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| nkinkade | bov: the merge should be the easy part. the nerve-wracking part is the svn update on a3. | 00:18 |
| bov | that went according to plan | 00:20 |
| bov | but yeah, indeed ;) | 00:20 |
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| CIA-2 | fourstones * r8385 /cchost/branches/cch5_work_area/ (33 files in 13 dirs): upgrade kinda works now | 11:57 |
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| phalax | hi. Have been googling around for a site that only have creative commons midi songs.. Any suggestions? | 13:58 |
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| revil | hi there!! I want to find the address in memory that a function ends (in compile time.). How can I do that? If not in ANSI C then with some gcc-specific directive | 16:17 |
| luisv | wrong channel :) | 16:17 |
| luisv | this is creative commons, not c compiler | 16:18 |
| luisv | :) | 16:18 |
| revil | Is it advised to use the address that the next function starts mabe? | 16:19 |
| revil | luisv, that means it is not part of the 'vanilla' compiler? | 16:20 |
| luisv | revil: that means you are asking the wrong people | 16:20 |
| revil | oh.. I now see it | 16:20 |
| revil | sorry there.. | 16:21 |
| luisv | no problem | 16:21 |
| luisv | wish I could point you to the right place, good luck with that | 16:21 |
| revil | no need.. That's my responsibility. | 16:22 |
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| paulproteus | ##c btw | 16:57 |
| paulproteus | Oh, well. | 16:57 |
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| rillian | hi | 17:49 |
| rillian | is the new CC+ stuff machinable? or is it just a branded link? | 17:49 |
| gavinbaker | rillian, iirc there's metadata for it | 17:51 |
| gavinbaker | i think it's called morerights | 17:51 |
| gavinbaker | if there's info on the web, it's at wiki.cc.o | 17:51 |
| rillian | yeah I was digging there | 17:51 |
| rillian | light on the technical details | 17:52 |
| gavinbaker | i really think it's just a URL | 17:52 |
| gavinbaker | there's just one field, which is either not set or a URL to point to info about more rights | 17:53 |
| rillian | congrats on meeting your fundraising target btw! | 17:56 |
| freakofmimsy | Yes, congratulations everybody. | 17:57 |
| freakofmimsy | funnily enough, in november, it wasn't looking very achievable. | 17:57 |
| bov | :) | 17:59 |
| gavinbaker | freakofmimsy: i remember that as well | 17:59 |
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| gavinbaker | i think larry always keeps some cards in his deck just in case | 17:59 |
| nkinkade | rillian: gavinbaker: re the CC+ stuff. I think the hope is that it will all be machine readable. the main part, i believe, is as you say a URL. that URL should be marked up with RDF(a) as something like cc:morePermissions. one would hope that the URL at the other end would in turn have RDF(a) describing itself, but that may be out of the hands of CC. | 18:04 |
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| rillian | nkinkade: I agree the current spec has room for a machinable license | 18:05 |
| bovinity | that's the idea | 18:05 |
| rillian | but I think someone (ideally cc) should offer some specific ones | 18:05 |
| rillian | not everyone would want that | 18:05 |
| bovinity | cc+ isn't a license though | 18:05 |
| nkinkade | rillian: from what i understand the URL could point to another non-CC license, for example, and that license may or may not have machine readable data. but clearly CC would like to see that. | 18:06 |
| rillian | the use case would be: CC aware authoring software can currently tell you if you're CC-compatible, and sometimes even generate your attribution credits for you. | 18:06 |
| nkinkade | Right. CC+ isn't a license, but a way of marking a CC license in a machine readable way that indicates that some other terms apply, another additional license for example. | 18:07 |
| rillian | The next step would be to be able to calculate the licensing fees for CC+ licensed content to match whatever terms you've specified for your work | 18:07 |
| rillian | and you could then click 'buy' and it would paypal everyone, for example. | 18:07 |
| rillian | that's what I mean by a machinable license infrastructure | 18:07 |
| rillian | not everyone will go for that, obviously, but it would already work for outfits like magnatune | 18:08 |
| nkinkade | rillian: I have seen some email to that effect ... regarding the "buy" link type of thing. | 18:08 |
| rillian | right, a 'buy' button is probably a better way to describe it | 18:09 |
| rillian | right now, the Rhythmbox audio player can show you the magnatune and jamendo catalogs, and play stuff out of them | 18:09 |
| rillian | and there's a big 'buy' button | 18:10 |
| nkinkade | but to be honest, even though I work at CC it's all still somewhat unclear to me as well. | 18:10 |
| rillian | but it just takes you to the website where you have to fill out all the forms like usual | 18:10 |
| nkinkade | And this isn't necessarily because it's unclear, but more because I haven't been in on the core discussions and formulation of what precisely CC+ is. :) | 18:10 |
| rillian | it's not parity with the iTunes store, where you can have your account on file and just do it in one click | 18:10 |
| rillian | nkinkade: and because the announcement doesn't make it clear what we should be getting behind :) | 18:11 |
| nkinkade | rillian: I guess ultimately the sky is the limit. If you can dream up a use case, then surely someone could implement it. Whether it gets used is another question. :) | 18:11 |
| nkinkade | rillian: Well, I'd say keep you eyes on the CC blog. I know I will be. :) | 18:12 |
| rillian | :) | 18:12 |
| nkinkade | rillian: I think that some of the grittier and finer aspects of CC+ are still be hashed out, though the basic framework seems to be established, which is key. | 18:12 |
| nkinkade | s/still be/still being/ | 18:13 |
| rillian | fair enough | 18:15 |
| gavinbaker | i can't imagine the basic format going beyond what it is now | 18:15 |
| gavinbaker | i.e. any later extensions would be optional | 18:16 |
| gavinbaker | because people will have many different ways of the extra licensing | 18:16 |
| gavinbaker | you could set the value to an email address, for instance | 18:16 |
| gavinbaker | in other words, if you want to license this, email me | 18:16 |
| rillian | gavinbaker: well, it would be new licenses, or an RDFa scheme for describing license terms and payment info, that would live at the end of the CC+ url | 18:17 |
| rillian | whether that goes under the CC+ brand or not I couldn't say | 18:17 |
| nkinkade | gavinbaker: I think you're right. | 18:17 |
| gavinbaker | rillian: i think you'll find that commercial licensing is so specialized that it won't be possible to standardize very much | 18:17 |
| rillian | creative commons is about lowering the costs of working with digital media | 18:18 |
| gavinbaker | and, frankly, i kind of question how much CC ought to support it | 18:18 |
| gavinbaker | vs. focusing on supporting CC's own licenses | 18:19 |
| rillian | of course most commercial licensing is too complex, and the people involved wouldn't in interested in automated licensing this decade | 18:19 |
| rillian | but I think if you gave a standard way for ordinary people to sell exceptions to their NC clause, people would use it | 18:19 |
| rillian | given them a boilerplate commercial license, and enough info a 'buy' button can work | 18:20 |
| gavinbaker | rillian: i think that's where lulu comes in :p | 18:20 |
| rillian | do you see what I'm talking about? | 18:20 |
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| rillian | guess not :( | 18:21 |
| gavinbaker | it'll be some other service that handles the terms & transaction, and the CC license can just point there | 18:21 |
| gavinbaker | i really don't see the need to standardize more than that | 18:21 |
| gavinbaker | especially since i foresee uptake being very little | 18:21 |
| gavinbaker | and since it gets away from the goal of CC to increase user freedom | 18:22 |
| gavinbaker | extending CC+ just makes it easy for some people who decline to give me freedoms to make some money | 18:22 |
| gavinbaker | which is not necessarily bad, but it's definitely not a core goal of CC | 18:22 |
| gavinbaker | imho, one of the more useful potential uses for CC+ is to point to an alternative open license | 18:23 |
| gavinbaker | as in, "you can use this under cc by-sa or gnu fdl" | 18:23 |
| rillian | Isn't declining to give people freedoms to make some money the whole point of the nc clause? | 18:24 |
| rillian | but I see you point | 18:24 |
| paulproteus | gavinbaker, BTW you imagine someone doing CC by-sa + CC+ for non-sa or non-by reproductions. | 18:49 |
| gavinbaker | is that a question? | 18:50 |
| paulproteus | gavinbaker, BTW you *can* imagine someone doing CC by-sa + CC+ for non-sa or non-by reproductions. | 18:50 |
| paulproteus | Not a question, but a statement with a typo. | 18:50 |
| gavinbaker | paulproteus, that seems less likely than getting around the NC clause, but it could happen | 18:52 |
| nkinkade | paulproteus: are you suggesting that it's conceivable that someone would apply a by-sa + CC+ non-sa? it's a wonderful and crazy world. | 18:57 |
| paulproteus | nkinkade, Yes - I'm sure e.g. SJ might do that. | 18:57 |
| paulproteus | Heck, I might! | 18:57 |
| nkinkade | paulproteus: then what is the difference between that and a simple BY license? | 18:59 |
| paulproteus | nkinkade, No, I mean CC+ to offer to sell non-SA. | 18:59 |
| gavinbaker | paulproteus: ... why not just offer it under by? | 19:00 |
| nkinkade | paulproteus: ah. now that makes sense. | 19:00 |
| paulproteus | gavinbaker, To make money fast! | 19:00 |
| nkinkade | gavinbaker: that is what i was asking. but i see what he means now. | 19:00 |
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| paulproteus | You west coasters are stuck in the past! | 19:01 |
| paulproteus | It's already two hours past lunchtime here. | 19:02 |
| paulproteus | Although at this rate I'll be eating at the same time as you. | 19:02 |
| nkinkade | i was actually pondering timezones this morning. it blows my mind that i could step across an imaginary line and suddenly be 24 hours in the past or future by wall time. | 19:04 |
| paulproteus | The alternative is to walk a two miles one direction and move the wallclock time by a minute. | 19:05 |
| paulproteus | Well, probably like 20 seconds. | 19:05 |
| gavinbaker | paulproteus: the alternative is to use the same time everywhere | 19:05 |
| paulproteus | I think that might be more fun, but it'd be less scalable I suppose. | 19:05 |
| gavinbaker | but apparently some people don't like going to work at 3pm | 19:06 |
| paulproteus | gavinbaker, Puh-lease, we have to maintain the relative correctness of noon everywhere! | 19:06 |
| gavinbaker | when the sun is coming up | 19:06 |
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| CIA-2 | nkinkade * r8386 /ccwordpress/trunk/www/legalcode/ (6 files): Adding Serbian licenses (legalcode only) | 20:30 |
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| CIA-2 | nkinkade * r8387 /planet/trunk/ (7 files in 4 dirs): Add test to unit test to make sure BeautifulSoup is installed | 23:57 |
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