| *** sama has joined #cc | 01:08 | |
| *** Paul_Miller has joined #cc | 01:22 | |
| *** sleepwalker has joined #cc | 01:30 | |
| *** rejon has quit IRC | 03:33 | |
| *** paulproteus has quit IRC | 03:33 | |
| *** paulproteus has joined #cc | 03:33 | |
| *** rejon has joined #cc | 03:33 | |
| *** y0ug has joined #cc | 04:11 | |
| *** y0ug has quit IRC | 04:12 | |
| *** Luke__ has quit IRC | 04:42 | |
| *** pktck has quit IRC | 04:42 | |
| *** jonsson_ has quit IRC | 04:42 | |
| *** Luke__ has joined #cc | 04:44 | |
| *** pktck has joined #cc | 04:44 | |
| *** jonsson_ has joined #cc | 04:44 | |
| *** pmiller has joined #cc | 04:47 | |
| *** pktck_ has joined #cc | 04:51 | |
| *** skxpl has quit IRC | 04:52 | |
| *** themayor has quit IRC | 04:52 | |
| *** papyromancer has joined #cc | 04:55 | |
| *** skxpl has joined #cc | 04:57 | |
| *** pktck has quit IRC | 04:57 | |
| *** UltraMagnus has joined #cc | 05:13 | |
| *** pmiller has quit IRC | 05:16 | |
| *** pmiller has joined #cc | 05:19 | |
| *** pmiller has quit IRC | 05:26 | |
| *** tvol has joined #CC | 07:12 | |
| *** tvol has quit IRC | 07:44 | |
| *** tvol has joined #CC | 08:16 | |
| *** sama_ has joined #cc | 08:38 | |
| *** sama has quit IRC | 08:40 | |
| *** rejon has quit IRC | 08:50 | |
| *** rejon has joined #cc | 08:54 | |
| *** cacimar has joined #cc | 09:03 | |
| *** UltraMagnus has quit IRC | 09:04 | |
| *** rlv has joined #cc | 09:10 | |
| *** cacimar has quit IRC | 09:25 | |
| *** CShadowRun has joined #CC | 09:44 | |
| CShadowRun | Hey, i was thinking about putting out some of my work under the CC, however i heard that you shouldn't release software under the CC, why? | 09:45 |
|---|---|---|
| *** nathany has joined #cc | 09:50 | |
| tvol | CShadowRun: see http://wiki.creativecommons.org/FAQ#Can_I_use_a_Creative_Commons_license_for_software.3F | 09:52 |
| CShadowRun | thanks. | 09:52 |
| tvol | no problem! | 09:52 |
| tvol | nathany how was italy? | 09:52 |
| nathany | tvol: italian | 09:53 |
| nathany | :) | 09:53 |
| nathany | it was actually cool... berlin was a lot of fun, too | 09:53 |
| nathany | i experienced the national foods, i think -- pizza in italy and jagermeister in germany | 09:53 |
| tvol | nathany oh i didn't know you were there too. you gave talk in torino? | 09:53 |
| CShadowRun | hmm, so it says i should use the GPL for my software | 09:53 |
| tvol | and berlin? | 09:53 |
| nathany | yeah, gave a talk @ a EU conference in torino | 09:54 |
| nathany | tacked a trip to CCi onto the beginning | 09:54 |
| nathany | CShadowRun: we recommend using an open source license for software, not a CC one | 09:54 |
| nathany | here at CC we use GPL, LGPL, and the MIT licenses | 09:54 |
| CShadowRun | yea, i know. It's just such a nightmare to choose | 09:54 |
| nathany | personally i just limit my choices to those 3 and use some distinctions to make the decision | 09:55 |
| CShadowRun | I pretty much just want something that says that you are allowed to use my software however you want providing you give a clear pointer to me and my website | 09:55 |
| nathany | IIRC the BSD license does this -- requires the "notice" to remain intact | 09:55 |
| nathany | http://creativecommons.org/licenses/BSD/ | 09:56 |
| CShadowRun | thanks :) | 09:56 |
| * CShadowRun reads | 09:56 | |
| nathany | er, maybe not | 09:56 |
| * nathany reads, too | 09:56 | |
| nathany | OK, so both MIT and BSD require that the copyright notice and license terms be included when the source is redistributed | 09:56 |
| nathany | http://creativecommons.org/licenses/MIT/ | 09:57 |
| CShadowRun | hmm, but that doesn't say they have to provide a clear link back to me and my website :( | 09:57 |
| nathany | if that link is in the copyright notice they'd have to retain it | 09:58 |
| nathany | of course IIRC this applies primarily to the source code | 09:58 |
| CShadowRun | i guess so but that would just mean there was a hidden link in some text document that nobody would ever read | 09:58 |
| nathany | if you're doing a web app where you want a link on the pages, you might consider licensing the code under an open source license and the theme under a CC license | 09:59 |
| nathany | (thereby requiring attribution) | 09:59 |
| CShadowRun | the theme? | 09:59 |
| nathany | theme == "look and feel" (CSS, templates, etc for a web app) | 09:59 |
| CShadowRun | oh right, nah it's not a web app | 09:59 |
| nathany | is this a web application you're developing? | 09:59 |
| nathany | ah, ok | 09:59 |
| nathany | so where would you like the link to appear? | 10:00 |
| CShadowRun | just a few simple windows utils | 10:00 |
| CShadowRun | well preferably clearly visable near the download link | 10:00 |
| nathany | oh, so you want them to provide a link back to you if they redistribute the work verbatim? | 10:00 |
| CShadowRun | yup | 10:00 |
| nathany | i'm honestly not sure any popular license will require that | 10:00 |
| CShadowRun | oh, i thought that would be a pretty popular request lol | 10:01 |
| CShadowRun | i could just leave it under the normal copywrite, then they have to email me for permission and i can just say yes, right? | 10:01 |
| nathany | I think there's a behavioral norm that handles a lot of that | 10:01 |
| nathany | sure | 10:01 |
| nathany | or my experience is that when you write software, you usually include an "about" dialog | 10:02 |
| CShadowRun | yea it does have an about dialog | 10:02 |
| nathany | people have little motivation to repost your work w/o a link to you | 10:02 |
| nathany | because users will either a)see the about dialog | 10:02 |
| CShadowRun | but i can so see someone releasing a modified version, and removing the dialog | 10:02 |
| nathany | ok, sure | 10:02 |
| nathany | that's a possibility | 10:02 |
| CShadowRun | it'd just be so easy to steal it and claim it for your own lol | 10:03 |
| nathany | my instinct is that it's a slim one | 10:03 |
| * CShadowRun is a firm beliver in murphys law | 10:03 | |
| nathany | well that's why the source can have a license statement w/ your copyright, etc | 10:03 |
| nathany | heh | 10:03 |
| CShadowRun | guess i could make my own license, but i'm afraid that i'll mess it up somehow. | 10:03 |
| CShadowRun | not having any legal experiance at all, and such. | 10:04 |
| nathany | yeah, that's totally not worth it | 10:04 |
| nathany | license proliferation is a problem as it is and i know that i personally immediately discount software with "custom" licenses | 10:04 |
| CShadowRun | hmm | 10:05 |
| nathany | put another way, what motivation would i have to rebrand your software as mine? i don't want support emails about it :) | 10:06 |
| CShadowRun | haha you'd be suprised how many kiddies try to steal credit from some of the stuff i already put out | 10:07 |
| CShadowRun | it's like those stupid 10 year olds that think they are cool because they can modify the about dialog. :( | 10:07 |
| nathany | sure | 10:07 |
| CShadowRun | hmm, with the GPL no propriatary software can use your code right? | 10:08 |
| nathany | right | 10:08 |
| CShadowRun | lol, what i need is a CC for software | 10:08 |
| nathany | any derivatives need to be licensed under the GPL as well | 10:08 |
| CShadowRun | you should make one already! :P | 10:08 |
| nathany | not gonna happen | 10:08 |
| CShadowRun | :< | 10:09 |
| nathany | There's a huge number of open source licenses that have already been vetted and are in widespread use... very different situation compared to creative works | 10:09 |
| CShadowRun | hmm, so with reguards to putting the content of my website under the CC | 10:10 |
| CShadowRun | what's the deal with getting credit for other people using your work? | 10:10 |
| nathany | all of our licenses requires Attribution when a work is reused; this is typically in the form of a link back to the source | 10:11 |
| CShadowRun | that's cool, i'll probably use the CC on my website atleast then :) | 10:11 |
| nathany | great :) | 10:11 |
| CShadowRun | is a shame, would be really nice to put CC on my software too | 10:11 |
| CShadowRun | is there any sort of license that's almost the same as CC for software? | 10:12 |
| nathany | well there are 6 different CC licenses, so same as which? | 10:13 |
| CShadowRun | hmm | 10:13 |
| CShadowRun | the allow commercial uses, and allow modifications one. | 10:13 |
| nathany | so just attribution or attribution share alike? | 10:14 |
| nathany | GPL, LGPL, MIT, BSD, Apache -- all of them allow commercial use and modifications | 10:14 |
| CShadowRun | share alike | 10:14 |
| CShadowRun | GPL allows commercial use? i thought it didn't? | 10:14 |
| CShadowRun | i thought GPL was like the middle finger to propriatary software | 10:15 |
| nathany | eh, sort of | 10:15 |
| nathany | GPL requires that you release the source as well | 10:15 |
| nathany | so commercial business models typically are based on services instead of licensing | 10:15 |
| CShadowRun | i see | 10:15 |
| CShadowRun | and what about attribution with GPL? | 10:16 |
| CShadowRun | that's just the licensing docs, no links on the website or anything | 10:16 |
| nathany | yeah, i guess that's right | 10:16 |
| CShadowRun | and with GPL it leaves people free to remove anything i put in the program | 10:16 |
| CShadowRun | which makes it pretty easy to screw the author over lol | 10:16 |
| nathany | yes, but they have to keep the source open | 10:16 |
| nathany | if i may be blunt, it sounds like you're interested in keeping control of the code and only allowing free redistribution | 10:17 |
| CShadowRun | lol i'm happy for people to modify it and re-release, that's cool | 10:17 |
| nathany | that's fine | 10:17 |
| nathany | but... | 10:17 |
| CShadowRun | I just want credit for my work, and i mainly want a good link back to my website | 10:17 |
| CShadowRun | mainly because any money i do make from it, is gonna be from the adverts on my website. Lol | 10:18 |
| nathany | ah, ok | 10:18 |
| nathany | unfortunately i don't have any suggestions that help with that | 10:18 |
| CShadowRun | so it's all well and good people can use it for whatever they want, providing theres a clear route back to my site | 10:18 |
| CShadowRun | aww :( | 10:18 |
| nathany | maybe http://opensource.org? they have descriptions of OSI licenses | 10:19 |
| CShadowRun | ok, guess i'll start reading :) | 10:19 |
| CShadowRun | atleast i got my website set :D | 10:19 |
| nathany | sorry :) | 10:19 |
| nathany | great | 10:19 |
| nathany | !] | 10:19 |
| *** nathany has quit IRC | 10:20 | |
| *** rlv has quit IRC | 10:27 | |
| *** cacimar has joined #cc | 10:29 | |
| *** themayor has joined #cc | 10:32 | |
| *** nathany has joined #cc | 10:52 | |
| *** tvol has quit IRC | 10:57 | |
| *** UltraMagnus has joined #cc | 10:58 | |
| *** rejon has quit IRC | 11:46 | |
| *** bovinity has joined #cc | 11:50 | |
| *** rejon has joined #cc | 11:50 | |
| *** rejo1 has joined #cc | 12:00 | |
| *** tvol has joined #CC | 12:16 | |
| *** rejon has quit IRC | 12:20 | |
| *** sama_ has quit IRC | 12:30 | |
| *** nkinkade has joined #cc | 12:31 | |
| *** rejo1 has quit IRC | 12:34 | |
| *** rlv has joined #cc | 12:36 | |
| *** isforinsects has joined #cc | 12:38 | |
| *** rejon has joined #cc | 12:51 | |
| *** cacimar has quit IRC | 12:52 | |
| *** yaourt has joined #cc | 13:05 | |
| *** rlv has quit IRC | 13:18 | |
| *** cacimar has joined #cc | 13:19 | |
| *** rejo1 has joined #cc | 13:43 | |
| *** rejon has quit IRC | 13:45 | |
| CShadowRun | yay, found the license i need to use for my software. The old version of the BSD License before they removed the advertising clause. | 13:59 |
| CShadowRun | that only took...3 days :( | 14:00 |
| CShadowRun | lol | 14:00 |
| UltraMagnus | lol | 14:04 |
| *** tvol has quit IRC | 14:14 | |
| *** pktck_ has quit IRC | 14:25 | |
| *** tvol has joined #CC | 14:29 | |
| *** rejon has joined #cc | 14:36 | |
| *** rejo1 has quit IRC | 14:37 | |
| *** rejo1 has joined #cc | 15:10 | |
| *** rejon has quit IRC | 15:12 | |
| *** rejo1 has quit IRC | 15:55 | |
| *** rejon has joined #cc | 16:03 | |
| *** isforinsects has quit IRC | 16:26 | |
| CIA-43 | paulproteus * r8764 /livecontent/f8-minimal/make_cd.sh: switching to trivial local repository of just cc-home | 16:28 |
| *** rejo1 has joined #cc | 16:35 | |
| CIA-43 | nkinkade * r8765 /ccwordpress/trunk/conf/creativecommons.conf: Reordered several rewrite rules to correct issue with legalcode now displaying | 16:37 |
| *** rejon has quit IRC | 16:37 | |
| paulproteus | tvol, bovinity, FYI I'm working on the F8 transition for LiveContent right now. | 16:49 |
| tvol | paulproteus: sweet | 16:49 |
| paulproteus | This is one of those times where I say to myself, I wish I knew everything so I wouldn't have to spend ages learning it. | 16:53 |
| *** tvol has quit IRC | 16:57 | |
| *** cacimar has quit IRC | 16:58 | |
| CIA-43 | paulproteus * r8766 /livecontent/f8-minimal/ (cc-livecd-template.ks packages-cc.txt): add local mirror, plus remove non-f8 packages | 17:05 |
| *** UltraMagnus has quit IRC | 17:06 | |
| *** rejo1 has quit IRC | 17:06 | |
| *** rejon has joined #cc | 17:09 | |
| *** tvol has joined #CC | 17:16 | |
| CIA-43 | nkinkade * r8767 /ccwordpress/vendor/wordpress/current/ (17 files in 5 dirs): Load ./wordpress-2.3.2 into ccwordpress/vendor/wordpress/current. | 17:31 |
| CIA-43 | nkinkade * r8768 /ccwordpress/vendor/wordpress/2.3.2/: | 17:31 |
| CIA-43 | Tag ccwordpress/vendor/wordpress/current as | 17:31 |
| CIA-43 | ccwordpress/vendor/wordpress/2.3.2. | 17:31 |
| *** naufragio has joined #cc | 17:34 | |
| CIA-43 | nkinkade * r8769 /ccwordpress/trunk/www/ (17 files in 5 dirs): Upgrade of Wordpress from 2.3.1 to 2.3.2 | 17:35 |
| *** Paul_Miller has quit IRC | 17:39 | |
| *** nathany has quit IRC | 17:43 | |
| *** naufragio has quit IRC | 17:50 | |
| *** isforinsects has joined #cc | 17:55 | |
| *** rejo1 has joined #cc | 18:17 | |
| *** rejon has quit IRC | 18:27 | |
| *** yaourt has quit IRC | 18:32 | |
| *** rejon has joined #cc | 18:53 | |
| *** rejo1 has quit IRC | 18:55 | |
| *** kristallpirat has joined #cc | 19:23 | |
| *** rejon has quit IRC | 19:26 | |
| *** rejon has joined #cc | 19:29 | |
| *** bovinity has quit IRC | 19:57 | |
| *** nkinkade has left #cc | 20:01 | |
| *** rejo1 has joined #cc | 20:03 | |
| *** rejon has quit IRC | 20:04 | |
| *** rejo1 has quit IRC | 20:24 | |
| *** rejon has joined #cc | 20:35 | |
| *** tvol has quit IRC | 22:14 | |
| *** rejo1 has joined #cc | 22:32 | |
| *** rejon has quit IRC | 22:37 | |
| *** naufragio has joined #cc | 22:47 | |
| naufragio | paulproteus, i could scream about CC's new contact form! | 22:47 |
| naufragio | 1. it doesn't accept plus-addressing as a valid email address! | 22:47 |
| naufragio | 2. the captcha doesn't accept digits?! i have to spell out the word? (and it doesn't tell you that?) | 22:48 |
| naufragio | what were you guys thinking | 22:49 |
| *** naufragio changes topic to "Creative Commons http://creativecommons.org :: chat logs -> http://mirrors.creativecommons.org/irc/cc/ :: related groups' IRC: #freeculture | No answer? Email the lists - http://creativecommons.org/discuss | New contact form sucks, wth!" | 22:50 | |
| * naufragio takes his ball and goes home | 22:50 | |
| *** naufragio has quit IRC | 22:50 | |
| *** rejo1 has quit IRC | 23:07 | |
| *** rejon has joined #cc | 23:12 | |
Generated by irclog2html.py 2.6 by Marius Gedminas - find it at mg.pov.lt!