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| CharelB | back / hello [amsg] | 05:42 |
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| rejon | damn, its too early | 10:22 |
| greg-g | I shall be to the office once the BART gets me there (40 minutes-ish) | 10:23 |
| rejon | yah take time | 10:26 |
| * greg-g nods | 10:27 | |
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| paulproteus | bovinity, Remember "Don't worry, it won't last!"? | 11:21 |
| paulproteus | Hmmph. | 11:21 |
| bovinity | hmm | 11:21 |
| bovinity | sigsegv, memory error. :P | 11:22 |
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| paulproteus | nathany, Actually, I'll work on the ccLearn map at home for a bit and then come in. | 11:29 |
| nathany | paulproteus: ok | 11:29 |
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| ftobia | paulproteus: what was the git command for pulling in externals? | 11:39 |
| paulproteus | git submodule init ; git submodule update | 11:39 |
| paulproteus | BTW, did you do that upgrade? | 11:39 |
| paulproteus | (If so, I hope it went okay.) | 11:39 |
| ftobia | yeah, it went well. ubuntu can hibernate now | 11:42 |
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| ftobia | paulproteus: svn@code.creativecommons.org is asking me for a password | 11:53 |
| paulproteus | ftobia, Yay hibernate (although I still prefer sleep). | 11:54 |
| paulproteus | ftobia, Right, because your new key hasn't been added there. | 11:54 |
| paulproteus | I'll do that right now. | 11:54 |
| ftobia | oh boo | 11:54 |
| ftobia | thanks | 11:54 |
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| paulproteus | ftobia, retry now | 11:55 |
| CharelB | is it possible to get a mail-forward from the cc? :D | 11:55 |
| paulproteus | nkinkade, Aww, I was using a8. | 11:56 |
| nkinkade | I saw that. | 11:57 |
| paulproteus | Oh well, I guess that makes it bike-to-work o'clock. | 11:57 |
| ftobia | paulproteus: success! | 11:57 |
| nkinkade | But then I thought, well, I sent out an email notifying everyone that it was going to rebooted at 10AM today. | 11:57 |
| paulproteus | It's 9:58! (-; | 11:58 |
| nkinkade | Sorry about that, though. I didn't think you were active, but I should have looked at your idle time. | 11:58 |
| nkinkade | Well, the mail says ~10AM. | 11:58 |
| nkinkade | :-) | 11:58 |
| paulproteus | Whatevs, tty in the office. | 11:58 |
| nathany | CharelB: what are you looking for? | 11:59 |
| CharelB | I want a mailforward to my original email adress | 11:59 |
| CharelB | maybe cb@creativecommons.org or cb@mail.creativecommons.org | 12:00 |
| CharelB | or is that not possible | 12:00 |
| CharelB | ? | 12:00 |
| nathany | are you one of the new interns this summer? | 12:00 |
| CharelB | Don't think so | 12:00 |
| nathany | so... no, we don't give out creativecommons.org addresses | 12:00 |
| CharelB | ah k :( | 12:00 |
| nathany | sorry, they're just for staff, interns, etc | 12:01 |
| bovinity | CharelB: are you part of any ccInternational prject? | 12:01 |
| CharelB | No | 12:01 |
| CharelB | I'm only a user. | 12:01 |
| CharelB | I'm not involved in the CC Projects | 12:01 |
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| ftobia | paulproteus: when running ./bin/buildout on ubuntu: "Error: Couldn't install: ctypes 1.0.2" | 12:04 |
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| nkinkade | nathany: Along with the kernel there were some updates to tomcat on a8 ... just so you know if something starts acting funny. | 12:11 |
| nathany | nkinkade: thanks | 12:11 |
| nathany | ftobia: have you installed the python-dev package? | 12:11 |
| nathany | "sudo apt-get install python-dev" | 12:11 |
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| ftobia | nathany: thanks. that and python-lxml did it. | 12:15 |
| nathany | ftobia: cool | 12:16 |
| nathany | you'll probably want to install libxml2-dev and libxslt1-dev, just for future work | 12:16 |
| nathany | (if they're not already there) | 12:16 |
| Steren | Hey, what's the best solution to test the mail() php function on localhost ? I could set up a mail server but I'm not sure it'll work. | 12:16 |
| nathany | Steren: nkinkade can correct me if i'm wrong, but I think PHP's mail() just wraps the system mail call | 12:17 |
| nathany | so i think you'll need to install *some* mail server... postfix is pretty easy to get going and i think debian/ubuntu allows you to configure it pretty easily | 12:18 |
| nathany | (just tell it you're an internet host -- you won't be able to receive email but that shouldn't matter() | 12:18 |
| nathany | alternately, nkinkade can help you get up and going with a teamspace-staging.creativecommons.org instance on a6 | 12:18 |
| nathany | :) | 12:18 |
| Steren | nathany: ok I'll install postfix. What's the teamspace-staging.creativecommons.org instance ? | 12:20 |
| nathany | it's nothing right now | 12:20 |
| nathany | just saying you could set up a test site on the actual server (which has mail already) if you preferred that | 12:21 |
| Steren | ok. hum I'll see if I suceed in installing and testing the web server. If I don't, we may create a test site | 12:22 |
| paulproteus | Steren, If you want to be able to send email out, set "relayhost = 10.0.2.2" in /etc/postfix/main.cf . | 12:29 |
| paulproteus | That will route through my computer, which is already set up properly. | 12:29 |
| stevel | nathany: re: the digital asset management panel next week? is there any specific focused topic within that? e.g. copyright? license? or is it just a broad panel? | 12:30 |
| nathany | stevel: broad, i'd say | 12:30 |
| nathany | great if you can touch on the copyright/license stuff, but songbird may have unique experiences/challenges in managing metadata that comes from the web | 12:31 |
| nathany | mixed with stuff people have locally | 12:31 |
| * stevel nods | 12:31 | |
| stevel | i'll try to make sure i address it | 12:31 |
| Steren | paulproteus: great, I was currently looking at /etc/postfix/main.cf | 12:31 |
| paulproteus | Steren, tell postfix you're an Internet site, and then set your relayhost as I suggested. | 12:31 |
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| paulproteus | Steren, If that works, great; otherwise feel free to ask me to come over or come here with your laptop. | 12:31 |
| paulproteus | (Obviously, setting that will only work for sending mail out while you are in the office.) | 12:34 |
| ftobia | paulproteus: everything worked out in the build. but i killed the server process and now i'm getting a socket error "address already in use". any pointers? | 12:34 |
| paulproteus | ftobia, I have a feeling it's not really dead. | 12:34 |
| nathany | "not dead yet!" | 12:34 |
| paulproteus | If you run "ps aux" or otherwise look at a process list, you may see that. | 12:34 |
| nathany | "i'm feeling quite better!" | 12:34 |
| paulproteus | killall python # is a heavy hammer that may do the job | 12:34 |
| paulproteus | http://www.asheesh.org/note/sysop/mail-tunnel.html is my standing recommendation for sending mail from a laptop, fwiw. | 12:35 |
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| Steren | paulproteus: thanks, it works very well ! I tested it with mailutils and I just recieved my mail, magic :) | 12:41 |
| paulproteus | Steren, For a good time, read the headers of that mail. | 12:41 |
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| ftobia | there are like a bajillion dependencies to get this test suite to run. | 12:45 |
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| Steren | paulproteus: it's fine, the php mail() function works. headers don't seam ugly | 12:46 |
| paulproteus | ftobia, For which package? | 12:47 |
| paulproteus | ftobia, And yeah, code reuse++ ! | 12:47 |
| paulproteus | Right, I forgot the the headers don't show the SSH tunnel between me and rose.makesad.us. | 12:47 |
| ftobia | paulproteus: i just had to install a bunch of packages i didn't already have. no biggie, i found them all. | 12:50 |
| paulproteus | Yippee. | 12:50 |
| ftobia | paulproteus: but new question: what's the preferred way of running all the tests? i can't think of a good way to call "./bin/test" and tell it to run everything in the "tests/" directory | 12:50 |
| paulproteus | ./bin/nosetests | 12:51 |
| paulproteus | (normally) | 12:51 |
| paulproteus | I don't know what you are really asking. | 12:51 |
| paulproteus | Feel free to come here or tell me to go there. | 12:51 |
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| nathany | currybot: lunch? | 12:52 |
| currybot | nathany: mmm... curry... | 12:52 |
| bovinity | O_O | 12:52 |
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| greg-g | oh no, a curry bot | 12:53 |
| rejon | clutter rules: http://butterfeet.org/?p=53 | 12:56 |
| nkinkade | nathany: mta and scholars on a3? | 12:58 |
| nathany | nkinkade: yes | 12:59 |
| nathany | :) | 12:59 |
| nathany | you want me to move them? | 12:59 |
| nkinkade | No, I was just confirming that they'll need to be moved too? | 12:59 |
| nathany | yes | 12:59 |
| paulproteus | Turns out copying 500 gigs is slow. | 13:04 |
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| nkinkade | Thank god for Wonder Shaper. | 13:05 |
| paulproteus | It's actually locally on my SATA bus. | 13:06 |
| paulproteus | It's only going at 8 MiB/s, which I'm surprised and disappointed to find. | 13:06 |
| nkinkade | Oh, well still, thank god for Wonder Shaper because eventually it'll save me from you. | 13:07 |
| nkinkade | :-) | 13:07 |
| nkinkade | It might even save me from myself at some point. | 13:07 |
| paulproteus | FWIW, I think I'm the one who advised you to try the Wonder Shaper. | 13:10 |
| nkinkade | You were in fact, and it really made big difference. | 13:10 |
| paulproteus | For saving you from me. | 13:11 |
| rejon | damn, fun for you greg-g! you get to interview cory early in the morning! | 13:18 |
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| greg-g | rejon: you have a second for a face-to-face? | 13:20 |
| rejon | let me plow through my remaining emails...give me a moment | 13:21 |
| greg-g | rejon: no worries | 13:21 |
| nathany | rejon: http://www.archive.org/details/raam003 | 13:24 |
| hdworak | nkinkade: thanks for installing the extension | 13:27 |
| nkinkade | hdworak: No problem. Sorry it took me a day to get to it. | 13:27 |
| hdworak | not a problem | 13:28 |
| paulproteus | nkinkade, BTW, your Teamspace git-svn SMW thing doesn't cover if you want to pin the submodule to a specific revision in the "supermodule". | 13:29 |
| nkinkade | paulproteus: Good point. Where is that script of yours? | 13:31 |
| paulproteus | ? | 13:31 |
| nkinkade | Or maybe we should do this all in one place. Perhaps in your gitted dir? | 13:31 |
| paulproteus | I agree that we should centralize our git-svn updating. | 13:31 |
| paulproteus | (and pushing) | 13:31 |
| nkinkade | I thought it was a bash script that did the pinning. | 13:31 |
| paulproteus | I want to listen to some awesome music and finish the ccLearn map and then tty in 15m or so about this. | 13:32 |
| paulproteus | BTW is the Internet terrifically slow for others also? | 13:34 |
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| ajbrooks | rejon: what's the word on internet archive webdav? | 13:38 |
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| greg-g | why the freak does slideshare _require_ me to tell them my gender to sign up, and then only give me two choices? bah | 13:48 |
| rejon | yah, that hermi option they skip...c'mon! | 13:49 |
| rejon | ajbrooks: all talk at present...need to create a webdav proxy with them, then transition to having some internal IA webdav | 13:50 |
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| rejon | ok, done with my email finally for urgent status...but now lunch time! | 14:04 |
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| rejon | pro tvol | 14:09 |
| tvol | greetings rejon | 14:10 |
| tvol | rejon = twitter crack fiend | 14:11 |
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| rejon | @tvol: greg-g has something to get you to fix from ALA that you gave him :) | 16:22 |
| cchelpbot_ | rejon: Error: "tvol:" is not a valid command. | 16:22 |
| tvol | rejon, greg-g....copyright slider? | 16:23 |
| greg-g | tvol: the slide rule for copyright status | 16:24 |
| tvol | haha yeah, what's wrong on it? i think we got a new shipment in...i haven't really looked at it closely though | 16:24 |
| greg-g | on the back it has a CC logo with "some rights reserved"... which ones? | 16:24 |
| paulproteus | git checkout origin/cc-skeleton | 16:25 |
| tvol | greg-g, rejon...yah, never ending battle, isn't it? :) | 16:25 |
| paulproteus | git checkout --track -b cc-skeleton | 16:25 |
| paulproteus | git pull | 16:25 |
| paulproteus | [git] | 16:27 |
| paulproteus | branch.autosetupmerge = true | 16:28 |
| paulproteus | I think that's the config option that makes --track not necessary to write. | 16:28 |
| nkinkade | So, paulproteus, it is a bash script you wrote to do the git pinning right? | 16:33 |
| paulproteus | nkinkade, Right. I haven't put all of this together in an easy to use package for other people though. | 16:33 |
| nkinkade | And I guess we should coordinate getting these gitted modules into some common directory. | 16:33 |
| paulproteus | But it's in my $HOME on a6. | 16:33 |
| paulproteus | I could take a few minutes and pin down the automation for this once and for all. | 16:33 |
| nkinkade | Can I just move my gitted modules into your gitted dir? | 16:33 |
| nkinkade | I've only done 3, so far. | 16:34 |
| paulproteus | Sure, that's just dandy. | 16:34 |
| nkinkade | Does making a sub dir. called something like mediawiki_modules make sense to you? | 16:35 |
| paulproteus | In my $HOME. | 16:35 |
| paulproteus | I'd just jam everything into ~/gitted/ personally. | 16:35 |
| nkinkade | in ~/gitted | 16:35 |
| nkinkade | That works. | 16:35 |
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| nkinkade | paulproteus: On second thought, I think I will put them all into a sub dir, if only for the moment, so that you know which ones need to be pinned to a certain version. | 16:45 |
| paulproteus | nkinkade, Okay. | 16:45 |
| paulproteus | nkinkade, It would be very helpful if you could leave a note with URLs where upstream source can be downloaded. | 16:46 |
| nkinkade | I'll put a file for something in there. | 16:47 |
| paulproteus | Doesn't have to be very verbose at *all*. | 16:48 |
| nkinkade | I | 16:48 |
| nkinkade | + 'll make it simple | 16:48 |
| rejon | tim_hwang and greg-g: I would add that before interviewing the casestudies targets, make sure to search through the blog for anything about them and/or google for cc connections...will help | 16:51 |
| * greg-g nods | 16:52 | |
| rejon | sun brain damage | 16:53 |
| rejon | daim bramage | 16:53 |
| paulproteus | nathany, Too bad, I wrote http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Git_phrasebook | 17:00 |
| paulproteus | Key insight: Don't use "git checkout -b", use "git branch --track". | 17:00 |
| paulproteus | Back to real work for now. | 17:01 |
| nathany | paulproteus: thanks | 17:01 |
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| paulproteus | Sure thing. I'm learning things by writing it, so there is value in me doing it. | 17:02 |
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| bovinity | paulproteus: phrasebook. handy. | 17:02 |
| paulproteus | The last one I maintained (svn for cvs users) got linked-to by Wikipedia for a while <http://www.dyna.org/Developers/subversion> | 17:04 |
| paulproteus | But yeah, let's keep it healthy and sane so we can do the same for ourselves. | 17:04 |
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| rejon | greg-g: you on twitter? | 17:07 |
| greg-g | rejon: yes | 17:13 |
| greg-g | g_gerg | 17:13 |
| greg-g | yeah, I've been getting lazy with handles | 17:13 |
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| bovinity | gerg | 17:24 |
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| rejon | thwang: http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/how_to_comment_about_your_comp.php good to track down cc licensing capabilities on springleap.com and get them to use cc licensing like c-shirt too, then they can get blog post about service | 17:40 |
| paulproteus | In other news, http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2008/jun/11/wildlife.conservation1?gusrc=rss&feed=networkfront | 17:42 |
| tim_hwang | rejon: thanks | 17:43 |
| nkinkade | paulproteus: Your known_hosts on a6 has an old key for a6. Should I update that, or would you rather? | 17:46 |
| paulproteus | You can. | 17:46 |
| * paulproteus shrugs | 17:46 | |
| paulproteus | If you don't, I would eventually notice it and fix it. | 17:47 |
| rejon | hmmm...anyone have good idea of how to have a quick web widget on gnome? | 17:47 |
| paulproteus | What does that mean? | 17:47 |
| rejon | I guess simple would be just to make a new web window | 17:47 |
| nkinkade | I'll do it now, because I'm getting all those mediawiki modules into your gitted dir and SemanticDrilldown is already a git repository on code.CC.org, so I'm just going to clone it. | 17:47 |
| greg-g | rejon: like prism? | 17:47 |
| rejon | no | 17:47 |
| rejon | just like arbitrary html you could paste in a box and have a *web widget* | 17:48 |
| greg-g | ahhh | 17:48 |
| rejon | gdesklets suck | 17:48 |
| greg-g | yes, yes they do | 17:48 |
| rejon | screenlets | 17:48 |
| rejon | http://lifehacker.com/377676/install-google-gadgets-and-web-widgets-in-linux | 17:48 |
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| rejon | whoa, screenlets is cool | 18:24 |
| rejon | whoa, destroys gdesklets | 18:24 |
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| bovinity | rad, jonathan coulton is on daily show tonight | 18:53 |
| nkinkade | paulproteus: Shouldn't git-svn init / fetch pull in subdirectories? This is the remote for OpenID: http://svn.wikimedia.org/svnroot/mediawiki/trunk/extensions/OpenID but those directories/releases don't show up as I would expect. | 18:53 |
| paulproteus | nkinkade, Not until you 'git submodule init ; git submodule update'. | 18:54 |
| nkinkade | Also, like you were saying, it's seeming that most of the extensions don't have official releases. | 18:54 |
| nkinkade | There are files in that directory, but just not the ones I was expecting. | 18:54 |
| paulproteus | ? re: last message | 18:55 |
| nkinkade | On a6 look inside /home/paulproteus/gitted/mediawiki_extensions/OpenID | 18:55 |
| nkinkade | Then compare that with the contents of this URL: http://svn.wikimedia.org/svnroot/mediawiki/trunk/extensions/OpenID | 18:55 |
| nkinkade | That may be normal, but it surprised me. | 18:56 |
| paulproteus | Looks normal to me. | 18:56 |
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| nkinkade | paulproteus: So, in ~/gitted/mediawiki_extensions if an extension has a regular file with a version extension then the contents of the file will specify what to pin it to. For OpenID I can do it because I have a specific revision number. | 19:15 |
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