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CIA-2fourstones * r8469 /cchost/branches/cch5_work_area/cclib/ (cc-file-props.php cc-template.inc): auto-content manager clean up00:17
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skxplHello, I am going to use Attribution-Noncommercial 3.0 Unported and the human-readable summary states that people willing to use my work " must attribute the work in the manner specified by the author or licensor" -- how should I specify this manner? I would like users to link back.01:42
paulproteusskxpl, Next to where you specify the license, just say "Attribute me by a link to $URL."01:47
paulproteusI think we're working on publishing a nice spec for specifying attribution, or maybe we did and I've briefly forgotten (hey, it's late!), but either way you'll have to do it in some human-readable way eventually.01:48
paulproteusThe CC FAQ might answer this, too.01:48
paulproteusI hope this is helpful; I'm pretty tired. (-:01:48
skxplpaulproteus, but doesn't CC licenses exclude anything not included in license text?02:05
paulproteusskxpl, I don't understand what you mean.02:06
skxplgive me a second to rephrase that02:06
skxplfrom 8e: "This License constitutes the entire agreement between the parties with respect to the Work licensed here. There are no understandings, agreements or representations with respect to the Work not specified here."02:06
paulproteusskxpl, Right, but you have to specify *somehow* how to attribute you.02:07
paulproteusAccording to the license, right?02:07
skxplI know, that's my problem :)02:07
paulproteusSo just do it. (-:02:07
skxplmaybe i should edit the license itself?02:07
paulproteusNo, that's a bad idea!02:08
paulproteusThen it wouldn't strictly be a "Creative Commons license" but an "skxpl license".02:08
skxplOK, so I'll just add it somewhere nearby -- thanks02:08
paulproteusOkay, great. (-:02:08
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CIA-2nyergler * r8470 /i18n/trunk/po/es_PR/: Added es_PR10:38
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CIA-2nyergler * r8471 /cc.engine/trunk/cc/engine/zero/templates/zero.pt: Updates to template, styling, javascript to show/hide sections as appropriate in Web 2.0 UI.12:20
CIA-2nyergler * r8472 /ccwordpress/trunk/www/includes/ (zero.css zero_chooser.js): Updates to template, styling, javascript to show/hide sections as appropriate in Web 2.0 UI.12:20
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CIA-2bse * r8473 /campaign_widget/trunk/widget: Revised widget contents12:44
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CIA-2bse * r8474 /ccwordpress/trunk/www/includes/campaignwidget.css: Only ever display #donors.12:58
CIA-2nyergler * r8475 /cc.engine/trunk/cc/engine/zero/ (__init__.py configure.zcml templates/zero.pt):13:00
CIA-2Use <button>s, not <a>s along with a dispatch script to make radio-style13:00
CIA-2buttons work again in Web 2.0 UI.13:00
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CIA-2 Only ever display #donors.13:11
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CIA-2bse * r8477 /campaign_widget/trunk/widget: Don't need to include progress.css any more.13:13
CIA-2nkinkade * r8478 /cc.engine/branches/labs/: Commiting svnmerge-integrated property changes13:17
CIA-2nyergler * r8479 /cc.engine/trunk/cc/engine/zero/templates/results.pt: Use the correct verb in the web 1.0 results.13:23
CIA-2nyergler * r8480 /cc.engine/trunk/cc/engine/ (rdfa/zero.py zero/templates/zero.pt): Metadata language updates. Owwie.13:24
CIA-2nyergler * r8481 /cc.engine/trunk/cc/engine/zero/ (configure.zcml templates/index.pt templates/zero.pt): Renaming index template to, well, index.13:25
CIA-2nkinkade * r8482 /cc.engine/branches/labs/ (. cc/engine/skin/resources/):13:28
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CIA-2 r8305 | nyergler | 2007-12-14 11:26:48 -0800 (Fri, 14 Dec 2007) | 1 line13:28
CIA-2 Updated externals to point to new ccwordpress repos layout.13:28
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nkinkadepaulproteus: how important is the scheduling priority for the scripts nightly_gen_dump.py on a5?13:31
paulproteusnightly_gen_dump.py it's not very important when it runs.13:31
paulproteusThere's another script that is important when it runs.13:31
paulproteusOh, never mind.13:32
paulproteusnkinkade, You're saying, I should nice it right now?13:32
nkinkadepaulproteus: there might be more than one script, but it's been pegging the cpu at near 100% for the past 20 or 30 minutes.13:32
paulproteusYes, that's right.  But that's what the CPU is for.13:32
paulproteusEven if I nice'd it, it would probably put the CPU at 100%, since it has math to do.13:32
nkinkadepaulproteus: i'm not really saying that, necessarily.  Only that keystrokes over SSH are lagging a bit.13:32
paulproteusInteresting.  I'll nice it. (-:13:33
nkinkadepaulproteus: I was attributing it tot hat script, but it could be something else, and I was thinking that if it was that script and that it wasn't too time sensitive that maybe you could set the cronjob up to nice it to some high number.  Not a big deal at all, though.13:34
paulproteusnkinkade, It's not being run by a cron job despite its name.13:34
paulproteusIt's being run interactively by me right now; that's why your question confused.13:34
paulproteus(next time, check pstree to make sure it's really being run by cron to avoid confusion)13:35
nkinkadepaulproteus: it must be a local network thing, because it's still dragging, and it seems to be dragging for other servers as well, but I didn't think I saw that earlier.13:37
paulproteusInteresting.  I'm not doing any intensive transfer right now btw or hammering other machines' CPUs fwiw.13:37
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CIA-2nkinkade * r8483 /cc.engine/trunk/README.txt: Updating the README.txt file14:16
paulproteusZebulunch, anyone?14:18
bovinityooh, it's raining. i'll go14:19
CIA-2paulproteus * r8484 /stats/nightly_gen_dumps.py: Actually works now...14:19
paulproteusSay 12:30? (nathany/nkinkade?)14:20
nathanypaulproteus: zebuyum14:20
nkinkade12:30 sounds good.14:21
paulproteuszebuya14:22
paulproteusmlinksva ACKs also14:26
CIA-2bse * r8485 /ccwordpress/trunk/www/wp-content/plugins/creativecommons/creativecommons.php:14:26
CIA-2Additional function args to allow a single category in a feed; and not display a category image. Defaults to14:26
CIA-2one post per cat, and display an image.14:26
CIA-2bse * r8486 /ccwordpress/trunk/www/wp-content/plugins/creativecommons/creativecommons.php: Build feed from feed name, not id.14:31
nathanypaulproteus: nkinkade: bovinity: mlinksva: the appointed hour is upon us14:31
bovinityahoy14:31
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JoeThomasHi15:09
Garethnathany: ping.15:12
JoeThomasAnyone help me with licensing?15:19
JoeThomasI'm not to knowledged and do not have the money to hire an attorney to get advice from.15:19
JoeThomasI think I want to go with the CC Attribution-NonCommercial-NoDerivs 3.0 Unported. Except I'm not sure by "to Share --to copy, distribute and transmit the work." Does this mean that people can give it to other individuals free or no fee, or does it just mean that person can only copy for their own use?15:22
bovinitythey can share it, but not make any money off it, or alter it15:26
bovinitywithout permission15:26
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JoeThomasSo they can give to their friend, and they NEED permission?15:26
bovinitythey can freely share it to anyone15:27
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bovinityjust need permission to make money or alter15:27
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JoeThomasWell I will be programming clients websites. Not sure what license to use thuoh.15:27
JoeThomasthough*, mind my spelling please.15:27
bovinitysoftware licenses are more suitable for website backend code; CC licenses are for content.15:28
JoeThomasAlright, think you could still help me with that.15:29
JoeThomasI will be paid for creating them, but I don't want the client to be able to resell it, more less a 1 license for them.15:29
JoeThomasBut, I'm fine for that client to modify/alter/build upon it.15:29
bovinityopen source licenses, in general, allow sharing of the work15:30
bovinityby what you're saying, you may be better working with a lawyer and come up with a specific contract15:31
JoeThomasalright, well thank you so much for your help. I really do appreciate it!15:31
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nathanyGareth: pong15:35
Garethnathany: hey wanted to run an idea by you...if you have a few minutes.15:37
nathany sure15:38
Garethso I remember you saying that Creative Commons didnt have the staff, resources to run your own booth at SCALE, I was looking into getting an OLPC presence at the show..someone pinged me (Earth Treasury) about doing it.  My thought was that perhaps the OLPC booth can be a combination Creative Commons, Earth Treasury, <other groups that are involved with the OLPC project) booth.15:39
nathanywe did something similar @ Linux World15:41
nathanybut we still had a CC staff presence at the booth15:41
nathanythe entire time; based on my interaction with people who wanted OLPC information when they weren't around15:41
nathanyi don't know that's its really that useful w/o someone there to answer questions, etc15:42
* Gareth nods15:42
GarethI remember the CC booth at LWE.15:42
nathanyso >= 50% of people came up to ask about OLPC, and when they weren't there we weren't really equipped to answer questions15:42
nathanyi don't know that i expect others to be any better equipped to answer questions re: CC15:43
Garethhm. thats a good point.15:43
Garethmy thought was that that could kill two birds with one stone (booth) :)15:43
nathanywell that makes sense... and it was nice @ LWE since we really didn't need a dedicated booth15:44
nathanybut i think we're going to pass this year15:44
Garethokay.15:44
nathanyhopefully our work over the next year will pay off and we can do it next year15:44
Garethdefinitely.15:44
nathanythanks for following up on that, though15:44
Garethno worries.  glad to do it.15:44
nathany:)15:44
GarethDo you know what other groups are involved with OLPC besides Creative Commons?  I know Fedora is...but they're be at SCALE already as well as Red Hat and Google.15:45
nathanythose are the only ones I know of15:45
Garethhm okay. so you know anything about the Earth Treasury folks?15:47
paulproteus               [2 new messages! Most recent from Linus Torvalds]15:47
* paulproteus is suddenly afraid to read his mail15:47
nathanyGareth: never heard of them15:47
Garethnathany: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Earth_Treasury15:48
paulproteusnathany, Remember when I talked about someone giving an OLPC presentation at BALUG around July or August?15:48
paulproteusThat was by the Earth Treasury guy.15:48
nathanyah15:48
nathanyok15:48
nathanythen you know an order of magnitude more than i :)15:48
paulproteusI suppose.15:49
nathanyalthough 0*10 == 015:49
Garethpaulproteus: what was your opinion of them?15:49
paulproteusGareth, This is a publicly logged channel. (-;15:49
Garethah hm. good point.15:49
Garethmind if we take it private?15:49
paulproteusSure, PM me.15:49
CIA-2fourstones * r8487 /cchost/branches/cch5_work_area/ (4 files in 3 dirs): bugfix: 1863371 Manage Remixes broken16:00
CIA-2nyergler * r8488 /cc.engine/trunk/cc/engine/ (5 files in 2 dirs): Restored borked characteristic pages.16:03
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CIA-2nyergler * r8489 /cc.engine/branches/production/cc/engine/skin/resources/: Updated externals.16:06
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CIA-2fourstones * r8492 /cchost/branches/cch5_work_area/cclib/cc-remix.php: bugfix: bad prompt, redirecting to prop page after source change instead16:12
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paulproteusnathany, I want to reply all and say "Christ!" too.16:27
nathany:)16:28
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CIA-2nkinkade * r8493 /ccwordpress/trunk/www/wp-content/themes/cc4/ (5 files): Added pretty pagination (WP-PageNavi) to all of the categories16:40
nkinkadebovinity: since you already commited the search and nice pagination, are you fine with me merging to production the nice pagination for all of the categories e.g. commoners, weblog, etc...16:44
bovinitynkinkade, yep, that's fine with me16:44
CIA-2nkinkade * r8494 /ccwordpress/branches/production/ (6 files in 2 dirs):16:46
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nkinkadebovinity: where do you stand on the changes to the CC WP plugin?  I'd like to play around with the Magpie part to try to get it to use the Atom feed instead of the RSS feed.17:17
bovinitynkinkade, i changed the url over to the atom on my local build.. and it worked iwthout a problem.17:18
bovinityi'm pretty sure the updates can go live now17:18
nkinkadebovinity: really?  and did it requite using the 'atom_feed' array?17:19
bovinityi changed the url and  it *just worked*, strangely enough17:19
bovinityunless i was hallucinating17:19
* bovinity checks17:20
bovinityoh, guess i was. nevermind.17:21
bovinityif you want to add atom support, go ahead :)17:21
nkinkadebovinity: oh, nevermind.  I misread the docs.  the content is normalized and you can access via either the rss or atom name.17:22
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bovinityhmm17:22
nkinkadethe docs are not new, and it says that only the content must be accessed via ['atom_content'].17:23
nkinkadei may be looking at an old post though.  in any case, i just wanted to make sure that those changes you were working on were finished, more or less.17:23
nkinkadebovinity: hmm.  i just changed the feed to atom on staging and it's not really working.   i'll let you know ....17:26
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bovinitynkinkade, magpie supposedly only supports Atom 0.3, and not 1.0... possibly why it's failing17:34
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nkinkadebovinity: paulproteus: any reason we're using magpie to parse the feed?  how about something a bit newer, and in a convenient PEAR package like http://pear.php.net/package/XML_Feed_Parser17:40
paulproteusnkinkade, Beats me, I used Magpie because the FC.o guys were using it back in 2004 or something and I minimized changes to their code.17:41
bovinityand i used PP's code to base the feed reader on ;)17:41
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nkinkadebovinity: i suspect that it would be trivial to change the parse, and not even have to alter much of the other code.  i'll give this PEAR a shot.  Magpie doesn't seem like it's being actively developed at the moment.17:43
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bovinity2.0-RC1 came out in october 2006... nothing else since.17:43
nkinkadeI like the idea of using a PEAR package because there is a nice program for managing installed PEAR packages.17:44
nkinkadeAnything that can be installed and managed easily seems better to me.17:44
nkinkade$ sudo pear install XML_Feed_Parser ... and wah-lah.17:45
paulproteusWell, so long as the program itself is not utter trash.17:45
bovinitythe program or the module?17:45
paulproteusI have no data on the relative trashiness of XML_Feed_Parser vs. Magpie.17:45
paulproteusEr, I mean the "anything" that gets installed.17:46
nkinkadepaulproteus: it could be.  he makes mention of Mark Pilgrim in the docs.  :)17:46
bovinityas long as xmL_feed_parser sucks less...17:46
nkinkadeHe says, "Following the lead set by Mark Pilgrim's Universal Feed    Parser, which makes working with feeds in python a breeze, I have shaped some classes that I hope will provide a similar level    of flexibility and abstraction for PHP coders."17:46
nkinkadeOf course, that doesn't mean anything, but it makes me feel better that he's at least aware of how great the Universal FeedParser is.17:47
bovinitymagpie 2.0 was apparently going in that direction too17:47
bovinityhttp://feedparser.org/17:47
CIA-2fourstones * r8495 /cchost/branches/cch5_work_area/ (7 files in 6 dirs):17:53
CIA-2bugfix: edits to config fields were lost when form had errors17:53
CIA-2annoyance: disable site form used to complain about missing password when re-enabling site17:53
CIA-2annoyance: form error no longer resized input field17:53
CIA-2admin: added 'Private Mode' banner so it's obvious when site is disabled to public17:53
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nkinkadebovinity: nathany: I'm currently messing up staging briefly while I get this new feed parser for PHP going.  Let me know if this is a problem.17:58
nathanynkinkade: not a problem for me17:59
bovinityis fine17:59
paulproteusI suppose I'll use the improved thingamajig on freeculture.org too then.18:03
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CIA-2paulproteus * r8496 /stats/nightly_gen_dumps.py: change filenames to appease web browsers18:33
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paulproteusnkinkade, Any thought to my "stealth DNS" idea?18:57
nkinkadepaulproteus: I like the idea.  I don't really care if we host the DNS, just that we have administrative control over the zone file.18:58
paulproteusPrecisely.18:59
nkinkadepaulproteus: have you ever had to deal with encodings in PHP?  I'm using the new feed parser, but for some reason the encodings are getting jacked up.18:59
paulproteusEek.19:00
nkinkadepaulproteus: I was going to look into your idea about the stealth DNS tomorrow, or monday.  if it is really as easy as all that, AND Marc is willing to go along with it, then I can see why we shouldn't do something like that, even if it's just a stop-gap.19:00
paulproteusText encoding fights are rarely fun, especially when you're in PHP.19:00
paulproteusYippee re: DNS.19:00
nkinkadepaulproteus:   I'll take that as no regarding encodings and PHP. :)19:00
paulproteusI'm afraid it's actually a yes.19:01
nkinkadewhen I tell PHP to print an object the encoding is fine but when I access an individual attribute like $parser->summary, it seems to lose the encoding.19:01
nkinkadeSomething is apparently happening to the encoding between $parser and $parser->summary.19:02
paulproteusLemme see I guess.19:02
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paulproteusnkinkade, P.S. Recall my considerations of relative trashiness.20:01
paulproteusP.P.S. I'll keep Magpie, I think. (-;20:01
nkinkadepaulproteus: i don't remember your considerations of relative trashiness.  Magpie seems fine, except that it doesn't support Atom, which isn't too big a deal.20:02
paulproteus<paulproteus> Well, so long as the program itself is not utter trash.20:02
nkinkadeAnd I also sort of like that this other can be installed in a clean way via pear.20:02
paulproteus<paulproteus> I have no data on the relative trashiness of XML_Feed_Parser vs. Magpie.20:02
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paulproteusSure. *shrug*20:02
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CIA-2fourstones * r8497 /cchost/branches/cch5_work_area/ (13 files in 4 dirs): new feature: user preferences for profile tab and sidebar20:08
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CIA-2nyergler * r8498 /cc.engine/trunk/cc/engine/skin/resources/ext-2.0/ (1560 files in 129 dirs): Importing ext-js library for use with new wizard-style cc0 UI.21:16
CIA-2nyergler * r8499 /cc.engine/trunk/cc/engine/zero/templates/index.pt: Support for "wizard" UI.21:19
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