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| CShadowRun | I'm just wondering, what's the exact deal with credit with creative commons? | 16:00 |
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| paulproteus | What do you mean "credit"? | 16:06 |
| paulproteus | Oh, attribution? | 16:06 |
| CShadowRun | yea | 16:06 |
| paulproteus | http://wiki.creativecommons.org/FAQ#How_do_I_properly_attribute_a_Creative_Commons_licensed_work.3F | 16:07 |
| CShadowRun | thanks :) | 16:07 |
| paulproteus | Sure thing. (-: | 16:08 |
| CShadowRun | and also | 16:08 |
| CShadowRun | If i have a UK and wales CC License | 16:08 |
| CShadowRun | does that mean someone from USA can steal my work? since the license doesn't cover usa? | 16:08 |
| paulproteus | Not at all - the license does cover USA. Copyright is international, so the default is all rights reserved even if the license didn't apply in the US. | 16:09 |
| CShadowRun | cool :) | 16:09 |
| CShadowRun | then i'm all set :p | 16:09 |
| CShadowRun | oh wait, one more question... | 16:09 |
| CShadowRun | the logos with the CC license for your website and such | 16:10 |
| CShadowRun | why do they say "BY" | 16:10 |
| paulproteus | "By" is our short form for attribution, or what you called credit. | 16:10 |
| paulproteus | You have to say who it's "by". | 16:10 |
| CShadowRun | i see :) | 16:10 |
| CShadowRun | there we go, that's my website with a CC Logo on it :P | 16:13 |
| paulproteus | (-: | 16:14 |
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| sammy | lets hear it. and, by the way, when all the 'networks' are xmpp, we can finally absorb all of the goodies from ircd into jabber muc and ditch irc altogether | 20:54 |
| isforinsects | sammy, this'll work | 20:54 |
| isforinsects | Ok, basic idea is starting up an advertising shuffle for lesser known Open Content projects (Librivox, Free-Reading, CC images, etc). | 20:55 |
| isforinsects | Get NP status, and then set up the structures for for-profit companies to run your advertising when/if they have empty slots in their ads lineup. | 20:56 |
| isforinsects | That way they can get a tax break for it. | 20:56 |
| isforinsects | There are *probably* one-off versions of this, but none that work for multiple projects, and not likely one that is easy to work with. | 20:56 |
| isforinsects | If one group set itself up to do this (with some easy web api to plug into) it would be fairly trivial for a small volunteer community to run the project with one or two actual staffers. | 20:57 |
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| isforinsects | One volunteer coordinator, (to wrangle coders, and illustrators), one accountant, and one admin to make deals with Websites. | 20:58 |
| isforinsects | sammy: what think you? | 20:58 |
| sammy | even if it's to buy water for starving babies, I don't know how to get behind the current advertising model. | 20:58 |
| sammy | I don't like the 'hey, while you're doing something completely unrelated, lets show you some video/text/colors/pictures designed to spark your interest in our product/service | 20:58 |
| sammy | it's based solely on who has enough money to *do* the advertising, and taking advantage of tax breaks for companies who should donate 10x than what they do anyway... it would probably work, I'm not not for it | 20:59 |
| sammy | erm, scratch that. I am not for it. where does the licensing issue come in? | 21:00 |
| isforinsects | It would simply taking advantage of traditional advertising streams and coopting them for the purposes of (c) education and the promotion of free and open systems and content. IMO the greatest detriment to FOSS and Open content is a lack of Documentation and public knowledge of the work being done. | 21:02 |
| sammy | you think a lack of public knowledge is the problem? the problem is that people want turnkey solutions, not buggy projects driven by the users | 21:03 |
| isforinsects | This takes people who already have the public voice, and use them to educate their readers. | 21:03 |
| isforinsects | sammy: that's not completely true. Yes, they want turn key, but they would realize that they are better served by FOSS, even if they have to pay a services company to do it. | 21:03 |
| isforinsects | By this I mean the non-buggy and more stable software. | 21:03 |
| isforinsects | The office I work in could be moved over to Ubuntu in a month if my bosses were better educated about Ubuntu and the like. | 21:04 |
| sammy | they don't care how they're served. they don't care where it comes from. | 21:04 |
| sammy | you come from the same place I do, and that's a place where people are skeptical of something if it's not made to make money | 21:04 |
| sammy | and you probably could, but I don't think they'd like it. linux still isn't made for people who don't want a computer they just want a toaster that goes on the internet | 21:05 |
| sammy | you need to realize that you're *smarter* than a lot of people | 21:05 |
| sammy | or whatever qualifier you want to use to define people who don't look at the whole picture | 21:05 |
| sammy | you know why conversion will fail? because you don't have $50billion to advertise with like some companies do | 21:06 |
| isforinsects | If there were an Ubuntu service tech in town, that made the $100 per installation + service contract, and actually was *in the same town* and could *actually fix their problems* I think that people would use him. | 21:06 |
| sammy | and to have an ubuntu service tech, you'd have to have a much, much larger ubuntu organization | 21:07 |
| isforinsects | So you're anti ubuntu now? | 21:07 |
| sammy | and money at that scale, in this day an age, equals waste and corruption, bottom dollar instead of principles, same reason any other big company would love to have the best enviornmental track record, or give back to the community with free software, but they have to compete if they want to survive | 21:08 |
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| isforinsects | Question one: would education help acceptance of FOSS and Open Content? Yes. | 21:09 |
| isforinsects | Question two: would this project educate users? Yes. | 21:09 |
| sammy | where's the question about if you're throwing the baby out with the bathwater? | 21:10 |
| isforinsects | Question three: is this project likely to provide a reasonable cost of return between (people educated) and (cost of org)? Research needs to be done. | 21:10 |
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