 'tis why I shared that fact :) | 16:49 |
| nkinkade | greg-g: But how sneaky are you that you should have known that bit of trivia. | 16:50 |
| nkinkade | Or maybe I simply told you over a few beers. | 16:50 |
| paulproteus | Or from under the table. | 16:50 |
| nkinkade | Under, rather. | 16:50 |
| greg-g | I do believe beer was involved. | 16:51 |
| nkinkade | It always is. | 16:55 |
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| paulproteus | w00t, remaining ODEPO issues fixed, "I think" | 17:32 |
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| Bovinity | nkinkade: was the support.cc tabbar issue related to your git excursions yesterday? | 17:53 |
| nkinkade | Bovinity: Nope. | 18:01 |
| Bovinity | weird. | 18:01 |
| nkinkade | Bovinity: Well, not that I know of. | 18:01 |
| nkinkade | I didn't touch the live site. | 18:01 |
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| tozetre | hm! | 18:06 |
| tozetre | hello, cc folk. | 18:06 |
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| nkinkade | tozetre: Hi. | 18:12 |
| tozetre | So, I'm into cc principles. Woo. And since I'm on freenode anyway, I figured I would drop in. | 18:14 |
| paulproteus | Nice to have you around! | 18:14 |
| tozetre | hey, thanks. | 18:14 |
| tozetre | I've been getting _more_ into cc recently. I have got a list of Lessig & Doctorow books on my to-buy list now. :P | 18:15 |
| tozetre | In fact, I am thinking pretty seriously about doing my MA thesis on the subject. ^_^ | 18:16 |
| tozetre | So yeah. | 18:17 |
| tozetre | I probably need more education on the topic, but I'm all fired up about it. Woo. | 18:17 |
| tozetre | /introduction | 18:18 |
| tozetre | /lurk | 18:18 |
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| nkinkade | tozetre: Feel free to lurk. Most of the conversation in here is between CC technical people. But now and then someone comes in to ask questions about the licenses or CC,. | 18:20 |
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| tozetre | what exactly is a "CC technical people?" Lawerly types? | 18:21 |
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| nkinkade | tozetre: Not lawyers, just members of the CC tech team (programming, application dev., sysadmin), but there are other CC employees in here as well, and always a good number of non-CC employees. | 18:33 |
| tozetre | Oooooh, okay. | 18:34 |
| tozetre | :O there's _money_ in CC? Heresy! :D | 18:34 |
| tozetre | In that case, I'll probably just drop out and head to freeculture. Thanks! | 18:35 |
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| greg-g | why would someone choose the 2.0 version of a license instead of the latest 3.0 version? | 19:42 |
| tonyb486 | because people like 2 better? | 19:59 |
| greg-g | tonyb486: yes, why would they like it better (I was wondering if there was some drastic change in the legalcode) | 20:01 |
| applesauce | anyone know a good guide about what is or is not considered a "derivative work"? | 20:02 |
| tonyb486 | like gplv3 vs gplv2 are quite different | 20:02 |
| tonyb486 | I guess | 20:02 |
| tonyb486 | maybe nobody told them 3.0 existed | 20:02 |
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| Bovinity | the deed tells them 3.0 exists | 20:13 |
| Bovinity | blindly copy and pasting a blob of html they got a few years ago | 20:14 |
| greg-g | Bovinity: probably not, unfortunately | 20:20 |
| Bovinity | ah | 20:23 |
| nkinkade | applesauce: I don't know of such a guide regarding derivative works. | 20:28 |
| paulproteus | greg-g, Have you read http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Version_3 ? | 20:57 |
| nkinkade | mecredis: Do you know anything about cc-press@lists.ibiblio.org | 21:05 |
| nkinkade | ? | 21:05 |
| greg-g | paulproteus: I haven't, I will do so | 21:14 |
| paulproteus | It's my first point of reference for v3 questions in my mind. | 21:15 |
| greg-g | paulproteus: thanks | 21:29 |
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| mecredis | nkinkade: I've been getting weird bounce messages about that | 22:28 |
| mecredis | if thats what you mean | 22:28 |
| nkinkade | mecredis: That was the impetus behind my message. | 22:28 |
| mecredis | other than that | 22:28 |
| nkinkade | I think we've all be getting them, and it's getting out of hand. | 22:28 |
| mecredis | haven't heard of it | 22:28 |
| nkinkade | I've written to ibiblio to recover the password. | 22:28 |
| nkinkade | That list seems to be ultra old. Archives are only from 2002. | 22:29 |
| nkinkade | I think it's safe to deactivate that list, as long as archives stay in place. | 22:29 |
| nkinkade | I'll verify with mlinksva when I finally can access the admin interface. | 22:29 |
| mlinksva | nkinkade: what list are you talking about? | 22:30 |
| nkinkade | cc-press | 22:30 |
| nkinkade | Seems to be a dead list since 2002. | 22:30 |
| mlinksva | ah, i don't remember what if anything that was used for | 22:30 |
| nkinkade | Probably superceeded by cc-presslists | 22:30 |
| mlinksva | before my time :) | 22:30 |
| nkinkade | mlinksva: ibiblio has already got back to me about it. Is it safe to have them just remove it? They says the archive from 2002 will remain. | 22:31 |
| nkinkade | I presume you've been getting the bounce notifications as well. There's not one mention of the list on teamspace, at least that I could find. | 22:32 |
| mlinksva | sure, if the archives will really remain | 22:36 |
| nkinkade | I'll have them delete it. | 22:38 |
| nkinkade | mlinksva: Got a second for a question about GFDL and BY-SA? | 22:39 |
| mlinksva | sure | 22:41 |
| nkinkade | mlinksva: I've decided to read the FAQ at the GNU site first. If I still have questions I may come back. | 22:43 |
| mlinksva | ok | 22:45 |
| mlinksva | if you're really into reading background, read foundation-l archives for the week or so following the announcement | 22:46 |
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| Bovinity | nkinkade: you know, sometimes i really really prefer the centralised nature of svn | 23:19 |
| Bovinity | nkinkade: i hate not knowing if the git repository i have is properly synced | 23:19 |
| nkinkade | Bovinity: Does git pull not sync it? | 23:20 |
| Bovinity | nkinkade: my point is, i'm not sure where the syncing issue is.. and not knowing is apparently the entire battle. | 23:21 |
| nkinkade | I thought knowing was 1/2 the battle, but this new idea is radical, that not knowing is all the battle. | 23:22 |
| Bovinity | nkinkade: i'm noticing some issues with zupport theme vs support, and i have to issue a fix and don't want to screw the site up | 23:22 |
| nkinkade | Bovinity: What issue came up? | 23:22 |
| Bovinity | nkinkade: theme on zupport is a number of commits behind what support is using | 23:22 |
| nkinkade | As far as I saw there was only 1 branch. | 23:23 |
| nkinkade | Let me log into zupport and see what's up. | 23:23 |
| nkinkade | Or at least look, because my git skills are still rookie at best. | 23:23 |
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| nkinkade | Bovinity: It might look better now. | 23:25 |
| nkinkade | The submodule on zupport was not attached to any remote branch. | 23:25 |
| nkinkade | I made a local branch called 2008 to track the remote one of the same name, then checkout out 2008. It said this "1 files changed, 3 insertions(+), 3 deletions(-)" | 23:26 |
| nkinkade | It said that when I did git pull. | 23:26 |
| nkinkade | Does it look more like what you were expecting? | 23:27 |
| Bovinity | nkinkade: yes! | 23:28 |
| Bovinity | thanks | 23:28 |
| nkinkade | Bovinity: Yesterday was very revealing to me in terms of git. I learned a lot of new things. | 23:28 |
| nkinkade | But I still have a lot to learn. | 23:28 |
| Bovinity | nkinkade: anything worth documenting? | 23:28 |
| nkinkade | Bovinity: I'm not sure. It was just a side effect of the way that git submodules work, as I understand it. | 23:30 |
| nkinkade | If you don't specify a revision then it just checks out HEAD, but "detaches" the HEAD so that your current checkout is a snapshot of the remote, but not a local branch. | 23:31 |
| nkinkade | So when I did "git branch" in that submodule it said: | 23:31 |
| nkinkade | t2008$ git branch | 23:31 |
| nkinkade | * (no branch) | 23:31 |
| nkinkade | master | 23:31 |
| nkinkade | Then I just did: | 23:31 |
| nkinkade | $ git branch 2008 origin/2008 | 23:32 |
| nkinkade | $ git checkout 2008 | 23:32 |
| nkinkade | $ git pull | 23:32 |
| nkinkade | This was something paulproteus was showing/explaining to me yesterday. | 23:32 |
| Bovinity | ooh | 23:34 |
| Bovinity | and it automaticallyp icked it up as a submodule? | 23:34 |
| nkinkade | It was already a submodule, but not tracking any remote branch. | 23:34 |
| nkinkade | I *think* that now when you run "git submodule update" it should pull from origin/2008. | 23:35 |
| Bovinity | can i git push this submodule as normal? | 23:35 |
| nkinkade | But in any case I guess it's not as simple as "svn up" | 23:35 |
| nkinkade | Bovinity: Yes. | 23:35 |
| nkinkade | From what I understand you can treat it just as if were any old clone/checkout. | 23:36 |
| Bovinity | but i do submodule update on support/ ? | 23:36 |
| nkinkade | pull, push, edit, commit, add, etc. | 23:36 |
| nkinkade | Bovinity: I suppose if you choose to make edits to the submodule directly, then it wouldn't be necessary to update the submodule, becuase it would already have the newest. | 23:37 |
| Bovinity | nkinkade: i mean on the production side of things.. or would a git pull work just fine? | 23:37 |
| nkinkade | This seems reasonable to me, and sort of nice. | 23:37 |
| nkinkade | Oh, on the production side it's not a git submodule yet. | 23:38 |
| Bovinity | ahh, ok | 23:38 |
| nkinkade | I have only implemented the gitted stuff for zupport so far. I wanted to give it a few days before we did it to production. | 23:38 |
| nkinkade | Bovinity: With that in mind, I wonder if it would be worth the while to do the whole production-staging branch thing? | 23:39 |
| nkinkade | I guess the one nice thing about git in this case is that you can still commit to the local repository without it affecting production. | 23:39 |
| nkinkade | And then when you're sure it's what you want you can push your commits, then pull on production ... all that without a separate branch. | 23:40 |
| Bovinity | that is a nice thing about git | 23:40 |
| nkinkade | But it might be good to have the separate branch anyway, so that there is no confusion. | 23:40 |
| Bovinity | but the safety of a remote copy is also good to have | 23:40 |
| Bovinity | right | 23:40 |
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| Bovinity | hmm, "fatal: The remote end hung up unexpectedly" shouldn't be happening when i git push | 23:43 |
| nkinkade | Bovinity: It might if you don't have a public key setup for your user on a9. | 23:44 |
| nkinkade | The whole gitosis thing. | 23:45 |
| Bovinity | but i've been pushing from a9 for months now | 23:46 |
| nkinkade | What dir are you in on a9? | 23:47 |
| Bovinity | /var/www/zupport.creativecommons.org/www/sites/default/themes/support2008 | 23:47 |
| paulproteus | I don't quite understand what y'all are saying about git submodules. | 23:48 |
| Bovinity | blind leading the partially sighted, probably | 23:49 |
| paulproteus | Heh. | 23:49 |
| paulproteus | Keep in mind that the revision of a submodule is considered part of the tree of the, er, normal module. | 23:49 |
| paulproteus | It's just a revision ID, not a symbolic branch name. | 23:49 |
| paulproteus | So it'll always be pinned there until you upgrade it explicitly. | 23:49 |
| nkinkade | Bovinity: There are no changes to be pushed. | 23:50 |
| Bovinity | but | 23:50 |
| nkinkade | But I just did a git pull as your use and it worked. | 23:50 |
| nkinkade | (user) | 23:50 |
| Bovinity | there's a local change that needs to be pushed remotely | 23:50 |
| nkinkade | git status doesn't reveal it. | 23:51 |
| nkinkade | Only an untracked file style-ie.css~ | 23:51 |
| Bovinity | commit 6186539 | 23:51 |
| Bovinity | is committed to the local tree | 23:51 |
| nkinkade | Bovinity: I don't see any key for you for a9 in gitosis-admin/keydir | 23:54 |
| Bovinity | bah, nevermind, sorted it from my laptop checkout | 23:57 |
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