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| paulproteus | nkinkade, nathany, No stand-up in 10m, right? | 12:50 |
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| nathany | paulproteus: correct | 12:50 |
| nathany | don't forget we have a staff pow-wow @ lunch today | 12:50 |
| paulproteus | I remember. (-: | 12:50 |
| paulproteus | nathany, For the Validator, have you a preference of Pylons vs. Django? | 13:00 |
| paulproteus | I'm thinking of telling Hugo to go Pylons for consistency's sake, but am I being a joykilling curmudgeon? | 13:01 |
| nathany | paulproteus: I probably have a slight preference for towards Pylons for that very reason | 13:01 |
| paulproteus | Great, then at least I'm no more of a curmudgeon than you. | 13:01 |
| nathany | I think Django's killer feature is the auto-magic admin ui, which the validator won't be making use of | 13:01 |
| bse | killer feature indeed | 13:02 |
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| AVRS | Hello. Does anyone know what license the author of http://en.tiraecol.net/modules/comic/ does mean? | 14:07 |
| AVRS | It says "(CC some rights reserved)" :( | 14:07 |
| AVRS | I think I have asked in their forum a long time ago… but I don't remember if the license was indicated in the pictures even remotely, and the forum seems to have been replaced. | 14:08 |
| greg-g | AVRS: I would email the author (the contact email address on the site most likely) | 14:10 |
| rejon | broken wiki link nkinkade: http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Special:Specialpages | 14:12 |
| AVRS | greg-g: hmm the e-mail address links to a site that is under "Reconocimiento - No comercial - Sin obras derivadas" | 14:12 |
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| greg-g | that label is on the website, not the comic itself, still best to email the author just to make sure. | 14:13 |
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| AVRS | sure, already writing | 14:14 |
| greg-g | good deal, but yeah, assuming it is the same license, but assuming is just that :) | 14:14 |
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| AVRS | Why is that silly "some rights reserved" banner still suggested by the site? :( | 14:20 |
| AVRS | http://creativecommons.org/license/ , for any licence. | 14:21 |
| AVRS | …or maybe that's because of my eo locale… | 14:25 |
| AVRS | it suggests licenses v2.5, and Chile 2.0! | 14:25 |
| AVRS | No, the US one suggests 3.0 and that banner is still an option. :( | 14:28 |
| AVRS | Fortunately, most people don't use it. | 14:29 |
| AVRS | mail sent (to the comic author) | 14:30 |
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| nkinkade | paulproteus: nathany: regarding the broken wiki link above: http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Special:Specialpages ... it seems to have to do with OpenLayers, is this something either one of you would know about? | 15:23 |
| * paulproteus blinks | 15:23 | |
| nkinkade | SemanticLayers, sorry. | 15:23 |
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| hdworak | hi! ltns | 15:26 |
| paulproteus | (-: | 15:26 |
| hdworak | paulproteus: well, it's not like that here (summer break) | 15:28 |
| paulproteus | Oh, what the timetable like there? | 15:28 |
| hdworak | but I'm gonna try hard to smooth operate this | 15:28 |
| hdworak | ;) | 15:28 |
| hdworak | so I'm gonna be like a presidential candidate | 15:28 |
| hdworak | ready to serve from day 1 | 15:29 |
| paulproteus | brb, gotta call my mom - it's her birthday! | 15:29 |
| hdworak | well, basically I've finished having classes with students (I do some labs), so I'm left with a few exams in June | 15:30 |
| hdworak | normally, students end their summer semester June 30th here | 15:30 |
| hdworak | exams usually take place in the last two weeks of June, I'm no exception | 15:30 |
| hdworak | but it's not such a big deal, since I'm a PhD student | 15:30 |
| hdworak | so I guess it's not gonna be that difficult anymore | 15:31 |
| hdworak | we celebrate mother's day May 26th, what a coincidence | 15:31 |
| paulproteus | She's not home yet. (-: | 15:34 |
| hdworak | the person responsible for SSH git keys authorization: I've pasted the links to my SSH keys before on this channel, but they were generated using a flawed version of SSH | 15:34 |
| paulproteus | hdworak, I can add them to the SSH key whitelist, so just paste fresh ones. | 15:34 |
| hdworak | so please delete them - I'm gonna provide you a new key promptly | 15:34 |
| paulproteus | hdworak, In general, assume anything you need done will be done by me, unless I say otherwise. (-: | 15:35 |
| hdworak | sure, it's just the last time there was some other guy responsible for that :) | 15:35 |
| hdworak | do you prefer DSA over RSA? | 15:36 |
| hdworak | or either way? | 15:36 |
| paulproteus | RSA > DSA | 15:36 |
| hdworak | ain't DSA hacked or something? | 15:36 |
| hdworak | or DES | 15:36 |
| hdworak | I dunno | 15:36 |
| paulproteus | DES, sure. | 15:36 |
| hdworak | :) | 15:36 |
| paulproteus | DSA != DES | 15:36 |
| hdworak | yeah | 15:36 |
| hdworak | is a passphrase need for such key? | 15:37 |
| paulproteus | That's up to you. | 15:37 |
| hdworak | 'cause I can leave empty | 15:37 |
| hdworak | cool, I'm done | 15:37 |
| paulproteus | It doesn't affect me; we only get the public key, and the passphrase locks the private key on your machine. | 15:37 |
| hdworak | gonna upload | 15:37 |
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| hdworak | ok | 15:38 |
| hdworak | http://hugo.dworak.info/miscellanea/id_rsa.pub | 15:38 |
| hdworak | it's a key for my laptop and I'll do 100% of my GSOC work on it | 15:39 |
| paulproteus | Okay. If you want another key added, it's okay - just email me with a link to it. | 15:39 |
| hdworak | right | 15:40 |
| hdworak | now I go to http://code.creativecommons.org/ | 15:40 |
| hdworak | I use Xubuntu 8.04 BTW | 15:40 |
| hdworak | got all the git installed and stuff | 15:40 |
| paulproteus | Great. | 15:41 |
| paulproteus | Have you used git at all before? | 15:41 |
| paulproteus | http://www.newartisans.com/blog_files/git.from.bottom.up.php is a long but very helpful article to understand it. | 15:41 |
| paulproteus | http://www.kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/tutorial.html is a basic "How to use git" document. | 15:41 |
| hdworak | no, I've used CVS on SourceForge in summer 2004 | 15:43 |
| hdworak | has my key been added? | 15:43 |
| nkinkade | __________________________ | 15:48 |
| nkinkade | < I love 16 bit SSL keys\! > | 15:48 |
| nkinkade | -------------------------- | 15:48 |
| nkinkade | \ ^__^ | 15:48 |
| nkinkade | \ (oo)\_______ | 15:48 |
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| nkinkade | (__)\ )\/\ | 15:48 |
| nkinkade | ||----w | | 15:48 |
| nkinkade | || || | 15:48 |
| hdworak | huh? :D | 15:48 |
| hdworak | all I did was ssh-keygen -t rsa | 15:49 |
| paulproteus | hdworak, Almost, got distracted with a random experiment. | 15:49 |
| paulproteus | That nkinkade is making fun of me for. (-: | 15:49 |
| paulproteus | It seems 768 bit keys are the shorted OpenSSH will let you use to authenticate. | 15:50 |
| paulproteus | (for RSA) | 15:50 |
| paulproteus | 1024 is the default generated by ssh-keygen, which is plenty safe. | 15:50 |
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| paulproteus | 768 bit are fairly bad, but not horrendous like the 16 bit keys I was making. | 15:50 |
| nkinkade | hdworak: Sorry. My cowsay message was in response to something paulproteus said, and and I didn't in any way write it relative to what you wrote. "ssh-keygen -t rsa" is pretty reasonable, I think. | 15:52 |
| nkinkade | But as a side note, aren't DSA key considered to be a little more secure? I ask that honestly. I'm not sure, but I think I read that somewhere. | 15:52 |
| hdworak | :) | 15:52 |
| paulproteus | hdworak, You should probably get reading on that "Git from the bottom up" document. | 15:53 |
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| paulproteus | I think the only reason to use DSA is that back in the day, RSA was patented so we all got used to not being allowd to use basic linear algebra and using DSA instead. | 15:54 |
| hdworak | "So basically key generation is incredibly faster for DSA, which makes sense if you understand the algorithms. Signing is also faster for DSA, but not by as large a factor. RSA’s great strength is verifying which is much faster than DSA." | 15:54 |
| hdworak | http://neubia.com/archives/000191.html | 15:54 |
| paulproteus | Let's talk about DSA vs. RSA another day. (-: | 15:56 |
| hdworak | ok, sorry for off-topic | 15:57 |
| nathany | ______ | 15:57 |
| nathany | < OMFG > | 15:57 |
| nathany | ------ | 15:57 |
| nathany | \ ^__^ | 15:57 |
| nathany | \ (oo)\_______ | 15:57 |
| nathany | (__)\ )\/\ | 15:57 |
| nathany | ||----w | | 15:57 |
| nathany | || || | 15:57 |
| hdworak | I dunno how to enable this authentication anyway | 15:57 |
| bovinity | cowthink is superior | 15:57 |
| hdworak | I do: | 15:58 |
| hdworak | git clone git@code.creativecommons.org:cc.license | 15:58 |
| hdworak | and I'm just getting a prompt for | 15:58 |
| nkinkade | paulproteus: hdworak: Interesting about RSA vs DSA. I don't know where I picked up that misconception, but now I've been schooled proper-like. | 15:58 |
| hdworak | git@code.creativecommons.org's password | 15:58 |
| paulproteus | hdworak, Yes - for now you'll only get access to the "validator" respository. | 15:58 |
| paulproteus | Which doesn't actually exist yet anyway. | 15:58 |
| bovinity | nathany: "We hope that these upgrades will help make your user experience on icommons.org a little bit easier and more pleasant." | 15:59 |
| nathany | bovinity: yeah right | 15:59 |
| hdworak | ok | 16:00 |
| paulproteus | hdworak, You're added, but there's no "validator" repository right now - it will exist once somebody pushes into it. | 16:00 |
| hdworak | nkinkade: I wonder if you could help me setting up an account on techblog | 16:01 |
| nkinkade | nathany: I don't know if you know about this one, but "sudo aptitude install sl" is fun too. | 16:02 |
| hdworak | as for editting a Wikipedia page - do I need just a regular Wiki account or some special priviliges? | 16:02 |
| hdworak | Wikipedia= cc Wiki, sorry | 16:02 |
| nkinkade | hdworak: Sure. | 16:04 |
| nathany | hdworak: you only need to register and confirm your email address | 16:04 |
| hdworak | it's http://wiki.creativecommons.org/ ? | 16:04 |
| paulproteus | hdworak, Ya | 16:04 |
| hdworak | or do u have some special wiki? | 16:04 |
| hdworak | ok | 16:04 |
| paulproteus | No secrets here (at least, that we're telling you about!). | 16:04 |
| nkinkade | hdworak: I'll send you a password in an email. Would you like for you username to be hdworak? | 16:05 |
| hdworak | ok, I've got an account - hdworak (on the wiki) | 16:06 |
| hdworak | well, I prefer to go by a full name "Hugo Dworak", but if that's not possible (Wiki/IRC) then I use the "hdworak" handle | 16:07 |
| nkinkade | hdworak: What email address should I associate with the account? | 16:07 |
| nkinkade | I can certainly use your full name. | 16:07 |
| nkinkade | And will. | 16:07 |
| hdworak | the e-mail is: "hugo" as login, and "dworak.info" as the domain | 16:07 |
| hdworak | who's in charge of the wiki? | 16:08 |
| paulproteus | nkinkade is, mostly, but it's a group effort. | 16:09 |
| nkinkade | hdworak: You should get an email any moment now about your account at the techblog. | 16:10 |
| nkinkade | paulproteus: What's the URL for doing read-only clones of our git repositories? | 16:15 |
| paulproteus | git://code.creativecommons.org/yourmom.git I think. | 16:15 |
| paulproteus | code.creativecommons.org has it. | 16:15 |
| paulproteus | But why do it that way, btw? | 16:15 |
| nkinkade | No reason, I was just curious. | 16:15 |
| nkinkade | But my Mom doesn't have any git repository, that I know of, that sly woman. | 16:16 |
| paulproteus | Yeah, well, my mom uses Subversion. | 16:16 |
| nkinkade | That's so 20th century of her. | 16:18 |
| paulproteus | At least it's not CVS. | 16:18 |
| hdworak | ok, I'm in at techblog profile | 16:18 |
| paulproteus | hdworak, Yay, so go blog about your project. (-: | 16:18 |
| hdworak | nkinkade: thanks for the account | 16:21 |
| nkinkade | Feel free, of course, to edit your profile to suit. | 16:21 |
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| hdworak | I'm new to WordPress, too, but n/p | 16:21 |
| hdworak | already did | 16:21 |
| hdworak | please explain me the role of the techblog and the wiki | 16:24 |
| hdworak | should I blog on the techblog only once about the project | 16:24 |
| hdworak | and then maintain the up-to-date description on an updated wiki page? | 16:24 |
| paulproteus | The techblog is for announcements, and the wiki is for continually updated documentation. | 16:24 |
| paulproteus | hdworak, The idea is that you'll write on the techblog when you have something interesting to announce, but you'll always keep the wiki page up to date. | 16:25 |
| hdworak | ok, so techblog can be used like 1-3 times during GSOC | 16:25 |
| hdworak | ok | 16:25 |
| paulproteus | No, we want you to write about your progress once every ten days! | 16:25 |
| paulproteus | That is, on the techblog. | 16:25 |
| paulproteus | If you ran into any peculiar difficulties, or you have good things to say about your tools, you could write about that too. | 16:25 |
| hdworak | should I expand http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Rewrite_Metadata_Validator or start a new page or edit my wiki-user page? | 16:27 |
| hdworak | ok, sorry, I misunderstood | 16:27 |
| paulproteus | nathany, Do you think he should scribble his timeline (as events happen and this shift or not) on the "Challenge" page linked above? | 16:28 |
| paulproteus | I lean toward having his project's progress be documented on a separate page that the above links to. | 16:28 |
| hdworak | me 2 | 16:28 |
| nathany | a sub-page, at most | 16:28 |
| nathany | i'd keep it all together | 16:28 |
| nathany | (a sub-page is together enough for me) | 16:28 |
| paulproteus | Great, hdworak, document your timeline and progress at http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Rewrite_Metadata_Validator/SoC_2008 and make sure http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Rewrite_Metadata_Validator links there. | 16:29 |
| hdworak | will do | 16:29 |
| hdworak | okay, guys, thanks for help | 16:30 |
| hdworak | it's gonna be a very exciting project to work on | 16:30 |
| hdworak | but right now, I'll be going :) | 16:30 |
| hdworak | it's 23:30 and my girlfriend wants to watch a movie | 16:30 |
| hdworak | c'ya tomorrow | 16:31 |
| paulproteus | See you tomorrow! | 16:31 |
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| paulproteus | Wait, tomorrow's Saturday. | 16:35 |
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| bovinity | ajbrooks: finally fixed up the proejct icons on learn.cc | 18:57 |
| rejon | nkinkade and/or bov: could you add a link for paging of the blog on the main page | 19:02 |
| rejon | so annoying having to click through to the weblog archives to just see the same entries again :) | 19:02 |
| ajbrooks | sweet | 19:02 |
| bovinity | maybe the archives shouldn't echo what's on the main page | 19:02 |
| rejon | yah, could just be link like 1 page into paging on the archives | 19:02 |
| rejon | is that a quick fix, or file that ish? | 19:04 |
| rejon | should I *talk to the redirect* | 19:04 |
| nkinkade | rejon: The archives page has more entries than the main page. | 19:05 |
| nkinkade | Maybe I misunderstood you. | 19:05 |
| nkinkade | I doubt it would be hard to add paging. | 19:05 |
| nkinkade | We even have a fancy plugin to do fancy paging. | 19:06 |
| bovinity | paging would be inaccurate if the archives page shows more entries.. easier to just not show the latest entries in the archives page | 19:06 |
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| nkinkade | bovinity: How do you implement that? | 19:07 |
| bovinity | presently category-1.php is just a standard WP posts loop | 19:09 |
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| rejon | yah, I don't see a reason the main page isn't the archives, but whatever :) | 19:22 |
| rejon | at the end of the day, just a link to more posts starting with new posts on archive page makes sense | 19:22 |
| rejon | right? | 19:22 |
| bovinity | because wordpress is dumb like that | 19:23 |
| rejon | ;) | 19:23 |
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