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| Bog_ | hello | 01:27 |
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| rejon | hi Bog_ | 01:28 |
| Bog_ | hi rejon | 01:28 |
| Bog_ | anyone explain how cc is extended? | 01:29 |
| Bog_ | I want to extend CC to describe other characteristics of a license | 01:39 |
| Bog_ | any suggestions? | 01:43 |
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| Bog_ | re hi | 02:01 |
| rejon | one sec | 02:03 |
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| rejon | Unfortunately, I don't know much about the expanding license you ask about | 02:19 |
| rejon | Have you emailed the cc-devel@lists.ibiblio.org mailing list about this? | 02:20 |
| Bog_ | oh well | 02:20 |
| Bog_ | I emailed the cc-license list | 02:20 |
| rejon | email the dev. list because you are asking a tech. question | 02:20 |
| rejon | that is probably the best | 02:20 |
| Bog_ | well, I dont think they have the characteristic currently described | 02:20 |
| Bog_ | but let me get on the dev list | 02:21 |
| rejon | cool | 02:28 |
| Bog_ | done | 02:29 |
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| rejon | http://metavid.ucsc.edu | 06:52 |
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| isydor | is there any existing system that would centralize the gathering of money from radios/tvs/bars/.. for CCed songs ? | 08:54 |
| isydor | is it compatible with the licence itself to allow commercial use on a large scale and without signing for each broadcaster ? | 09:01 |
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| tannewt | isydor, Creative Commons is a _set_ of licenses | 09:02 |
| aphid | afaik, as long as they aren't licensed cc-nc.. and if they're 'by' then attribution would have to be given | 09:03 |
| tannewt | isydor, different licenses need to be treated differently | 09:03 |
| bkhl | All CC licenses are "by" now. | 09:03 |
| tannewt | bkhl, right | 09:03 |
| isydor | tannewt: ok, for cc-nc then | 09:04 |
| isydor | ? | 09:04 |
| tannewt | isydor, for nc works commercial use is outside the scope of the license | 09:05 |
| tannewt | isydor, treat it as full copyright then | 09:05 |
| bkhl | If you want to do that, why not go via your regional organisation that does that kind of collection? | 09:05 |
| isydor | so I can do exactly what I want ? | 09:05 |
| tannewt | isydor, where are you located? | 09:06 |
| bkhl | As long as they allow you to also distribute the works under CC on the side you should be fine. | 09:06 |
| isydor | tannewt: in france | 09:06 |
| bkhl | (Though I know some of those don't allow that) | 09:06 |
| * tannewt is no lawyer (yet) | 09:06 | |
| isydor | bkhl: typically in france the SACEM doesn't | 09:06 |
| isydor | bkhl: and I'm wondering if there is any existing outside france | 09:07 |
| bkhl | Most countries have organisations like that, more or less bad. | 09:07 |
| bkhl | But yeah, I've heard the one in France is particularly evil. | 09:07 |
| isydor | that would do that collecting stuff and accepting CC-NC licences | 09:07 |
| isydor | bkhl: yeah | 09:07 |
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| bkhl | How could it be a NC license when you collect money for it? | 09:08 |
| isydor | bkhl: that's the key :) | 09:08 |
| bkhl | What you would have is a separate license for commercial use, while also distributing it under CC-NC in other forums. | 09:08 |
| isydor | bkhl: if there is no nc, then the radio doesn't have to pay legally | 09:08 |
| bkhl | What that separate license is wouldn't matter. | 09:08 |
| bkhl | isydor: exactly. | 09:09 |
| bkhl | So if you want it like that, you would have to make your own license for the commercial distribution. | 09:09 |
| bkhl | Which could be exactly the license that organisations like SACEM uses. | 09:10 |
| bkhl | The only problem is when that organisation wants exclusive rights for the work. | 09:10 |
| isydor | yep | 09:10 |
| isydor | but then the radio could say : "it's not nc" | 09:10 |
| aphid | didn't SACEM go after a filmmaker for having someone whistle the internationale in his film? [looks it up] no i guess that was the SDRM | 09:10 |
| isydor | aphid: yep | 09:11 |
| bkhl | So what you want, I gather, is an organisation like that, but that allows artists to also distribute their works with their own license in other channels. | 09:11 |
| isydor | aphid: haha | 09:11 |
| tannewt | night all | 09:11 |
| isydor | bkhl: sort of - I would have under an nc licence to protect me from nasty radios | 09:11 |
| isydor | tannewt: night | 09:11 |
| aphid | the "international" will be public domain in 2014. | 09:12 |
| isydor | s/have/add | 09:12 |
| bkhl | isydor: exactly, that would be the other channel. | 09:12 |
| bkhl | But, as I said, the collecting organisation would have to use their own license, which involves paying for each use. | 09:12 |
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| aphid | has there been any clarification about what is/isn't "commercial use"? | 09:12 |
| bkhl | Clarification as opposed to what? | 09:13 |
| bkhl | "You may not exercise any of the rights granted to You in Section 3 | 09:14 |
| bkhl | above in any manner that is primarily intended for or directed toward | 09:14 |
| bkhl | commercial advantage or private monetary compensation" | 09:14 |
| isydor | bkhl: ok, I understand. have you heard of such organisation ? | 09:14 |
| bkhl | That's pretty clear I think. | 09:14 |
| bkhl | isydor: I know some local organisations similar to SACEM doesn't require artists to give up their own distribution rights. With those you could do it right away. | 09:15 |
| bkhl | isydor: but in France you would have to start your own, I believe. | 09:15 |
| isydor | bkhl: thanks | 09:15 |
| bkhl | It would be theoretically possible to do it at an international scale, since copyright law is fairly standardised. | 09:15 |
| bkhl | But the collecting and the legal work would be quite overwhelming, I think. | 09:16 |
| isydor | yeop :) | 09:16 |
| bkhl | Maybe it would make sense to start a competing organisation for that with an EU scope. | 09:16 |
| aphid | bkhl: well, barring educational fair use exceptions for a sec, if students are paying a few thousand dollars to take a class in which CC-NC content is shown.. is it commercial? ... or recouping distribution costs (i'm selling the bottle, not the wine) | 09:17 |
| bkhl | My guess would be that it would depend on the primary purpose of the fee. | 09:18 |
| bkhl | If it's done within a company, to make a profit, I would call it commercial use. | 09:18 |
| bkhl | If on the other hand the fee is just for covering whatever costs the institution has, I think they would be in the clear. | 09:19 |
| aphid | i see | 09:20 |
| isydor | bkhl: I had a question on the french CC wiki ;) | 09:22 |
| isydor | arg s/had/just add | 09:23 |
| bkhl | I don't read French. | 09:23 |
| isydor | bkhl: for your information only, if other french people are comming | 09:23 |
| isydor | http://fr.creativecommons.org/wiki/index.php/Gestioncollective | 09:24 |
| isydor | -m | 09:24 |
| bkhl | OK. | 09:24 |
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| isydor | bkhl: could you give me a link to such an local organization please ? | 09:30 |
| bkhl | isydor: I can't recall any that doesn't have evil copyright reservation rules. | 09:32 |
| bkhl | In any case I don't think they generally take members from abroad. | 09:32 |
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| isydor | bkhl: anyway thanks again :) | 09:35 |
| bkhl | No problem. | 09:35 |
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| jugglinx | sylvinus, http://artecomparte.com | 16:48 |
| jugglinx | :-D | 16:48 |
| sylvinus | I love wordpress :) | 16:58 |
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| sylvinus | you should put the questions in bold | 16:59 |
| sylvinus | http://artecomparte.com/publico | 16:59 |
| jugglinx | true... isn t ready for the public actually but i just can t wait to show u :-) | 17:01 |
| jugglinx | i have tons of questions for u, but i haven t time now... im getting out now... | 17:03 |
| sylvinus | ok ;) | 17:03 |
| sylvinus | please send them by mail | 17:03 |
| jugglinx | can u seed triole? it happens to me twice that there s no seed :-( | 17:04 |
| jugglinx | ok, thanks :-D | 17:04 |
| sylvinus | jugglinx, our seeds are messy right now, sorry... we're just recovering from server crashes | 17:05 |
| sylvinus | I don't know how we managed to get the website up 99.99% with 3 hard drive failures ;) | 17:06 |
| sylvinus | in a week | 17:06 |
| jugglinx | ahh, ok | 17:07 |
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| flyingfrog | hallo there! | 17:56 |
| flyingfrog | I need some graphics for creative commons content | 17:56 |
| flyingfrog | banners gifs etc... | 17:56 |
| Jedi_ | http://creativecommons.org/presskit ? | 17:57 |
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| flyingfrog | great :) thanx | 17:58 |
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| flyingfrog | need cc graphics in png format | 18:23 |
| flyingfrog | please | 18:23 |
| flyingfrog | any1 has? | 18:25 |
| Jedi_ | what kind of cc graphics? | 18:25 |
| Jedi_ | like http://creativecommons.org/images/public/somerights20.png ? | 18:26 |
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| flyingfrog | no, something bigger | 18:27 |
| flyingfrog | ok i just found the ttf font for making it... | 18:28 |
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