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| ftobia | paulproteus: ping. | 01:47 |
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| ftobia | currybot: list | 01:50 |
| currybot | (1) PANEER BHURJI (Today’s Special!!!) | 01:50 |
| currybot | (2) DIWANI HANDI (Fresh vegetables cooked in red onions, ginger, garlic, and tomato curry) | 01:50 |
| currybot | (3) ELAICHI MURGA (Boneless chicken cubes cooked in cardamom flavored curry sauce) | 01:50 |
| currybot | (4) Couldn't parse (NONE) | 01:50 |
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| paulproteus | ftobia, hi | 02:49 |
| paulproteus | ftobia, What the heck time zone are you in? | 02:49 |
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| bringatowel | hello, would "No Derivative Works" allow shortening a video broadcast to 10 minutes for posting on YouTube? | 10:40 |
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| luisv | bringatowel: no | 13:39 |
| luisv | 'no derivative works' means 'no derivative works' | 13:39 |
| luisv | editing/abridging is a derivative | 13:39 |
| bringatowel | its not editorial though, just a sort of file container | 13:40 |
| bringatowel | like if the file were stored on multiple floppy diskettes, it would need to split into an archive, would that really be considered editing or abridging if nothing is changed? | 13:41 |
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| bringatowel | well thanks for responding | 13:45 |
| mecredis | bringatowel: if the file is distributed in parts -- such that its only usable when accessed in its entirety, then I think its fine | 13:55 |
| mecredis | and its not a derivative (like .r00 - .r99 / .rar files0 | 13:55 |
| mecredis | but if you're just chopping up a video | 13:55 |
| mecredis | then the individual parts are usable / readable and are derivatives | 13:55 |
| bringatowel | technically it is possible to extract video data from a single .r## file | 13:56 |
| mecredis | it's also possible to extract video from deep packet inspection | 13:57 |
| mecredis | but absurd to consider packets derivatives | 13:57 |
| mecredis | anyway, gotta go | 13:58 |
| bringatowel | so where is the line drawn? if a video file is parsed into youtube or into packets, what is the difference | 13:58 |
| bringatowel | ok cheers | 13:58 |
| luisv | bringatowel: ah, if you're just splitting it up, rather than abridging... that is a harder question | 14:01 |
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| bringatowel | in my mind its a question of whether judgment goes into the process, not sure if that matters but if uploading is done through the api this can be a fully automated process | 14:03 |
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| hdworak | luisv: I do not know whether there are any lawyers here, but in general we are not entitled to offer legal advisory | 14:09 |
| hdworak | sorry, that was to bringatowel of course | 14:10 |
| hdworak | I'm also sorry that I can't be more helpful in this matter | 14:10 |
| luisv | I am 2/3rds of a lawyer ;) | 14:10 |
| luisv | but yes, this is definitely not legal advice. | 14:10 |
| bringatowel | oh no worries, its just speculation | 14:10 |
| hdworak | oh, a Columbia student ? | 14:10 |
| hdworak | :) | 14:10 |
| luisv | hdworak: yes, just starting my third year of law school. | 14:10 |
| hdworak | how nice, you're going to be a powerful person indeed | 14:11 |
| luisv | hah | 14:11 |
| luisv | or maybe I'll just end up hanging out with all the IP hippies ;) | 14:11 |
| bringatowel | i emailed the content creator to try and get their explicit permission, but its an interesting questions for CC licensed works | 14:12 |
| hdworak | or running for the office of the President of the United States | 14:12 |
| luisv | who tend, other than lessig, not to be very powerful ;) | 14:12 |
| luisv | haha | 14:12 |
| luisv | definitely not political enough for that :) | 14:12 |
| * paulproteus waves | 14:12 | |
| hdworak | hi, Asheesh | 14:12 |
| hdworak | Law + Columbia = false modesty (joking, of course) | 14:13 |
| paulproteus | What did you say about Eben Moglen? | 14:13 |
| paulproteus | (-; | 14:13 |
| luisv | no comment ;) | 14:13 |
| luisv | bringatowel: anyway, I think it is an interesting question, but if I had to guess there is no good answer- I think that licenses that allow copying but not modification in the way CC does are probably rare, and chopping up in that way for 'shipping' is also rare, so I'd guess there are very few relevant judicial decisions | 14:23 |
| bringatowel | oooh then we can break new ground ;) | 14:23 |
| luisv | well, only if you get sued ;) | 14:24 |
| bringatowel | then lets hope so! | 14:24 |
| bringatowel | get someone to sue me for $1 so it can go into court :D | 14:24 |
| luisv | courts don't like friendly plaintiffs, sadly ;) | 14:25 |
| paulproteus | I'm not friendly! | 14:32 |
| paulproteus | GRRR! | 14:32 |
| paulproteus | hdworak, Lemme know if you need a hand / if you do something neat. | 15:10 |
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| hdworak | sure | 15:23 |
| hdworak | I'm working on license parsing at the moment | 15:23 |
| paulproteus | "license parsing" like pulling info out from the license URLs into meaningful "Allows attribution?" etc? | 15:24 |
| hdworak | if the library spots a license (URL or data:), it will download it (I'm thinking of caching, too) and parse to extract the title and permissions, requirements, prohibitions | 15:24 |
| hdworak | exactly | 15:24 |
| paulproteus | Okay, cool. | 15:24 |
| hdworak | I don't want to do any dummy list of licenses | 15:24 |
| paulproteus | Of course. | 15:24 |
| hdworak | 'cause what if cc 4.0 comes by? | 15:24 |
| paulproteus | Your plan is good. | 15:24 |
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| ftobia | currybot: list | 16:17 |
| currybot | (1) BENGAN BHARTHA (Tandoori baked mashed jumbo eggplants sautéed with red onions, tomatoes and green peas) | 16:17 |
| currybot | (2) SUBJ-E-PUNJAB (Punjab is the breadbasket of India) | 16:17 |
| currybot | (3) CHICKEN METHIWALA (Chicken cubes cooked in fresh fenugreek herb) | 16:17 |
| currybot | (4) MEATBALL MASALA (CHEF’S SPECIAL) | 16:17 |
| ftobia | w00t. | 16:17 |
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| greg-g | long live the autonomous currybot | 17:02 |
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| tim_hwang | currybot list | 17:35 |
| currybot | (1) BENGAN BHARTHA (Tandoori baked mashed jumbo eggplants sautéed with red onions, tomatoes and green peas) | 17:35 |
| currybot | (2) SUBJ-E-PUNJAB (Punjab is the breadbasket of India) | 17:35 |
| currybot | (3) CHICKEN METHIWALA (Chicken cubes cooked in fresh fenugreek herb) | 17:35 |
| currybot | (4) MEATBALL MASALA (CHEF’S SPECIAL) | 17:35 |
| tim_hwang | currybot 2 | 17:36 |
| currybot | SUBJ-E-PUNJAB (Punjab is the breadbasket of India) Agriculture is a main stage therefore there is a bountiful harvest of fresh vegetable. At Mehfil our chef puts together like cauliflower, carrots, mushrooms, cut corn, blue lake bean, red bell peppers, and red onions simmered in a semi dry masala of the (5C’s) Garam masala, cardamom, celery, cumin, clove, coriander. | 17:36 |
| currybot | $5.00 | 17:36 |
| Ekushey | haha interesting | 17:43 |
| Ekushey | who's bot is this? | 17:43 |
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| Steren | Ekushey: it has been developped by the CC tech team (we are curry lovers) | 17:49 |
| ``Cube | guys, what to do e.g. when someone violates the license terms of my work, like says he created it? | 17:49 |
| greg-g | talk to a lawyer? | 17:50 |
| greg-g | get a stick? | 17:50 |
| nkinkade | ``Cube: Even better would to ask them nicely to stop infringing. Hopefully most things could be settled without involving lawyers. | 17:51 |
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| * greg-g nods | 17:51 | |
| ``Cube | nkinkade: yea, that situation didn't happen, but in the case, I already talked to him and he didn't react | 17:52 |
| ``Cube | like the worst-case-scenario | 17:52 |
| brianrowe | What is the issue? | 17:52 |
| Ekushey | Steren, that's cool | 17:53 |
| nkinkade | ``Cube: Well, in that case, your other option is about what greg-g said ... talk to a lawyer. | 17:53 |
| nkinkade | You're recourse to the law is the same with or without a CC license. | 17:53 |
| ``Cube | imagine I created some little, not really worth billiards artwork, which is cool, but someone steals it. is it worth talking to the lawyer? I mean, I have to pay for that lawyer | 17:53 |
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| brianrowe | "Cube there are local nonprofits like Washington Lawyers for the arts that give free or low cost legal work to artists. | 17:55 |
| ``Cube | ah | 17:55 |
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| ``Cube | does anyone know about the situation in germany? | 17:55 |
| ``Cube | then, when I travel to the us (but for a longer time, lets say, one year) who should I talk to: german lawyer or american one? | 17:56 |
| brianrowe | ''Cube: just have to see what is available in your local area. Depends on the lawyer and the facts of the situation. I would try sovling things through none legal means first if possible. Good Luck. | 17:59 |
| ``Cube | brianrowe: alrgiht, thanks! | 18:00 |
| ``Cube | by the way, what's the law's name about licences? | 18:01 |
| nkinkade | ``Cube: What do you mean by the law's name? | 18:07 |
| ``Cube | like, private law? | 18:07 |
| nkinkade | nathany: Is there a page in the cc.engine for the CC-BSD license? | 18:07 |
| nathany | a page? | 18:07 |
| nathany | there's a deed | 18:07 |
| nkinkade | There are ones for cc-gpl and cc-lgpl, but I don't see one for BSD. | 18:07 |
| nkinkade | http://creativecommons.org/license/cc-gpl | 18:08 |
| nkinkade | http://creativecommons.org/license/cc-lgpl | 18:08 |
| nkinkade | But there isn't one for BSD? | 18:08 |
| nathany | no, nothing like that | 18:08 |
| nathany | nor for MIT | 18:08 |
| nkinkade | Okay, thanks. | 18:08 |
| nkinkade | ``Cube: CC licenses are based on copyright law. That seems to obvious, thought. | 18:09 |
| Steren | nathany: I re-tried to push my liblicense tagger work to the git license_tagger repo, but it still doesn't work, even using easygit. Could you push something in it, then I'll pull it, add my files, and push. | 18:14 |
| * paulproteus waves | 18:16 | |
| paulproteus | Debconf is an awesome time. | 18:16 |
| greg-g | paulproteus: i hope too much dirt was not talked about me last night by the ubuntu guys | 18:17 |
| paulproteus | Heh. | 18:19 |
| paulproteus | No, sadly. | 18:19 |
| paulproteus | And I may have converted Jorge to alpine. | 18:19 |
| paulproteus | Yay! | 18:21 |
| greg-g | paulproteus: sweet, I still need to give that a chance, I'll wait until school starts though | 18:23 |
| paulproteus | Heh, if you say so. | 18:24 |
| greg-g | well, right now is not the best time, and then I'm traveling for a couple of weeks, so first week of school sounds about right for a change of email management | 18:24 |
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| paulproteus | Okay, cool. | 18:25 |
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| paulproteus | Debconf handles IRC really well. | 18:30 |
| nkinkade | nathany: paulproteus: gitweb got a little swamped this morning on a7 and make the machine unresponsive. | 18:32 |
| * paulproteus nods | 18:32 | |
| paulproteus | cgit is super fast. gitweb has some caching extensions that are being worked on. | 18:33 |
| nkinkade | I was thinking of trying to get that connection limiting module for Apache going. | 18:33 |
| paulproteus | I can try to see why cgit segfaulted. | 18:33 |
| nkinkade | I saw that.... a GSoC project, right? | 18:33 |
| paulproteus | Yup. | 18:33 |
| nkinkade | But something else came to mind. Would it be totally unreasonable to do per IP connection rate limiting to HTTP in general? | 18:34 |
| nkinkade | I mean, this morning one IP had near 250 open connections. | 18:34 |
| nathany | to gitweb? | 18:34 |
| nkinkade | Well, I don't know if it was just to gitweb, but I assume so ... | 18:34 |
| nkinkade | My evidence is circumstantial, though. | 18:35 |
| nkinkade | Netfilter supports connection rate limiting very nicely. | 18:35 |
| nkinkade | I'm so fed up with these abusive spiders or people, that I had a flash of frustration that just made me want to do a hard connection rate limit per IP address for the whole damn machine. | 18:36 |
| nkinkade | Is there any reason that anyone needs to have more than say 20 connections in a 5 or 10 second period? | 18:36 |
| nkinkade | Maybe something to do with git or subversion?? | 18:36 |
| nathany | nkinkade: possibly | 18:37 |
| nathany | i'd say if you're going to do it machine wide it should only try to catch the worst offenders | 18:37 |
| nathany | (ie, given the choice between a 5 and 10 second window, i'd say 5) | 18:37 |
| nkinkade | I can try that. But then even if git could possibly use that many concurrent connections, there's a side of me that says "So what?" ... let the person download stuff at a rate that won't stomp the whole machine. | 18:38 |
| nkinkade | Clearly we're hitting some resource limits that our limited hardware just doesn't want to cope with. | 18:39 |
| nathany | does rate limiting reject connections or just make them wait in line? | 18:39 |
| nkinkade | It won't queue them because it would happen at a low level. | 18:40 |
| nathany | i don't really think of our hardware as limited at all | 18:40 |
| nathany | right, so what would happen? | 18:40 |
| nkinkade | It can either drop them or send RST. | 18:40 |
| nathany | RST does...? | 18:40 |
| nkinkade | RST, says "Connection refused ..." basically. | 18:40 |
| nathany | ah | 18:40 |
| nkinkade | And I don't think that's so bad. I mean, if a client wants to try to make 100 simultaneous connections, then that software damn well better be prepared to handle a server that says "No way." | 18:41 |
| nkinkade | Steren: Do you need sudo privileges on a8? | 18:42 |
| nathany | (he probably at least needs write access to the acawiki deployment) | 18:42 |
| Steren | yeah I was thinking I had them | 18:42 |
| nkinkade | But do you need them? | 18:42 |
| nkinkade | I can give add you if you want. | 18:42 |
| Steren | yes, I have to install acawiki stuffs | 18:42 |
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| paulproteus | nathany, svn is mostly one long connection, so shouldn't need more than that one HTTP connection. | 18:43 |
| nkinkade | paulproteus: Do you have any input on what would be a reason per IP connection rate limit for HTTP? | 18:43 |
| paulproteus | For git, only gitweb uses HTTP. | 18:44 |
| paulproteus | (We do anonymous svn checkouts over http, right?) | 18:44 |
| nathany | right | 18:44 |
| paulproteus | nkinkade, Can you do N simultaneous as the constraint? | 18:44 |
| paulproteus | Rather than "N per second"? | 18:44 |
| nkinkade | paulproteus: I think so. | 18:44 |
| nkinkade | I think it supports saying "allow X connection in T timeslot" | 18:45 |
| paulproteus | Isn't that N per second, not N simultaneous? | 18:45 |
| paulproteus | I'd say 10-20 simultaneous is safe. | 18:45 |
| nkinkade | It's is, but I was hoping I could reasonably simulate that functionality. | 18:46 |
| nathany | how would you do that? | 18:46 |
| paulproteus | They're really very different. | 18:46 |
| nkinkade | By saying, something like: only allow 20 connections in a 1 second period. | 18:46 |
| nkinkade | But that, of course wouldn't stop them from filling up the machine with connections over, say 10 seconds., | 18:47 |
| nkinkade | Or more ... | 18:47 |
| paulproteus | Right - any idea what behavior these bots are doing? | 18:47 |
| nkinkade | paulproteus: How do you mean? | 18:47 |
| paulproteus | I mean, do they make 400 simultaneous connections? | 18:48 |
| nkinkade | From this morning on a7: grep 59.117.9.73 netstat | wc -l | 18:48 |
| nkinkade | 294 | 18:48 |
| paulproteus | Do they start at the same time? | 18:48 |
| nkinkade | ("netstat" being a file I made) | 18:48 |
| paulproteus | (Oh, okay) | 18:48 |
| nkinkade | But I'm not sure the exact nature of how they connect. I would imagine that they send in floods of requests one after the other. | 18:50 |
| greg-g | food stuffs? | 19:02 |
| nathany | currybot: 3 | 19:06 |
| currybot | CHICKEN METHIWALA (Chicken cubes cooked in fresh fenugreek herb) ‘Methi’ (Fenugreek) is the old time favorite herb used in many salted biscuits, pakoras and is used as a vegetable itself. In this dish a powder of fenugreek seeds is made and cooked well in the paste of ginger and garlic and then the chicken cubes soaked in the fenugreek juice and herb are added to the gravy and is well cooked adding onions and tomatoes. | 19:06 |
| currybot | $ 5.00 | 19:06 |
| nathany | eh | 19:06 |
| nathany | greg-g: yes, but i'm probably going to eat at my desk today to keep working | 19:06 |
| greg-g | nathany: k, I just want company for the walk is all ;) | 19:06 |
| nathany | where're you headed? | 19:06 |
| greg-g | I haven't had curry in a while (>4 days) | 19:06 |
| nathany | i'm going to pass on curry today | 19:06 |
| nathany | not quite sure what i'm doing instead | 19:07 |
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| tim_hwang | currybot 1 | 19:07 |
| currybot | BENGAN BHARTHA (Tandoori baked mashed jumbo eggplants sautéed with red onions, tomatoes and green peas) Eggplants cooked to spicy puree are popular throughout India. The eggplants first are baked in the clay oven and the mashed and are cooked with red onions, tomatoes, ginger, garlic, and green peas. | 19:07 |
| currybot | $5.00 | 19:07 |
| hdworak | paulproteus: help, help | 19:10 |
| hdworak | or, w8, I'm gonna ask on #python first | 19:10 |
| hdworak | :) | 19:10 |
| hdworak | ok, issue resolved | 19:16 |
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| ore_DEBE | !exploit | 19:39 |
| ore_DEBE | !help | 19:40 |
| paulproteus | hdworak, Hi | 19:41 |
| paulproteus | Nice, what was the issue? | 19:41 |
| hdworak | I thought that the temporary file created when using urllib.FancyURLopener.retrieve is preserved without binding the urllib.FancyURLopener to a variable | 19:43 |
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| paulproteus | Okay. | 19:44 |
| hdworak | :) | 19:54 |
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| hdworak | hey, did we have a git Web viewer change again? :) | 20:13 |
| hdworak | my bookmark doesn't work | 20:13 |
| nathany_lunch | hdworak: yes, sorry... we're really trying to stop breaking bookmarks | 20:14 |
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| hdworak | nathany: n/p | 20:14 |
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| hijo | this channel active? | 20:33 |
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| hijo | hey | 20:33 |
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| mecredis | ahhhhh | 22:36 |
| mecredis | no e-maik | 22:36 |
| mecredis | ahfdjasd;jfahsdjf | 22:36 |
| Steren | nkinkade: you haz freezbi ? | 22:40 |
| nkinkade | Steren: I don't. | 22:40 |
| nkinkade | But there is one on paulproteus's desk. | 22:40 |
| nkinkade | nathany: Do you happen to know anything about the cc_intro_blurb WP option? Is that really where the first bit of content on the index pages comes from? | 22:43 |
| nathany | uh, no idea | 22:44 |
| nathany | sounds plausible to me | 22:44 |
| nkinkade | I'm just trying to figure out how one goes about editing that? | 22:44 |
| nkinkade | I could do it via mysql client, but that seems brutal considering it's so long and has all that markup. | 22:45 |
| nathany | i would've guessed there's a plugin configuration page in WP? | 22:45 |
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