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| paulproteus | rejon, Hey, check out http://community.linux.com/article.pl?sid=07/01/12/2127230 if you have a sec. | 06:07 |
| rejon | ok | 06:07 |
| rejon | yeah, I need to publish my info about how to do these things | 06:08 |
| paulproteus | This app looks pretty reasonable. | 06:08 |
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| paulproteus | rejon, BTW, I meant the actual app it described, not the "Start a project HOWTO" it is. | 06:12 |
| rejon | ha | 06:12 |
| WillySilly | hi guys | 06:15 |
| rejon | hey | 06:15 |
| WillySilly | San Francisco has too many big hills | 06:16 |
| paulproteus | Aww, it's not that bad. | 06:17 |
| paulproteus | Besides, the bus system is great. | 06:17 |
| WillySilly | I was out there today | 06:17 |
| WillySilly | took 200 or so photos | 06:17 |
| paulproteus | rejon, What do you use as a cell phone? And what would you like in one? | 06:18 |
| paulproteus | Or others, for that matter. | 06:20 |
| paulproteus | I ask because I'm looking to switch from Verizon to e.g. Cingular, and I'm considering e.g. http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS2986976174.html and the Nokia Seris 60. | 06:21 |
| WillySilly | to cingular | 06:21 |
| WillySilly | are you crazy? | 06:21 |
| WillySilly | lol | 06:21 |
| paulproteus | Why? (-: | 06:21 |
| paulproteus | For one thing, Verizon wants to destroy the Internet. I resent that. | 06:21 |
| WillySilly | I use cingualr now, dropped calls like crazy | 06:21 |
| WillySilly | cingular* | 06:21 |
| paulproteus | For another, I resent that Verizon gives me no choice; their phones work only with CDMA, and I don't know if it's possible to switch from one CDMA provider to another. | 06:21 |
| paulproteus | With sim cards, it's as easy as pull and switch. | 06:22 |
| WillySilly | yeah | 06:23 |
| WillySilly | paulproteus: So if I remember correctly, you're moving sometime in the future? | 06:24 |
| paulproteus | Probably around July, yeah. | 06:25 |
| paulproteus | For some reason, I figured I'd finish up school first. | 06:25 |
| WillySilly | paulproteus: Good reason :P | 06:26 |
| WillySilly | Well, I'd probably look at how well the carrier is in the bay area. Stay away from Cingular | 06:26 |
| WillySilly | paulproteus: moving just in time for Linux World :P | 06:26 |
| paulproteus | Oh, that again! (-: | 06:27 |
| paulproteus | Huh, everyone at CC seems to have Cingular, and I don't hear them complain too much.... | 06:27 |
| WillySilly | paulproteus: Well, I live in the east bay, using cingular. I get a bunch of dropped calls | 06:27 |
| WillySilly | But I get a discount through Shell, so I'm not going to complain too much | 06:28 |
| paulproteus | Shell, the energy company, is your employer? | 06:29 |
| WillySilly | Yes | 06:29 |
| WillySilly | I work at one of their refinery's IT depts | 06:29 |
| paulproteus | Cool. | 06:29 |
| WillySilly | Yes, I love free gas cards | 06:30 |
| WillySilly | http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/45095527 | 06:31 |
| WillySilly | Thats where I work | 06:31 |
| * paulproteus always reads, "Devian Tart" | 06:31 | |
| WillySilly | lol, I read it as Devianart | 06:32 |
| paulproteus | Wow, that's a great picture. | 06:33 |
| WillySilly | Thanks | 06:33 |
| WillySilly | CC licensed too, of course | 06:33 |
| WillySilly | I wish they'd let you search the site by license | 06:34 |
| WillySilly | I have to wake up for photo class tomorrow | 06:46 |
| WillySilly | I had to pick an early class | 06:47 |
| rejon | paulproteus: check my blog | 06:49 |
| rejon | I have blogged about much | 06:49 |
| rejon | i switched to tmobile to get off the att machine | 06:49 |
| rejon | (illegal wiretapping supporters) | 06:49 |
| * paulproteus nods | 06:49 | |
| paulproteus | rejon, Want to share a family plan? (-: | 06:49 |
| rejon | I got a generic htc excalibur (tmobile dash) | 06:49 |
| rejon | ha | 06:49 |
| rejon | I got it with the internet plan | 06:49 |
| rejon | plus gets you all tmobile wifi hotspots, etc | 06:49 |
| rejon | i got because it though I would get annoyed and install linux on | 06:50 |
| rejon | I met with openmoko.com ppl. in taiwan though and would prefer to use that | 06:50 |
| WillySilly | My family is on the family under my name | 06:50 |
| paulproteus | rejon, Interesting. | 06:51 |
| paulproteus | My only qualm with openmoko is no wifi. | 06:51 |
| paulproteus | "But then again, it's a phone, not an everything." | 06:51 |
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| rejon | yah, wifi is useless currently on phones | 07:10 |
| rejon | IMO | 07:10 |
| paulproteus | But if it's also a PDA, it's very useful! | 07:11 |
| rejon | just an extra-whistle | 07:11 |
| paulproteus | Automatic schedule synchronization! | 07:11 |
| paulproteus | All sorts of custom IP-based apps! | 07:11 |
| paulproteus | Read my mail with alpine while on the go! | 07:11 |
| paulproteus | I was just running DSLinux on my Nintendo DS and playing "PINE the video game". | 07:11 |
| paulproteus | Up, down, right, a! | 07:11 |
| paulproteus | Then the battery died. | 07:12 |
| paulproteus | Well, after like six hours. | 07:12 |
| paulproteus | Maybe it was eight, I wasn't keeping good track. | 07:12 |
| paulproteus | A phone with wifi could download my gaim conversation history with someone while I talk to him! | 07:14 |
| paulproteus | Or could stalk his friends on Facebook and add them all to my phone's address book! | 07:15 |
| WillySilly | lol | 07:15 |
| paulproteus | I just wish OpenMoko had wifi. | 07:22 |
| paulproteus | Then it'd be a no-brainer. | 07:22 |
| paulproteus | I'm in love with the Internet Protocol. | 07:22 |
| rejon | 350 for an open source cellphone | 07:25 |
| rejon | plus, you can use a usb/wifi option | 07:25 |
| paulproteus | But its USB isn't powered. | 07:25 |
| rejon | ok, sdcard-based wifi | 07:26 |
| paulproteus | It only has micro SD, I think, not "full" SD. | 07:26 |
| rejon | hmmm | 07:26 |
| paulproteus | As far as I can tell from http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/announce/2007-January/000000.html , it also has no camera. | 07:26 |
| paulproteus | That's probably fine with me, but something worth considering. | 07:26 |
| rejon | the mockup they let me check out was pretty cool | 07:26 |
| rejon | yah, wifi doesn't matter | 07:26 |
| rejon | trust me, i never use it | 07:27 |
| rejon | wifi drains batteries too much | 07:27 |
| paulproteus | But, but... | 07:28 |
| paulproteus | The network of networks! | 07:28 |
| paulproteus | Automatic synchronization! | 07:28 |
| rejon | yah, they need someone to guide their opensource | 07:29 |
| rejon | they asked me for recommendation of someone to hire | 07:29 |
| rejon | any suggestions? | 07:29 |
| paulproteus | ! (-: | 07:29 |
| paulproteus | "Guide their open source" - what does that mean? | 07:29 |
| WillySilly | also, the microsd slot is under the battery | 07:29 |
| paulproteus | Apparently I can pay the cell network for IP connectivity for it, so I guess that'll have to do "for now". | 07:30 |
| paulproteus | God, I want one so bad. | 07:30 |
| paulproteus | I'll pay dollars for this. | 07:30 |
| WillySilly | me too | 07:30 |
| WillySilly | MArch 11th | 07:31 |
| paulproteus | How will I LIVE until then? | 07:31 |
| WillySilly | lol | 07:31 |
| paulproteus | I keep paging through http://www.linuxdevices.com/files/article072/ .... | 07:31 |
| WillySilly | you'll find a way | 07:31 |
| rejon | guide their open source means do what I do, but for them ;) | 07:32 |
| rejon | hahaha | 07:32 |
| paulproteus | I hope there are enough by then for me to get one. | 07:32 |
| rejon | yah, it is a major taiwanese oem manufacturer, so they know what they are doign | 07:32 |
| paulproteus | Indeed, they were the manufacturer of my first motherboard. | 07:33 |
| paulproteus | The horrid Windows drivers for the VIA chipset in that board are one of the key reasons I tried Linux, actually. | 07:33 |
| paulproteus | Windows 98 crashing every 20 minutes wasn't my idea of a good time. | 07:33 |
| paulproteus | Once in Peanut Linux, I read the GNU Manifesto in Emacs and was sold. | 07:34 |
| paulproteus | I'm sending a link to this presentation to a friend who, unlike me, isn't offended by the closedness of the iPhone. | 07:34 |
| paulproteus | The hard part is selling this thing to people who want camera phones. | 07:34 |
| paulproteus | http://planet.openmoko.org/ has a pretty funny post, "I need a break: Debugging a driver for non-existent hardware" | 07:37 |
| paulproteus | rejon, Do you use IP connectivity on your phone, even though it's not wifi? | 07:38 |
| rejon | y | 07:40 |
| rejon | but it runs windowsmobile, which sux | 07:40 |
| paulproteus | Okay, that's a good sign (re: IP connectivity). | 07:40 |
| paulproteus | Well, it saves either of us money for us to share a T-Mobile family plan and get lots of data, let's talk about that sometime. | 07:41 |
| paulproteus | Do you get unlimited cell data? How much does it cost you? | 07:43 |
| paulproteus | (And how's voice quality / dropped calls / etc?) | 07:43 |
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| rejon | pretty good...yes, unlimited cell data for $20/month | 07:54 |
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| paulproteus | Okay, fine, you win. I'll pay for my IP connectivity. | 08:09 |
| * paulproteus adds his own questions and answers to http://www.linuxtogo.org/gowiki/OpenMoko/QuestionsAndAnswers#preview | 08:31 | |
| rejon | paulproteus: yah, we could figure out family plan | 08:36 |
| rejon | need to hadd my gf too | 08:36 |
| paulproteus | Cool. (-: | 08:36 |
| paulproteus | Oh, I keep forgetting, I need to get some sort VoIP call forwarding setup in front of my cell number so when I change it it doesn't matter. | 08:37 |
| paulproteus | s/sort /sort of / | 08:37 |
| paulproteus | For reference, rejon, my Verizon contract ends in February, and I think I'll be actually moving to SF in early July. | 08:38 |
| paulproteus | In general, I don't like being too locked-in with cell contracts, but if it's cheap and good then I could consider it. | 08:39 |
| paulproteus | (e.g., I prefer 1yr to 2yrs. I'd prefer prepaid if prepaid customers weren't such second-class citizens) | 08:39 |
| paulproteus | Obviously, I'd love to be on something with sim cards by the time openmoko releases in March. (-: | 08:40 |
| rejon | yah, sure... all is well | 08:47 |
| paulproteus | http://www.getafirstlife.com/ | 09:02 |
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| paulproteus | Apparently it earned a "proceed and permitted" letter from Linden Labs: http://www.darrenbarefoot.com/archives/2007/01/i-got-a-proceed-and-permitted-letter-from-linden-labs.html | 09:09 |
| rejon | cool | 09:09 |
| rejon | that is pretty progressive of SL | 09:10 |
| paulproteus | And I *love* getafirstlife.com. (-: | 09:10 |
| paulproteus | Man, if I'm not careful, the sun will come up before I get to sleep. | 09:11 |
| paulproteus | That will make my plans to eat lunch with someone even more complicated. | 09:11 |
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| rejon | hahahahahahahahahaahaha http://sethgodin.typepad.com/seths_blog/2007/01/how_to_be_cory_.html | 17:48 |
| bovinity | hey jon | 17:54 |
| bovinity | your mobile email up to date now? | 17:55 |
| bovinity | gah, gotta love firefox screwing itself. | 17:56 |
| rejon | yah, total crap | 17:57 |
| rejon | all is well now | 17:57 |
| bovinity | heh | 17:57 |
| bovinity | sweet | 17:57 |
| rejon | its funny to see the ole inkscape design get reused: http://www.somasuite.org/about.php | 17:59 |
| rejon | what: http://cvs.cinelerra.org/ | 18:01 |
| bovinity | did you see the posts about ubuntu-studio? | 18:01 |
| rejon | just following from: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/ToPackage | 18:01 |
| rejon | yah | 18:01 |
| bovinity | hah | 18:01 |
| bovinity | ;) | 18:01 |
| bovinity | woah, holy generic web design batman | 18:02 |
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| WillySilly2 | http://www.mukund.org/blog/127 | 18:49 |
| bovinity | http://1984comic.com/ | 19:00 |
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| WillySilly2 | Oh, summer internship | 21:19 |
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