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| paulproteus | nathany, bovinity, lunchtime from http://seoulonwheels.com/ for me. | 20:07 |
| isforinsects | Hey, there people active here? I have an idea I wanna bounce off of you all. | 20:11 |
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| nathany | hi isforinsects | 20:54 |
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| isforinsects | hi nathany | 21:47 |
| isforinsects | Mind if I pick your brain? | 21:47 |
| nathany | isforinsects: go ahead | 21:51 |
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| isforinsects | In my recent experience with OLPC, I've found a lot of open content being produced online that I haven't seen before. I have also seen dozens of people show up on the laptop.org wiki asking to help contribute. A lot of these people's responses have gone unanswered because they don't understand media wiki and just because of a lack of man power. | 21:57 |
| isforinsects | From this and other factors, I feel that the largest current setback for Open Content, specifically CC content, is a lack of advertising and public knowledge about various group's undertakings. | 21:58 |
| isforinsects | People in meatspace are constantly fascinated by projects that I am interested in or have heard of. | 21:58 |
| paulproteus | I think this is one thing Students for Free Culture is trying to change. | 22:01 |
| paulproteus | s/I think/I know/ | 22:01 |
| paulproteus | c.f. http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.org.freeculture.discuss/1454 | 22:01 |
| paulproteus | I think you're right that this is a real problem for Free Culture issues, and we as a community would do well to do something about it. | 22:03 |
| paulproteus | Things like Ubuntu Hug Day and Edit Wikipedia Week seem like good starts to me, but I don't have all that much on the answer front for this one. | 22:03 |
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| isforinsects | I have a suggestion: | 22:05 |
| isforinsects | Which was my reason for poping up here, not just to make the above comment. | 22:05 |
| isforinsects | I have worked in advertising, in print and otherwise. And often there are unfilled ad spaces. A client pulls at the last minute and there is an open gap on a printed page. Or on the internet, there are often websites that have holes in their advertising schedule. | 22:07 |
| isforinsects | If glossy, well designed, and unobtrusive ads were created for say: CC music, Wikibooks, Librivox etc. And the framework that advertising companies use to cycle ads were put in place. | 22:08 |
| paulproteus | You know about https://www.google.com/adsense/support/bin/answer.py?answer=10035 , right? | 22:09 |
| isforinsects | And if some groundwork was done in talking to various websites, I think that a lot of good PR would result. | 22:09 |
| isforinsects | Google Philanthropic ads? | 22:09 |
| paulproteus | Right, the Google Public Service Ads. | 22:09 |
| isforinsects | Yes. I am aware of it. | 22:10 |
| paulproteus | Okay. I'm not saying it's directly related, jut wanted to make sure you knew about it. | 22:10 |
| isforinsects | Well it is related, and it's a very parallel project. | 22:11 |
| isforinsects | Are you familiar with Lifehacker? | 22:11 |
| paulproteus | A little bit, sure. | 22:11 |
| paulproteus | I don't read it daily, but I go there every couple of months. (-: | 22:11 |
| isforinsects | Well Gawker media, their parent company, donates their extra ad space to various artists, and shows some of their art on the site. | 22:12 |
| paulproteus | Oh, interesting. | 22:12 |
| isforinsects | They are pretty. | 22:12 |
| isforinsects | Yes. | 22:12 |
| paulproteus | Half-jokingly, I would put your idea on a website called "ads-for-great-justice.com". | 22:14 |
| paulproteus | advertising-free-culture would be more appropriate. | 22:14 |
| isforinsects | Basically. | 22:14 |
| paulproteus | Although that raises the issue of (advertising-free) culture. | 22:14 |
| nathany | free-culture-adversiting? | 22:14 |
| isforinsects | Like almost no one I talk to knows about Free Reading. | 22:14 |
| paulproteus | In fact, I don't! | 22:14 |
| paulproteus | http://www.free-reading.net/index.php?title=Main_Page | 22:15 |
| isforinsects | That's the one. | 22:15 |
| isforinsects | Perfect for the OLPC project! | 22:15 |
| paulproteus | I imagine Ahrash at CC Learn knows about this thing. | 22:15 |
| * paulproteus nods | 22:15 | |
| isforinsects | Textop is another one that I am going to be donating some time to in the upcoming months. | 22:16 |
| paulproteus | And another one I don't know about, which seems to be textop.org. | 22:17 |
| isforinsects | Larry Sanger's other new project he's going to be working on after Citizenium. | 22:17 |
| isforinsects | Take a look at his manifesto on Text and Collaboration. | 22:17 |
| isforinsects | Mind blowing. | 22:18 |
| isforinsects | The history outline project has some interesting parallels to the OLPC Journal concept and to people who are creating Media Streams of their lives via RSS. | 22:18 |
| isforinsects | Anyway, who do you think I should talk to about the advertising project? Think it has the room to be it's own non-profit and allow corps to write off advertising space they give to it? | 22:21 |
| paulproteus | I'm sure you could get some more feedback from cc-community. | 22:21 |
| paulproteus | I would hope that the infrastructure could be simple and crowdsourced enough not to need the kind of organizational structure of a nonprofit. | 22:22 |
| isforinsects | I am inclined to think in terms of non-profits. It could be crowdsourced, but a NP would allow US corp's to write off advertising donations. A considerable reason for running the ad's | 22:23 |
| paulproteus | That's true, and is interesting. | 22:24 |
| isforinsects | My eventual life goal is to administer and foster small volunteer groups; Librivox, etc; to become non-profits and to help organize community. As well as supporting the ORG by leveraging their free content. | 22:28 |
| paulproteus | ORG == Open Rights Group? | 22:28 |
| isforinsects | The organization. But by volunteer groups I mean online based Open Content creation groups. | 22:29 |
| * paulproteus nods | 22:30 | |
| paulproteus | Have you talked to SJ about this? | 22:30 |
| paulproteus | He's thought a lot about getting groups together to create Free Culture works. | 22:30 |
| isforinsects | I had the idea the other night and this is my first conversation about it. | 22:32 |
| isforinsects | SJ is an insanely busy person right now. | 22:32 |
| isforinsects | I barely find time to talk to him about content going directly onto the OLPC, let alone side projects like this. | 22:33 |
| isforinsects | Or do you mean my general life goals? | 22:33 |
| paulproteus | I know what you mean re: SJ being busy, but I'm sure he'd be of use. (-: | 22:34 |
| paulproteus | I meant about this advertising idea, not general life goals. | 22:35 |
| isforinsects | Yeah. That's what I thought. I'm sure he would be interested, once Update.1 goes out... | 22:36 |
| paulproteus | (-: | 22:36 |
| paulproteus | Remind me, where are you based? | 22:36 |
| isforinsects | Well, maybe not. I have a feeling the Content Community is going to explode once G1G1's start arriving. | 22:36 |
| isforinsects | Washington state. | 22:36 |
| paulproteus | I was going to say, Update.1 is hardly the tip of the iceberg. | 22:36 |
| isforinsects | After Update.1 SJ should be able to sleep atleast every other night. | 22:37 |
| paulproteus | Hopefully. | 22:37 |
| isforinsects | Who else do you think might be interested. If I didn't have a dozen things too many on my plate, I would be interested in spearheading it. But as it sits right now, I can't. | 22:44 |
| isforinsects | I just want to be a contributor, not the creator. | 22:44 |
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| paulproteus | I know what you mean re: plate. | 22:48 |
| paulproteus | Start by pinging a broader community than the 18 of us (16 if you don't count bots) in this channel. | 22:48 |
| paulproteus | cc-community might be an okay start, as might the discuss@freeculture.org list. | 22:48 |
| paulproteus | In fact, I wonder if Gavin Baker would take try to this on as a full-time job.... | 22:49 |
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| isforinsects | Full-time job? | 23:09 |
| isforinsects | Who is Gavin Baker? | 23:10 |
| paulproteus | He's a former Students for Free Culture board member currently trying to find a job, last I heard. | 23:13 |
| isforinsects | But how would the Free Culture Advertising turn into a paying job? | 23:15 |
| isforinsects | Other than starting up a NP first that is. | 23:15 |
| paulproteus | Well, you could maybe get a grant to run the non-profit. | 23:15 |
| paulproteus | Someone has to run the thing, and hopefully a grant would pay his salary or something. | 23:15 |
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| isforinsects | While I am on the lookout for a job in the Open Culture/Content field, I do not currently have the resolve/resources to do anything resembling the Open Content Advertising NP myself. So feel free to tell whoever you choose and suggest they do it | 23:21 |
| isforinsects | I will be doing the same, and you wont be stepping on my toes at all. | 23:21 |
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| paulproteus | isforinsects, Yes. I suggest that you email the cc-community list as soon as you can to get your idea out there. | 23:30 |
| isforinsects | Will do. I'll type something up so I can get the idea out of my head. | 23:31 |
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