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| troubador | Hi. I'm using some CC photos in a book, and I'm including the license for each photo, either CC-BY or CC-BY-SA. My question is, do I need to include further information, such as CC-BY 2.0 or CC-BY 2.0 Germany? Sorry if this is answered somewhere; I've looked around and can't find it. | 17:00 |
| grahl | troubador: (ianal and do not speak for cc) well if it's a localized and not the unported license you should probably say so…more important would probably be having something (like a url and/or name) to satisfy the attribution property, though that wasn't quite part of your question | 17:06 |
| troubador | grahl: Thanks, yes, I'm including the authors. I guess what I'm getting at is: how different are all these? I understand the differences between having "SA" or not, of course, but not all these versions, and especially not "unported" and "localized". | 17:08 |
| troubador | The basic right of a "CC-BY" remains the same, doesn't it? Or am I missing something? | 17:08 |
| grahl | the basic rights remain the same but the licenses make assumptions based on copyright law that is often far from uniform across countries | 17:09 |
| troubador | So since this book will be published in America, does that mean I need to relicense each photo with the equivalent American CC license? | 17:11 |
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| grahl | troubador: relicensing should not be necessary, and might not even be be possible in the example with the german license because the german photographers could either use the unported license or the german license but claiming to work under US law…well…you'd have to somehow be there | 17:18 |
| troubador | grahl: Thanks, I begin to get the picture. | 17:23 |
| grahl | i'm thinking of it as that all localized CC licenses provide a uniform set of freedoms to use the work (like you publishing the work wherever you are since a cc license is of course a worldwide license as the preamble says) but provide different foundations so that there aren't gotchas in some jurisdictions that would prevent rightsholders from granting certain freedoms on their works because they cannot be mapped onto local law. | 17:23 |
| troubador | Okay. So this would mean there is an important difference between saying "CC-BY" (which is unspecified) and "CC-BY Germany 2.0"? That it is important for me to have the fully qualified license? I notice on Flickr, for instance, they don't visible include the version info, do they? | 17:25 |
| troubador | I understand the difference you explained, what I mean is whether it's key for me to report this in reprinting the picture. | 17:25 |
| troubador | I know you can't give a definitive answer, just curious what your sense of it is. | 17:26 |
| grahl | good question…the more specific string is relevant though it might not be necessary for you to be so verbose if the licensor (e.g. on his or her site) has made clear if a specific version is meant or the default (unported/current version i assume) applies | 17:28 |
| troubador | Well, I got all these pictures off flickr or Wikimedia Commons. WC does include this info, but flickr doesn't, so I can't figure out what's expected if you just want to use the photo. | 17:30 |
| grahl | if flickr only gives you cc by-sa i'd just go with that and possibly contact the creators if they mind as a curtesy… | 17:32 |
| grahl | i noticed an interesting point on the 2.5 page "No works are automatically put under the new license, however." so i'd guess that if there ever was a case (remote as that may be) where legal problems arose from a version not being specified the current one at time of creation would probably be applicable unless the owner relicenses the work afterwards | 17:34 |
| * grahl stops pretending to know shit about law | 17:37 | |
| troubador | Ha! No problem. | 17:44 |
| troubador | Thanks very much for your thoughts. | 17:44 |
| troubador | Probably I should just bite the bullet, look up all these photos again, and add the info. It's no big deal. | 17:44 |
| grahl | good luck with the book! | 17:53 |
| troubador | Thanks! | 18:05 |
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