Wednesday, 2008-06-11

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CharelBback / hello [amsg]05:42
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rejondamn, its too early10:22
greg-gI shall be to the office once the BART gets me there (40 minutes-ish)10:23
rejonyah take time10:26
* greg-g nods10:27
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paulproteusbovinity, Remember "Don't worry, it won't last!"?11:21
paulproteusHmmph.11:21
bovinityhmm11:21
bovinitysigsegv, memory error. :P11:22
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paulproteusnathany, Actually, I'll work on the ccLearn map at home for a bit and then come in.11:29
nathanypaulproteus: ok11:29
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ftobiapaulproteus: what was the git command for pulling in externals?11:39
paulproteusgit submodule init ; git submodule update11:39
paulproteusBTW, did you do that upgrade?11:39
paulproteus(If so, I hope it went okay.)11:39
ftobiayeah, it went well. ubuntu can hibernate now11:42
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ftobiapaulproteus: svn@code.creativecommons.org is asking me for a password11:53
paulproteusftobia, Yay hibernate (although I still prefer sleep).11:54
paulproteusftobia, Right, because your new key hasn't been added there.11:54
paulproteusI'll do that right now.11:54
ftobiaoh boo11:54
ftobiathanks11:54
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paulproteusftobia, retry now11:55
CharelBis it possible to get a mail-forward from the cc? :D11:55
paulproteusnkinkade, Aww, I was using a8.11:56
nkinkadeI saw that.11:57
paulproteusOh well, I guess that makes it bike-to-work o'clock.11:57
ftobiapaulproteus: success!11:57
nkinkadeBut then I thought, well, I sent out an email notifying everyone that it was going to rebooted at 10AM today.11:57
paulproteusIt's 9:58! (-;11:58
nkinkadeSorry about that, though.  I didn't think you were active, but I should have looked at your idle time.11:58
nkinkadeWell, the mail says ~10AM.11:58
nkinkade:-)11:58
paulproteusWhatevs, tty in the office.11:58
nathanyCharelB: what are you looking for?11:59
CharelBI want a mailforward to my original email adress11:59
CharelBmaybe cb@creativecommons.org or cb@mail.creativecommons.org12:00
CharelBor is that not possible12:00
CharelB?12:00
nathanyare you one of the new interns this summer?12:00
CharelBDon't think so12:00
nathanyso... no, we don't give out creativecommons.org addresses12:00
CharelBah k :(12:00
nathanysorry, they're just for staff, interns, etc12:01
bovinityCharelB: are you part of any ccInternational prject?12:01
CharelBNo12:01
CharelBI'm only a user.12:01
CharelBI'm not involved in the CC Projects12:01
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ftobiapaulproteus: when running ./bin/buildout on ubuntu: "Error: Couldn't install: ctypes 1.0.2"12:04
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nkinkadenathany: Along with the kernel there were some updates to tomcat on a8 ... just so you know if something starts acting funny.12:11
nathanynkinkade: thanks12:11
nathanyftobia: have you installed the python-dev package?12:11
nathany"sudo apt-get install python-dev"12:11
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ftobianathany: thanks. that and python-lxml did it.12:15
nathanyftobia: cool12:16
nathanyyou'll probably want to install libxml2-dev and libxslt1-dev, just for future work12:16
nathany(if they're not already there)12:16
SterenHey, what's the best solution to test the mail() php function on localhost ? I could set up a mail server but I'm not sure it'll work.12:16
nathanySteren: nkinkade can correct me if i'm wrong, but I think PHP's mail() just wraps the system mail call12:17
nathanyso i think you'll need to install *some* mail server... postfix is pretty easy to get going and i think debian/ubuntu allows you to configure it pretty easily12:18
nathany(just tell it you're an internet host -- you won't be able to receive email but that shouldn't matter()12:18
nathanyalternately, nkinkade can help you get up and going with a teamspace-staging.creativecommons.org instance on a612:18
nathany:)12:18
Sterennathany: ok I'll install postfix. What's the teamspace-staging.creativecommons.org instance  ?12:20
nathanyit's nothing right now12:20
nathanyjust saying you could set up a test site on the actual server (which has mail already) if you preferred that12:21
Sterenok. hum I'll see if I suceed in installing and testing the web server. If I don't, we may create a test site12:22
paulproteusSteren, If you want to be able to send email out, set "relayhost = 10.0.2.2" in /etc/postfix/main.cf .12:29
paulproteusThat will route through my computer, which is already set up properly.12:29
stevelnathany: re: the digital asset management panel next week? is there any specific focused topic within that? e.g. copyright? license? or is it just a broad panel?12:30
nathanystevel: broad, i'd say12:30
nathanygreat if you can touch on the copyright/license stuff, but songbird may have unique experiences/challenges in managing metadata that comes from the web12:31
nathanymixed with stuff people have locally12:31
* stevel nods12:31
steveli'll try to make sure i address it12:31
Sterenpaulproteus: great, I was currently looking at /etc/postfix/main.cf12:31
paulproteusSteren, tell postfix you're an Internet site, and then set your relayhost as I suggested.12:31
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paulproteusSteren, If that works, great; otherwise feel free to ask me to come over or come here with your laptop.12:31
paulproteus(Obviously, setting that will only work for sending mail out while you are in the office.)12:34
ftobiapaulproteus: everything worked out in the build. but i killed the server process and now i'm getting a socket error "address already in use". any pointers?12:34
paulproteusftobia, I have a feeling it's not really dead.12:34
nathany"not dead yet!"12:34
paulproteusIf you run "ps aux" or otherwise look at a process list, you may see that.12:34
nathany"i'm feeling quite better!"12:34
paulproteuskillall python # is a heavy hammer that may do the job12:34
paulproteushttp://www.asheesh.org/note/sysop/mail-tunnel.html is my standing recommendation for sending mail from a laptop, fwiw.12:35
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Sterenpaulproteus: thanks, it works very well ! I tested it with mailutils and I just recieved my mail, magic :)12:41
paulproteusSteren, For a good time, read the headers of that mail.12:41
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ftobiathere are like a bajillion dependencies to get this test suite to run.12:45
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Sterenpaulproteus: it's fine, the php mail() function works. headers don't seam ugly12:46
paulproteusftobia, For which package?12:47
paulproteusftobia, And yeah, code reuse++ !12:47
paulproteusRight, I forgot the the headers don't show the SSH tunnel between me and rose.makesad.us.12:47
ftobiapaulproteus: i just had to install a bunch of packages i didn't already have. no biggie, i found them all.12:50
paulproteusYippee.12:50
ftobiapaulproteus: but new question: what's the preferred way of running all the tests? i can't think of a good way to call "./bin/test" and tell it to run everything in the "tests/" directory12:50
paulproteus./bin/nosetests12:51
paulproteus(normally)12:51
paulproteusI don't know what you are really asking.12:51
paulproteusFeel free to come here or tell me to go there.12:51
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nathanycurrybot: lunch?12:52
currybotnathany: mmm... curry...12:52
bovinityO_O12:52
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greg-goh no, a curry bot12:53
rejonclutter rules: http://butterfeet.org/?p=5312:56
nkinkadenathany: mta and scholars on a3?12:58
nathanynkinkade: yes12:59
nathany:)12:59
nathanyyou want me to move them?12:59
nkinkadeNo, I was just confirming that they'll need to be moved too?12:59
nathanyyes12:59
paulproteusTurns out copying 500 gigs is slow.13:04
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nkinkadeThank god for Wonder Shaper.13:05
paulproteusIt's actually locally on my SATA bus.13:06
paulproteusIt's only going at 8 MiB/s, which I'm surprised and disappointed to find.13:06
nkinkadeOh, well still, thank god for Wonder Shaper because eventually it'll save me from you.13:07
nkinkade:-)13:07
nkinkadeIt might even save me from myself at some point.13:07
paulproteusFWIW, I think I'm the one who advised you to try the Wonder Shaper.13:10
nkinkadeYou were in fact, and it really made big difference.13:10
paulproteusFor saving you from me.13:11
rejondamn, fun for you greg-g! you get to interview cory early in the morning!13:18
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greg-grejon: you have a second for a face-to-face?13:20
rejonlet me plow through my remaining emails...give me a moment13:21
greg-grejon: no worries13:21
nathanyrejon: http://www.archive.org/details/raam00313:24
hdworaknkinkade: thanks for installing the extension13:27
nkinkadehdworak: No problem.  Sorry it took me a day to get to it.13:27
hdworaknot a problem13:28
paulproteusnkinkade, BTW, your Teamspace git-svn SMW thing doesn't cover if you want to pin the submodule to a specific revision in the "supermodule".13:29
nkinkadepaulproteus: Good point.  Where is that script of yours?13:31
paulproteus?13:31
nkinkadeOr maybe we should do this all in one place.  Perhaps in your gitted dir?13:31
paulproteusI agree that we should centralize our git-svn updating.13:31
paulproteus(and pushing)13:31
nkinkadeI thought it was a bash script that did the pinning.13:31
paulproteusI want to listen to some awesome music and finish the ccLearn map and then tty in 15m or so about this.13:32
paulproteusBTW is the Internet terrifically slow for others also?13:34
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ajbrooksrejon: what's the word on internet archive webdav?13:38
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greg-gwhy the freak does slideshare _require_ me to tell them my gender to sign up, and then only give me two choices? bah13:48
rejonyah, that hermi option they skip...c'mon!13:49
rejonajbrooks: all talk at present...need to create a webdav proxy with them, then transition to having some internal IA webdav13:50
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rejonok, done with my email finally for urgent status...but now lunch time!14:04
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rejonpro tvol14:09
tvolgreetings rejon14:10
tvolrejon = twitter crack fiend14:11
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rejon@tvol: greg-g has something to get you to fix from ALA that you gave him :)16:22
cchelpbot_rejon: Error: "tvol:" is not a valid command.16:22
tvolrejon, greg-g....copyright slider?16:23
greg-gtvol: the slide rule for copyright status16:24
tvolhaha yeah, what's wrong on it? i think we got a new shipment in...i haven't really looked at it closely though16:24
greg-gon the back it has a CC logo with "some rights reserved"...   which ones?16:24
paulproteusgit checkout origin/cc-skeleton16:25
tvolgreg-g, rejon...yah, never ending battle, isn't it? :)16:25
paulproteusgit checkout --track -b cc-skeleton16:25
paulproteusgit pull16:25
paulproteus[git]16:27
paulproteusbranch.autosetupmerge = true16:28
paulproteusI think that's the config option that makes --track not necessary to write.16:28
nkinkadeSo, paulproteus, it is a bash script you wrote to do the git pinning right?16:33
paulproteusnkinkade, Right.  I haven't put all of this together in an easy to use package for other people though.16:33
nkinkadeAnd I guess  we should coordinate getting these gitted modules into some common directory.16:33
paulproteusBut it's in my $HOME on a6.16:33
paulproteusI could take a few minutes and pin down the automation for this once and for all.16:33
nkinkadeCan I just move my gitted modules into your gitted dir?16:33
nkinkadeI've only done 3, so far.16:34
paulproteusSure, that's just dandy.16:34
nkinkadeDoes making a sub dir. called something like mediawiki_modules make sense to you?16:35
paulproteusIn my $HOME.16:35
paulproteusI'd just jam everything into ~/gitted/ personally.16:35
nkinkadein ~/gitted16:35
nkinkadeThat works.16:35
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nkinkadepaulproteus:  On second thought, I think I will put them all into a sub dir, if only for the moment, so that you know which ones need to be pinned to a certain version.16:45
paulproteusnkinkade, Okay.16:45
paulproteusnkinkade, It would be very helpful if you could leave a note with URLs where upstream source can be downloaded.16:46
nkinkadeI'll put a file for something in there.16:47
paulproteusDoesn't have to be very verbose at *all*.16:48
nkinkadeI16:48
nkinkade+ 'll make it simple16:48
rejontim_hwang and greg-g: I would add that before interviewing the casestudies targets, make sure to search through the blog for anything about them and/or google for cc connections...will help16:51
* greg-g nods16:52
rejonsun brain damage16:53
rejondaim bramage16:53
paulproteusnathany, Too bad, I wrote http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Git_phrasebook17:00
paulproteusKey insight: Don't use "git checkout -b", use "git branch --track".17:00
paulproteusBack to real work for now.17:01
nathanypaulproteus: thanks17:01
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paulproteusSure thing.  I'm learning things by writing it, so there is value in me doing it.17:02
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bovinitypaulproteus: phrasebook. handy.17:02
paulproteusThe last one I maintained (svn for cvs users) got linked-to by Wikipedia for a while <http://www.dyna.org/Developers/subversion>17:04
paulproteusBut yeah, let's keep it healthy and sane so we can do the same for ourselves.17:04
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rejongreg-g: you on twitter?17:07
greg-grejon: yes17:13
greg-gg_gerg17:13
greg-gyeah, I've been getting lazy with handles17:13
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rejonthwang: http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/how_to_comment_about_your_comp.php good to track down cc licensing capabilities on springleap.com and get them to use cc licensing like c-shirt too, then they can get blog post about service17:40
paulproteusIn other news, http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2008/jun/11/wildlife.conservation1?gusrc=rss&feed=networkfront17:42
tim_hwangrejon: thanks17:43
nkinkadepaulproteus: Your known_hosts on a6 has an old key for a6.  Should I update that, or would you rather?17:46
paulproteusYou can.17:46
* paulproteus shrugs17:46
paulproteusIf you don't, I would eventually notice it and fix it.17:47
rejonhmmm...anyone have good idea of how to have a quick web widget on gnome?17:47
paulproteusWhat does that mean?17:47
rejonI guess simple would be just to make a new web window17:47
nkinkadeI'll do it now, because I'm getting all those mediawiki modules into your gitted dir and SemanticDrilldown is already a git repository on code.CC.org, so I'm just going to clone it.17:47
greg-grejon: like prism?17:47
rejonno17:47
rejonjust like arbitrary html you could paste in a box and have a *web widget*17:48
greg-gahhh17:48
rejongdesklets suck17:48
greg-gyes, yes they do17:48
rejonscreenlets17:48
rejonhttp://lifehacker.com/377676/install-google-gadgets-and-web-widgets-in-linux17:48
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rejonwhoa, screenlets is cool18:24
rejonwhoa, destroys gdesklets18:24
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bovinityrad, jonathan coulton is on daily show tonight18:53
nkinkadepaulproteus: Shouldn't git-svn init / fetch pull in subdirectories?  This is the remote for OpenID: http://svn.wikimedia.org/svnroot/mediawiki/trunk/extensions/OpenID but those directories/releases don't show up as I would expect.18:53
paulproteusnkinkade, Not until you 'git submodule init ; git submodule update'.18:54
nkinkadeAlso, like you were saying, it's seeming that most of the extensions don't have official releases.18:54
nkinkadeThere are files in that directory, but just not the ones I was expecting.18:54
paulproteus? re: last message18:55
nkinkadeOn a6 look inside /home/paulproteus/gitted/mediawiki_extensions/OpenID18:55
nkinkadeThen compare that with the contents of this URL: http://svn.wikimedia.org/svnroot/mediawiki/trunk/extensions/OpenID18:55
nkinkadeThat may be normal, but it surprised me.18:56
paulproteusLooks normal to me.18:56
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* greg-g is unable to add content curators to the Content Directories wiki page, it is locked :(19:11
nkinkadepaulproteus: So, in ~/gitted/mediawiki_extensions if an extension has a regular file with a version extension then the contents of the file will specify what to pin it to.  For OpenID I can do it because I have a specific revision number.19:15
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