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| Bovinity | allo | 01:46 |
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| * greg-g waves to paulproteus | 02:09 | |
| paulproteus | Miami airport sucks. | 02:09 |
| paulproteus | Couldn't they have some nice Cuban food? | 02:09 |
| paulproteus | But no, there's Pizza Hut and Sam Adams Grill Pub. | 02:09 |
| paulproteus | Honestly, folks. | 02:09 |
| greg-g | haha, nice | 02:09 |
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| marex_v2 | hi, does someone here know if CC-BY would allow content to be redistributed/used/modified within a GPL project? | 14:53 |
| nathany | marex_v2: do you mean code or assets? | 14:54 |
| nathany | non-code assets are fine, i think (IANAL), given that you're not "linking" them (to engage the GPL), and so long as you provide attribution (fulfilling CC BY) | 14:55 |
| marex_v2 | nathany: for example including CC-BY licensed icons in an GPL appliaction. | 14:55 |
| nathany | I think that's fine, provided you give attribution for the icons | 14:56 |
| nathany | i can't think of a specific example, but i'm sure we've seen that | 14:56 |
| marex_v2 | and if the app includes icons that contain parts of CC-BY licensed icons it would work as well? | 14:57 |
| nathany | so the icons are derivative works of CC BY icons? | 14:57 |
| marex_v2 | yes | 14:57 |
| nathany | so you still need to provide attribution in the derivative work but i don't know why it wouldn't | 14:58 |
| nathany | (remembering that i'm not a lawyer, we don't give legal advice, etc, etc) | 14:58 |
| marex_v2 | so you could basically take an existing CC-BY icon, modify it and redistribute it under GPL (or what ever) as long as you give proper attribution? | 14:59 |
| nathany | i think so | 14:59 |
| marex_v2 | cool, then CC-BY would be perfect for me. thank you :) | 15:00 |
| nathany | sure | 15:00 |
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| Coskund | hii | 15:52 |
| Coskund | pls help | 15:52 |
| Coskund | me | 15:52 |
| Coskund | cc pls | 15:53 |
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| Bovinity | probably should be hung up in the office... http://hosting.reliccommunity.com/uploads/49473/20080304111900-untitled.jpg | 16:58 |
| nathany | Bovinity: are you going to schedule a meeting with melissa and i for early next week or should i? | 17:00 |
| Bovinity | nathany: will check in with melissa and set that up | 17:04 |
| nathany | thanks | 17:04 |
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| nathany | nkinkade: did we do this for our deployment? http://wiki.civicrm.org/confluence/display/CRMDOC/PayPal+Website+Payments+Pro+and+Express+Configuration | 17:13 |
| nathany | (do we need to?) | 17:13 |
| nkinkade | nathany: I didn't step through all of those directions, but presumably something carried over from the old installation because IPN worked for you test contribution (there was a hit to ipn.php in the Apache access log). | 17:17 |
| nathany | ok | 17:17 |
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| nkinkade | I also notice now that document is for the PayPal Pro service, but we're just using the Standard service. | 17:19 |
| nathany | ah, ok | 17:20 |
| nathany | ftobia: is this CC related? http://teamspace.creativecommons.org/Create_FC_Blog_Accounts (ie, i'm trying to see what we're doing and don't understand this) | 17:20 |
| ftobia | nathany: not really CC-related. just Asheesh-related. | 17:22 |
| ftobia | probably it shouldn't be on there. | 17:22 |
| nathany | i don't particularly care, just didn't know what it was | 17:22 |
| nathany | greg-g: is the ND icon not in the package? http://teamspace.creativecommons.org/Include_ND_icon_in_liblicense-icons | 17:23 |
| greg-g | nathany: it wasn't when I created that, maybe with 0.8 it is | 17:24 |
| greg-g | in fact, Asheesh is the one who asked me to create that task :) | 17:24 |
| * nathany rolls his eyes | 17:25 | |
| greg-g | what'd I do? | 17:27 |
| greg-g | ;) | 17:28 |
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| nathany | greg-g: not you, just... liblicense | 17:31 |
| greg-g | nathany: yeah, understand. it (the ND icon) doesn't seem to be in there (according to git) | 17:33 |
| ftobia | nathany: do you have a few minutes today to go over the state of cc.license, and i'll tell you the roadmap / todo items i came up with? | 17:34 |
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| nathany | ftobia: yes | 17:34 |
| nathany | 11-ish? | 17:34 |
| ftobia | sounds perfect. | 17:34 |
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| Matson | i got a question about cc licenses | 18:02 |
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| Matson | lets say there is a public domain video, (this is a real case example I'm working with now) | 18:02 |
| Matson | a content creator take this PD video - slaps a header on the front with their name and website designation | 18:03 |
| Matson | and then wants to release it under ö | 18:03 |
| Matson | oops | 18:03 |
| Matson | under http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/ | 18:03 |
| nathany | ftobia: i haven't forgotten about you, just trying to figure something out here before i lose my train of thought | 18:07 |
| ftobia | nathany: no problem, i'm just working through the design of cc.license. any time you're done is cool. | 18:09 |
| Bovinity | ftobia: you could also work on getting currybot loaded in here ;) | 18:09 |
| Matson | i guess my question is - is there any problem with a person doing that? | 18:10 |
| Matson | taking PD works and without really changing them releasing them under a CC license? | 18:11 |
| Matson | it seems there is something wrong about it | 18:11 |
| Steren | don't we have some PD specialist here ? greg-g maybe you have an answer | 18:12 |
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| ftobia | currybot: list | 18:12 |
| currybot | (1) BHINDI MASALA (Delicacy of fresh okra cooked in onion gravy with sliced onions) | 18:12 |
| currybot | (2) MAKHANWALI TARKARI (Several fresh vegetables cooked in a butter-flavored curry) | 18:12 |
| currybot | (3) KALI MIRCHI KA MURGA (Chicken cubes cooked in curry flavored with black pepper) | 18:12 |
| currybot | (4) FRESH ASPARAGUS MEATBALL (Beef meatballs cooked with fresh asparagus, red onions, and tomato gravy) | 18:12 |
| Steren | Matson: sorry we should wake up everyone here to answer | 18:13 |
| Bovinity | Matson: did the content creator create the PD video? | 18:13 |
| greg-g | Matson: there is now some discussion between 3 of us right now about it | 18:14 |
| ftobia | Matson: do you mean legally wrong, or like, against best practices? | 18:15 |
| Steren | arf, teh legal intern is not here ... | 18:15 |
| greg-g | I don't know the legal answer, but morally/ethically it is pretty lame. | 18:15 |
| greg-g | and yes "pretty lame" is my official answer ;) and by official I mean "not binding" :) | 18:16 |
| Bovinity | fairly sure you cannot take someone elses PD work and relicense it. IANAL, AFAIK, WTFBBQ. | 18:16 |
| ftobia | and i think the "taking works without really changing them" is an important point. whether or not adding a header makes it a derivative work is a question i don't know the answer to. | 18:16 |
| greg-g | Bovinity: the only case I can think of is if someone transformed the video toa new format, they could relicense that I suppose | 18:17 |
| greg-g | for instance, a certain university has scanned letters from the 1800s but is claiming copyright on those digital images, and the .txt file created from OCRing them. | 18:18 |
| Bovinity | pretty lame | 18:18 |
| greg-g | very | 18:18 |
| Bovinity | "derivative work" meaning really eneds to be cleared up | 18:18 |
| * greg-g nods | 18:19 | |
| Steren | yes, You license the artistic value you add to the work, so this ORC can be considered as "artistic" BUT the text is still under public domain | 18:19 |
| greg-g | Steren: yeah, I think Susan Crawford was contesting this university's copyright assertion on the text. | 18:19 |
| Steren | Matson: legally I think this behavior is OK. Sorry there isn't any legal guru here right now. | 18:21 |
| greg-g | is anyone attached to the "General" category on the wiki? http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Category:General | 18:39 |
| Bovinity | seeing it has 5 pages... i'll go ahead here and say no | 18:40 |
| greg-g | that is what I was thinking | 18:41 |
| greg-g | a "general" category seems too, well, general, to be useful. | 18:41 |
| Bovinity | that's waht i thought | 18:41 |
| greg-g | I'll wait till after lunch, then I'm deleting it. | 18:42 |
| nathany | greg-g: kill it | 18:48 |
| greg-g | killzored | 18:50 |
| greg-g | currybot: list | 18:50 |
| currybot | (1) BHINDI MASALA (Delicacy of fresh okra cooked in onion gravy with sliced onions) | 18:50 |
| currybot | (2) MAKHANWALI TARKARI (Several fresh vegetables cooked in a butter-flavored curry) | 18:50 |
| currybot | (3) KALI MIRCHI KA MURGA (Chicken cubes cooked in curry flavored with black pepper) | 18:50 |
| currybot | (4) FRESH ASPARAGUS MEATBALL (Beef meatballs cooked with fresh asparagus, red onions, and tomato gravy) | 18:50 |
| Matson | sorry, was gone | 18:51 |
| greg-g | hmmm, might be a good day for burritos | 18:51 |
| Bovinity | curry is looking mediocre today | 18:51 |
| Matson | so Bovinity - no, the video in this case was made by NASA | 18:51 |
| Matson | ftobia: legally and best case - really wanted to get some feedback | 18:51 |
| Bovinity | does he attribute nasa? | 18:52 |
| Matson | because we're adding support for PD content in legaltorrents | 18:52 |
| Matson | and the technically question is if PD and a license should be explusive choices or not | 18:52 |
| Matson | exclusive | 18:52 |
| Matson | we'll it is *obvious* it is a NASA video - it has NASA graphics al over it | 18:53 |
| Matson | in this case - the Creator is extremely careful about content licenses, and the current system *requires* him to put in a license - so he put in by-sa 3.0 | 18:53 |
| Matson | the real question we're mulling is this: can content be both public domain and be released under a CC license | 18:54 |
| greg-g | ahh, well, he then choose a license by random (in effect) and the chooser should allow PD | 18:54 |
| Steren | Matson: I just ping the legal intern, he will be here soon | 18:54 |
| Matson | or does that make no sense | 18:54 |
| Steren | Matson: brian is comming | 18:54 |
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| Steren | Matson: can you explain again the problem for brianrowe | 18:55 |
| Matson | partly this is a question about how we want legaltorrents to work -- when a person "select" the PD checkbox we're adding now - does that mean we don't allow them to put in a license? | 18:55 |
| Matson | sure | 18:55 |
| Matson | hi | 18:55 |
| Matson | the question is about the overlap of public domain content and releasing work under a CC license | 18:56 |
| brianrowe | Matson: hello | 18:56 |
| Matson | I run Matson Systems - and we run legaltorrents.com | 18:56 |
| Matson | we're adding support for public domain content on the site | 18:56 |
| Matson | up until now, we have *required* every piece of content to have a URL for a license before it is uploaded | 18:57 |
| Matson | today we have a strange case | 18:57 |
| Matson | http://beta.legaltorrents.com/torrents/183-first-woman-in-space | 18:57 |
| Matson | a PD video, created by NASA that the content creator has republished | 18:57 |
| Matson | added a 2 second header at the front, with his name and website | 18:58 |
| Matson | and posted it with http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/ | 18:58 |
| Matson | in this particular case, it's not an issue, because we have not deployed support for PD content - and this content creator would have listed in as PD if he had the choice | 18:59 |
| Matson | but it creates a question for future use and the overlap of CC licensed work and PD work | 18:59 |
| brianrowe | matson: If something is in the PD putting a license on it will have no effect. only copyright owners (usually creators) can add license. (legal disclaimer this chat is not legal advice from me or CC) | 18:59 |
| Matson | if someone takes a PD video - slaps their name on it, and releases it - it is OK to release it under a CC licence? | 18:59 |
| Matson | and by "ok" I mean both legallly and in the "best practice" sense | 19:00 |
| Matson | brianrowe: yes, just a friendly chat | 19:00 |
| Matson | mostly I'm looking to get a better sense of the rules - so we can make he site function the best we can | 19:00 |
| Matson | but what if I make a whole movie, and include a PD short clip in it | 19:01 |
| Matson | the movie is still copyright by me, and can distribute under the license I choose | 19:01 |
| brianrowe | matson: by putting a license on you are inherently claiming to have the right to grant that license. It causes a legal confusion. definitely not a best practice. | 19:02 |
| Matson | in this particular case, dose slapping a 2 second header on the front of a 5 minute PD video clip make it something a new content creator can say is "thiers"? | 19:02 |
| Matson | ok, well, then that definately helps | 19:03 |
| Matson | if a content creator selects the "This work is in the Public Domain" - then we should *not* allow them to also put any kind of license on it | 19:03 |
| Matson | ie, make them exclusive | 19:04 |
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| brianrowe | yes, it should be PD or a license not both | 19:04 |
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| Matson | thanks | 19:05 |
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| brianrowe | on adding a header, this probly does not create a new work. you need to do something creative to gain a new work. (this is up for debate some companies claim copyright in little things like indexes and page numbers) | 19:09 |
| brianrowe | adding subtitles or commenary on the other hand may create a new work where you have copyright at least in the added elements. Hope that helps. GL it looks like a great project | 19:11 |
| Matson | thank you | 19:11 |
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| paulproteus | ftobia, Er, no, don't make SFC tasks in CC.org! | 20:02 |
| paulproteus | greg-g, I was joking about making that task. (-: | 20:03 |
| * paulproteus waves quietly | 20:03 | |
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| greg-g | paulproteus: the task for ND icons? | 20:59 |
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| greg-g | s/icons/icon/ | 21:00 |
| paulproteus | I mean the SFC task. | 21:07 |
| greg-g | paulproteus: yeah, I figured, wasn't me who did it :) | 21:10 |
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| ftobia | nkinkade: can i get an account on one of the servers to run currybot full-time? | 21:46 |
| nkinkade | ftobia: Currybot is written in Python, right? | 21:49 |
| nkinkade | What's the possibility of it being integrated into Supybot, or perhaps installed as a module or plugin of Supybot (if that's even possible). | 21:50 |
| nkinkade | But, yeah, I can give you an account so that you can install it. | 21:50 |
| nkinkade | Probably on a8, I guess. | 21:50 |
| ftobia | what's supybot? | 21:51 |
| ftobia | currybot doesn't really install anything, it's just a git pull, buildout, and run. | 21:51 |
| currybot | ftobia: mmm... curry... | 21:51 |
| ftobia | ... | 21:51 |
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| nkinkade | ftobia: supybot is the program that is the cchelpbot, it does the logging on this channel. | 21:58 |
| nkinkade | cchelpbot` | 21:58 |
| greg-g | cchelpbot`: help | 21:59 |
| cchelpbot` | greg-g: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. | 21:59 |
| greg-g | cchelpbot`: list | 21:59 |
| cchelpbot` | greg-g: Admin, Channel, ChannelLogger, Config, Misc, Owner, and User | 21:59 |
| nkinkade | What is the backtick on the name. | 21:59 |
| nkinkade | Was that a misconfiguration on my part? | 21:59 |
| greg-g | cchelpbot`: help Channel | 21:59 |
| cchelpbot` | greg-g: (channel [<channel>] <name> [<value>]) -- If <value> is given, sets the channel configuration variable for <name> to <value> for <channel>. Otherwise, returns the current channel configuration value of <name>. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent in the channel itself. | 21:59 |
| Bovinity | it probably reloaded.. alternate nick | 21:59 |
| greg-g | yeah, what Bovinity said | 21:59 |
| nkinkade | Ah. It appears that the cchelpbot isn't very helpful. | 22:00 |
| greg-g | cchelpbot`: Owner | 22:00 |
| cchelpbot` | greg-g: Error: "Owner" is not a valid command. | 22:00 |
| nkinkade | Though it does dutifully log the channel. | 22:00 |
| Bovinity | cchelpbot`: you fail | 22:00 |
| cchelpbot` | Bovinity: Error: "you" is not a valid command. | 22:00 |
| greg-g | cchelpbot`: User | 22:00 |
| cchelpbot` | greg-g: Error: "User" is not a valid command. | 22:00 |
| greg-g | cchelpbot`: help User | 22:00 |
| cchelpbot` | greg-g: Error: There is no command "user". | 22:00 |
| greg-g | cchelpbot`: help config | 22:01 |
| cchelpbot` | greg-g: (config <name> [<value>]) -- If <value> is given, sets the value of <name> to <value>. Otherwise, returns the current value of <name>. You may omit the leading "supybot." in the name if you so choose. | 22:01 |
| ftobia | nkinkade: if i could just get a regular user account on a8 i could set up currybot. | 22:01 |
| greg-g | yeah, not very helpful at all | 22:01 |
| nkinkade | ftobia: Just send me an SSH public key and I'll get you an account. | 22:01 |
| ftobia | do we use passwords or SSH keys? | 22:01 |
| ftobia | can you use the one i'm using for git and svn? | 22:01 |
| nkinkade | Both. | 22:01 |
| greg-g | ssh ftw | 22:01 |
| nkinkade | ftobia: Sure I'll use that one. | 22:02 |
| ftobia | thanks. i can send it to you if that's easier. | 22:03 |
| nkinkade | ftobia: Try to login to a7.creativecommons.org with SSH. | 22:12 |
| ftobia | it asks me for a password. | 22:12 |
| nkinkade | The password to your account is in a file in your home directory, so just change your password and then delete that file. | 22:12 |
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| nkinkade | ftobia: There are two public keys in your authorized_keys file: | 22:13 |
| nkinkade | ssh-rsa AAAAB3NzaC1yc2EAAAABJQAAAIEAk5HrceSiymhVJLdjBCzebiS3SsieSEeJXHBmaNlOQgUvuc5g8b4+hRGHlbw1Gmi53eJjELfAE12Sk41k2qZmJ+2xy1ZALVoxadAAQXkj/VU3z+83WKx8dOQLzWnEEnziiWd/wvDBBE2KKHrhHB2MUDppw27pbKHCxxAkLSMRswE= frank@creativecommons.org | 22:13 |
| nkinkade | ssh-rsa AAAAB3NzaC1yc2EAAAABIwAAAQEAx3bCtPcY6oJN0Ip/W0YjuSTjLAl9itUQOeaYDC/eSgv2BMiiRnWjql6yiQf4PDdpRax7+eVWp+QESRIZfaznd3aJaqhuSWCwa3JkOK9KrK4RTMt54KeELb30QFQ6nUsE+6Mi7bw118+R+rpP1KsnZ9xMHs7kuNPc+AwbYC4yztY38+850teVhCv/wlQh4G3pxARpPxsW7ESWRv9Te0W+YFj/Cu394n1gZAZ3/JhnNJON40xS35AWUassA2MPycSA1Rw7s1wz7PgYOCNFZrQYHrNnkGnxAyrNyjNRGXKHuoiIilTUXhxUu2BKbGE8QAvrqAv7steaPwr8X04nYzDzmQ== frank@puma | 22:13 |
| nkinkade | (sorry a bit of an ugly paste) | 22:14 |
| ftobia | is that bad? | 22:14 |
| nkinkade | What? | 22:14 |
| nkinkade | Are they keys that your SSH client trying to use one of those? | 22:14 |
| ftobia | i hope so, both public and private keys are in my .ssh directory | 22:15 |
| nkinkade | Can you turn on verbose output of your connection? | 22:15 |
| ftobia | well, at least the 2nd one is. | 22:15 |
| nkinkade | It might give you some idea as to why it's failing. | 22:16 |
| nkinkade | What username is it using? | 22:16 |
| nkinkade | Make sure it's trying to login as "ftobia" | 22:16 |
| ftobia | oh alright | 22:16 |
| nkinkade | Maybe you were using frank. | 22:16 |
| ftobia | yeah i was | 22:16 |
| nkinkade | That would do it. | 22:16 |
| ftobia | yeah i'm in. thanks. | 22:16 |
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| greg-g | I pray for your speedy return, currybot | 22:18 |
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| Bovinity | currybot@mmm.curry.creativecommons.org | 22:22 |
| ftobia | currybot: list | 22:22 |
| currybot | (1) BHINDI MASALA (Delicacy of fresh okra cooked in onion gravy with sliced onions) | 22:22 |
| currybot | (2) MAKHANWALI TARKARI (Several fresh vegetables cooked in a butter-flavored curry) | 22:22 |
| currybot | (3) KALI MIRCHI KA MURGA (Chicken cubes cooked in curry flavored with black pepper) | 22:22 |
| currybot | (4) FRESH ASPARAGUS MEATBALL (Beef meatballs cooked with fresh asparagus, red onions, and tomato gravy) | 22:22 |
| ftobia | currybot: 1 | 22:25 |
| currybot | BHINDI MASALA (Delicacy of fresh okra cooked in onion gravy with sliced onions) Bhindi masala is the most famous dish of Northern India. The base is prepared with garam masala, vine ripened tomatoes, Indian spices, and then the sliced onions are added and stir fried adding fresh okra and cooking them till the oil separates. | 22:25 |
| currybot | $5.00 | 22:25 |
| ftobia | yeah currybot's here to stay. | 22:25 |
| greg-g | (credit for inspiration: Bovinity) FEATURE REQUEST: an email interface to currybot | 22:29 |
| Bovinity | could just have it mail out the list to everyone | 22:31 |
| greg-g | as soon as it notices a change to the website it emails cc-staff-curry@ the menu | 22:31 |
| nkinkade | I'm more in favor of getting rid of the currybot and simply having it generate an RSS feed and to drop it somewhere in the webroot. | 22:32 |
| nkinkade | The currybot is highly redundant, when multiple people have it list one after the other. | 22:33 |
| greg-g | nkinkade: this is true | 22:33 |
| nkinkade | But I don't really care one way or the other because I rarely get the curry from Mehfil, and I've yet to use the currybot. | 22:34 |
| nkinkade | But everyone seems to have fun with it, so it seems worth having just for the sake of fun and laughs. | 22:35 |
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| greg-g | office announcement: drinks after work? the 3 interns are going somewhere. | 23:33 |
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