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| ramseynasser | hi all | 05:31 |
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| ramseynasser | i'm interested in licensing my work under a cc license, but i had a few questions | 05:32 |
| ramseynasser | is there any way under cc to keep my work from being used by certain groups of people or causes? | 05:34 |
| ramseynasser | I live/work in the middle east, and there are people who I would not want using my work/attributing it to me | 05:34 |
| ramseynasser | extremists, fundamentalists and the like | 05:34 |
| ramseynasser | i know that in practice, they would use what they wanted without regard for the law, but I wanted to know if there was a way under cc to at least make it illegal | 05:35 |
| paulproteus | Howdy ramseynasser. | 06:06 |
| ramseynasser | paulproteus: hi | 06:07 |
| paulproteus | CC doesn't give you that option. | 06:08 |
| paulproteus | We don't suggest it - what are you going to do, sue them for copyright infringement? | 06:08 |
| paulproteus | That sounds like it would be frustrating all around. | 06:08 |
| paulproteus | You could just leave a note that says, "Artist's note: I hope that if you use this work, you do it with justice and equality in mind." | 06:09 |
| paulproteus | Then "Some rights reserved under CC by-sa 3.0" | 06:09 |
| ramseynasser | hmm | 06:09 |
| ramseynasser | i suppose you're right | 06:09 |
| ramseynasser | i also read about "moral rights" in the FAQ | 06:10 |
| paulproteus | It's nice to see you thinking about it, don't get me wrong. (-: | 06:10 |
| paulproteus | BTW I'm no lawyer, etc. | 06:10 |
| ramseynasser | hehehe | 06:11 |
| ramseynasser | thanks a lot | 06:11 |
| ramseynasser | i'll just have to hope for the best | 06:11 |
| ramseynasser | another (unrelated) thing | 06:12 |
| ramseynasser | the markup generated by the CC license page isn't valid XHTML 1.0 Strict | 06:12 |
| paulproteus | Yeah, it's XHTML+RDFa. | 06:13 |
| paulproteus | http://rdfa.info/ has some more info about that. | 06:13 |
| ramseynasser | ok | 06:13 |
| paulproteus | RDFa is a new W3C standard for metadata. | 06:13 |
| ramseynasser | ok | 06:13 |
| ramseynasser | i should be able to change the doctype then, or something similar, so it can validate, no? | 06:13 |
| paulproteus | Yup. | 06:13 |
| paulproteus | http://rdfa.info/wiki/How-to-validate BTW | 06:14 |
| ramseynasser | Documents written using the markup language defined in this specification can be validated using the DTD defined in Appendix A. If a document author wants to faciliate such validation, they may include the following declaration at the top of their document: | 06:15 |
| ramseynasser | <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML+RDFa 1.0//EN" | 06:15 |
| ramseynasser | "http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/DTD/xhtml-rdfa-1.dtd"> | 06:15 |
| ramseynasser | from the specs | 06:15 |
| paulproteus | Yay. | 06:15 |
| ramseynasser | little green squares for me! | 06:16 |
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| paulproteus | Yay! | 07:27 |
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| pmjdebruijn | hi | 14:48 |
| pmjdebruijn | I'm looking for the CC licensed in text format? preferably with only 66 character per line | 14:49 |
| pmjdebruijn | does anybody have some suggestions? | 14:49 |
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| mattl | pmjdebruijn: which license? | 15:17 |
| pmjdebruijn | CC Attibrution ShareAlike 3.0 | 15:18 |
| pmjdebruijn | It's easy to get it into a text file... just copy paste from the website | 15:18 |
| pmjdebruijn | however... the word wrap | 15:18 |
| mattl | just fill it with emacs. | 15:18 |
| mattl | set the column width to 66, select everything and fill-region | 15:19 |
| nkinkade | Or with vim by :set tw=66 and then you use the commands gqj to format a whole paragraph. | 15:26 |
| pmjdebruijn | hmmm, there are a lot of paragraphs | 15:38 |
| nkinkade | I think you can select the whole document if you are using vim in visual select mode. | 15:40 |
| pmjdebruijn | oh sweet! | 15:41 |
| pmjdebruijn | it worked | 15:41 |
| nkinkade | gq<motion> is the command, so I'm sure there is a <motion> that goes from the cursor to the end, but visual select mode is probably best. | 15:41 |
| nkinkade | There is even some module I had (have?) installed that would justify the text. | 15:42 |
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| nkinkade | nathany: Should we regenerate all the Deeds. Someone just pointed out that the Spanish 2.1 deeds don't validate and I suppose it's because it was generated before Steren's work. | 16:25 |
| nathany | nkinkade: i suppose we can, let's just be careful about where we do it (so it doesn't kill i/o) | 16:26 |
| nathany | btw, any thoughts on a5 this morning? | 16:26 |
| nathany | i just got a login prompt when it went away for reboot | 16:26 |
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| nathany | (er, a shell prompt) | 16:27 |
| nkinkade | nathany: I can regenerate the Deeds with ionice, so that shouldn't be an issue. | 16:27 |
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| nkinkade | Regarding a5, I'm not sure what happened. I woke up at 4:30am and couldn't get a shell, though the machine was pingable. I had to reboot it twice via the admin panel. | 16:28 |
| nathany | sigh | 16:28 |
| nkinkade | The first reboot didn't seem to do anything. | 16:28 |
| nkinkade | The kernel logs are are/were full of oom-killer messages. | 16:29 |
| nathany | thoughts on the cause | 16:29 |
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| paulproteus | OOM OOM OOM OOM, mighty fine dollar. | 16:30 |
| nkinkade | nathany: None at the moment. The machine did seem rather busy. | 16:30 |
| nkinkade | Just after I rebooted there were already 4.5K unique IPs connected. | 16:30 |
| nkinkade | To say nothing of total connections. | 16:30 |
| paulproteus | "Those days are dead and gone and the eulogy was delivered by Perl." -- http://interviews.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/10/18/1153211&tid=189&tid=156&tid=130&tid=11 | 16:54 |
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| Steren | hi | 17:13 |
| greg-g | hiya Steren | 17:17 |
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| Steren | I've got a question : If I allow sharing but do not require attribution, is my work in the public domain ? | 17:20 |
| greg-g | depends on what you mean by public domain, I would guess. | 17:21 |
| Steren | I say that because if I provide only Distribution as a permission to liblicense, it returns an old http://creativecommons.org/licenses/nd/1.0/, which is absolutly not something like public domain | 17:22 |
| greg-g | interesting | 17:27 |
| nathany | nkinkade: | 17:47 |
| nathany | any idea why outbound mail on a9 (at least to cc.org) seems borked? | 17:47 |
| nathany | Oct 20 17:44:52 a9 postfix/qmgr[4326]: AD32977C10E: from=<noreply@creativecommons.net>, size=874, nrcpt=1 (queue active) | 17:47 |
| nathany | Oct 20 17:44:52 a9 postfix/smtpd[5139]: disconnect from localhost[127.0.0.1] | 17:47 |
| nathany | Oct 20 17:44:52 a9 postfix/smtp[5143]: connect to 127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1]: Connection refused (port 10024) | 17:47 |
| nathany | Oct 20 17:44:52 a9 postfix/smtp[5143]: AD32977C10E: to=<nathan@creativecommons.org>, relay=none, delay=0.02, delays=0.01/0/0/0, dsn=4.4.1, status=deferred (connect to 127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1]: Connection refused) | 17:47 |
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| paulproteus | nathany, http://wiki.creativecommons.org/PdfLicenseManager | 18:04 |
| paulproteus | + greg-g ^^ | 18:04 |
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| greg-g | paulproteus: thanks | 18:08 |
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| greg-g | paulproteus: it worked, thanks. | 18:32 |
| paulproteus | Yay! | 18:32 |
| greg-g | after I downloaded 50 megs of java depends | 18:33 |
| greg-g | :) | 18:33 |
| paulproteus | Heh. | 18:33 |
| paulproteus | Step 1: Wait. | 18:33 |
| greg-g | ... | 18:33 |
| paulproteus | Step 2: Use software! | 18:33 |
| greg-g | :) | 18:34 |
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| paulproteus | nkinkade, nathany, Okay if I make a staging ccLearn community wiki on learn-staging/community/ ? | 18:38 |
| nathany | fine by me | 18:39 |
| nkinkade | paulproteus: That's fine with me too, a6 isn't too busy right now. | 18:39 |
| paulproteus | Coolio. | 18:39 |
| paulproteus | The ODEPO move should be done shortly. | 18:39 |
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| Gareth | Hello. | 18:46 |
| nathany | hi Gareth | 18:57 |
| nkinkade | Bovinity: I'm sure you've noticed it, but is there something that we can do about the contribution pages where the text overlays an image: | 18:59 |
| nkinkade | http://support.creativecommons.org/civicrm/contribute/transact?reset=1&id=1&donation=50 ... for example (at the top). | 18:59 |
| Bovinity | nkinkade: yeah, i'm aware, it's on my list of things to tweak | 19:01 |
| nkinkade | Bovinity: Good. I just wanted to make sure it was on somebody's radar, even mine if need be. | 19:01 |
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| mecredis | paulproteus: happy birthday | 19:12 |
| mecredis | paulproteus: whats the best way to add License information to mp3? | 19:12 |
| paulproteus | (-:, mecredis | 19:12 |
| paulproteus | mecredis, The best way from a tools/user perspective, or from a file format/specification perspective? | 19:13 |
| paulproteus | liblicense should be more than adequate at doing that as a CLI tool. | 19:13 |
| mecredis | from the cc is about to sell you an album of cc licensed mp3s | 19:13 |
| paulproteus | mecredis, Ah, that! | 19:13 |
| paulproteus | mecredis, apt-get install liblicense-cli | 19:13 |
| mecredis | OK | 19:13 |
| paulproteus | for file in *.mp3 ; do license --something-I-forget $file ; done | 19:13 |
| mecredis | buce | 19:13 |
| mecredis | er, nice | 19:13 |
| Steren | buce | 19:14 |
| paulproteus | puce | 19:14 |
| mecredis | heh | 19:14 |
| paulproteus | Steren, Your video is great, by the way. | 19:14 |
| paulproteus | Steren, Oh! And my mom found the liblicense video you made of me, just searching the web for me. | 19:14 |
| mecredis | hrm whayes very good | 19:14 |
| Steren | hey thanks, I enjoyed making it | 19:14 |
| mecredis | ahh whats my problem today | 19:15 |
| Steren | are you serious ? awesome | 19:15 |
| mecredis | hrm, does liblicense work on os x? | 19:15 |
| paulproteus | mecredis, Probably; I've never tried it. | 19:15 |
| paulproteus | It would need dependencies installed. | 19:15 |
| mecredis | yeah | 19:15 |
| mecredis | glorious dependencies | 19:15 |
| paulproteus | Actually, I did try it 1y ago. | 19:15 |
| mecredis | should I try compiling? | 19:15 |
| paulproteus | OS X was always such a pain to use because installing software is so hard. | 19:15 |
| mecredis | yep | 19:16 |
| mecredis | I guess I can just do this on my linux machine | 19:16 |
| paulproteus | Ubuntu should have it packaged, though greg-g reports scary segfaults. | 19:16 |
| paulproteus | mecredis, If that doesn't work I'll write you (or you can write) a trivial script involving the id3v2 command-line tool. | 19:17 |
| paulproteus | I think you're just supposed to set WCOP to the license URI; wiki.cc has more info. | 19:17 |
| mecredis | ah cool | 19:17 |
| mecredis | might be worth it because I have 800mb of mp3s to process | 19:17 |
| paulproteus | Either way it's a trivial script; the question is just if you use id3v2 or /usr/bin/license. | 19:18 |
| paulproteus | Either is fine; I have no brand loyalty, but /usr/bin/license should be marginally easier to use. | 19:19 |
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| Steren | paulproteus: strange (in my liblicense version): liblicense.get_permits('http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/') only returns ['http://creativecommons.org/ns#Distribution'] I would expect 'http://creativecommons.org/ns#DerivativeWorks' too. Am I doing something wrong ? | 19:39 |
| paulproteus | Hmm. Steren, What does the corresponding RDF file say? | 19:42 |
| Steren | Derivative Works : distribution of derivative works | 19:42 |
| Steren | paulproteus: and when I ask liblicense which license correspond to 'http://creativecommons.org/ns#Distribution' as permit and "http://creativecommons.org/ns#Attribution" is require is gives me well by-nd | 19:44 |
| Steren | sorry for my keyboard mistake, understand : and when I ask liblicense which license corresponds to 'http://creativecommons.org/ns#Distribution' as permit and "http://creativecommons.org/ns#Attribution" as require it gives me well by-nd | 19:45 |
| * paulproteus nods | 19:48 | |
| Steren | can you reproduce liblicense.get_permits('http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/') on your computer ? | 19:49 |
| Steren | paulproteus: ^^ | 19:50 |
| paulproteus | Steren, One sec, sure. | 19:51 |
| * paulproteus installs 0.8-1 from Debian | 19:51 | |
| paulproteus | In [2]: liblicense.get_permits('http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/') | 19:52 |
| paulproteus | Out[2]: ['http://creativecommons.org/ns#Distribution'] | 19:52 |
| Steren | there should be 'http://creativecommons.org/ns#DerivativeWorks' too I think | 19:53 |
| paulproteus | You know, I think I agree with you. | 19:53 |
| paulproteus | Can you get the tarball and see if make check passes, and if so, add a test for this? | 19:53 |
| Gareth | nathany: howdy :) hows it going? | 19:55 |
| paulproteus | Steren, The best thing would be if you could push that test to git. | 19:55 |
| Steren | paulproteus: yes I can, I never tried to make liblicense from source, maybeyou will be faster | 19:55 |
| greg-g | wait, it is paulproteus's birthday? | 19:55 |
| paulproteus | I don't want to do that right now, but email me this point and I'll not forget it. | 19:55 |
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| paulproteus | greg-g, How did you find out!? | 19:56 |
| paulproteus | Oh, drat, mecredis (-; | 19:56 |
| greg-g | I read the backlog :) | 19:56 |
| greg-g | happy birthday! | 19:56 |
| paulproteus | Thanks! | 19:56 |
| mecredis | #techfed | 19:56 |
| Steren | paulproteus: sure, so as a present for your birthday, here is a brand new liblicense bug | 19:56 |
| Steren | just kidding, happy birthday | 19:56 |
| nathany | Gareth: going well; yourself? | 19:56 |
| * paulproteus chuckles at Steren's remark. | 19:57 | |
| Gareth | nathany: going well thanks :) | 19:57 |
| greg-g | paulproteus: Begin thinking of what drink you want me to buy you this coming week when I'm in town | 19:57 |
| paulproteus | greg-g, When do you leave town, btw? | 20:00 |
| paulproteus | Bovinity, nathany - http://noisebridge.net/ , to repeat myself clickably. | 20:00 |
| nathany | cool | 20:01 |
| greg-g | paulproteus: in Sunday night, out Wednesday afternoon. | 20:01 |
| paulproteus | greg-g, Vewwy Intewesting. | 20:02 |
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| nathany | nkinkade: ping | 20:09 |
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| nkinkade | nathany: pong | 20:12 |
| nathany | nkinkade: do you have a SHA1 hash of the cc.net cert easily available? | 20:14 |
| paulproteus | Steren, Actually, file a bug using code.creativecommons.org/issues instead (just remembered)? | 20:15 |
| nkinkade | nathany: I don't, but I don't suppose it would be too hard to get that to you. | 20:15 |
| nathany | i can find it in Fx, but it's not copy/pasteable | 20:15 |
| nkinkade | nathany: Let me get it to you now ... | 20:16 |
| nathany | thanks :) | 20:16 |
| nkinkade | nathany: You should have an email with the cert in it. | 20:17 |
| nathany | thanks | 20:18 |
| nkinkade | And just as a quick reference, they are located at /etc/apache2/ssl | 20:18 |
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| paulproteus | https://www.openssl.org/docs/apps/x509.html | 20:22 |
| paulproteus | openssl x509 -in filename | 20:22 |
| Steren | paulproteus: Ok I'll create that bug report | 20:22 |
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| paulproteus | Bovinity, Do you have an account on learn.creativecommons.org/community/ (a wiki)? | 20:36 |
| Bovinity | i do not | 20:36 |
| paulproteus | nkinkade, Have you? | 20:37 |
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| paulproteus | I seem to have created a wiki that forgets about me as soon as I log in. | 20:46 |
| paulproteus | It's rather odd. | 20:46 |
| Bovinity | phantom wiki | 20:49 |
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| nkinkade | paulproteus: Do I have an account? | 21:00 |
| nkinkade | Not that I know of, but once you've got shell access its not too hard to make one. | 21:00 |
| paulproteus | nkinkade, It's the same as the /community/ wiki, DB cloned. | 21:01 |
| paulproteus | Oh, never mind. | 21:01 |
| paulproteus | nathany, ...do *you* have an acct on learn.creativecommons.org/community/ ? Can you try logging into learn-staging.creativecommons.org/community/ with it? | 21:01 |
| paulproteus | nkinkade, You could surely make one too if you like at learn-staging. | 21:01 |
| nkinkade | paulproteus: I've already got one at learn-staging. | 21:02 |
| nkinkade | (I think) | 21:02 |
| paulproteus | Does it keep you logged in? | 21:02 |
| paulproteus | For me it seems to log me out as if the cookie doesn't stick. | 21:02 |
| nkinkade | paulproteus: How soon does it log you out? Immediately? | 21:02 |
| paulproteus | After one page load or so. | 21:03 |
| paulproteus | So if you can load three pages and keep it thinking you're logged in then you have a different experience. | 21:03 |
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| nathany | paulproteus: it thinks i log in, but i'm not | 21:05 |
| paulproteus | nathany, Great, at least it's insane for you too. | 21:05 |
| nathany | paulproteus: seems almost certainly like a problem that'd arise if you were using a settings file or DB from a different wiki | 21:05 |
| paulproteus | Yeah. | 21:05 |
| paulproteus | Harrumph. | 21:05 |
| paulproteus | I'll just try my import on a fresh wiki. | 21:06 |
| nkinkade | paulproteus: You might try disabling APC. | 21:09 |
| * paulproteus sighs | 21:09 | |
| paulproteus | Never! | 21:09 |
| paulproteus | Performance over correctness! | 21:09 |
| nkinkade | Logins were fried on wiki.CC.org when APC enabled. | 21:09 |
| paulproteus | ...? | 21:09 |
| paulproteus | Did we file a bug yet? | 21:10 |
| nkinkade | I had to disabled it. | 21:10 |
| nkinkade | I haven't. | 21:10 |
| nkinkade | But before you look much farther I would comment the lines in /etc/php5/conf.d/apc.ini and then reload Apache2. | 21:10 |
| nkinkade | paulproteus: ^^ | 21:10 |
| paulproteus | Okee. | 21:11 |
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| nkinkade | If that fixes it, then at least we know it's not just some peculiarity on a7. | 21:11 |
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| paulproteus | I'm "pleased" to report it's still broken without APC. | 21:11 |
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| nkinkade | Hmmm. | 21:13 |
| paulproteus | I'll just do my staging on a localhost wiki. | 21:13 |
| nkinkade | paulproteus: Did you immediately reenable APC? | 21:13 |
| paulproteus | Yes. | 21:14 |
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| paulproteus | Bovinity, Can you do me a favor and text something (whatever) to me at 585 506 8865? | 22:41 |
| Bovinity | one sec | 22:42 |
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