Monday, 2007-01-22

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paulproteusrejon, Hey, check out http://community.linux.com/article.pl?sid=07/01/12/2127230 if you have a sec.06:07
rejonok06:07
rejonyeah, I need to publish my info about how to do these things06:08
paulproteusThis app looks pretty reasonable.06:08
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paulproteusrejon, BTW, I meant the actual app it described, not the "Start a project HOWTO" it is.06:12
rejonha06:12
WillySillyhi guys06:15
rejonhey06:15
WillySillySan Francisco has too many big hills06:16
paulproteusAww, it's not that bad.06:17
paulproteusBesides, the bus system is great.06:17
WillySillyI was out there today06:17
WillySillytook 200 or so photos06:17
paulproteusrejon, What do you use as a cell phone?  And what would you like in one?06:18
paulproteusOr others, for that matter.06:20
paulproteusI ask because I'm looking to switch from Verizon to e.g. Cingular, and I'm considering e.g. http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS2986976174.html and the Nokia Seris 60.06:21
WillySillyto cingular06:21
WillySillyare you crazy?06:21
WillySillylol06:21
paulproteusWhy? (-:06:21
paulproteusFor one thing, Verizon wants to destroy the Internet.  I resent that.06:21
WillySillyI use cingualr now, dropped calls like crazy06:21
WillySillycingular*06:21
paulproteusFor another, I resent that Verizon gives me no choice; their phones work only with CDMA, and I don't know if it's possible to switch from one CDMA provider to another.06:21
paulproteusWith sim cards, it's as easy as pull and switch.06:22
WillySillyyeah06:23
WillySillypaulproteus: So if I remember correctly, you're moving sometime in the future?06:24
paulproteusProbably around July, yeah.06:25
paulproteusFor some reason, I figured I'd finish up school first.06:25
WillySillypaulproteus: Good reason :P06:26
WillySillyWell, I'd probably look at how well the carrier is in the bay area. Stay away from Cingular06:26
WillySillypaulproteus: moving just in time for Linux World :P06:26
paulproteusOh, that again! (-:06:27
paulproteusHuh, everyone at CC seems to have Cingular, and I don't hear them complain too much....06:27
WillySillypaulproteus: Well, I live in the east bay, using cingular. I get a bunch of dropped calls06:27
WillySillyBut I get a discount through Shell, so I'm not going to complain too much06:28
paulproteusShell, the energy company, is your employer?06:29
WillySillyYes06:29
WillySillyI work at one of their refinery's IT depts06:29
paulproteusCool.06:29
WillySillyYes, I love free gas cards06:30
WillySillyhttp://www.deviantart.com/deviation/4509552706:31
WillySillyThats where I work06:31
* paulproteus always reads, "Devian Tart"06:31
WillySillylol, I read it as Devianart06:32
paulproteusWow, that's a great picture.06:33
WillySillyThanks06:33
WillySillyCC licensed too, of course06:33
WillySillyI wish they'd let you search the site by license06:34
WillySillyI have to wake up for photo class tomorrow06:46
WillySillyI had to pick an early class06:47
rejonpaulproteus: check my blog06:49
rejonI have blogged about much06:49
rejoni switched to tmobile to get off the att machine06:49
rejon(illegal wiretapping supporters)06:49
* paulproteus nods06:49
paulproteusrejon, Want to share a family plan? (-:06:49
rejonI got a generic htc excalibur (tmobile dash)06:49
rejonha06:49
rejonI got it with the internet plan06:49
rejonplus gets you all tmobile wifi hotspots, etc06:49
rejoni got because it though I would get annoyed and install linux on06:50
rejonI met with openmoko.com ppl. in taiwan though and would prefer to use that06:50
WillySillyMy family is on the family under my name06:50
paulproteusrejon, Interesting.06:51
paulproteusMy only qualm with openmoko is no wifi.06:51
paulproteus"But then again, it's a phone, not an everything."06:51
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rejonyah, wifi is useless currently on phones07:10
rejonIMO07:10
paulproteusBut if it's also a PDA, it's very useful!07:11
rejonjust an extra-whistle07:11
paulproteusAutomatic schedule synchronization!07:11
paulproteusAll sorts of custom IP-based apps!07:11
paulproteusRead my mail with alpine while on the go!07:11
paulproteusI was just running DSLinux on my Nintendo DS and playing "PINE the video game".07:11
paulproteusUp, down, right, a!07:11
paulproteusThen the battery died.07:12
paulproteusWell, after like six hours.07:12
paulproteusMaybe it was eight, I wasn't keeping good track.07:12
paulproteusA phone with wifi could download my gaim conversation history with someone while I talk to him!07:14
paulproteusOr could stalk his friends on Facebook and add them all to my phone's address book!07:15
WillySillylol07:15
paulproteusI just wish OpenMoko had wifi.07:22
paulproteusThen it'd be a no-brainer.07:22
paulproteusI'm in love with the Internet Protocol.07:22
rejon350 for an open source cellphone07:25
rejonplus, you can use a usb/wifi option07:25
paulproteusBut its USB isn't powered.07:25
rejonok, sdcard-based wifi07:26
paulproteusIt only has micro SD, I think, not "full" SD.07:26
rejonhmmm07:26
paulproteusAs far as I can tell from http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/announce/2007-January/000000.html , it also has no camera.07:26
paulproteusThat's probably fine with me, but something worth considering.07:26
rejonthe mockup they let me check out was pretty cool07:26
rejonyah, wifi doesn't matter07:26
rejontrust me, i never use it07:27
rejonwifi drains batteries too much07:27
paulproteusBut, but...07:28
paulproteusThe network of networks!07:28
paulproteusAutomatic synchronization!07:28
rejonyah, they need someone to guide their opensource07:29
rejonthey asked me for recommendation of someone to hire07:29
rejonany suggestions?07:29
paulproteus! (-:07:29
paulproteus"Guide their open source" - what does that mean?07:29
WillySillyalso, the microsd slot is under the battery07:29
paulproteusApparently I can pay the cell network for IP connectivity for it, so I guess that'll have to do "for now".07:30
paulproteusGod, I want one so bad.07:30
paulproteusI'll pay dollars for this.07:30
WillySillyme too07:30
WillySillyMArch 11th07:31
paulproteusHow will I LIVE until then?07:31
WillySillylol07:31
paulproteusI keep paging through http://www.linuxdevices.com/files/article072/ ....07:31
WillySillyyou'll find a way07:31
rejonguide their open source means do what I do, but for them ;)07:32
rejonhahaha07:32
paulproteusI hope there are enough by then for me to get one.07:32
rejonyah, it is a major taiwanese oem manufacturer, so they know what they are doign07:32
paulproteusIndeed, they were the manufacturer of my first motherboard.07:33
paulproteusThe horrid Windows drivers for the VIA chipset in that board are one of the key reasons I tried Linux, actually.07:33
paulproteusWindows 98 crashing every 20 minutes wasn't my idea of a good time.07:33
paulproteusOnce in Peanut Linux, I read the GNU Manifesto in Emacs and was sold.07:34
paulproteusI'm sending a link to this presentation to a friend who, unlike me, isn't offended by the closedness of the iPhone.07:34
paulproteusThe hard part is selling this thing to people who want camera phones.07:34
paulproteushttp://planet.openmoko.org/ has a pretty funny post, "I need a break: Debugging a driver for non-existent hardware"07:37
paulproteusrejon, Do you use IP connectivity on your phone, even though it's not wifi?07:38
rejony07:40
rejonbut it runs windowsmobile, which sux07:40
paulproteusOkay, that's a good sign (re: IP connectivity).07:40
paulproteusWell, it saves either of us money for us to share a T-Mobile family plan and get lots of data, let's talk about that sometime.07:41
paulproteusDo you get unlimited cell data?  How much does it cost you?07:43
paulproteus(And how's voice quality / dropped calls / etc?)07:43
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rejonpretty good...yes, unlimited cell data for $20/month07:54
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paulproteusOkay, fine, you win.  I'll pay for my IP connectivity.08:09
* paulproteus adds his own questions and answers to http://www.linuxtogo.org/gowiki/OpenMoko/QuestionsAndAnswers#preview08:31
rejonpaulproteus: yah, we could figure out family plan08:36
rejonneed to hadd my gf too08:36
paulproteusCool. (-:08:36
paulproteusOh, I keep forgetting, I need to get some sort VoIP call forwarding setup in front of my cell number so when I change it it doesn't matter.08:37
paulproteuss/sort /sort of /08:37
paulproteusFor reference, rejon, my Verizon contract ends in February, and I think I'll be actually moving to SF in early July.08:38
paulproteusIn general, I don't like being too locked-in with cell contracts, but if it's cheap and good then I could consider it.08:39
paulproteus(e.g., I prefer 1yr to 2yrs.  I'd prefer prepaid if prepaid customers weren't such second-class citizens)08:39
paulproteusObviously, I'd love to be on something with sim cards by the time openmoko releases in March. (-:08:40
rejonyah, sure... all is well08:47
paulproteushttp://www.getafirstlife.com/09:02
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paulproteusApparently it earned a "proceed and permitted" letter from Linden Labs: http://www.darrenbarefoot.com/archives/2007/01/i-got-a-proceed-and-permitted-letter-from-linden-labs.html09:09
rejoncool09:09
rejonthat is pretty progressive of SL09:10
paulproteusAnd I *love* getafirstlife.com. (-:09:10
paulproteusMan, if I'm not careful, the sun will come up before I get to sleep.09:11
paulproteusThat will make my plans to eat lunch with someone even more complicated.09:11
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rejonhahahahahahahahahaahaha http://sethgodin.typepad.com/seths_blog/2007/01/how_to_be_cory_.html17:48
bovinityhey jon17:54
bovinityyour mobile email up to date now?17:55
bovinitygah, gotta love firefox screwing itself.17:56
rejonyah, total crap17:57
rejonall is well now17:57
bovinityheh17:57
bovinitysweet17:57
rejonits funny to see the ole inkscape design get reused: http://www.somasuite.org/about.php17:59
rejonwhat: http://cvs.cinelerra.org/18:01
bovinitydid you see the posts about ubuntu-studio?18:01
rejonjust following from: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/ToPackage18:01
rejonyah18:01
bovinityhah18:01
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bovinitywoah, holy generic web design batman18:02
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rejonhttp://www.getafirstlife.com/18:10
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WillySilly2http://www.mukund.org/blog/12718:49
bovinityhttp://1984comic.com/19:00
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WillySilly2Oh, summer internship21:19
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