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| [mharrison] | Can anyone answer a quick question about fair use? | 10:05 |
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| rjcp | Olá. | 12:42 |
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| greg-g | [mharrison]: a fair use question? i can give some pointers with the full acknowledgement that I'm not giving legal advice and in the end it is really just a risk analysis | 13:54 |
| [mharrison] | greg-g, just what I need | 13:54 |
| [mharrison] | There exists a photograph (http://catchseventy7.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/flighthair1.jpg , not mine) and I made a drawing based off of it (http://pics.discosoup.net/skitch2.png). Is that acceptable fair use? Do I have the right to publish, sell, print on t-shirts whatever the image, or no since it's based on a photograph/contains a celebrity likeness that I don't have permission to use? | 13:55 |
| greg-g | [mharrison]: since that is a celebrity, and the photo looks like a promo photo, your ability to do commercial things with your derivative under fair use is probably close to nil. | 13:57 |
| [mharrison] | greg-g, ok, that's what I figured. But this still falls under the category of "art", correct? | 13:59 |
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| greg-g | [mharrison]: yeah, I suppose. | 14:05 |
| [mharrison] | Ok, thanks for the info | 14:06 |
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| greg-g | [mharrison]: no problem, glad I could help. | 14:08 |
| [mharrison] | I was just curious as to how drawings worked via fair use if they're based on another work. Usually it's photography issues I'm confused about since I'm a photographer and (now former) photojournalist, heh | 14:09 |
| greg-g | gotcha | 14:09 |
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| [mharrison] | I release all of my photos under non-commercial CC licenses, but when someone asked if they could use one of my Jay-Z concert photos in their store, I wasn't sure if I actually had the legal right to do that (I was shooting the concert as press but didn't have to sign any photo releases) | 14:13 |
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| greg-g | [mharrison]: photos of celebrities are tricky beasts are there are personality rights that trump copyright | 14:22 |
| greg-g | s/are there are/because there are/ | 14:23 |
| [mharrison] | Yeah, that's why it always confuses me. Damned celebs | 14:23 |
| * greg-g is at a conference right now, so multitasking | 14:23 | |
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| * paulproteus waves. | 15:09 | |
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| * greg-g waves to paroneayea | 15:28 | |
| greg-g | grr, paulproteus rather | 15:28 |
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| * paroneayea waves back at greg-g anyway | 15:32 | |
| greg-g | :) | 15:33 |
| paulproteus | (-: | 15:33 |
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| JED3 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrfpnbGXL70 | 18:11 |
| JED3 | whoops slight nsfw clip at 2:30ish | 18:13 |
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| JED3 | paroneayea: ping | 18:39 |
| paroneayea | JED3: pong | 18:45 |
| JED3 | hi, i believe you have a bug in your publicdomain formatter | 18:45 |
| paroneayea | JED3: uhoh... what is it? | 18:46 |
| JED3 | dctype = _translate_dctype(work_dict['format'].lower()) | 18:46 |
| paroneayea | yup, what's the bug? | 18:46 |
| JED3 | you have work_dict defaulting to None, which would produce a KeyError | 18:46 |
| paroneayea | ah right, good catch | 18:49 |
| paroneayea | shouldn't throw anything off in cc.engine but we should support not passing in anything to work_dict | 18:50 |
| paroneayea | I'll fix that, thanks :) | 18:50 |
| JED3 | i guess it would produce a __getitem__ not impl, but for empty dicts you'll get a keyerror ;) | 18:50 |
| JED3 | no prob, thanks for catching the PD stuff in the first place | 18:50 |
| paroneayea | yup | 18:51 |
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| paroneayea | JED3: new egg uploaded | 18:56 |
| paroneayea | thx | 18:56 |
| JED3 | paroneayea: i thought one of us had added an rdflib version restriction to rdfadict?? | 18:59 |
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| paroneayea | hm. I added it to a few packages. Maybe I missed rdfadict? | 19:01 |
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| greg-g | paroneayea: wow, good catch on the translation thingy | 19:46 |
| paroneayea | greg-g: heh, thanks | 19:47 |
| paroneayea | I just noticed it last week | 19:47 |
| nkinkade | akozak: Do MW not allow a user to delete files they uploaded? | 20:01 |
| nkinkade | *Does | 20:01 |
| akozak | nkinkade, it should. | 20:02 |
| akozak | but like most stuff in mw its hard to delete for good. | 20:02 |
| nkinkade | akozak: Hmm. It looks like the guy who wrote to webmaster@ really did upload that file. | 20:03 |
| nkinkade | I just don't know why there would be no delete link. | 20:03 |
| nkinkade | akozak: FYI .. based on a test I just ran on the staging wiki it would appear that a user cannot delete files they upload, though it seems they can upload a modified file. | 20:15 |
| akozak | nkinkade, odd. | 20:16 |
| akozak | nkinkade, it's probably that we haven't assigned that right to basic users. | 20:17 |
| nkinkade | Is there actually a right to delete one's own uploaded files? | 20:17 |
| akozak | nkinkade, don't think mw distinguishes your pages from others. | 20:18 |
| akozak | http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Special:ListGroupRights | 20:18 |
| nkinkade | I'm not worried about it. We virtually never get requests like this, and we don't really want people deleting other peoples' files ... it's apparently not a default MW permission. There is some reason behind that, I'm sure. | 20:19 |
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| akozak | nkinkade, probably because it'd get hard to manage revisions. i.e. can a user delete their file if someone revised it | 20:24 |
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| nyergler | nkinkade, do we let normal users delete pages? (just curious) | 20:32 |
| nyergler | also, nkinkade, the AWS drive arrived back in the office | 20:32 |
| nkinkade | nyergler: I don't think so. | 20:32 |
| nkinkade | Nice ... that was pretty quick of Amazon. | 20:32 |
| nyergler | yeah | 20:32 |
| nkinkade | nyergler: We could probably speed up this process if you or someone else in the office were able to off-load the data from the enclosure onto the Time Capsule. | 20:33 |
| nkinkade | It may take some time for that to happen, so would just save many hours while I'm in town. | 20:33 |
| nyergler | nkinkade, right | 20:33 |
| nkinkade | Don't know how easy or hard it would be to do that, though. | 20:34 |
| nkinkade | Certainly possible, but just don't know if will take some wrangling or go right on without any work at all. | 20:34 |
| nyergler | nkinkade, not sure it can mount ext3 natively, so that may be an issue | 20:35 |
| nyergler | i'll need to experiment | 20:35 |
| nkinkade | nyergler: The way is probably to attach it to some Ubuntu box, then mount the Time Capsule in Ubuntu and just copy the data. | 20:35 |
| nyergler | right | 20:35 |
| nkinkade | mralex: Are you or have you done any changes to CiviCRM or Drupal files in the last 15 or 20 minutes? | 20:44 |
| mralex | nkinkade: nope, not in that timeframe | 20:45 |
| nkinkade | mralex: 30 minutes? | 20:45 |
| nkinkade | I'm about to upgrade Drupal. | 20:45 |
| nkinkade | Just want to make sure I don't stomp on anything you did. 30 minutes back should cover it, because it's been less time than that since I copied the new files. | 20:45 |
| mralex | nkinkade: i have some uncommited theme changes in drupal; and there may be some uncommitted or unpushed changes to the creativecommons module on support | 20:46 |
| mralex | from yesterday | 20:46 |
| nkinkade | mralex: That's okay. | 20:46 |
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| rjcp | Hello all. | 20:54 |
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| nyergler | nkinkade, if I wanted to use a static IP for the new video conferencing system, what's a good choice? (also, can I send you ports to forward to it?) | 21:10 |
| nyergler | hi rjcp | 21:10 |
| rjcp | Hello nyergler | 21:10 |
| nkinkade | nyergler: I think we have a Teamspace page with office static IPs. | 21:11 |
| nkinkade | Let me find it. | 21:11 |
| nkinkade | Hrmph. Maybe we don't. | 21:13 |
| nyergler | nkinkade, thanks | 21:13 |
| nkinkade | nyergler: There may be a piece of paper on the inside of the telco closet door. | 21:13 |
| nyergler | nkinkade, i'll look | 21:13 |
| nkinkade | Thanks. | 21:13 |
| nkinkade | nyergler: What I do know is that 10.0.2.1 - 10.0.2.99 I reserved for static use. | 21:14 |
| nkinkade | nmap show that .1, .3, .4, .5 and .10 are in use. | 21:14 |
| nkinkade | The DHCP pool is only from .100 to .150 | 21:15 |
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| nyergler | nkinkade, thanks | 21:29 |
| nyergler | i didn't find a sign | 21:29 |
| nyergler | i'm going to use .15 | 21:29 |
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| JED3 | paroneayea: ping | 21:45 |
| paroneayea | JED3: pong | 21:45 |
| JED3 | is 'recombo' still an accepted license class? | 21:45 |
| paroneayea | looks like it | 21:46 |
| JED3 | paroneayea: ehh sorry, i overlooked something myself | 21:46 |
| paroneayea | in selectors.rdf | 21:46 |
| JED3 | paroneayea: and HTMLFormmater should do just fine with recombo | 21:47 |
| JED3 | ? | 21:47 |
| paroneayea | should. Is it not? | 21:47 |
| mralex | http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2010/06/introducing-google-command-line-tool.html | 22:03 |
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| [mharrison] | mralex, old news =P | 22:41 |
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| molo | can anyone recommend a good copyright lawyer in NYC that could go after a CC-BY-SA infringer with deep pockets? | 23:17 |
| akozak | molo, CC doesn't provide referral services, but our community has started a page at http://wiki.creativecommons.org/CC_Friendly_Lawyers | 23:23 |
| akozak | we don't necessarily endorse or recommend anyone on that list | 23:23 |
| molo | akozak: thank you, that's more than I had before to go on. appreciateed. | 23:23 |
| akozak | no problem. | 23:24 |
| akozak | I am sure there are plenty of lawyers in NY :P | 23:24 |
| molo | heh, yes.. but probably few that would bother with a small-time case like this. | 23:25 |
| molo | appreciated, thanks. | 23:25 |
| [mharrison] | Lawyers? In MY New York City? It's more likely than you think. | 23:27 |
| nyergler | nkinkade, i installed Ubuntu 10.04 Server on the new backup box | 23:28 |
| nkinkade | nyergler: Do you mean the rackmount? | 23:28 |
| nyergler | yes | 23:29 |
| akozak | actually it was hurd | 23:29 |
| nkinkade | nyergler: Why Ubuntu over Debian Lenny? | 23:29 |
| nyergler | i guess i didn't think about it much; didn't seem like much difference | 23:29 |
| nyergler | i can of course blast easily at this point if you feel strongly to the contrary | 23:30 |
| nkinkade | nyergler: I'm sort of partial to Debian for the servers. | 23:30 |
| nyergler | ok | 23:30 |
| nkinkade | It's just that all the other servers are Debian Lenny and the consistency seems nice. | 23:30 |
| nkinkade | Plus I somewhat have more trust in Debian than Ubuntu ... even if it's irrational. | 23:31 |
| nyergler | yes, that is irrational, but i can appreciate consistency :) | 23:31 |
| nkinkade | It just make managing thing easier when I know that they all run the same thing, and all need the updates at the same time. | 23:31 |
| nyergler | sure | 23:32 |
| nkinkade | Then again, maybe I'm falling into the old homogeneity pitfall .... one for arguments against Windows. | 23:32 |
| nyergler | lol | 23:32 |
| nkinkade | Hey I've got a great idea ... let's run all 1,000 of our servers on the *exact* same platform! | 23:33 |
| nkinkade | :-) | 23:33 |
| nyergler | i don't think it matters -- going to lenny is trivial | 23:33 |
| nyergler | :) | 23:33 |
| nkinkade | Since we don't have 1000 servers, I sort of like the homogeneity of Lenny. | 23:33 |
| akozak | yet. | 23:33 |
| akozak | can we start a seti@home team and buy a server farm for it? | 23:34 |
| nyergler | sure | 23:35 |
| akozak | REALLY? | 23:35 |
| nyergler | lol | 23:35 |
| akozak | mralex, did you post this a while back? http://fadeyev.net/2010/06/19/lessjs-will-obsolete-css/ | 23:39 |
| akozak | or was it JED3 | 23:39 |
| JED3 | akozak: i believe it was a conversation between us two | 23:40 |
| mralex | jed and i were talking about lesscss at some point | 23:40 |
| akozak | ah | 23:40 |
| akozak | was wondering where i got the bookmark from | 23:40 |
| JED3 | the title of that blog post is so "hackernewish" or "r/programmingish" | 23:41 |
| akozak | yea doesnt really make sense | 23:41 |
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