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| shyam_k | i have been trying to download the cc videos like reticulum rex and all.. but videos stop downloading in the middle.. | 02:11 |
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| shyam_k | are the incomplete in upload itself? | 02:11 |
| shyam_k | i am trying to download the theora versions.. | 02:11 |
| shyam_k | all videos i got are below 2 mins.. | 02:12 |
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| Kwitschibo | Hi... there are some icons under cc by-nc license... non commercial usage... is the integration in an online shop commercial usere or only if if would sell the icons? | 13:28 |
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| woozy_ | hows it goin? | 16:38 |
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| nkinkade | w00zy: Fine. How are you? | 16:41 |
| nkinkade | mlinksva_: Would you be amenable to me going ahead and making some changes to /contact to better highlight FAQs in an attempt to head of a lot of repeated questions? | 16:45 |
| nkinkade | I suppose I could do it on staging so that it could be reviewed first. | 16:46 |
| nkinkade | I don't know if this is something that is already in the queue for Alex or someone else. | 16:46 |
| mlinksva_ | please do it on staging | 16:47 |
| mlinksva_ | i imagine when it is up the new about section alex is working on might be more prominently featured on /contact ... or maybe contact is even part of it | 16:48 |
| mlinksva_ | you should tell your plans to alex in case there's any synchronization | 16:48 |
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| w00zy | I am wondering how much control I have over the license. Can the CC allow me to state: | 17:45 |
| w00zy | You can use this as much as you want, you can create software using it, you can sell your software that uses my library, | 17:46 |
| w00zy | if you sell your software my library stays as is with the same license, | 17:46 |
| w00zy | but you cannot sell my library.? | 17:46 |
| nkinkade | w00zy: CC actively discourages people from apply the CC licenses to software. | 17:47 |
| w00zy | can I ask for a short reason why? | 17:48 |
| nkinkade | http://wiki.creativecommons.org/FAQ#Can_I_use_a_Creative_Commons_license_for_software.3F | 17:48 |
| nkinkade | And: http://wiki.creativecommons.org/FFAQ#Can_I_license_software_using_CC_licenses.3F | 17:48 |
| w00zy | thank you | 17:53 |
| Bovinity | nkinkade: does the sf office router have dd-wrt/openwrt or anything, or is it stock? | 17:56 |
| nkinkade | Bovinity: OpenWRT. | 17:57 |
| nkinkade | Is it having a problem? | 17:57 |
| Bovinity | nkinkade: random wifi connection issues, nothing consistant | 17:58 |
| Bovinity | nkinkade: well, actually, i take that back. DHCP is being weird, soem computers don't always receive it. | 17:59 |
| nkinkade | Bovinity: for everyone or just you? | 17:59 |
| Bovinity | nkinkade: for the imac, ani's, melissa's, kevin's pc laptop. | 17:59 |
| nkinkade | There used to be consistent problems when we were using WPA, but since moving it WEP many many months ago the problems more or less went away. | 17:59 |
| Bovinity | nkinkade: nobody else is experiencing any connection problems | 18:00 |
| nkinkade | Hmm. | 18:00 |
| Bovinity | maybe if dhcp leases start expiring more problems may appear | 18:00 |
| nkinkade | Are you saying the problem is at the IP level? | 18:01 |
| Bovinity | nkinkade: well from what i saw on the network settings, the comptuers would receive an ip, but no router or dns IPs | 18:01 |
| Bovinity | nkinkade: if i set them up manually, there's no problem | 18:01 |
| nkinkade | Strange. You could look at the logs on the route. | 18:02 |
| Bovinity | ooh, it's doing it for jen now | 18:02 |
| nkinkade | Is the problem at all reproduceable? | 18:02 |
| nkinkade | If it's reproduceable then I could watch the logs while someone attempts to renew. | 18:04 |
| nkinkade | I see a number of DHCP requests, offers and acks in the logs right now. | 18:05 |
| mecredis | Bovinity: nkinkade is there a good way to make others allowed to see my drafts? | 18:05 |
| mecredis | like melissa can't see a preview of my posts | 18:05 |
| mecredis | but eric can | 18:05 |
| mecredis | on wordpress | 18:05 |
| nkinkade | mecredis: Do you mean that they presently can't? | 18:06 |
| mecredis | if I save a post | 18:06 |
| mecredis | but its not published yet | 18:06 |
| mecredis | I can send the link to eric and he'll get a preview | 18:06 |
| mecredis | but melissa won't | 18:06 |
| nkinkade | Bovinity: Can Wordpress "authors" view others drafts? I guess not. | 18:06 |
| mecredis | its a perms thing | 18:07 |
| Bovinity | nkinkade: "authors", no | 18:07 |
| nkinkade | mecredis: Let me looks at the diff. between Melissa's and Eric's perms. | 18:07 |
| mecredis | ok | 18:07 |
| Bovinity | mel probably isn't an editor | 18:07 |
| mecredis | indeed. | 18:08 |
| nkinkade | mecredis: Bovinity: Yeah, Mel is only an Author. Shall I make her an Editor? | 18:08 |
| mecredis | why not | 18:08 |
| Bovinity | nkinkade: yeah | 18:08 |
| nkinkade | mecredis: Dones. Mel should now be able to see the preview. | 18:09 |
| mecredis | so thanks | 18:09 |
| mecredis | guys | 18:09 |
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| Bovinity | mecredis: i'd say use the smaller memory stick picture, for that blog post | 18:10 |
| nkinkade | Bovinity: I do see, for example, that 00:1e:c2:aa:32:69 tried to request 10.0.2.53 multiple times, and was NACK'ed as many, until if finally accepted the 10.0.2.200 that the router wanted to give it. | 18:10 |
| Bovinity | nkinkade: asheesh just fixed it | 18:11 |
| paulproteus | /etc/init.d/dnsmasq restart # oops, no more ability to diagnose | 18:12 |
| paulproteus | That's what I did. | 18:12 |
| nkinkade | Well, if it's fixed then I guess that's all that matters for now, unless it starts happening frequently. | 18:13 |
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| nkinkade | And I'm not aware that this has happened before. | 18:13 |
| paulproteus | Muahahahi. | 18:15 |
| paulproteus | nkinkade, I agree; that's fine for now. | 18:15 |
| mecredis | Bovinity: OK | 18:30 |
| mecredis | eyes hurt? | 18:31 |
| Bovinity | haha | 18:31 |
| Bovinity | :P | 18:31 |
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| nkinkade | Bovinity: What sort of changes do you have in mind for /contact? | 21:32 |
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| nkinkade | Is there a list? | 21:33 |
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| Bovinity | nkinkade: for /contact? there is no list yet | 21:36 |
| Bovinity | nkinkade: your South Africa licennsing question did a raise an issue to me about licensing in general | 21:37 |
| nkinkade | ZA? | 21:37 |
| nkinkade | Which question was that? | 21:37 |
| Bovinity | something about "can i license my copyright" or something... and you said "check your local copyright laws" (paraphrase). | 21:38 |
| nkinkade | Was it here in #cc? | 21:38 |
| Bovinity | it was a contact form email | 21:38 |
| nkinkade | How did you end up with a copy? | 21:38 |
| nkinkade | Oh, webmaster? | 21:38 |
| Bovinity | yeah | 21:39 |
| nkinkade | Did something I said not seem right? | 21:39 |
| Bovinity | no, as it is, what you said was right | 21:39 |
| nkinkade | Or what issue did it raise for you? | 21:39 |
| Bovinity | but it shouldn't be that way | 21:39 |
| Bovinity | imo, saying "check your copyright laws" is bad, and raises the bar for CC licenses | 21:39 |
| Bovinity | but right now, there isn't anthing else we can say | 21:40 |
| nkinkade | Bovinity: I frequently say that so the people understand that there are subtle differences in the copyright laws between countries, and also as a slight implicit disclaimer. | 21:41 |
| Bovinity | if we could get affiliates to document local copyright laws in some fashion, we could make it easier to be clearer about CC + Copyright | 21:41 |
| nkinkade | Bovinity: I'm looking at this CSS stuff with regard to the Deeds. | 21:45 |
| Bovinity | nkinkade: yep | 21:46 |
| nkinkade | Am I wrong or will it be implemented like class="license nc jp" and the jp class will be defined later than the nc one, such that it overrides whatever the default is? | 21:47 |
| nkinkade | Or have I misunderstood what Nathan was talking about? | 21:47 |
| Bovinity | nkinkade: no, we provide the country code in the top level div... <div id="deed" class="jp"> | 21:47 |
| Bovinity | nkinkade: then in the css file we say .jp .nc { [jp nc icon url here] } | 21:47 |
| nkinkade | Bovinity: Thanks. That makes sense. | 21:48 |
| nkinkade | Bovinity: But Bovinity won't that require us to have a class defined for every jurisdiction? | 21:49 |
| nkinkade | Oh, nevermind. | 21:50 |
| Bovinity | ;) | 21:50 |
| nkinkade | Bovinity: Do you want it in deed-main or deed-main-content? | 21:51 |
| Bovinity | nkinkade: deed, deed-main, deed-main-content are all fine. it'll cascade down from any of them. | 21:55 |
| nkinkade | Bovinity: Do you know the relationship between licenses/standard_templates/deed.pt and macros_templates/deed.pt? | 21:56 |
| Bovinity | nkinkade: macros_templates one is the overall shell template; the other one inserts the actual license properties | 21:56 |
| nkinkade | It somewhat looks like the former supplies the body and the latter the outer shell. | 21:56 |
| Bovinity | right ;) | 21:56 |
| Bovinity | i also just tried to tab complete macros_templates... oops. | 21:57 |
| nkinkade | But why does the body one contain all the HTML document structure. | 21:57 |
| Bovinity | it doesn't | 21:57 |
| Bovinity | really | 21:57 |
| nkinkade | It's got a DOCTYPE and everything. | 21:57 |
| Bovinity | it's a zope/tal thing | 21:57 |
| nkinkade | This is a bit convoluted. | 21:57 |
| Bovinity | it all gets merged together into what you see at the end | 21:57 |
| Bovinity | yes | 21:57 |
| nkinkade | Every time I work with the cc.engine I find myself doing an inordinate amount of grep -r | 21:58 |
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| paulproteus | I find "git grep" to be a little more fun than "grep -r". | 21:58 |
| nkinkade | paulproteus: You would. | 21:58 |
| nkinkade | ;-) | 21:58 |
| slux | hi folks | 21:59 |
| nkinkade | But cc.engine is in svn. | 21:59 |
| slux | i have a little question | 21:59 |
| paulproteus | Hello slux. | 21:59 |
| nkinkade | I guess you're answer, paulproteus, would be git-svn! :-) | 21:59 |
| paulproteus | It's what I"m doing for Pootle! | 21:59 |
| slux | can i use an iconset in CC-Share Alike on a closed source application? | 21:59 |
| nkinkade | slux: Two things come to mind. | 22:00 |
| nkinkade | First, you'd have to determine whether your use was considered a derivative work or a "collection", as to whether the SA term kicks in. | 22:00 |
| slux | umm i want use some icons in a window application | 22:01 |
| nkinkade | Secondly, it goes without saying, but the copyright holder must be given attribution somehow. | 22:01 |
| paulproteus | I'm not a lawyer, and this is not legal advice, but that seems fine to me so long as you appropriately credit the icon collection. | 22:01 |
| slux | yes i know :) | 22:01 |
| nkinkade | slux: What does and doesn't constitute a derivate work is a matter of much debate. | 22:01 |
| paulproteus | nkinkade, For this I don't think it really is. | 22:02 |
| paulproteus | This is just a collective work, it seems to me. | 22:02 |
| slux | ok.. thanks a thousend guys :) | 22:02 |
| nkinkade | paulproteus: If that's how it seems to you, that's okay. | 22:02 |
| paulproteus | As you can see nkinkade disagree on if there's disagreement! (-; | 22:02 |
| nkinkade | I think you're probably right, but I always leave that as an exercise to the person wanting to use the work. | 22:03 |
| nkinkade | I've got my info@ hat on, and I rarely give my opinion in that way. | 22:04 |
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| nkinkade | If I weren't an employee of CC then I'd be more likely to make my best guesses and offer them up. But seeing as that's not the case, I stay neutral. | 22:05 |
| paulproteus | Sounds good to me. nkinkade's got his hat screwed on straight. | 22:05 |
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| nkinkade | slux: To give you a better idea, check out sections 1(a) and 1(b) of this license: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/legalcode | 22:06 |
| slux | ok :) ty | 22:07 |
| paulproteus | Bovinity, http://www.digital-web.com/articles/everything_you_know_about_CSS_Is_wrong/ | 22:17 |
| paulproteus | Why did no one tell me about " display: table-cell; | 22:17 |
| paulproteus | " !? | 22:17 |
| Bovinity | i recently discovered inline-block | 22:19 |
| paulproteus | I hear this doesn't work on IE < 8. | 22:22 |
| paulproteus | But does it work everywhere else? | 22:22 |
| paulproteus | If so, screw IE users. | 22:22 |
| Bovinity | i think firefox has supported it for, oh, forever | 22:22 |
| Bovinity | bring on css3, with specifications for columns | 22:22 |
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| nkinkade | Bovinity: So are you in favor of a special cci CSS file, or do you think we should just append the stuff to deed3.css? | 22:54 |
| Bovinity | nkinkade: i vote for cci css... to avoid bloating deed3.css any more | 22:55 |
| nkinkade | Bovinity: I'm cool with that. it would be a cleaner implementation, but another round trip! | 22:55 |
| nkinkade | ;-) | 22:55 |
| Bovinity | quite. :P | 22:56 |
| paulproteus | Why doesn't everyone just design everything in two ways: real stupid tables for IE <= 7, and div fake tables for everyone else? | 23:01 |
| paulproteus | It would be easy to autoconvert between those, too. | 23:01 |
| paulproteus | You could write a SAX filter for it. | 23:02 |
| Bovinity | i dunno, tableless layouts work just fine | 23:02 |
| paulproteus | They still blow my mind and I can never get them right. | 23:03 |
| paulproteus | Perhaps I'm just an old fogey. | 23:03 |
| Bovinity | :P | 23:03 |
| nkinkade | I've always found this site to be useful: http://positioniseverything.net/ | 23:04 |
| Bovinity | except when you look at the monobook wiki theme... and wonder, wtf were they thinking | 23:05 |
| nkinkade | That theme dumbfounds me. | 23:06 |
| nkinkade | It couldn't be harder to read or edit. | 23:07 |
| Bovinity | guess what i'm reading and/or editing right now. | 23:07 |
| nkinkade | There are more <?php ?> tags in there than you can shake a stick at. | 23:07 |
| nkinkade | I once got frustrated and endeavored to clean it up. After about an hour I gave up. | 23:08 |
| paulproteus | Somewhat OT: http://tmbw.net/wiki/Main_Page looks gorgeous. | 23:08 |
| Bovinity | nice | 23:08 |
| paulproteus | nkinkade, Is the AJAXification of e.g. http://a7.creativecommons.org:8090/af/cc_org/cc_org.po?translate=1&view=1 (username/password admin/admin) a new feature of Mozootle or something that's been around a while? | 23:09 |
| nkinkade | paulproteus: I haven't looked at that page yet, but I'm not aware that there is any AJAX in Pootle, at least not the version we have. | 23:10 |
| nkinkade | I'm not logged in, but I'm not seeing what you are, I think. | 23:11 |
| paulproteus | Right, so log in. | 23:11 |
| paulproteus | admin/admin | 23:11 |
| nkinkade | paulproteus: What AJAX? | 23:15 |
| nkinkade | Bovinity: When you edit macros_templates/deed.pt is there anything special you need to do to put it into effect? | 23:16 |
| nkinkade | What this the root of your question the other day? (about Varnish) | 23:16 |
| paulproteus | nkinkade, Double-click on "add translation" somewhere. | 23:17 |
| nkinkade | paulproteus: Sorry, I was only single clicking. | 23:17 |
| paulproteus | No trouble. | 23:17 |
| nkinkade | No, I don't think that functionality is in Pootle. if it is I didn't know, but I never tried a double click, either. | 23:17 |
| * paulproteus nods | 23:18 | |
| paulproteus | It'd be cool if you'd check, mostly for my curiosity (and so we can announce things that are new, if they are!). | 23:18 |
| Bovinity | nkinkade: on staging? restart cc_engine | 23:18 |
| Bovinity | nkinkade: cc_engine script in /var/www/staging.*/cc.engine/bin | 23:19 |
| nkinkade | paulproteus: I just checked and that does exist in Pootle. | 23:19 |
| nkinkade | Who knew?! | 23:19 |
| nkinkade | Bovinity: Right. I've been restarting it to no effect. | 23:19 |
| paulproteus | nkinkade, Neat. | 23:20 |
| nkinkade | Bovinity: There is something janky about ./bin/cc_engine. | 23:23 |
| paulproteus | I just un-janked it a little, I thought. | 23:24 |
| nkinkade | ./bin/cc_engine wouldn't stop cc.engine. I had to to manually kill it, and then when I restarted the cc.engine my changes were there. | 23:24 |
| paulproteus | Are you guys "su"ing to nathan? | 23:24 |
| nkinkade | paulproteus: No. | 23:24 |
| paulproteus | 'Cause that's what I do re: staging. | 23:24 |
| nkinkade | Should I be? | 23:24 |
| paulproteus | I suggest doing that. | 23:24 |
| nkinkade | I guess I could try that. I was sudo'ing it. | 23:24 |
| nkinkade | And that seems to have worked in the past. | 23:24 |
| Bovinity | oh, i thought it was running as root | 23:24 |
| paulproteus | Really I'd rather just have it be a separate UID and have everyone su - staging. | 23:24 |
| nkinkade | That would be better for sure. | 23:25 |
| nkinkade | But I'm happy to have it run as nathan, in the meantime. | 23:25 |
| nkinkade | I'll try your advice paulproteus. | 23:25 |
| paulproteus | Please do, as my automatic staging i18n updater assumes it's running as nathany. | 23:27 |
| paulproteus | Er, nathan. | 23:27 |
| nkinkade | Oh! The thing is running as root right now, but I'll change that now. | 23:28 |
| paulproteus | I didn't have the heart to make an svn post-commit hook su to root to do things, so it sus to nathan instead. | 23:29 |
| nkinkade | Bovinity: http://staging.creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/3.0/nl/ | 23:37 |
| Bovinity | nkinkade: cool | 23:37 |
| nkinkade | That's handled by CSS now. I added a file called jurisdictions.css to the includes dir. | 23:37 |
| Bovinity | nifty | 23:41 |
| Bovinity | i'll fix up that crazy NC icon i've been meaning to do for a while then. | 23:42 |
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| Bovinity | nkinkade: neat, that zipped freehand thing they sent was their brochure, not the NC icon | 23:46 |
| Bovinity | nkinkade: nevermind, i found it, eventually | 23:48 |
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