Friday, 2008-11-14

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shyam_ki have been trying to download the cc videos like reticulum rex and all.. but videos stop downloading in the middle..02:11
shyam_kare the incomplete in upload itself?02:11
shyam_ki am trying to download the theora versions..02:11
shyam_kall videos i got are below 2 mins..02:12
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KwitschiboHi... there are some icons under cc by-nc license... non commercial usage... is the integration in an online shop commercial usere or only if if would sell the icons?13:28
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woozy_hows it goin?16:38
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nkinkadew00zy: Fine.  How are you?16:41
nkinkademlinksva_: Would you be amenable to me going ahead and making some changes to /contact to better highlight FAQs in an attempt to head of a lot of repeated questions?16:45
nkinkadeI suppose I could do it on staging so that it could be reviewed first.16:46
nkinkadeI don't know if this is something that is already in the queue for Alex or someone else.16:46
mlinksva_please do it on staging16:47
mlinksva_i imagine when it is up the new about section alex is working on might be more prominently featured on /contact ... or maybe contact is even part of it16:48
mlinksva_you should tell your plans to alex in case there's any synchronization16:48
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w00zyI am wondering how much control I have over the license. Can the CC allow me to state:17:45
w00zyYou can use this as much as you want, you can create software using it, you can sell your software that uses my library,17:46
w00zyif you sell your software my library stays as is with the same license,17:46
w00zybut you cannot sell my library.?17:46
nkinkadew00zy: CC actively discourages people from apply the CC licenses to software.17:47
w00zycan I ask for a short reason why?17:48
nkinkadehttp://wiki.creativecommons.org/FAQ#Can_I_use_a_Creative_Commons_license_for_software.3F17:48
nkinkadeAnd: http://wiki.creativecommons.org/FFAQ#Can_I_license_software_using_CC_licenses.3F17:48
w00zythank you17:53
Bovinitynkinkade: does the sf office router have dd-wrt/openwrt or anything, or is it stock?17:56
nkinkadeBovinity: OpenWRT.17:57
nkinkadeIs it having a problem?17:57
Bovinitynkinkade: random wifi connection issues, nothing consistant17:58
Bovinitynkinkade: well, actually, i take that back. DHCP is being weird, soem computers don't always receive it.17:59
nkinkadeBovinity: for everyone or just you?17:59
Bovinitynkinkade: for the imac, ani's, melissa's, kevin's pc laptop.17:59
nkinkadeThere used to be consistent problems when we were using WPA, but since moving it WEP many many months ago the problems more or less went away.17:59
Bovinitynkinkade: nobody else is experiencing any connection problems18:00
nkinkadeHmm.18:00
Bovinitymaybe if dhcp leases start expiring more problems may appear18:00
nkinkadeAre you saying the problem is at the IP level?18:01
Bovinitynkinkade: well from what i saw on the network settings, the comptuers would receive an ip, but no router or dns IPs18:01
Bovinitynkinkade: if i set them up manually, there's no problem18:01
nkinkadeStrange.  You could look at the logs on the route.18:02
Bovinityooh, it's doing it for jen now18:02
nkinkadeIs the problem at all reproduceable?18:02
nkinkadeIf it's reproduceable then I could watch the logs while someone attempts to renew.18:04
nkinkadeI see a number of DHCP requests, offers and acks in the logs right now.18:05
mecredisBovinity: nkinkade  is there a good way to make others allowed to see my drafts?18:05
mecredislike melissa can't see a preview of my posts18:05
mecredisbut eric can18:05
mecredison wordpress18:05
nkinkademecredis: Do you mean that they presently can't?18:06
mecredisif I save a post18:06
mecredisbut its not published yet18:06
mecredisI can send the link to eric and he'll get a preview18:06
mecredisbut melissa won't18:06
nkinkadeBovinity: Can Wordpress "authors" view others drafts?  I guess not.18:06
mecredisits a perms thing18:07
Bovinitynkinkade: "authors", no18:07
nkinkademecredis: Let me looks at the diff. between Melissa's and Eric's perms.18:07
mecredisok18:07
Bovinitymel probably isn't an editor18:07
mecredisindeed.18:08
nkinkademecredis: Bovinity:  Yeah, Mel is only an Author.  Shall I make her an Editor?18:08
mecrediswhy not18:08
Bovinitynkinkade: yeah18:08
nkinkademecredis: Dones.  Mel should now be able to see the preview.18:09
mecredisso thanks18:09
mecredisguys18:09
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Bovinitymecredis: i'd say use the smaller memory stick picture, for that blog post18:10
nkinkadeBovinity: I do see, for example, that 00:1e:c2:aa:32:69 tried to request 10.0.2.53 multiple times, and was NACK'ed as many, until if finally accepted the 10.0.2.200 that the router wanted to give it.18:10
Bovinitynkinkade: asheesh just fixed it18:11
paulproteus/etc/init.d/dnsmasq restart # oops, no more ability to diagnose18:12
paulproteusThat's what I did.18:12
nkinkadeWell, if it's fixed then I guess that's all that matters for now, unless it starts happening frequently.18:13
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nkinkadeAnd I'm not aware that this has happened before.18:13
paulproteusMuahahahi.18:15
paulproteusnkinkade, I agree; that's fine for now.18:15
mecredisBovinity: OK18:30
mecrediseyes hurt?18:31
Bovinityhaha18:31
Bovinity:P18:31
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nkinkadeBovinity: What sort of changes do you have in mind for /contact?21:32
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nkinkadeIs there a list?21:33
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Bovinitynkinkade: for /contact? there is no list yet21:36
Bovinitynkinkade: your South Africa licennsing question did a raise an issue to me about licensing in general21:37
nkinkadeZA?21:37
nkinkadeWhich question was that?21:37
Bovinitysomething about "can i license my copyright" or something... and you said "check your local copyright laws" (paraphrase).21:38
nkinkadeWas it here in #cc?21:38
Bovinityit was a contact form email21:38
nkinkadeHow did you end up with a copy?21:38
nkinkadeOh, webmaster?21:38
Bovinityyeah21:39
nkinkadeDid something I said not seem right?21:39
Bovinityno, as it is, what you said was right21:39
nkinkadeOr what issue did it raise for you?21:39
Bovinitybut it shouldn't be that way21:39
Bovinityimo, saying "check your copyright laws" is bad, and raises the bar for CC licenses21:39
Bovinitybut right now, there isn't anthing else we can say21:40
nkinkadeBovinity: I frequently say that so the people understand that there are subtle differences in the copyright laws between countries, and also as a slight implicit disclaimer.21:41
Bovinityif we could get affiliates to document local copyright laws in some fashion, we could make it easier to be clearer about CC + Copyright21:41
nkinkadeBovinity: I'm looking at this CSS stuff with regard to the Deeds.21:45
Bovinitynkinkade: yep21:46
nkinkadeAm I wrong or will it be implemented like class="license nc jp" and the jp class will be defined later than the nc one, such that it overrides whatever the default is?21:47
nkinkadeOr have I misunderstood what Nathan was talking about?21:47
Bovinitynkinkade: no, we provide the country code in the top level div... <div id="deed" class="jp">21:47
Bovinitynkinkade: then in the css file we say .jp .nc { [jp nc icon url here] }21:47
nkinkadeBovinity: Thanks.  That makes sense.21:48
nkinkadeBovinity: But Bovinity won't that require us to have a class defined for every jurisdiction?21:49
nkinkadeOh, nevermind.21:50
Bovinity;)21:50
nkinkadeBovinity: Do you want it in deed-main or deed-main-content?21:51
Bovinitynkinkade: deed, deed-main, deed-main-content are all fine. it'll cascade down from any of them.21:55
nkinkadeBovinity: Do you know the relationship between licenses/standard_templates/deed.pt and macros_templates/deed.pt?21:56
Bovinitynkinkade: macros_templates one is the overall shell template; the other one inserts the actual license properties21:56
nkinkadeIt somewhat looks like the former supplies the body and the latter the outer shell.21:56
Bovinityright ;)21:56
Bovinityi also just tried to tab complete macros_templates... oops.21:57
nkinkadeBut why does the body one contain all the HTML document structure.21:57
Bovinityit doesn't21:57
Bovinityreally21:57
nkinkadeIt's got a DOCTYPE and everything.21:57
Bovinityit's a zope/tal thing21:57
nkinkadeThis is a bit convoluted.21:57
Bovinityit all gets merged together into what you see at the end21:57
Bovinityyes21:57
nkinkadeEvery time I work with the cc.engine I find myself doing an inordinate amount of grep -r21:58
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paulproteusI find "git grep" to be a little more fun than "grep -r".21:58
nkinkadepaulproteus: You would.21:58
nkinkade;-)21:58
sluxhi folks21:59
nkinkadeBut cc.engine is in svn.21:59
sluxi have a little question21:59
paulproteusHello slux.21:59
nkinkadeI guess you're answer, paulproteus, would be git-svn! :-)21:59
paulproteusIt's what I"m doing for Pootle!21:59
sluxcan i use an iconset in CC-Share Alike on a closed source application?21:59
nkinkadeslux: Two things come to mind.22:00
nkinkadeFirst, you'd have to determine whether your use was considered a derivative work or a "collection", as to whether the SA term kicks in.22:00
sluxumm i want use some icons in a window application22:01
nkinkadeSecondly, it goes without saying, but the copyright holder must be given attribution somehow.22:01
paulproteusI'm not a lawyer, and this is not legal advice, but that seems fine to me so long as you appropriately credit the icon collection.22:01
sluxyes i know :)22:01
nkinkadeslux: What does and doesn't constitute a derivate work is a matter of much debate.22:01
paulproteusnkinkade, For this I don't think it really is.22:02
paulproteusThis is just a collective work, it seems to me.22:02
sluxok.. thanks a thousend guys :)22:02
nkinkadepaulproteus: If that's how it seems to you, that's okay.22:02
paulproteusAs you can see nkinkade disagree on if there's disagreement! (-;22:02
nkinkadeI think you're probably right, but I always leave that as an exercise to the person wanting to use the work.22:03
nkinkadeI've got my info@ hat on, and I rarely give my opinion in that way.22:04
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nkinkadeIf I weren't an employee of CC then I'd be more likely to make my best guesses and offer them up.  But seeing as that's not the case, I stay neutral.22:05
paulproteusSounds good to me.  nkinkade's got his hat screwed on straight.22:05
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nkinkadeslux: To give you a better idea, check out sections 1(a) and 1(b) of this license: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/legalcode22:06
sluxok :) ty22:07
paulproteusBovinity, http://www.digital-web.com/articles/everything_you_know_about_CSS_Is_wrong/22:17
paulproteusWhy did no one tell me about "  display: table-cell;22:17
paulproteus" !?22:17
Bovinityi recently discovered inline-block22:19
paulproteusI hear this doesn't work on IE < 8.22:22
paulproteusBut does it work everywhere else?22:22
paulproteusIf so, screw IE users.22:22
Bovinityi think firefox has supported it for, oh, forever22:22
Bovinitybring on css3, with specifications for columns22:22
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nkinkadeBovinity: So are you in favor of a special cci CSS file, or do you think we should just append the stuff to deed3.css?22:54
Bovinitynkinkade: i vote for cci css... to avoid bloating deed3.css any more22:55
nkinkadeBovinity: I'm cool with that.  it would be a cleaner implementation, but another round trip!22:55
nkinkade;-)22:55
Bovinityquite. :P22:56
paulproteusWhy doesn't everyone just design everything in two ways: real stupid tables for IE <= 7, and div fake tables for everyone else?23:01
paulproteusIt would be easy to autoconvert between those, too.23:01
paulproteusYou could write a SAX filter for it.23:02
Bovinityi dunno, tableless layouts work just fine23:02
paulproteusThey still blow my mind and I can never get them right.23:03
paulproteusPerhaps I'm just an old fogey.23:03
Bovinity:P23:03
nkinkadeI've always found this site to be useful: http://positioniseverything.net/23:04
Bovinityexcept when you look at the  monobook wiki theme... and wonder, wtf were they thinking23:05
nkinkadeThat theme dumbfounds me.23:06
nkinkadeIt couldn't be harder to read or edit.23:07
Bovinityguess what i'm reading and/or editing right now.23:07
nkinkadeThere are more <?php ?> tags in there than you can shake a stick at.23:07
nkinkadeI once got frustrated and endeavored to clean it up.  After about an hour I gave up.23:08
paulproteusSomewhat OT: http://tmbw.net/wiki/Main_Page looks gorgeous.23:08
Bovinitynice23:08
paulproteusnkinkade, Is the AJAXification of e.g. http://a7.creativecommons.org:8090/af/cc_org/cc_org.po?translate=1&view=1 (username/password admin/admin) a new feature of Mozootle or something that's been around a while?23:09
nkinkadepaulproteus: I haven't looked at that page yet, but I'm not aware that there is any AJAX in Pootle, at least not the version we have.23:10
nkinkadeI'm not logged in, but I'm not seeing what you are, I think.23:11
paulproteusRight, so log in.23:11
paulproteusadmin/admin23:11
nkinkadepaulproteus: What AJAX?23:15
nkinkadeBovinity: When you edit macros_templates/deed.pt is there anything special you need to do to put it into effect?23:16
nkinkadeWhat this the root of your question the other day?  (about Varnish)23:16
paulproteusnkinkade, Double-click on "add translation" somewhere.23:17
nkinkadepaulproteus: Sorry, I was only single clicking.23:17
paulproteusNo trouble.23:17
nkinkadeNo, I don't think that functionality is in Pootle.  if it is I didn't know, but I never tried a double click, either.23:17
* paulproteus nods23:18
paulproteusIt'd be cool if you'd check, mostly for my curiosity (and so we can announce things that are new, if they are!).23:18
Bovinitynkinkade: on staging? restart cc_engine23:18
Bovinitynkinkade: cc_engine script in /var/www/staging.*/cc.engine/bin23:19
nkinkadepaulproteus: I just checked and that does exist in Pootle.23:19
nkinkadeWho knew?!23:19
nkinkadeBovinity: Right.  I've been restarting it to no effect.23:19
paulproteusnkinkade, Neat.23:20
nkinkadeBovinity: There is something janky about ./bin/cc_engine.23:23
paulproteusI just un-janked it a little, I thought.23:24
nkinkade./bin/cc_engine wouldn't stop cc.engine.  I had to to manually kill it, and then when I restarted the cc.engine my changes were there.23:24
paulproteusAre you guys "su"ing to nathan?23:24
nkinkadepaulproteus: No.23:24
paulproteus'Cause that's what I do re: staging.23:24
nkinkadeShould I be?23:24
paulproteusI suggest doing that.23:24
nkinkadeI guess I could try that.  I was sudo'ing it.23:24
nkinkadeAnd that seems to have worked in the past.23:24
Bovinityoh, i thought it was running as root23:24
paulproteusReally I'd rather just have it be a separate UID and have everyone su - staging.23:24
nkinkadeThat would be better for sure.23:25
nkinkadeBut I'm happy to have it run as nathan, in the meantime.23:25
nkinkadeI'll try your advice paulproteus.23:25
paulproteusPlease do, as my automatic staging i18n updater assumes it's running as nathany.23:27
paulproteusEr, nathan.23:27
nkinkadeOh!  The thing is running as root right now, but I'll change that now.23:28
paulproteusI didn't have the heart to make an svn post-commit hook su to root to do things, so it sus to nathan instead.23:29
nkinkadeBovinity: http://staging.creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/3.0/nl/23:37
Bovinitynkinkade: cool23:37
nkinkadeThat's handled by CSS now.  I added a file called jurisdictions.css to the includes dir.23:37
Bovinitynifty23:41
Bovinityi'll fix up that crazy NC icon i've been meaning to do for a while then.23:42
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Bovinitynkinkade: neat, that zipped freehand thing they sent was their brochure, not the NC icon23:46
Bovinitynkinkade: nevermind, i found it, eventually23:48

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