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rejon | hi cchelpbot | 00:40 |
rejon | thx for re-joning us | 00:40 |
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mlinksva | rejon, was re-"jon"ing intentional? | 00:43 |
rejon | oops | 00:43 |
rejon | ;) | 00:43 |
rejon | that's where my nick came from btw | 00:43 |
rejon | ok dudes, all the cchost dev. cronjobs are back online | 00:51 |
paulproteus | Sweet. | 00:51 |
paulproteus | I always loved cron jobs. | 00:51 |
rejon | including development tarballs, cchelpbot and chat logs | 00:51 |
paulproteus | Who could ask for anything more? | 00:52 |
mlinksva | i want bible truth | 00:56 |
paulproteus | Is that like what RMS has with the Church of Emacs? | 01:02 |
mlinksva | no | 01:03 |
mlinksva | rms is too singular and makes too much sense | 01:04 |
mlinksva | need some mystery and faith | 01:04 |
mlinksva | or at least smoke and mirrors | 01:04 |
mlinksva | maybe a cron job that changes cron would get us partway there | 01:05 |
mlinksva | recronbinant | 01:05 |
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paulproteus | Thanks, cchelpbot! | 01:12 |
rejon | look inside to see what I started | 01:12 |
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ACSpike | heh | 01:22 |
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rejon | see you all back at the ranch... | 01:42 |
Luke | when looking at a website with muliple verification metadata tags, how should I relate the tags to the media (mp3s)? song name? | 01:55 |
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rejon | hi jedi | 05:29 |
tannewt | hi rejon | 05:29 |
rejon | wrd | 05:29 |
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Jedi_ | rejon: yo Jon | 08:42 |
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Jedi_ | wow | 11:37 |
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kinslayer | hi | 11:40 |
kinslayer | what kind of freaks u are? | 11:41 |
kinslayer | <-horrible mage | 11:42 |
kinslayer | k...u are very aktiv guys... | 11:45 |
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rejon | hi all | 16:51 |
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paulproteus | Hi all. | 17:01 |
paulproteus | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4849402.stm | 17:15 |
paulproteus | It's amazing how many articles can get the details of the organizations involved in CC/iCommons/etc. wrong. | 17:16 |
paulproteus | " | 17:16 |
paulproteus | But a Creative Commons "iCommons" licence gets around such problems. " | 17:16 |
rejon | jedi_: you have jedi.org!!! whoa | 17:30 |
paulproteus | Ironic, isn't it? The owner of jedi.org can't even get "jedi" on freenode? | 17:32 |
rejon | we met jedi in brazil | 17:33 |
paulproteus | I met him in #cc. | 17:33 |
paulproteus | I think the optical drive in this machine just spun up to load a GIF renderer for Firefox. | 17:35 |
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rejon | http://wiki.creativecommons.org/OpenOfficeOrg_Addin | 18:07 |
bovinity | hrm, if OO.o had better svg support it would be nice to optionally include either licence icons, or buttons for embedding on pages. | 18:09 |
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mlinksva | fyi nathan asked on OO.o http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=dev&msgNo=17224 | 18:13 |
rejon | i have tried to meet OO.o developers so many times...hard to crack | 18:14 |
rejon | 2 year release cycle... | 18:15 |
rejon | that is great he emailed them...that should put some fire under the add-in | 18:15 |
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paulproteus | Anyone who talks about the RDC format for CC data is making typos about RDF, right? | 18:40 |
mlinksva | presumably | 18:42 |
paulproteus | Just wanted to make sure there wasn't some secret sauce I didn't know about. | 18:42 |
paulproteus | rejon, BTW, I'm pretty sure freeculture.org will get a ccHost install within the next week or so. | 18:50 |
rejon | great...just make sure you all have ppl. and time for it :) | 18:51 |
rejon | would be great to have and also, great to get some new blood into dev... | 18:51 |
e1presidente | rejon: I know CChost has a way to communicate with other CChost installs to allow cross-site sampling, but does it also have integrated attribution for other large CC-oriented content sites (i.e. flickr)? | 18:52 |
rejon | if they use the sample pool API | 18:54 |
rejon | it would be great for this to happen | 18:55 |
rejon | one could probably make an intermediate web mashup using their api to connect up with the sample pool API | 18:55 |
paulproteus | "Yay." | 18:55 |
e1presidente | Awesome | 18:56 |
rejon | would you like to do this? | 18:56 |
e1presidente | I honestly don't think I have the requisite development experience | 18:57 |
bovinity | if done properly, that would be an awesome addition | 18:57 |
rejon | baiscally, it would just be a web wrapper | 18:57 |
* rejon is sounding jargon-y | 18:58 | |
bovinity | web mashup 2.0 w/ ajax on rails. | 18:59 |
rejon | exactly | 19:00 |
e1presidente | SOMEBODY CALL A VC! | 19:01 |
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e1presidente | rejon: rather than do it as a web wrapper with flickr, since Yahoo is already fairly supportive of CC, think there's a chance that they would implement the pool API within the service itself? | 19:04 |
e1presidente | or rather, be willing to implement the API | 19:05 |
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paulproteus | Man, I totally have the experience to do it, I just hate web applications. | 19:43 |
paulproteus | e1presidente, That's not a bad idea. | 19:46 |
paulproteus | mlinksva, Would you be willing to ask them at some point? | 19:46 |
mlinksva | paulproteus, not sure who them is or what they should be asked | 19:49 |
paulproteus | mlinksva, It'd be swell if Flickr supported the ccHost-supported content pool API. | 19:49 |
paulproteus | sample pool, rather. | 19:49 |
paulproteus | Would you be willing to ask Yahoo/Flickr to do that? | 19:50 |
nathany_ | although renaming it to "content pool" if you're going to deal with more than audio might not be a bad idea | 19:50 |
* paulproteus chuckles | 19:50 | |
mlinksva | i see, yes should have a metting with Y! later this month i'll add that to the wishlist for dicsussion | 19:50 |
paulproteus | Yippee. | 19:50 |
paulproteus | lol - "/ubeensampled" is in the API. | 19:56 |
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paulproteus | rejon, BTW, you should learn about "svn export". | 20:00 |
rejon | what | 20:01 |
rejon | i know about svn export | 20:01 |
rejon | svn help export yo | 20:01 |
paulproteus | The cchost-2.0.1 has lots of dot-svn in it. | 20:02 |
rejon | nathany_: i agree with you...there is much that needs to be de-audio-ified about ccHost | 20:02 |
rejon | nathan_: i think the idea of content pool is better as well...for the generalized usage | 20:03 |
paulproteus | I think it doesn't make a difference if internal stuff like API names sounds too audioified. | 20:03 |
rejon | paulproteus: why don't you add the svn export to the Makefile for cchost | 20:03 |
rejon | step it up | 20:03 |
nathany_ | paulproteus: i disagree -- if you're trying to convince people your API is important enough to be implemented, it should make sense | 20:04 |
paulproteus | nathany_, Okay, fine. (-: | 20:04 |
nathany_ | lol | 20:04 |
nathany_ | and really, APIs are much more visible these days than they may have been in the past | 20:04 |
rejon | yes, the general name is important | 20:04 |
nathany_ | it's the age of the mash-up, baby | 20:04 |
rejon | api on t-shirts and the like | 20:04 |
nathany_ | for sure | 20:05 |
paulproteus | rejon, They were doing that as early as the DeCSS shirts. | 20:05 |
rejon | ... | 20:05 |
paulproteus | mlinksva, Mind if I make myself a $HOME on apps? | 20:06 |
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rejon | probably should normalize the lang in the api as well b4 GM | 20:07 |
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paulproteus | rejon, It doesn't appear to work quite right on FreeCulture.org's PHP5: "Fatal error: Class 'CCUser' not found in /home/freecult/public_html/host/cclib/cc-table.php on line 32" | 20:17 |
paulproteus | Oh, well, that's enough FC.o for now. | 20:18 |
mlinksva | paulproteus, go for it. i'm not too good at using the right switches, must've forgotten -d when I added you. | 20:19 |
paulproteus | mlinksva, On Debian, I urge you to use the "adduser" command. | 20:19 |
paulproteus | It's an interactive frontend to "useradd", making life much easier. | 20:19 |
paulproteus | Actually, it has its own config file, so maybe it's not a frontend but a reimplementation. | 20:20 |
rejon | did you guys see this: http://rss.slashdot.org/slashdot/eqWf?m=6420 | 20:22 |
rejon | microsoft sponsoring ODF converter for MS XML | 20:23 |
paulproteus | Yeah, I did see that. | 20:23 |
Luke | when verifying a license claim, what field should I match an mp3 to rdf metadata with if there are more than one metadata claims | 20:25 |
rejon | its xsl ... then they made some C# gui stuff for it | 20:33 |
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mlinksva | Luke sha1 of the mp3 should match the subject of a statement or the object of a statement with dc:identifier predicate | 20:42 |
mlinksva | paulproteus, you're right, i'll use adduser from now on. | 20:50 |
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Luke | mlinksva: is the mp3 verification algorithm layed out in any more detail somewhere? I'm looking for specifications? | 21:31 |
mlinksva | Luke, http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Nonweb_Tagging | 21:40 |
mlinksva | also see ccLookup code :) | 21:40 |
Luke | the lookup code does things like looking for "licensed to the public under " | 21:43 |
paulproteus | Tee-hee. | 21:43 |
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Luke | and you told me to just look at the link before verify at | 21:44 |
Luke | slight differences but still... they exist and I dont know which to follow | 21:44 |
mlinksva | ccLookup is too conservaitve then | 21:47 |
Luke | meaning that looking for "licensed to the public under " is more exact? | 21:48 |
mlinksva | right, don't worry about the presence of "licensed to the public under" as discussed yesterday | 21:53 |
Luke | slright sounds good | 21:54 |
Luke | alright* | 21:55 |
Luke | if the sha1 is not available in the rdf about I should default to some other tag? | 22:10 |
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rejon | hey bruno | 23:00 |
mlinksva | paulproteus, sure | 23:02 |
bdilly | hi jon | 23:02 |
bdilly | how are you? | 23:02 |
rejon | good... | 23:03 |
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paulproteus | mlinksva, Is "apps.creativecommons.org" still supposed to redirect? | 23:05 |
mlinksva | not sure what you mean. there shouldn't be any services actually using that domain | 23:08 |
mlinksva | if you mean the default vhost on apps should change from printing out a "back soon" msg, yes, i guess it could redirect to the wiki or something | 23:10 |
mlinksva | or just to cc.org | 23:10 |
* paulproteus makes it go to cc.org, still with a temporary redirect | 23:10 | |
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