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| rage | Hey, anyone alive? | 07:56 |
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| ScrambleKid | i am | 07:57 |
| rage | I'm hoping I can get some advice, I run a small electronics shop, I sell mp3 players ect, I want to put demo music on the display models. | 07:58 |
| rage | Songs under this license http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/3.0/ | 07:58 |
| rage | Would that be considered as commercial use? | 07:59 |
| ScrambleKid | is the music only on display models? you aren't putting it on devices you're selling? | 07:59 |
| rage | I do eventually sell the displays, but I can erase them before selling if thats required | 08:00 |
| ScrambleKid | I don't think there will be a problem then, but I could be wrong | 08:00 |
| rage | I think the spirit of the license is not to sell the music itself, not to restrict its use in a commercial situation. But I'm not 100% sure | 08:02 |
| rage | either | 08:02 |
| rage | Well, I do have a stock of songs under this license http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/ | 08:03 |
| rage | But there are some really good ones I like under the non-commercial license :-) | 08:03 |
| ScrambleKid | it would be safer to use attribution licensed work | 08:03 |
| rage | indeed | 08:03 |
| rage | I might email some of my favourite artists, see if they're willing to let me play it | 08:04 |
| ScrambleKid | but you aren't selling the music or including it in sold devices, so you should be safe even with the NC stuff | 08:04 |
| rage | yup, thats what I thought | 08:05 |
| rage | one of the things I love about creative commons licensed music is its good music that I dont have to pay our local recording industry a massive anual fee to play in a public envrioment | 08:05 |
| ScrambleKid | there is always much debate as to what constitutes commercial use | 08:18 |
| ScrambleKid | I guess some people might consider your use of those songs as commercial in nature because it is helping you to sell a product (potentially) | 08:19 |
| rage | Indeed, the wording was a bit grey | 08:19 |
| rage | well, grey at least for what I want it for :-) | 08:20 |
| ScrambleKid | so perhaps you would like to double check it with someone who knows more and also google around for examples of that kind of use. and, of course, contacting the artist is always the safest way to make sure you're in the green | 08:20 |
| rage | I know if I asked a legal expert the immediate answer would be no, they'de basically advocate avoiding any and all knife edges | 08:22 |
| ScrambleKid | yeah I'm not sure what the official line is on that nature of use | 08:22 |
| ScrambleKid | I need to run - good luck figuring it out ;) | 08:23 |
| rage | Thank for your insights anyway :-) | 08:23 |
| ScrambleKid | you're most welcome | 08:23 |
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| paulproteus | nathany, SYN | 12:29 |
| nathany | ACK | 12:29 |
| paulproteus | nathany, You wanted to meet at 3 iirc re: JsWidget. | 12:30 |
| paulproteus | Meanwhile I don't think I'll be in by 10 for our regular meeting. | 12:30 |
| paulproteus | Was the JsWidget meeting supposed to take its place? | 12:30 |
| paulproteus | And if not, then can we do our regular meeting around 10:30? | 12:30 |
| nathany | paulproteus: jswidget mtg is tomorrow, w/ML, JP re: getting partners involved | 12:31 |
| paulproteus | Oh, good thing I can read. | 12:31 |
| nathany | we can push our regular mtg to 1030, np | 12:31 |
| paulproteus | Sounds good, see you soonish. | 12:31 |
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| paulproteus | nathany, Whenever you want to chat, let's go. | 13:30 |
| nathany | paulproteus: ok, let me finish up a couple of emails here and then we'll sit down | 13:30 |
| * paulproteus nods | 13:30 | |
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| luisv | rejon, nathany: will you guys be available for lunch in SF Friday the 24th? | 14:04 |
| nathany | luisv: sure | 14:05 |
| luisv | cool | 14:05 |
| nathany | you going to be in town? | 14:05 |
| luisv | looks like it | 14:05 |
| nathany | great -- let us know and we'll block it off [note i can't speak for rejon... but i'm free] | 14:05 |
| luisv | OSI meeting on the 23rd, figure I'll stay out there an extra day and see what kind of trouble I can stir up ;) | 14:06 |
| nathany | <paulproteus> I'll be leaving SF around 11am on the 24th, so evening 23rd or breakfast 24th would work for me (-: | 14:06 |
| luisv | perhaps I will interrupt breakfast then ;) | 14:07 |
| luisv | anyway, I should be able to confirm in a few hours, I'll drop all of you an email and we'll see what transpires | 14:07 |
| nathany | great | 14:07 |
| paulproteus | nathany, Do we have Python code somewhere that reads licenses.xml and does something smart on a per-jurisdiction / per-license-version basis? | 14:50 |
| nathany | smart? | 14:51 |
| paulproteus | Like outputs "This jursisdiction supports version 2.5 of the licenses" | 14:51 |
| nathany | no | 14:51 |
| paulproteus | Okay. | 14:51 |
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| cchelpbot | NOTICE: SF.net SVN: cctools: [6646] jswidget/trunk/update_jurisdictions.py: Revision: 6646 http://cctools.svn.sourceforge.net/cctools/?rev=6646&view=rev Author: paulproteus Date: 2007-08-07 12:57:05 -0700 (Tue, 07 Aug 2007) Log Message: ----------- update jurisdiction code Modified Paths: -------------- jswidget/trunk/update_jurisdictions.py This was sent | 16:01 |
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| cchelpbot | NOTICE: SF.net SVN: cctools: [6647] jswidget/trunk: Revision: 6647 http://cctools.svn.sourceforge.net/cctools/?rev=6647&view=rev Author: paulproteus Date: 2007-08-07 13:00:19 -0700 (Tue, 07 Aug 2007) Log Message: ----------- plus this actually runs now Modified Paths: -------------- jswidget/trunk/js/cc-jurisdictions.js | 16:01 |
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| paulproteus | nathany, JsWidget now updates its jurisdiction knowledge from license_xsl/licenses.xml. | 16:02 |
| nathany | great | 16:03 |
| cchelpbot | NOTICE: SF.net SVN: cctools: [6648] jswidget/trunk/update_jurisdictions.py: Revision: 6648 http://cctools.svn.sourceforge.net/cctools/?rev=6648&view=rev Author: paulproteus Date: 2007-08-07 13:05:36 -0700 (Tue, 07 Aug 2007) Log Message: ----------- Create sampling attribute where appropriate Modified Paths: -------------- | 16:09 |
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| cchelpbot | NOTICE: SF.net SVN: cctools: [6649] jswidget/trunk/js/cc-jurisdictions.js: Revision: 6649 http://cctools.svn.sourceforge.net/cctools/?rev=6649&view=rev Author: paulproteus Date: 2007-08-07 13:06:01 -0700 (Tue, 07 Aug 2007) Log Message: ----------- and now generated the sampling attribute back (not that we really use it) Modified Paths: -------------- | 16:09 |
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| paulproteus | nathany, Let's say we've deployed JsWidget 1.0. It's reasonable to every night automatically regenerate the translations and the jurisdiction info as needed? | 16:10 |
| paulproteus | Or should such an update be hand-done? | 16:10 |
| nathany | probably reasonable to automate, although it'd be great if we could validate the generated code before moving it into place | 16:10 |
| nathany | are you setting up cron jobs now? | 16:11 |
| paulproteus | Not cron jobs, just documentation on if cron jobs should be set up. (-: | 16:11 |
| paulproteus | (And the code to make them actually work.) | 16:11 |
| nathany | [no point, since we'll hopefully be moving that to the new server next week] | 16:11 |
| nathany | right | 16:11 |
| nathany | great | 16:11 |
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