Tuesday, 2008-06-24

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jibotveeliam is William Lawrence <http://zaxbypass.com>00:28
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rejoncase studies project launched...help me spread the word!01:03
rejonhttp://creativecommons.org/weblog/entry/839601:03
rejonhttp://creativecommons.org/press-releases/entry/839701:03
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rejonhttp://rejon.org/2008/06/24/launched-creative-commons-case-studies-project/01:36
rejonpaulproteus awake?01:43
rejonno a good way to do a SMW query to compare against page modify date?01:44
rejonwhat I really want is a random(12) of last posts to wiki01:44
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hdworakhi02:05
hdworakI've finally got my Internet connection back :)02:05
hdworakI've passed all the exams and moved out of the dormitory, so I'll be back to my university in September, after GSOC02:06
hdworaktonight I'm going to a conference in Szklarska Poręba - I've submitted a paper there BEFORE GSOC 2008; the conference takes place until this Sunday; I do not know whether I shall have the Internet connection there in the hotel!02:08
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hdworakwhen I come back on Monday, it's 100% about GSOC02:08
hdworakpaulproteus: please read the above when you get up :)02:09
hdworakah, and yes, on-line or off-line I'll work on GSOC during the conference days02:09
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basselhello every one :)04:48
basselany body know about CcHost development04:52
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ffmHey, is CC for code?07:48
DanL-MIT BSD or GPL is probably better07:48
ffmDanL-: We'd rather have something with a deed or something short.07:49
ffmDanL-: Why?07:49
ffmDanL-: And where's the v3 version of the GPL?07:56
ffm( the deed at least)07:56
hdworakffm: http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl.txt07:56
ffmhdworak: I know that, I'm looking for CC's wrapper.07:57
hdworakwhen it comes to software licences, creativecommons.org is a little bit outdated07:58
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jibotjgay is http://www.gnu.org/people/speakers.html#Gay09:18
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jibotconley is president of Free Culture at Virginia Tech and once peed his pants in high school and is Darryl McBride in disguise09:39
ffmIs'nt jibot nice?09:42
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conleyffm: I suppose09:43
conleybut he's ratted me out09:44
conleyNo one is supposed to know I'm actually Darryl McBride09:44
* ffm blogs it.09:44
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jibotftobia is the other tech intern at Creative Commons and head of RPI Free Culture10:39
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jibotdavidstrauss is "P" and not "P"10:42
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jibotSteren is sitting next to greg-g and from Nancy10:45
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nathanySteren: ftobia: do either of you have any experience with J2EE or Grails web app development?11:19
Sterennathany: mmm no sorry11:20
nathanynot a problem; didn't remember you mentioning it, but thought i'd check11:20
ftobianathany: vaguely.11:20
nathanyftobia: ok, we'll see where i'm at with this stuff when the api work is further along11:21
ftobiasounds good.11:21
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basselHi :)11:22
nathanyhi bassel11:23
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jibotbovinity is brilliant11:27
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paulproteusMaybe it's a bad sign that I'm surprised when my code works.11:38
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SterenAll : ok the mail notifications are up and running on teamspace. I tested daily reminders, they work fine too.11:41
iRobotdoes anyone kn ow how i could join luxcommons?11:41
paulproteusUh-oh, I'm running out of excuses to not do those tasks.11:41
hdworakpaulproteus: please read the above11:41
hdworaknathany: you were to correct the Wikipedia entry on Monday ("Extending Metadata")11:42
paulproteushdworak, Yay! re: Internet connection + passed exams11:42
hdworakok11:42
paulproteushdworak, See if you can get good connectivity there.11:42
hdworakI do hope so11:42
nathanyhdworak: you're right; it slipped on the list to today11:42
hdworakthe hotel belongs to the university that is organising the conference11:43
hdworakso I guess they should have the connection there11:43
paulproteusNaturally I hope that you can work on GSOC stuff from there.11:43
hdworakI will regardless of the availability of the connection11:43
paulproteusEither way, starting Monday, I'm glad to hear you'll be focusing on GSoC stuff, and I'll raise my expectations of you as a result. (-:11:43
paulproteusOkay, great.11:43
hdworakthe lack of the connection will just result in a lack of communication between us till Monday11:44
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paulproteus+111:44
hdworakthanks for your patience, I know that what I've been doing so far was not what GSOC was supposed to look like11:44
paulproteus(-:11:45
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ftobiacurrybot: 111:51
currybotCHANNA SAAG (Garbanzo beans cooked with fresh spinach puree) This is a very popular dish from Punjab the northern part of India. Here garbanzo beans are first cooked in a ginger, garlic and tomato based curry and then fresh spinach puree is added to the beans and cooked well so that the flavor of both mixes with each other.11:51
currybot$5.0011:51
ftobiacurrybot: 211:51
currybotKADHAI KI BHAJI (Fresh vegetables cooked with red onions, tomatoes, & spices in a heavy iron utensil) Kadhai is a heavy iron, wide rim, wok like Indian cooking utensil and very popular in India. Here fresh assorted vegetables like carrots, blue lake beans, red creamers, mushrooms, cauliflower, eggplants, bell peppers are cooked with some Indian spices and stirred till the water disappears from the wok and remains in the vegetables11:51
currybot$5.0011:51
mecredishahah11:52
mecredisthat's awesome11:53
paulproteusnkinkade, nathany, bovinity: http://web.media.mit.edu/~rusti/eRiceCooker/11:53
paulproteusesp. nkinkade11:53
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paulproteusassert "Hacked by Chinese!" in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Code_Red_worm11:53
paulproteusIIS 5, those were the good old days.11:57
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jibotjgay is http://www.gnu.org/people/speakers.html#Gay12:15
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ftobiacurrybot: list12:24
bovinitycurrybot: 312:25
ftobiai think i broke him. one minute.12:25
bovinity:(12:25
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jibotrejon is a killer MC from staten island and is the 10th member of the wutang clan and http://www.rejon.org/12:26
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ftobiacurrybot: 312:28
currybotMURG VINDALOO (Chicken cubes cooked in a spicy curry sauce with small cubes of russets) Vindaloo originates from Goa situated in the southeast part of India. Vindaloo is enjoyed all over now, it was first prepared with pork, and then was tried with lamb and chicken. Here chicken is marinated with red chilies and then cooked in a curry with hint of vinegar with some goan spices, at last cubes of cooked russets are added.12:28
currybot$ 5.0012:28
ftobiacurrybot: list12:28
currybot(1) CHANNA SAAG (Garbanzo beans cooked with fresh spinach puree) This is a very popular dish from Punjab the northern part of India. Here garbanzo beans are first cooked in a ginger, garlic and tomato based curry and then fresh spinach puree is added to the beans and cooked well so that the flavor of both mixes with each other.12:28
currybot(2) KADHAI KI BHAJI (Fresh vegetables cooked with red onions, tomatoes, & spices in a heavy iron utensil) Kadhai is a heavy iron, wide rim, wok like Indian cooking utensil and very popular in India. Here fresh assorted vegetables like carrots, blue lake beans, red creamers, mushrooms, cauliflower, eggplants, bell peppers are cooked with some Indian spices and stirred till the water disappears from the wok and remains in the vegeta12:28
currybot(3) MURG VINDALOO (Chicken cubes cooked in a spicy curry sauce with small cubes of russets) Vindaloo originates from Goa situated in the southeast part of India. Vindaloo is enjoyed all over now, it was first prepared with pork, and then was tried with lamb and chicken. Here chicken is marinated with red chilies and then cooked in a curry with hint of vinegar with some goan spices, at last cubes of cooked russets are added.12:28
rejonshit, its already lunch?12:28
currybot(4) MEATBALL HARAYALA (Meatball cooked in fresh spinach, red onions, and tomato gravy) There are very few dishes, which are cooked with Asafetida; a dry gum of a particular tree found in upper Himalaya, The proper use of this gum is used to prepare several medicines treating stomach ailments and defective digestion system. Here Beef meatball is cooked with the freshly chopped spinach adding over a blend of twenty spices in the gra12:28
ftobianot quite, i think.12:29
tim_hwangman, number two all the way12:30
ftobiai dunno, i'm looking at #112:30
greg-ghow about a 1/2 combo?12:31
ftobiai feel like #2 was the same #2 from yesterday.12:32
bovinityah, another year, another set of curry obsessed interns12:33
nathanyftobia: how about making "list" only show the numbers and titles (up to the end of the parens)12:35
nathany(and don't forget to push your changes)12:35
nathany;)12:35
ftobiayeah i'm working on it12:35
ftobiaheh12:35
nathanylol12:35
tim_hwangbreaking news: upcoming on currybot -- karma12:40
nathanywtf12:40
ftobiayeah that's in version 2.012:40
tim_hwangmeatball harayala++12:40
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ftobiaI AM SO CONFUSED.12:41
paulproteuscurrybot_, make me a sandwich12:41
currybot_currybot_ initializing telecom12:41
greg-gsudo currybot_ make me a sandwich12:41
currybot_paulproteus, authorizing charges...12:42
bovinitymycurryinahurry.com, the next big social network12:42
paulproteus?google mehfil lunch12:43
jibotSearch for mehfil lunch: 0.242 seconds. Showing first 3 of 11400 sites12:43
jibotMehfil Indian Lunch Take-Out Menu - http://mehfilindian.com/LunchMenuTakeOut.htm12:43
jibotMehfil Indian Dine In Lunch Menu - http://mehfilindian.com/LunchMenuDineIn.htm12:43
jibotI cannot search mehfil lunch. Dr. Chandra, I'm ready to stop the countdown if you want.12:43
paulproteusjibot, Please stop the countdown.12:43
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paulproteus?google gaim freeculture irc12:44
jibotSearch for gaim freeculture irc: 0.360 seconds. Showing first 3 of 3190 sites12:44
jibotIRC with Gaim - FreeCulture.org Wiki - http://wiki.freeculture.org/IRC_with_Gaim12:44
jibotIRC - FreeCulture.org Wiki - http://wiki.freeculture.org/IRC12:44
jibotFreeCulture.org community chat, Wed. night: msg#00000 - http://osdir.com/ml/freeculture.discuss/2005-12/msg00000.html12:44
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jgaypaulproteus: who runs ccLearn?12:45
paulproteusAhrash Bissell12:46
paulproteusfirstname@creativecommons.org12:46
paulproteusgreg-g, http://developer.pidgin.im/ticket/6019 is a great bug.12:47
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paulproteusgrace2, Hi!12:47
paulproteus/whois grace12:47
paulproteus/say /whois grace12:48
paulproteus/say /say /whois grace12:48
hdworakyes, we've got that12:48
hdworak:)12:48
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paulproteusgrace2, Feel free to join #ccinterns (maybe pigdgin makes that a link?)12:50
paulproteus(right click on it maybe?)12:50
jgaypaulproteus: do you know why everything on cclearn is being done in secret?12:51
paulproteusAsk grace2!12:51
* paulproteus hides12:51
paulproteusI helped my Uncle Jack off a horse.12:52
greg-gyes, capitalization DOES indeed matter12:52
grace2in secret?12:53
paulproteus?def grace212:53
jibotNobody has defined grace2 yet12:53
jgaygrace2: sure, there are all these cool projects being developed in secret12:53
rejonsecret wastes o time12:54
paulproteusrejon, !12:54
jgaygrace2: Universal education search and ODEPO Project12:54
paulproteus?def jgay12:54
jibotjgay is http://www.gnu.org/people/speakers.html#Gay12:54
jgayunless there is just no progress12:54
rejonthose better get released on new labs blog12:54
jgaybut if there is no progress, then all the more reason to not do them in secret, so the other 9 billion or so people on earth can help :-)12:55
jgay6 billion?12:55
greg-gish12:55
currybot_rejon got the fonts and stuff, but do you have a copy of the presentation?12:55
paulproteusTim, I can't get over your nick.12:55
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rejonwhat the hell...currybot_ lives!12:56
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ftobiacurrybot: 112:56
jgaygrace2: for instance, the mediawiki site being developed, it should have a dev site, like one of my side projects has, see: http://216.93.249.195/wiki/index.php/Main_Page12:56
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paulproteusjgay, ODEPO (the MW site) just gets edits on the main CC wiki12:57
jgaythis way volunteers can jump in from the start figuring out what the semantic metadata is, and improving forms, and testing as we go -- if you develop it in secret, and then launch it, it won't feel like a community12:57
paulproteusLunchpad12:57
jgaypaulproteus: so ODEPO is just the main CC site?12:57
jgaywith the semantic-mediawiki.org extension?12:58
paulproteusjgay, It's a series of pages and annotations hosted on wiki.creativecommons.org12:58
jgaydoes it also use semantic forms?12:58
paulproteusYa.12:58
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jgaypaulproteus: sweet, ok, one not in secret. Now, I must find the other project.12:58
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ftobiacurrybot: 112:58
currybotCHANNA SAAG (Garbanzo beans cooked with fresh spinach puree) This is a very popular dish from Punjab the northern part of India. Here garbanzo beans are first cooked in a ginger, garlic and tomato based curry and then fresh spinach puree is added to the beans and cooked well so that the flavor of both mixes with each other.12:58
currybot$5.0012:58
ftobiacurrybot: 312:58
currybotMURG VINDALOO (Chicken cubes cooked in a spicy curry sauce with small cubes of russets) Vindaloo originates from Goa situated in the southeast part of India. Vindaloo is enjoyed all over now, it was first prepared with pork, and then was tried with lamb and chicken. Here chicken is marinated with red chilies and then cooked in a curry with hint of vinegar with some goan spices, at last cubes of cooked russets are added.12:58
currybot$ 5.0012:58
ftobiacurrybot: list12:59
jgaypaulproteus: now where lives http://learn.creativecommons.org/projects/oesearch12:59
currybot(1) CHANNA SAAG (Garbanzo beans cooked with fresh spinach puree)12:59
currybot(2) KADHAI KI BHAJI (Fresh vegetables cooked with red onions, tomatoes, & spices in a heavy iron utensil)12:59
currybot(3) MURG VINDALOO (Chicken cubes cooked in a spicy curry sauce with small cubes of russets)12:59
currybot(4) MEATBALL HARAYALA (Meatball cooked in fresh spinach, red onions, and tomato gravy)12:59
paulproteusjgay, The other one is purely nathany's work, and you should check with him.12:59
paulproteuscurrybot, !list12:59
paulproteuscurrybot, !xbins12:59
paulproteuscurrybot, !dropbox12:59
jgaynathany: http://learn.creativecommons.org/projects/oesearch ?12:59
paulproteuslame bot for #cc ):12:59
jgayhow can I get involved?12:59
paulproteuscurrybot, !validate 433322145672125412:59
currybot_paulproteus: validated13:00
currybot_paulproteus: now in secure mode13:00
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jgayI thought currybot was tim_hwang yesterday13:02
nathanyjgay: how do you want to get involved?13:02
nathanyjgay: the currybot is software :)13:02
jgaynathany: I want to improve search for free educational resources13:02
nathanyright...13:03
nathanywe're working on enabling metadata-enhanced search with Nutch13:03
nathanyand using feeds, OAI-PMH sources in order to run a directed crawl13:03
nathanyso if you're interested in working on code, i can point you to the source repository13:03
jgaynathany: I like this approach: http://theinfo.org/13:03
jgayto allow humans to help13:03
jgayI want something like oer.thinfo.org13:04
nathanywhat would be there? just a list of datasets and interface to add to them?13:04
jgaynathany: I can jump in and start looking at the code and then recruit more to help13:04
jgaynathany: sure, it would be the base from which a community works.13:04
nathanyright... but i'm not certain building an OER community is one of our goals13:05
nathanywe're interested in metadata-enabled search and education is a great testing domain13:05
jgaynathany: sharing is cool though13:05
nathanyabsolutely13:05
jgayso shraing process is also cool13:05
jgaysharing process and goals is largely the underpinnings of community13:06
jgaynathany: but, no matter, I'd love to begin hacking and learning about your strategy and helping if I can13:07
nathanyi'm not sure what "sharing process" means, exactly... sharing how we're doing the indexing/crawling?13:07
paulproteusrejon, http://downloads.openmoko.org/framework/milestone1/FrameworkMilestone1.m4v13:07
jgaynathany: indexing and crawling are the goals right now, but is that all the project hopes to be over the long term?13:07
nathanythe project hopes to demonstrate how you can use metadata from multiple sources to enhance search13:08
nathanyjgay: http://code.creativecommons.org/viewsvn/oenutch/trunk/13:08
jgaynathany: great. And people add metadata, right?13:08
nathanyto their pages13:08
jgaynathany: great, so we have community13:09
nathanyright, except the community is the web :)13:09
jgaynathany: sure, but, the ones that want to make sure their educational resources are being scraped and care about that are all part of that.13:09
nathanywe're probably saying the same thing13:09
nathanyright13:09
jgaynathany: that's the community I care about. I want to work to inform and educate people about effectively sharing their data13:10
jgayand knowledge13:10
nathanyawesome :)13:10
jgaynathany: one thing I'm working on right now, for instance, is to share reviews and comments on educational resources13:10
nathanycool; how're you going about that?13:10
jgaynathany: in two ways. The first is to encourage people to create concrete points to educational resources. So, i'm redoing textbookrevolution.org13:11
jgayso, check out http://216.93.249.195/wiki13:12
jgayand look at a given resource and click edit (it uses the semantic forms plugin)13:12
jgaymy semantic metadata that I'm building up is based on carefully choosing words from the ERIC thesaurus13:12
nathanyjgay: interesting13:13
jgaynathany: the second way is to develop an hReview widget that people can add to their site and that uses an annotation-store, so that people can pull annotations/reviews/comments from a store13:13
jgaynathany: the widget is mostly done -- it's a google summer of code project13:13
jgaynathany: since semantic mediawiki allows you to share ontologies, I will be exporting my educational resource ontology to wiki.laptop.org so that we can share and tag and review resources with the same tags13:14
nathanythe wiki looks cool, although we're also focused on getting people to mark their resources directly (ie, using RDFa)13:14
jgaynathany: right, and ccLearn has a gsoc intern working on RDFa support fo rthe semantic-mediawiki.org plugin13:14
nathanyCC does, yeah13:15
jgaynathany: I also want to get people to use RDFa directly -- and once that fix is added to semantic-mediawiki.org, I hope to begin using that as well, so that the generated code is RDFa13:15
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jgaynathany: I'm hoping that this textbook revolution remake that should be launching soon will be a good learning process -- figuring out what metadata language is useful -- I think pulling from ERIC is the way to go13:16
nathanydo you have a link to the ERIC resource you're pulling from?13:16
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jgaynathany: I'm trying to keep the discussion going, here: http://216.93.249.195/wiki/index.php/Main_Page#Ontology_building13:17
nathanythanks13:17
jgaynathany: having this kind of discussion doesn't belong on the TBR site, though, and I don't want to start picking too many things without more discussion with you guys13:18
paulproteusQuote of the week: "You're claiming to be open source, yet you've LOST the source code decades ago."13:18
jgaynathany: PM?13:18
nathanyPM?13:18
jgayprivate message13:19
nathanyoh sure13:19
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jibotK`Tetch is the administrator of the US Pirate Party (http://pirate-party.us)13:21
K`Tetchoh, didn't know about here13:22
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basselhi rejon13:26
basselrejon: we've talked earlier about ccHost development on the mail list13:27
rejongreg-g: http://semantic-mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Inline_queries13:34
rejonhi bassel: let me get back to you in a few...in meetings13:34
mecredisrejon: do you have a linik to a jamendo album in the wild using cc+13:35
mecredis?13:35
paulproteusmecredis, You know Magnatune does it, right?13:35
mecredisyeah13:35
mecredisjust digging throguh it13:35
paulproteusEr I just Googled for "mamendo"13:36
paulproteusmagnatune + jamendo = "did not match any documents"13:36
mecredisheh13:36
paulproteusmecredis, http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Ccplus indicates yes13:36
mecredisyeah13:36
basselrejon: tyt13:36
mecredisI know13:36
paulproteusmecredis, You should drop some links there when you find them / pull 'em out of screenshots13:36
mecredisjust wanted the link13:36
mecredisfound something13:36
mecredisyeah13:36
rejonweird, they removed the cc+ link13:36
rejonwas on the donate button13:36
rejonneed to email them about13:36
mecredis: /13:36
mecredisthrowing together a pres for a LUG tonight13:37
rejonstarting email to sylvain13:37
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nathanycurrybot: 313:47
currybotMURG VINDALOO (Chicken cubes cooked in a spicy curry sauce with small cubes of russets) Vindaloo originates from Goa situated in the southeast part of India. Vindaloo is enjoyed all over now, it was first prepared with pork, and then was tried with lamb and chicken. Here chicken is marinated with red chilies and then cooked in a curry with hint of vinegar with some goan spices, at last cubes of cooked russets are added.13:47
currybot$ 5.0013:47
paulproteusOh, vindaloo!13:48
paulproteusIt's supposed to be approximately the spiciest thing in the world.13:48
K`Tetchnah13:49
nathanycurrybot: list13:49
currybot(1) CHANNA SAAG (Garbanzo beans cooked with fresh spinach puree)13:49
currybot(2) KADHAI KI BHAJI (Fresh vegetables cooked with red onions, tomatoes, & spices in a heavy iron utensil)13:49
currybot(3) MURG VINDALOO (Chicken cubes cooked in a spicy curry sauce with small cubes of russets)13:49
currybot(4) MEATBALL HARAYALA (Meatball cooked in fresh spinach, red onions, and tomato gravy)13:49
K`Tetchphall's ggotter13:49
K`Tetchhotter13:49
K`Tetchand there's a special one in north-east england, made just to be the hottest, called a 'mag-maloo'13:50
K`Tetch(not onyl as magma = heat, but the newcastle football team are the Magpies)13:50
mecredishave you guys seen this:13:50
mecredishttp://www.beigerecords.com/cory/pizza_party/13:50
mecredisftobia: ?13:50
K`TetchI'm british, i know my curreys13:51
mecredismade by an artist friend of mine13:51
rejondamn, this chat channel is a party now13:51
rejon37 ppl!13:51
mecredisthat google party man13:51
rejonbots gone wild13:51
mecredisoff the hook13:51
rejonoff the hizzzook13:52
currybot_reminder: lunch soon13:52
mecredishahaha13:54
nathanycurry anyone?13:55
ftobiathat's pretty awesome.13:56
ftobiai'm totally up for #1. except i need an ATM.13:56
nathanyi'm visiting the LOLatm on the way13:56
rejonyesssss13:56
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ftobiawoot++13:57
paulproteusgrace2, here: http://xrl.us/foznr14:08
jgaynathany_curry: check out http://pics.discosoup.net/jQuery/hreviewpopup.html -- the jquery version of this should be done by the end of the week along with some other stuff ... you'll be able to query reviews from a given resource, and you'll have information on from what site the review originated14:10
paulproteusI hope you're providing an RDFa namespace for this microformat data. (-;14:12
jgaypaulproteus: well, Matt will eventually be doing that14:13
paulproteusMatt Lee?14:13
jgaypaulproteus: no, matthew harrison -- he's the gsoc student working on this14:14
paulproteusOh, awesome.14:14
paulproteusBTW, it doesn't do escaping properly.14:14
paulproteusAre you making HTML by string concatenation?14:14
paulproteusI guess the jQuery version might fix that just by using nicer libraries.14:14
jgaypaulproteus: it's just his learning project, to learn jquery and begin down this road. Now that he's mostly caught up on his javascript and jquery knowledge, we can start doing prettier design14:15
paulproteusOkay, cool. (-:14:15
jgaypaulproteus: we'll be meeting up this coming weekend to hack and design. John Resig offered to meet us for lunch :-)14:15
paulproteusOh, that's nice!14:15
paulproteusAre you in Boston or SF?14:15
paulproteusI seem to recall SF.14:16
paulproteusBut the association with FSF confuses me.14:16
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paulproteuscurrybot, 214:29
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paulproteusHmm, currybot must not be functioning.14:29
poningrudrat14:29
bovinitycurrybot doesn't respond to commas14:32
currybotbovinity: mmm... curry...14:32
poningrucurrybot14:33
poningrucurrybot: gaah?14:33
currybotponingru: mmm... curry...14:33
poningru...14:33
paulproteuscurrybot: 2 baby14:34
currybotpaulproteus: mmm... curry...14:34
paulproteuscurrybot: 214:34
currybotKADHAI KI BHAJI (Fresh vegetables cooked with red onions, tomatoes, & spices in a heavy iron utensil) Kadhai is a heavy iron, wide rim, wok like Indian cooking utensil and very popular in India. Here fresh assorted vegetables like carrots, blue lake beans, red creamers, mushrooms, cauliflower, eggplants, bell peppers are cooked with some Indian spices and stirred till the water disappears from the wok and remains in the vegetables14:34
currybot$5.0014:34
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bovinitynkinkade: http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/wordpress_26_beta_1_is_now_ava.php14:45
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paulproteusSteren, You saw my email re: bogue?15:05
Sterenyes I'm replying to it15:05
paulproteusGreat (-:15:06
nathanypaulproteus: bogue, wasn't that an early 90's, madonna-fueled dance craze?15:07
paulproteusI think I was trying to stay away from Madonna-fueled dance crazes in the early '90s.15:07
nathanyyour loss15:07
nathanyrejon: (et al): i would twitter that i'm making more coffee but twitter is sucking now15:08
nathanybovinity: i suppose if twitter ever fixed the "track" feature you could use that instead of a dedicated twitter account15:09
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jgaywow, I feel like such a troll sometime. soryr about the whole "privacy" accusation thing earlier. I get moody.15:14
jgayI meant it more like a secret agent, not a troll :-)15:15
ankitgjgay: =)15:16
jgayankitg: how goes?15:17
ankitgreading up on paul-proteus's python code ...15:17
ankitgwill need to modify it ... to plug into my project ...15:18
DanL-jgay what "privacy" accusation?15:18
* DanL- missed the drama.15:18
* ankitg missed the "drama" too ...15:19
jgayDanL-: Must I repeat my mistakes twice? I just wanted to dive into code and made an accusation that ccLearn projects were being done in private because I couldn't figure out how to help. But, I was put in the right direction.15:19
DanL-oh.15:19
DanL-that's not interesting15:19
DanL-sorry.15:19
DanL-:(15:19
ankitg:P15:19
jgaythanks15:19
jgay:-P15:19
jgayankitg: what code?15:20
ankitghttp://code.creativecommons.org/viewsvn/log_analysis/sisynala/main.py?revision=3853&view=markup&pathrev=3853 << that code15:20
ankitgsisynala.main ... takes logs and sort of tokenizes them so they can be compared ...15:21
DanL-what's ccLearn?15:21
ankitgjgay ^ ^15:21
K`Tetchbrianrowe - can you give me a shout when you have a few15:22
ankitgDanL-:  ccLearn is a division of Creative Commons which is dedicated to realizing the full potential of the Internet to support open learning and open educational resources (OER). Our mission is to minimize barriers to sharing and reuse of educational materials — legal barriers, technical barriers, and social barriers. - http://learn.creativecommons.org/15:22
DanL-hmm15:22
DanL-interesting15:22
jgayI like to call them "free educational resources," because I think sharing and freedom are the fundamental principles that should be promoted.15:23
DanL-anything wikia search can do to help?15:24
jgayDanL-: i was thinking the same thing!15:24
jgayI looked at what ccLearn is doing, and I'm like, wow, wikia and ccLearn should be in close contact15:24
DanL-really?15:24
DanL-wow.15:24
DanL-So, wwhat's the idea? :)15:25
DanL-where are you located?15:26
* DanL- sees a twitter acct that could be yours15:26
jgayDanL-: So, a lot of what ccLearn is trying to set up scrapers and databases for searching and organizing educational resources. I see Wikia as the (logical) complement to that, in terms of getting people to help do some of the leg work.15:26
DanL-esp considering Jimmy is on ccLearn's advisory board heh15:27
jgayDanL-: but, i can't speak for ccLearn, since I'm just a newb trying to help15:27
DanL-That's OK15:27
DanL-who *can* speak for cclearn?15:27
jgayBut, I'm concerned that humans (and in particular educator humans) aren't closely involved in this at the beginning stages, so I want to see how they can be. So I'm diving into the code, and also diving into educator communities for other projects.15:27
jgayDanL-: Ahrash BissellAhrash N. Bissell, Executive Director, ccLearn15:28
DanL-you should subscribe to http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/search-l15:28
jgayAhrash N. Bissell, Executive Director, ccLearn15:28
DanL-ok15:29
DanL-cool15:29
jgayDanL-: OK, I will. I'm also doing some related things with content stamping/content-curation with OLPC and a new project to recreate textbookrevolution.org (see http://216.93.249.195/wiki) -- both of which I think should be discussed with everyone doing similar things15:29
DanL-reading15:29
jgayDanL-: the more interesting stuff happens when you edit a particular book entry15:30
jgayDanL-: like http://216.93.249.195/wiki/index.php?title=Biology_Lessons_at_SDSU&action=formedit15:30
DanL-http://learn.creativecommons.org/opportunities-in-open-education/#ccLearn%20Counsel%20and%20Assistant%20Director requires one be in SF, too bad so sad15:30
jgayDanL-: are you a lawyer?15:31
DanL-jgay -- semantic MW?15:31
DanL-yes15:31
jgayDanL-: yeah, with the forms plugin. For educational resources, I want to start pulling from ERIC ontology.15:31
DanL-interesting15:32
jgaywhich is a really large education tag cloud used on lots of works. But, we are setting up a review widget and a review store that will let sites share reviews of resources as well as descriptions of resources15:32
DanL-okay15:33
DanL-that's def interesting15:33
DanL-but let's do one thing at a time :)15:33
jgayDanL-: There are more than one of us.15:34
DanL-I'm barely one!15:34
jgayDanL-: do you mean discuss one at a time, or implement one thing at a time?15:34
DanL-either/both?15:34
DanL-I'm a conduit to the search project at Wikia, not Wikia in general, fwiw15:35
jgayDanL-: Cool. I'm not affiliated with nor can I speak for ccLearn, so, I can only talk about the work I'm doing and what I'm trying to tie it into. I'd like to tie my work in with ccLearn and Wikia and OLPC and others.15:36
DanL-Oh I getcha15:36
DanL-so the idea is to bridge your project w/both ccLean and Wikia (and others)15:36
DanL-awesome.15:36
DanL-let's figure out how :)15:36
jgayDanL-: So, the way I look at it is that we all want this POSIX standard for the great Educational Resources operating system of the Internet.15:37
jgaySo, in order to create something that matches well to that metaphor, we need better awareness of the details of each others projects: what and how we are doing things and where we want to go.15:38
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DanL-Right15:40
DanL-which is why I suggested joining our list :)15:40
DanL-So, what's your story?15:41
DanL-actually15:42
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rejon39 ppl. crazy!16:07
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greg-gFree as in Fascism16:26
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rejonhahahaha16:41
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paulproteusnknathany, Whenever you wanna stand.16:52
paulproteusnk... + nathany16:52
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paulproteusrepeated Quote of the week: "You're claiming to be open source, yet you've LOST the source code decades ago."16:53
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bovinityi LOST my source code on an island16:59
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greg-goh no, not the island test for freedom17:08
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jibotdavidstrauss is "P" and not "P"17:19
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rejonwhoa, cool17:34
rejonsymbian open sourced by nokia! http://www.funambol.com/blog/capo/2008/06/symbian-goes-open-source-any-more.html17:34
rejonhttp://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/slashphone/~3/318856447/mobile-leaders-to-unify-the-symbian-software-platform-2474117:35
currybot_rejon sweet!17:38
rejonunder eclipse license17:38
rejonhttp://www.symbianfoundation.org/17:38
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bovinityrejon: revised sidebar on staging....17:44
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nathanygood curry color today: http://www.flickr.com/photos/nathan_y/2608544342/in/photostream/18:03
K`Tetchso i guess #cc means 'curry channel'18:04
bovinitynathany: http://www.flickr.com/photos/bovinity/2608700926/18:06
bovinitycurry is serious business18:07
nathany:)18:08
nathanyK`Tetch: uh, yeah18:08
paulproteus"Im just trying to talk sense in you all."18:11
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paulproteus"Your code is consistent, but I don't see any evidence that it's correct."18:28
greg-gpaulproteus: which list was that one from?18:30
paulproteusbcm43xx-dev18:31
greg-gahh18:31
paulproteusDays like these, I thank my policy of staying on lists long after they're relevant to me.18:31
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ankitgpaulproteus: I am here (@ 5 am) ... thanks for the email though ...18:47
paulproteusankitg, (-:18:47
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ankitgpaulproteus: so i should boil me brains over the awesome "sisynala.main" python script?18:48
paulproteusankitg, Not quite yet - first you should read the Varnish logs.18:48
paulproteusTo see if they have everything you want, as opposed to the less-than-useful Apache logs.18:48
paulproteusAnd *then* yes, sisynala indeed.18:48
paulproteusIt's not very hard.18:48
ankitgokie, the Varnish logs are in A5, A7, And A8 if I recall correctly ...18:49
paulproteusIf you check out the CC svn repository's log_analysis module, you'll see some code of mine that uses sisynala.18:49
ankitgyep, I spent the day-before toying with that ... once I got to sisynala, and took a look, I got most of it ...18:49
paulproteusAwesome.18:50
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ankitgthe shell script doing the grep GET seem unnecessary ... as most of the logs have  GET in each line18:50
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ankitgI say most coz I've only sampled a few and assuming that some may not ... but I am assuming that almost all [if not all] have a GET in each line ...18:51
paulproteusankitg, Yeah, but "maybe" there's some people POSTing.18:52
paulproteusAnd in that case, we can't analyze the query string arguments.18:52
paulproteusBTW this was all written in one totally insane day and then never looked at again.18:52
ankitgah, actually there were a few of those, but in the logs I should be looking in ...18:52
paulproteusSo it may show warts from the kind of thinking that creates.18:52
ankitgnoted ... I am assuming grep 'GET' | egrep [?] does the same thing as grep 'GET' (as far as I know) and thus was a result of this ...18:53
paulproteusYes, agreed.18:55
ankitgalso just out of curiosity (and so that I may also learn something) ... what are sibling imports?18:55
paulproteusWhere do you see that term?18:56
ankitga comment in your script18:56
paulproteusIt may have to do with a particular curiosity of how one builds nested Python packages.18:56
paulproteuspaulproteus@sf:~/cctools/log_analysis $ grep sibling *18:56
paulproteuspaulproteus@sf:~/cctools/log_analysis $18:56
paulproteus?18:56
ankitgimport cgi18:57
ankitgimport re18:57
ankitgimport sys18:57
ankitg#sibling imports18:57
ankitgimport agentparsing18:57
ankitgimport config18:57
ankitgimport excludes18:57
ankitgimport geographic18:57
ankitgimport graphing18:57
ankitgimport refsearch18:57
ankitgimport util18:57
paulproteusI don't think it's my script, maybe that's part of sisynala?18:57
ankitgyes18:58
paulproteusI see - I didn't write sisynala, I just used it.18:58
ankitgah sisynala is based on something else ... ah yes, the copyright notice ...18:58
paulproteusBut if this is the module sisynala.main, then presumably it's that module importing what you would otherwise see as sisynala.geographic.18:59
paulproteusetc.18:59
ankitgokie, I get it ... it's a relative referencing notice sort of a thing ...18:59
paulproteusRight - if you want to be twisted, you could even access it as sisynala.main.geographic!19:00
ankitgk' ... I had a question though ... these scripts will be run before the logs are gz-ed and up-ped on to S3 ...19:00
paulproteusOh, right - I saw that question.19:00
paulproteusNot necessarily.19:01
ankitgah and the answer is ... ? (-:19:01
ankitgoh ...19:01
paulproteusSomething we could do is:19:01
paulproteus(a) do it that way - run your scripts before upload of the logs19:01
paulproteus(b) Create a virtual machine in Amazon's EC2 cloud and run your scripts there, since if we do that, the bandwidth to and from S3 is free of charge19:01
paulproteus(c) Download all the logs for some period and run it on one of our machines (or, say, yours)19:01
paulproteusnathany leans toward (b).19:01
paulproteusI seem to recall you don't have much Linux experience - is that right?19:02
ankitgI am on a mac .... getting linux is no issue ...19:02
ankitgI lean towards (b) as well ...19:02
ankitgmy only concern being making a copy of the original logs before messing with them ...19:02
paulproteusI don't quite follow?19:03
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paulproteusIf we do (b) we can just make sure you don't write, or we can make spurious local copies of the logs.19:03
ankitgah, (b) with no writing privilege to the CC bucket is possible?19:04
paulproteusPerhaps.19:04
ankitgthen we can have another bucket for analysis and write then ... and I'll help "safe" knowing even in the worst case scenario, we don't lose the logs ...19:05
ankitg*and write there19:05
paulproteusI ask about Linux experience because (b) will require installing a Linux machine in the Amazon EC2 space, which I hope you could do yourself rather than e.g. me doing it.19:05
paulproteusRight, that'd be great - just code that way (-:19:05
ankitghmmm ... so to run the script "this machine" would have to always online ... or at least when the script is to be run ...19:07
ankitgor is it just to upload the script to EC2 and then it'll run there as a cron job?19:08
* ankitg doubts linux is really required to do this ... 19:11
* ankitg goes on to read about EC219:11
ankitgpaulproteus: I can use EC2 from my mac =)19:14
ankitgLink :: http://paulstamatiou.com/2008/04/05/how-to-getting-started-with-amazon-ec219:14
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nkinkadepaulproteus: There is large disparity between the contents of your public_html directories on a5 and a6.19:17
paulproteusnkinkade, Agreed.19:17
nkinkadeDid you move the necessary stuff already?19:17
paulproteusNo.19:17
paulproteusWill do so this instant.19:17
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nkinkadeNo problem.  I haven't done anything either, but I wanted to make myself feel better by pointing out that you hadn't done anything either.19:17
paulproteusnkinkade, Everything goes => a6, right?19:17
nkinkadeRight ... everything --> a6 .... well, move/edit anything that is related or dependent on labs.19:18
paulproteusnkinkade, Can you maybe just configure /~paulproteus/ to be proxied to a5, actually, and I'll just maintain that as my one true public_html?19:19
nkinkadeSure.19:19
paulproteus(Yes, a5 - it'll be way easier for me, and "just one config option" for you)19:19
paulproteusAwesome.19:19
* ankitg got disconnected ... no better reminder of where you are in the meatspace ...19:19
nkinkadeOkay, so don't move anything.19:20
paulproteusI will move all my a6 stuff to a5 actually.19:20
nkinkadeOkay, move some things.19:20
paulproteus(-:19:20
nkinkade:-)19:20
nkinkadedualing smileys!19:20
paulproteusDueling!19:22
rejonok, how could we pull case studies snippet onto the main page of the cc site19:23
rejonother than scraping19:23
rejonif we could get a feed19:23
bovinitydump another feed onto the homepage.. yeah..19:24
rejonthat would be cool, and then we would have our realized vision of that right-sidebar!!! :)19:26
bovinityactually, yeah, we would19:27
bovinityonly a year later19:27
ankitgpaulproteus: I can get this going from my mac ... but I'll need a X.509 certificate from Amazon to set this up ... do I bug you for one, or someone else?19:30
paulproteusrejon, bovinity, SMW has an RSS export method19:30
bovinityit does?19:31
bovinityi could swear i asked you about that before, adn you said it didn't19:31
paulproteusEr, I think it does.19:31
bovinitymaybe when i asked, it didn't.19:31
paulproteusWell, even if it doesn't, we now know how to give it one.19:31
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paulproteushttp://semantic-mediawiki.org/wiki/Semantic_MediaWiki_1.0_released refers to "Semantic RSS feeds" as a new feature.19:32
rejonawesome19:32
paulproteusankitg, Probably from us.  Email nkinkade and nahtany and CC: me.19:32
paulproteusI have looked into this only the tiniest bit.19:32
paulproteusSo quote verbosely from the Amazon docs.19:32
paulproteusI have to run!19:32
ankitgokie ... I'll pull out the how to and attach that to the email ... thanks =)19:32
paulproteusOr just a link, but point me to sections.19:33
paulproteusNo need to attach if it19:33
paulproteus's a wholesale doc.19:33
ankitgnoted19:33
rejonpaulproteus: example url on our wiki?19:35
paulproteusrejon, We'd have to make one.19:35
paulproteusAnd I'm out for the day, I'm going to "not work" now from the little glass table room.19:35
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bovinityhow convenient!19:38
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bovinityi'm going to go and not work now from the comfort of the east bound bay bridge.19:40
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nkinkadepaulproteus: http://a6.creativecommons.org/~paulproteus/lol.html19:48
paulproteuslol! nkinkade19:48
nkinkadeYes that file is on a5.19:49
nkinkadeI guess you should just make sure that anything in public_html on a6 is moved to a5 and that that doesn't affect any cron jobs on a6.19:49
ankitgpaulproteus: http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=2003042719:50
paulproteusNo cron jobs on a6.  All is moved.19:50
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nkinkadeNew improved version using JS to blink instead of <blink>: http://a6.creativecommons.org/~paulproteus/lol.html19:57
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jibotdavidstrauss is "P" and not "P"19:58
paulproteusnkinkade, zog me with a spoon19:58
nkinkadeI'm going to put a page just like up at lol.nkinka.de as soon as I can figure out why Dreamhost isn't serving that domain right.19:59
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nkinkadepaulproteus: That little tip about rsync over scp is the best advice I've got in years ... it has freed up entire minutes of my life.20:01
paulproteusYay!20:02
nkinkadeI used to watch scp transfer files in the same way that some people like to watch Windows defrag a hard disk.20:02
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rejongreg-g: can you keep on asheesh to find out about how to add informative rss feed to main page of cc site with some kind of sort of casestudies...20:10
rejonwordpress can take rss/atom feeds20:10
rejon:)20:10
rejonseriously though as new task...20:10
rejonto expose those would be badass20:10
greg-grejon: will do20:15
rejonrock20:16
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paulproteusHang on to your hats.20:25
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jibotrejon is a killer MC from staten island and is the 10th member of the wutang clan and http://www.rejon.org/21:09
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jibotjgay is http://www.gnu.org/people/speakers.html#Gay21:29
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jibotSteren is sitting next to greg-g and from Nancy21:53
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