Monday, 2008-10-20

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ramseynasserhi all05:31
ramseynasseri'm interested in licensing my work under a cc license, but i had a few questions05:32
ramseynasseris there any way under cc to keep my work from being used by certain groups of people or causes?05:34
ramseynasserI live/work in the middle east, and there are people who I would not want using my work/attributing it to me05:34
ramseynasserextremists, fundamentalists and the like05:34
ramseynasseri know that in practice, they would use what they wanted without regard for the law, but I wanted to know if there was a way under cc to at least make it illegal05:35
paulproteusHowdy ramseynasser.06:06
ramseynasserpaulproteus: hi06:07
paulproteusCC doesn't give you that option.06:08
paulproteusWe don't suggest it - what are you going to do, sue them for copyright infringement?06:08
paulproteusThat sounds like it would be frustrating all around.06:08
paulproteusYou could just leave a note that says, "Artist's note: I hope that if you use this work, you do it with justice and equality in mind."06:09
paulproteusThen "Some rights reserved under CC by-sa 3.0"06:09
ramseynasserhmm06:09
ramseynasseri suppose you're right06:09
ramseynasseri also read about "moral rights" in the FAQ06:10
paulproteusIt's nice to see you thinking about it, don't get me wrong. (-:06:10
paulproteusBTW I'm no lawyer, etc.06:10
ramseynasserhehehe06:11
ramseynasserthanks a lot06:11
ramseynasseri'll just have to hope for the best06:11
ramseynasseranother (unrelated) thing06:12
ramseynasserthe markup generated by the CC license page isn't valid XHTML 1.0 Strict06:12
paulproteusYeah, it's XHTML+RDFa.06:13
paulproteushttp://rdfa.info/ has some more info about that.06:13
ramseynasserok06:13
paulproteusRDFa is a new W3C standard for metadata.06:13
ramseynasserok06:13
ramseynasseri should be able to change the doctype then, or something similar, so it can validate, no?06:13
paulproteusYup.06:13
paulproteushttp://rdfa.info/wiki/How-to-validate BTW06:14
ramseynasserDocuments written using the markup language defined in this specification can be validated using the DTD defined in Appendix A. If a document author wants to faciliate such validation, they may include the following declaration at the top of their document:06:15
ramseynasser<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML+RDFa 1.0//EN"06:15
ramseynasser    "http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/DTD/xhtml-rdfa-1.dtd">06:15
ramseynasserfrom the specs06:15
paulproteusYay.06:15
ramseynasserlittle green squares for me!06:16
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paulproteusYay!07:27
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pmjdebruijnhi14:48
pmjdebruijnI'm looking for the CC licensed in text format? preferably with only 66 character per line14:49
pmjdebruijndoes anybody have some suggestions?14:49
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mattlpmjdebruijn: which license?15:17
pmjdebruijnCC Attibrution ShareAlike 3.015:18
pmjdebruijnIt's easy to get it into a text file... just copy paste from the website15:18
pmjdebruijnhowever... the word wrap15:18
mattljust fill it with emacs.15:18
mattlset the column width to 66, select everything and fill-region15:19
nkinkadeOr with vim by :set tw=66 and then you use the commands gqj to format a whole paragraph.15:26
pmjdebruijnhmmm, there are a lot of paragraphs15:38
nkinkadeI think you can select the whole document if you are using vim in visual select mode.15:40
pmjdebruijnoh sweet!15:41
pmjdebruijnit worked15:41
nkinkadegq<motion> is the command, so I'm sure there is a <motion> that goes from the cursor to the end, but visual select mode is probably best.15:41
nkinkadeThere is even some module I had (have?) installed that would justify the text.15:42
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nkinkadenathany: Should we regenerate all the Deeds.  Someone just pointed out that the Spanish 2.1 deeds don't validate and I suppose it's because it was generated before Steren's work.16:25
nathanynkinkade: i suppose we can, let's just be careful about where we do it (so it doesn't kill i/o)16:26
nathanybtw, any thoughts on a5 this morning?16:26
nathanyi just got a login prompt when it went away for reboot16:26
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nathany(er, a shell prompt)16:27
nkinkadenathany: I can regenerate the Deeds with ionice, so that shouldn't be an issue.16:27
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nkinkadeRegarding a5, I'm not sure what happened.  I woke up at 4:30am and couldn't get a shell, though the machine was pingable.  I had to reboot it twice via the admin panel.16:28
nathanysigh16:28
nkinkadeThe first reboot didn't seem to do anything.16:28
nkinkadeThe kernel logs are are/were full of oom-killer messages.16:29
nathanythoughts on the cause16:29
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paulproteusOOM OOM OOM OOM, mighty fine dollar.16:30
nkinkadenathany: None at the moment.  The machine did seem rather busy.16:30
nkinkadeJust after I rebooted there were already 4.5K unique IPs connected.16:30
nkinkadeTo say nothing of total connections.16:30
paulproteus"Those days are dead and gone and the eulogy was delivered by Perl." -- http://interviews.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/10/18/1153211&tid=189&tid=156&tid=130&tid=1116:54
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Sterenhi17:13
greg-ghiya Steren17:17
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SterenI've got a question : If I allow sharing but do not require attribution, is my work in the public domain ?17:20
greg-gdepends on what you mean by public domain, I would guess.17:21
SterenI say that because if I provide only Distribution as a permission to liblicense, it returns an old http://creativecommons.org/licenses/nd/1.0/, which is absolutly not something like public domain17:22
greg-ginteresting17:27
nathanynkinkade:17:47
nathanyany idea why outbound mail on a9 (at least to cc.org) seems borked?17:47
nathanyOct 20 17:44:52 a9 postfix/qmgr[4326]: AD32977C10E: from=<noreply@creativecommons.net>, size=874, nrcpt=1 (queue active)17:47
nathanyOct 20 17:44:52 a9 postfix/smtpd[5139]: disconnect from localhost[127.0.0.1]17:47
nathanyOct 20 17:44:52 a9 postfix/smtp[5143]: connect to 127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1]: Connection refused (port 10024)17:47
nathanyOct 20 17:44:52 a9 postfix/smtp[5143]: AD32977C10E: to=<nathan@creativecommons.org>, relay=none, delay=0.02, delays=0.01/0/0/0, dsn=4.4.1, status=deferred (connect to 127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1]: Connection refused)17:47
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paulproteusnathany, http://wiki.creativecommons.org/PdfLicenseManager18:04
paulproteus + greg-g ^^18:04
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greg-gpaulproteus: thanks18:08
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greg-gpaulproteus: it worked, thanks.18:32
paulproteusYay!18:32
greg-gafter I downloaded 50 megs of java depends18:33
greg-g:)18:33
paulproteusHeh.18:33
paulproteusStep 1: Wait.18:33
greg-g...18:33
paulproteusStep 2: Use software!18:33
greg-g:)18:34
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paulproteusnkinkade, nathany, Okay if I make a staging ccLearn community wiki on learn-staging/community/ ?18:38
nathanyfine by me18:39
nkinkadepaulproteus: That's fine with me too, a6 isn't too busy right now.18:39
paulproteusCoolio.18:39
paulproteusThe ODEPO move should be done shortly.18:39
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GarethHello.18:46
nathanyhi Gareth18:57
nkinkadeBovinity: I'm sure you've noticed it, but is there something that we can do about the contribution pages where the text overlays an image:18:59
nkinkadehttp://support.creativecommons.org/civicrm/contribute/transact?reset=1&id=1&donation=50 ... for example (at the top).18:59
Bovinitynkinkade: yeah, i'm aware, it's on my list of things to tweak19:01
nkinkadeBovinity: Good.  I just wanted to make sure it was on somebody's radar, even mine if need be.19:01
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mecredispaulproteus: happy birthday19:12
mecredispaulproteus: whats the best way to add License information to mp3?19:12
paulproteus(-:, mecredis19:12
paulproteusmecredis, The best way from a tools/user perspective, or from a file format/specification perspective?19:13
paulproteusliblicense should be more than adequate at doing that as a CLI tool.19:13
mecredisfrom the cc is about to sell you an album of cc licensed mp3s19:13
paulproteusmecredis, Ah, that!19:13
paulproteusmecredis, apt-get install liblicense-cli19:13
mecredisOK19:13
paulproteusfor file in *.mp3 ; do license --something-I-forget $file ; done19:13
mecredisbuce19:13
mecrediser, nice19:13
Sterenbuce19:14
paulproteuspuce19:14
mecredisheh19:14
paulproteusSteren, Your video is great, by the way.19:14
paulproteusSteren, Oh!  And my mom found the liblicense video you made of me, just searching the web for me.19:14
mecredishrm whayes very good19:14
Sterenhey thanks, I enjoyed making it19:14
mecredisahh whats my problem today19:15
Sterenare you serious ? awesome19:15
mecredishrm, does liblicense work on os x?19:15
paulproteusmecredis, Probably; I've never tried it.19:15
paulproteusIt would need dependencies installed.19:15
mecredisyeah19:15
mecredisglorious dependencies19:15
paulproteusActually, I did try it 1y ago.19:15
mecredisshould I try compiling?19:15
paulproteusOS X was always such a pain to use because installing software is so hard.19:15
mecredisyep19:16
mecredisI guess I can just do this on my linux machine19:16
paulproteusUbuntu should have it packaged, though greg-g reports scary segfaults.19:16
paulproteusmecredis, If that doesn't work I'll write you (or you can write) a trivial script involving the id3v2 command-line tool.19:17
paulproteusI think you're just supposed to set WCOP to the license URI; wiki.cc has more info.19:17
mecredisah cool19:17
mecredismight be worth it because I have 800mb of mp3s to process19:17
paulproteusEither way it's a trivial script; the question is just if you use id3v2 or /usr/bin/license.19:18
paulproteusEither is fine; I have no brand loyalty, but /usr/bin/license should be marginally easier to use.19:19
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Sterenpaulproteus: strange (in my liblicense version): liblicense.get_permits('http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/') only returns ['http://creativecommons.org/ns#Distribution']   I would expect 'http://creativecommons.org/ns#DerivativeWorks'  too. Am I doing something wrong ?19:39
paulproteusHmm.  Steren, What does the corresponding RDF file say?19:42
Steren Derivative Works : distribution of derivative works19:42
Sterenpaulproteus: and when I ask liblicense which license correspond to 'http://creativecommons.org/ns#Distribution' as permit and "http://creativecommons.org/ns#Attribution" is require is gives me well by-nd19:44
Sterensorry for my keyboard mistake, understand : and when I ask liblicense which license corresponds to 'http://creativecommons.org/ns#Distribution' as permit and "http://creativecommons.org/ns#Attribution" as require it gives me well by-nd19:45
* paulproteus nods19:48
Sterencan you reproduce liblicense.get_permits('http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/')  on your computer ?19:49
Sterenpaulproteus: ^^19:50
paulproteusSteren, One sec, sure.19:51
* paulproteus installs 0.8-1 from Debian19:51
paulproteusIn [2]: liblicense.get_permits('http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/')19:52
paulproteusOut[2]: ['http://creativecommons.org/ns#Distribution']19:52
Sterenthere should be 'http://creativecommons.org/ns#DerivativeWorks' too I think19:53
paulproteusYou know, I think I agree with you.19:53
paulproteusCan you get the tarball and see if make check passes, and if so, add a test for this?19:53
Garethnathany: howdy :) hows it going?19:55
paulproteusSteren, The best thing would be if you could push that test to git.19:55
Sterenpaulproteus: yes I can, I never tried to make liblicense from source, maybeyou will be faster19:55
greg-gwait, it is paulproteus's birthday?19:55
paulproteusI don't want to do that right now, but email me this point and I'll not forget it.19:55
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paulproteusgreg-g, How did you find out!?19:56
paulproteusOh, drat, mecredis (-;19:56
greg-gI read the backlog :)19:56
greg-ghappy birthday!19:56
paulproteusThanks!19:56
mecredis#techfed19:56
Sterenpaulproteus: sure, so as a present for your birthday, here is a brand new liblicense bug19:56
Sterenjust kidding, happy birthday19:56
nathanyGareth: going well; yourself?19:56
* paulproteus chuckles at Steren's remark.19:57
Garethnathany: going well thanks :)19:57
greg-gpaulproteus: Begin thinking of what drink you want me to buy you this coming week when I'm in town19:57
paulproteusgreg-g, When do you leave town, btw?20:00
paulproteusBovinity, nathany - http://noisebridge.net/ , to repeat myself clickably.20:00
nathanycool20:01
greg-gpaulproteus: in Sunday night, out Wednesday afternoon.20:01
paulproteusgreg-g, Vewwy Intewesting.20:02
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nathanynkinkade: ping20:09
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nkinkadenathany: pong20:12
nathanynkinkade: do you have a SHA1 hash of the cc.net cert easily available?20:14
paulproteusSteren, Actually, file a bug using code.creativecommons.org/issues instead (just remembered)?20:15
nkinkadenathany: I don't, but I don't suppose it would be too hard to get that to you.20:15
nathanyi can find it in Fx, but it's not copy/pasteable20:15
nkinkadenathany: Let me get it to you now ...20:16
nathanythanks :)20:16
nkinkadenathany: You should have an email with the cert in it.20:17
nathanythanks20:18
nkinkadeAnd just as a quick reference, they are located at /etc/apache2/ssl20:18
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paulproteushttps://www.openssl.org/docs/apps/x509.html20:22
paulproteusopenssl x509 -in filename20:22
Sterenpaulproteus: Ok I'll create that bug report20:22
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paulproteusBovinity, Do you have an account on learn.creativecommons.org/community/ (a wiki)?20:36
Bovinityi do not20:36
paulproteusnkinkade, Have you?20:37
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paulproteusI seem to have created a wiki that forgets about me as soon as I log in.20:46
paulproteusIt's rather odd.20:46
Bovinityphantom wiki20:49
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nkinkadepaulproteus: Do I have an account?21:00
nkinkadeNot that I know of, but once you've got shell access its not too hard to make one.21:00
paulproteusnkinkade, It's the same as the /community/ wiki, DB cloned.21:01
paulproteusOh, never mind.21:01
paulproteusnathany, ...do *you* have an acct on learn.creativecommons.org/community/ ?  Can you try logging into learn-staging.creativecommons.org/community/ with it?21:01
paulproteusnkinkade, You could surely make one too if you like at learn-staging.21:01
nkinkadepaulproteus: I've already got one at learn-staging.21:02
nkinkade(I think)21:02
paulproteusDoes it keep you logged in?21:02
paulproteusFor me it seems to log me out as if the cookie doesn't stick.21:02
nkinkadepaulproteus: How soon does it log you out?  Immediately?21:02
paulproteusAfter one page load or so.21:03
paulproteusSo if you can load three pages and keep it thinking you're logged in then you have a different experience.21:03
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nathanypaulproteus: it thinks i log in, but i'm not21:05
paulproteusnathany, Great, at least it's insane for you too.21:05
nathanypaulproteus: seems almost certainly like a problem that'd arise if you were using a settings file or DB from a different wiki21:05
paulproteusYeah.21:05
paulproteusHarrumph.21:05
paulproteusI'll just try my import on a fresh wiki.21:06
nkinkadepaulproteus: You might try disabling APC.21:09
* paulproteus sighs21:09
paulproteusNever!21:09
paulproteusPerformance over correctness!21:09
nkinkadeLogins were fried on wiki.CC.org when APC enabled.21:09
paulproteus...?21:09
paulproteusDid we file a bug yet?21:10
nkinkadeI had to disabled it.21:10
nkinkadeI haven't.21:10
nkinkadeBut before you look much farther I would comment the lines in /etc/php5/conf.d/apc.ini and then reload Apache2.21:10
nkinkadepaulproteus: ^^21:10
paulproteusOkee.21:11
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nkinkadeIf that fixes it, then at least we know it's not just some peculiarity on a7.21:11
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paulproteusI'm "pleased" to report it's still broken without APC.21:11
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nkinkadeHmmm.21:13
paulproteusI'll just do my staging on a localhost wiki.21:13
nkinkadepaulproteus: Did you immediately reenable APC?21:13
paulproteusYes.21:14
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paulproteusBovinity, Can you do me a favor and text something (whatever) to me at 585 506 8865?22:41
Bovinityone sec22:42
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