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| akila87 | paroneayea: Hi | 15:21 |
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| paroneayea | hello akila87 | 15:21 |
| akila87 | I sent u the extension. | 15:23 |
| akila87 | and updated the wiki http://wiki.creativecommons.org/OpenOfficeOrg_Addin | 15:23 |
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| paroneayea | akila87: wiki looks great | 15:42 |
| paroneayea | akila87: thanks. | 15:45 |
| paroneayea | I'm still working through some morning things but will get to putting things in the right place | 15:45 |
| paroneayea | akila87: okay, so | 15:46 |
| akila87 | paroneayea: sure :) | 15:47 |
| paroneayea | we also need a wrap-up post on labs | 15:47 |
| akila87 | k | 15:50 |
| akila87 | I'm trying to write one :) | 15:50 |
| paroneayea | cool | 15:51 |
| paroneayea | we also need to: | 15:51 |
| paroneayea | - make a brief-ish post to cc-community mailing list | 15:52 |
| paroneayea | - upload the source code to google | 15:52 |
| paroneayea | the page is allegedly here but it seems down: https://groups.google.com/group/google-summer-of-code-mentors-list/web/code-submission-guidelines-2010 | 15:52 |
| akila87 | I think source code uploading is from 3oth aug | 15:56 |
| paroneayea | oh yeah | 15:59 |
| paroneayea | hm looks like you are right :) | 15:59 |
| paroneayea | pencils-down is today though I think, so at the very least we need to get that pencils-down wrap-up blogpost written and the email to cc-community | 16:00 |
| paroneayea | I'm currently uploading your latest .oxt to labs | 16:00 |
| paroneayea | akila87: http://labs.creativecommons.org/gsoc/2010/ccooo.oxt | 16:01 |
| paroneayea | :) | 16:01 |
| akila87 | paroneayea: you mean by today? | 16:03 |
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| paroneayea | akila87: hm, I guess pencils-down means that most importantly we got the source uploaded | 16:04 |
| paroneayea | but a labs post soon would be good, but today is not completely necessary. | 16:05 |
| paroneayea | akila87: just tested the updated extension here | 16:06 |
| paroneayea | looks great | 16:07 |
| akila87 | thanks :) | 16:07 |
| paroneayea | yup | 16:07 |
| paroneayea | brb | 16:07 |
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| paroneayea | akila87: remember that when you *do* upload your code samples that they should be the source tarball of nothing past what you do today | 16:25 |
| paroneayea | so you can keep doing coding past today, but cannot submit it in your code submission | 16:26 |
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| akila87 | ya I just created an archive :) | 16:45 |
| paroneayea | akila87: great :) | 16:46 |
| akila87 | paroneayea: and I will put the blog post by tomorrow. | 16:46 |
| paroneayea | akila87: fantastic :) | 16:47 |
| akila87 | paroneayea: and about the Mac problem; the current Netbeans plugin is not compatible with mac. I revived this from the mailing list today; "There is a problem with the plugin on MacOS Leopard where Java 64bit is the default. It's a 64bit versus 32bit problem and the UNO type browser from within the plugin doesn't work. We are looking into the problem ..." | 16:49 |
| paroneayea | akila87: aha! | 16:49 |
| akila87 | paroneayea: so this will simply solve after this. btw I will try to find any workaround :) | 16:50 |
| paroneayea | akila87: great, thanks | 16:51 |
| akila87 | paroneayea: we can put the next release with that and the Nathans' idea. | 16:52 |
| erlehmann | http://creativecommons.org/about/what-is-cc is crashing my Iceweasel. Repeatedly. | 16:52 |
| akila87 | paroneayea: and if you find any mistake in the wiki please buzz me :) | 16:53 |
| paroneayea | okay, will do. Thx for all your hard work akila87! | 16:53 |
| akila87 | thanks paroneayea & nyergler! but still we are not done :D | 16:54 |
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| erlehmann | nkinkade, I am currently writing up a README, including a feature description, installation instructions and licensing details. Is there anything else for me to do in the remaining 2 hours? | 17:02 |
| nkinkade | I think that should do it. I was going to hear over to the GSoC site in a few minutes and do the final evaluation. | 17:03 |
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| nkinkade | erlehmann: Oh, wait. I have until the 20th. | 17:04 |
| nkinkade | I was confusing the firm pencils-down date and the deadline for evaluations. | 17:04 |
| erlehmann | I'll just do the writeup then. In Markdown. | 17:05 |
| nkinkade | That means I'll probably do the eval tomorrow or the next day. | 17:05 |
| erlehmann | I already knew that John Gruber is not of the exceptionally bright kind (regarding Theora: "Mozilla, get with the program!"), but Markdown synthax is not that well designed at several places. Like delimiting links with round brackets. | 17:07 |
| nyergler | so why are you using it then? | 17:09 |
| erlehmann | nyergler, GitHub supports it, and it is more plain-text readable than HTML. | 17:11 |
| nyergler | i see | 17:12 |
| erlehmann | It is not that I think it is a bad format overall, just some choices are, well, questionable at best. | 17:12 |
| erlehmann | Regarding the URLs, the author did probably not bother to check what the RFC says about delimiters in plain text. | 17:13 |
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| erlehmann | nkinkade, what license should my stylesheets have? cc-zero? | 17:40 |
| nkinkade | erlehmann: Whichever license you like, really. BY or CC0 would be nice, though. | 17:41 |
| erlehmann | with BY, each embedding site would have to give me attribution. | 17:42 |
| nkinkade | CC releases all of its own work under a BY 3.0 Unported license, so it may be nice for you to do the same, but CC0 seems just fine as well. | 17:42 |
| erlehmann | that I would consider ugly … | 17:42 |
| nkinkade | erlehmann: CC0 is good. | 17:42 |
| erlehmann | okay :) | 17:42 |
| erlehmann | nkinkade, README is done. screenshots still need updating to accomodate for the embed button, then I will rest. | 17:56 |
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| nkinkade | erlehmann: Sounds good. Thanks. | 17:57 |
| nkinkade | erlehmann: I guess I'm confused by what you mean by a "php-based web server" for the embed button. | 18:15 |
| erlehmann | nkinkade, look into embed-helper.php. | 18:15 |
| erlehmann | If it isn't a small web server, what is it? | 18:16 |
| nkinkade | erlehmann: where is that file located? | 18:17 |
| erlehmann | nkinkade, in the same directory as wordpress-cc-plugin.php | 18:17 |
| erlehmann | do you have git HEAD on your machine? | 18:18 |
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| nkinkade | erlehmann: I do now. | 18:20 |
| nkinkade | erlehmann: Can you briefly describe what that file does and why it's necessary? | 18:21 |
| erlehmann | nkinkade, it serves the Access-Control-Allow-Origin header to allow <audio> and <video> files to be served on other sites. | 18:21 |
| erlehmann | nkinkade, it also serves the X-Content-Duration header so that a browser knows how long (in seconds) a media file is. | 18:22 |
| erlehmann | When a browser knows that, it can display a timeline slider. To server that, it can do range-requests too. | 18:23 |
| erlehmann | s/server/serve | 18:23 |
| nkinkade | erlehmann: Why not just let the browser and web server negotiate those things on their own? | 18:24 |
| erlehmann | It all is a workaround for people not being able to set up their .htaccess for this use case. | 18:24 |
| erlehmann | Also, my web hoster said that there is no suitable apache extension for serving X-Content-Duration. | 18:25 |
| erlehmann | which would lead to unneccessary range seeks to the end of the file. | 18:25 |
| erlehmann | It may be quite an overly long hack, but it works as intended, as far as I can tell. | 18:26 |
| erlehmann | Also, it is not triggered at all for images, because they have no same-origin restrictions. | 18:27 |
| nkinkade | erlehmann: Alright. I guess I'm still a little confused about why any of those headers would really be vital enough to write code around it. | 18:27 |
| nkinkade | But as long as it works and does what you intended, then that's okay. | 18:27 |
| erlehmann | Without "Access-Control-Allow-Origin: *" site B absolutely cannot include multimedia content from site A, with the exception of images (because their use was widespread before the same-origin policy was formulated) | 18:28 |
| erlehmann | the rest is just niceties that fit in because, hey, when I make a web server to serve a *single* header, it may as well be a bit more useful. | 18:28 |
| erlehmann | my first implementation was like header('Access-Control-Allow-Origin:*'); readfile($file); | 18:29 |
| erlehmann | which probably loads the whole file into memory and all. | 18:30 |
| paroneayea | nyergler: so for the pdmark urls, do we know where we want these to be? | 18:31 |
| paroneayea | for the chooser, /choose/pdmark or | 18:31 |
| paroneayea | /pdmark/choose? or just /pdmark/ ? | 18:32 |
| paroneayea | same questions for the deed | 18:32 |
| erlehmann | 15 min for new screenshots *the suspense* | 18:42 |
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| Ahmuck-Sr | hi. i've got some questions | 18:44 |
| Ahmuck-Sr | i'm taking some public domain material and transcribing it into electronic format. i'd like to see it remain public domain. as i understand copyright law, anybody can take public domain material, change it slightly, and then re-copyright it. correct? | 18:45 |
| nyergler | paroneayea, let's start with /choose/mark; i'm assuming it's easy to switch to something like /choose/pdmark later if needed | 18:45 |
| paroneayea | nyergler: yeah it's no difficulty | 18:45 |
| nyergler | Ahmuck-Sr, it has to contain sufficient creativity to qualify for a new copyright | 18:45 |
| Ahmuck-Sr | let's assume it does, and based on that idea, there ends up being 30 copies, each one with sufficient creativity | 18:46 |
| Ahmuck-Sr | all the same name, how does a normal person then find which one is public domain to prevent copyright infringment upon the others? | 18:47 |
| nyergler | very carefully :) | 18:47 |
| Ahmuck-Sr | *sigh* | 18:48 |
| Ahmuck-Sr | therein lies the problem. with enough copies, confusion, adding to cost of locating public domain works, locking out public domain works from the public | 18:48 |
| nyergler | right, one of many problems surrounding digital PD | 18:48 |
| Ahmuck-Sr | is there a way with cc to "lock" the copyright of all derivities of the transcribed work? forcing the new sufficient creativity to re-create or create thier own transcription and tyepsetting from scratch? | 18:49 |
| nyergler | i don't think so | 18:49 |
| Ahmuck-Sr | is it possible to put a restriciton on CC works something like, this was transcribed from a public domain work, however if you'd like to use this electronic copy and copywrite your changes you must transcribe the work yourself? | 18:52 |
| nyergler | no | 18:53 |
| Ahmuck-Sr | if you'd like to use this transcribed electronic copy of a public work, make creative changes to it and continue using the original transcribed electronic copy then you must release your changes back into public domain? | 18:53 |
| nyergler | No; the only CC licenses that dictate the license of future derivatives are the Share-Alike licenses | 18:54 |
| Ahmuck-Sr | let me look at CC SA more carefully. i'd like to impose the restriction that if the party chooses to use the work (transcription/typesetting) without creating thier own file, they must contribute their changes back to public domain upon publication. in particular, i'm thinking about old songs, and the amount of labor & time required to typeset them | 18:57 |
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| erlehmann | nkinkade, new screenshots are in. | 18:59 |
| Ahmuck-Sr | the CC lisense then would only apply to the electronic transcription, not to the public work itself | 18:59 |
| Ahmuck-Sr | correct? | 18:59 |
| * Ahmuck-Sr notices the public work FAQ | 18:59 | |
| nyergler | Ahmuck-Sr, it would apply to whatever your copyright applies to | 19:02 |
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| paroneayea | nyergler: what branch does hudson test again? master or next? | 20:01 |
| paroneayea | because I wonder if changes ended up breaking the test suite if they'd be caught in the pdmark branches | 20:02 |
| nyergler | paroneayea, right now just master, iirc | 20:02 |
| nyergler | send me an email and i can reconfigure/look | 20:02 |
| paroneayea | kk | 20:02 |
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| paroneayea | nyergler: another question. It makes sense that the license passed into the pdmark Formatter's format method should be cc.license.by_code('publicdomain'), yes? | 20:44 |
| paroneayea | even though it doesn't really get used in the pdmark's case :) | 20:44 |
| paroneayea | by convention I mean | 20:44 |
| paroneayea | unless we plan on making new rdfa for the public domain mark (I suspect no?) | 20:45 |
| paroneayea | er, rdf | 20:45 |
| nyergler | paroneayea, i think we need new RDF | 20:59 |
| nyergler | the RDF for publicdomain has the wrong canonical URL | 20:59 |
| nyergler | seems like a host of problems lurking there | 20:59 |
| paroneayea | nyergler: ah, okay | 21:01 |
| nyergler | paroneayea, i suggest just creating RDF stub for the moment with the correct URI | 21:03 |
| nyergler | (make sense?) | 21:03 |
| paroneayea | nyergler: yup | 21:08 |
| nkinkade | akozak: You available? | 21:59 |
| akozak | nkinkade, yes | 21:59 |
| nkinkade | akozak: I just upgraded the wiki to 1.16.0 ... would you mind poking around the SMW related stuff to make sure there is no obvious breakage? :-) | 22:00 |
| akozak | nkinkade, sure | 22:00 |
| nkinkade | And just generally that nothing seems out of place. You are much more familiar with the wiki than I am in general. | 22:00 |
| akozak | nkinkade, I'm going to run a data update job first | 22:00 |
| akozak | shouldn't take too long, just a few minutes | 22:00 |
| nkinkade | akozak: SWMAdmin? | 22:00 |
| akozak | nkinkade, yes and then speed it up with runjobs.php | 22:01 |
| nkinkade | Cool. Thanks. | 22:01 |
| akozak | i never really understood runJobs.php... it seems to just stop at random times | 22:02 |
| akozak | regardless of whether you set --maxjobs | 22:02 |
| JED3 | nyergler: should we add metadata_scraper to hudson? | 22:03 |
| akozak | nkinkade, haven't found any breakage yet | 22:04 |
| nkinkade | akozak: I've been poking around too and things are seeming okay. Thanks for looking around. | 22:04 |
| akozak | nkinkade, no problem. iirc 1.16 didn't change much. | 22:06 |
| akozak | I don't know why it took over a year to release | 22:06 |
| akozak | might have been vector and other usability initiative stuff | 22:06 |
| nyergler | JED3, yes; does it use nose? | 22:16 |
| JED3 | nyergler: yes | 22:18 |
| nyergler | paroneayea, ping | 22:23 |
| paroneayea | nyergler: gnop | 22:24 |
| nyergler | paroneayea, what projects do you want the pdmark branch added to? | 22:24 |
| paroneayea | nyergler: cc.license, license.rdf, cc.engine | 22:24 |
| paroneayea | (I have yet to push license.rdf with pdmark, but will in a few) | 22:25 |
| nyergler | JED3, does metadata_scraper get a bin/nosetests wrapper when you run buildout? | 22:25 |
| JED3 | nyergler: yes | 22:26 |
| nyergler | paroneayea, hudson reconfigured | 22:27 |
| paroneayea | nyergler: yay | 22:27 |
| nyergler | JED3, i forget, is the scraper still in svn? | 22:28 |
| JED3 | nyergler: yes, as metadata_scraper | 22:29 |
| JED3 | paroneayea: are you using the babel.git in cc.i18n? | 22:29 |
| paroneayea | ...man I really, really hate the by_code logic in cc.license | 22:29 |
| paroneayea | it's such a mess. | 22:29 |
| paroneayea | Instead of just doing an RDF query and constructing the license, it loops through every selector calling the selector's own by_code, which passes the code, license and version to cc.license._lib.dict2uri to get the license uri, which is itself a terrible series of hacks to guess a license uri based on those parameters which has to be modified every time a non-standard license is added, and after it gets that uri back the selector sees | 22:33 |
| paroneayea | if it has a license with that uri. | 22:33 |
| nyergler | paroneayea, JED3, Hudson is either running or has completed your builds with the new config: http://code.creativecommons.org/hudson/ | 22:36 |
| paroneayea | nyergler: great :) | 22:38 |
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| JED3 | paroneayea: ping | 22:54 |
| paroneayea | JED3: pong | 22:54 |
| JED3 | any idea why this might be happening? http://code.creativecommons.org/hudson/job/metadata_scraper/2/console | 22:54 |
| JED3 | scroll to the bottom | 22:55 |
| paroneayea | JED3: weird | 22:55 |
| paroneayea | well there's a very small chance of a race condition... | 22:55 |
| nyergler | JED3, paroneayea, is it possible that the i18n rebuild cron job took away the sdist after buildout resolved it, but before it was retrieved? | 22:55 |
| nyergler | right | 22:55 |
| paroneayea | if the buildout detected which one it should remove *right* before it removed it | 22:56 |
| paroneayea | it's such a small window though | 22:56 |
| nyergler | paroneayea, is it? if it was doing a full lxml build, etc, that's a larger window | 22:57 |
| nyergler | (the last build took 8 minutes) | 22:57 |
| paroneayea | nyergler: oh yeah | 22:57 |
| paroneayea | you're right | 22:57 |
| paroneayea | it probably looks for which packages to fetch before it fetches any? | 22:57 |
| nyergler | i'm re-running now, going to see if it works on this pass (since it doesn't start from scratch) | 22:57 |
| nyergler | right | 22:57 |
| paroneayea | one way we could remove that window | 22:58 |
| paroneayea | is have a separate cronjob that runs every night that wipes out all the old cc.i18n releases from the previous day | 22:58 |
| paroneayea | except for one if necessary | 22:58 |
| nyergler | yeah, it grabbed the sdist this time | 22:58 |
| nyergler | (still building) | 22:58 |
| nyergler | build is green :) | 22:59 |
| paroneayea | yayy | 23:00 |
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| JED3 | woot | 23:05 |
| nkinkade | akozak: I just upgraded Teamspace ... are we doing anything SMW-related there these days? | 23:14 |
| nyergler | nkinkade, can you make the default theme for Teamspace vector please? | 23:15 |
| akozak | nkinkade, there are a bunch of legacy templates and forms but i don't know if it's much in use | 23:15 |
| akozak | well maybe not a "bunch" but some | 23:15 |
| nkinkade | nyergler: I just changed it to vector, but I can't see any noticeable difference. | 23:16 |
| akozak | nkinkade, you might have to force-update all user preferences | 23:16 |
| akozak | actually | 23:16 |
| akozak | I think there's a new LocalSettings option | 23:16 |
| akozak | let me check | 23:16 |
| nkinkade | akozak: It looks like user pages aren't working: http://teamspace.creativecommons.org/User:Nathan_Kinkade | 23:17 |
| akozak | nkinkade, yea I don't know how long it's been since SMW and Forms have been updated on TS | 23:18 |
| nkinkade | akozak: Updating SemanticForms seems to have fixed it. | 23:18 |
| akozak | nkinkade, looks like you're overdue by a couple years on a few tasks :P | 23:19 |
| nkinkade | Apparently. :-) | 23:19 |
| nkinkade | Our usage of SMW on Teamspace took a nose dive around 1.5 or 2 years ago. | 23:20 |
| akozak | nkinkade, so basically i think you're going to have to run a maintenance script to change all skin preferences to vector | 23:20 |
| akozak | because the usual default skin config option only changes the default choice for new users | 23:20 |
| nkinkade | akozak: Do you know which script that is and how to run it? | 23:20 |
| nkinkade | nyergler: Why vector, by the way. | 23:21 |
| akozak | nkinkade, I'll have to look it up, one second | 23:21 |
| nkinkade | I know nothing about it, but presumably you have a reason other than just looks. | 23:21 |
| nkinkade | Performance? | 23:21 |
| nyergler | nkinkade, performance, usability, better watchlist support | 23:22 |
| nyergler | if it's lots of trouble, don't worry, i just think it'd be nice to live in the future | 23:22 |
| paroneayea | nyergler: JED3: http://code.creativecommons.org/issues/issue647 | 23:23 |
| nyergler | thanks | 23:23 |
| paroneayea | I'm out, at least for a bit | 23:24 |
| paroneayea | later | 23:24 |
| nkinkade | akozak: I found it: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Skin_configuration | 23:26 |
| nkinkade | I'll try running that. | 23:26 |
| akozak | nkinkade, yes that's it. I was trying to re-parse out the command looking at the maintenance page docs directly :P | 23:26 |
| akozak | fwiw: | 23:27 |
| akozak | Usage for <skin> (default: 'vector'): | 23:27 |
| akozak | 66 user(s): 'monobook' | 23:27 |
| akozak | 21 user(s): '' | 23:27 |
| akozak | 1 user(s): 'modern' | 23:27 |
| akozak | 1 user(s): 'cc' | 23:27 |
| akozak | so a simple replace for monobook might not catch all | 23:27 |
| akozak | all users* | 23:27 |
| nkinkade | akozak: Hmmm. It didn't seem to work. | 23:30 |
| nkinkade | What is your default skin now? | 23:30 |
| akozak | nkinkade, still monobook | 23:30 |
| nkinkade | The script output showed success, but my own skin is still Monobook | 23:30 |
| akozak | nkinkade, did you accidentally run it on the cc wiki? :P | 23:31 |
| nkinkade | akozak: Nope. | 23:31 |
| akozak | nkinkade, interesting: | 23:31 |
| akozak | Usage for <skin> (default: 'vector'): | 23:31 |
| akozak | 1 user(s): 'modern' | 23:31 |
| nkinkade | akozak: What's that? | 23:31 |
| akozak | apparently skin is only set for 1 user now | 23:31 |
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| nkinkade | Hmm. | 23:32 |
| akozak | php userOptions.php skin --usage | 23:32 |
| nkinkade | akozak: And yet the output of the script showed this, for example: | 23:33 |
| nkinkade | Setting skin for Nathan Kinkade from 'monobook' to 'vector'): OK | 23:33 |
| akozak | hmm | 23:33 |
| akozak | how about we run the maintenance script to check that the wiki has all the necessary db tables | 23:35 |
| akozak | its harmless if it does | 23:35 |
| akozak | hm ok | 23:36 |
| akozak | nkinkade, interestingly, I changed my skin preference to vector | 23:37 |
| nkinkade | akozak: How? | 23:37 |
| akozak | but it didn't show up in --usage | 23:37 |
| akozak | through my preferences | 23:37 |
| nkinkade | It would almost appear that that script is busted. | 23:39 |
| akozak | nkinkade, it's possible since one of the big 1.16 changes was an overhaul of the maintenance scripts | 23:41 |
| akozak | :/ | 23:41 |
| nkinkade | I imagine I can probably run a SQL query to change everyone's theme faster than I can debug that script. | 23:41 |
| akozak | nkinkade, should we file a bug? | 23:45 |
| akozak | or a note on the wiki pages' discussion page? | 23:46 |
| nkinkade | akozak: That would be the nice things. Are you up for it? | 23:46 |
| nkinkade | :-) | 23:46 |
| akozak | nkinkade, sure, but I'm not sure how to best document it. could you send me the exact call to userOptions you made? | 23:46 |
| akozak | and I wouldn't know how to describe what happened, since I don't really know :P | 23:47 |
| nkinkade | akozak: I made 3 calls: | 23:49 |
| nkinkade | $ php userOptions.php skin --old monobook --new vector | 23:49 |
| nkinkade | And then the same call with '' in place of monobook and 'cc' too. | 23:49 |
| akozak | nkinkade, ok thanks, in the process of filing | 23:50 |
| akozak | nkinkade, is it possible you were actually supposed to run it with quotes | 23:51 |
| akozak | "monobook" "vector" | 23:51 |
| akozak | now php userOptions.php skin --usage shows nothing :P | 23:54 |
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