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| paroneayea | mornin #cc ;o | 16:56 |
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| nkinkade | mralex: When you get a second could you poke around on staging to make sure things are working with 2.9.1? | 18:18 |
| nkinkade | I've looked around and things seem okay, but you may know of some good tests. | 18:18 |
| mralex | k | 18:19 |
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| mralex | nkinkade: everything looks ok to me on staging | 19:04 |
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| mralex | anyone on firefox 3.6 yet? | 19:08 |
| nkinkade | mralex: Cool. I guess I'll push the updates to the live machine in a bit. | 19:11 |
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| luisv | mralex: I'm on the RC, why? | 19:15 |
| timbl | Soory if this is a FAQ, but it is n't in the FAQ in the title. SA licences must transfer to a work which "builds on" another work. Does a slide show "build on" a slide in the show? | 19:18 |
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| timbl | If I give a talk with a series of images, do I have to avoid all SA licenses on the photos? | 19:19 |
| luisv | timbl: (I'm not with CC, so take with a grain of salt) | 19:19 |
| mralex | luisv: wondering if it's stable enough for day to day use | 19:20 |
| luisv | timbl: but my understanding is that CC's position is that a slide show doesn't 'build on' the individual pictures in the deck | 19:20 |
| mralex | (in relation to general firefox instability, of course) | 19:20 |
| timbl | luisv: That sould be great | 19:20 |
| luisv | mralex: IMHO, it is much, much improved over 3.5 | 19:20 |
| luisv | (and the meeting I'm in right now says we've fixed something like 219 crash-causing bugs in the past few months) | 19:21 |
| timbl | logger, pointer? | 19:21 |
| mralex | heh | 19:21 |
| timbl | s/sould/would/ | 19:21 |
| luisv | timbl: for the ffox crash info, or for the license question? :) | 19:22 |
| timbl | the license q | 19:22 |
| luisv | hrm | 19:23 |
| luisv | don't have one offhand | 19:23 |
| luisv | (tangentially: getting meaningful search results for CC issues is getting harder because so many people are using CC licenses) | 19:24 |
| luisv | (which is a good problem to have) | 19:24 |
| luisv | timbl: CC tends to avoid making public statements about those sorts of things, because they might be construed as legal advice | 19:25 |
| luisv | which is probably why I'm having a hard time finding any statements on that one way or the other | 19:26 |
| timbl | Yes. I can understand that. | 19:26 |
| luisv | (I personally avoid using SA licenses in non-SA documents because I feel most people who use SA probably intend it to be fairly strong, even if legally it isn't actually that strong, if that distinction makes sense) | 19:27 |
| timbl | But clean defeinition like that would be useful -- or one could have specific sub-liceses which answer the question explicitly | 19:27 |
| luisv | yeah, I agree, and I think that is probably on the list of things that they'd like to address in 4.0, to the extent it can be (sort of like library linking with LGPL, there is only so much clarity you can get- lots of it really is the vagary of copyright law) | 19:27 |
| nkinkade | timbl: Clear definitions in law seem rare to me. | 19:28 |
| nkinkade | At the end of the day it comes down to what someone can convince others of in a court. | 19:29 |
| nkinkade | timbl: Do I assume you have already looked at the definitions in the license itself? For example 1(a) and 1(b) of http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/legalcode | 19:29 |
| luisv | nkinkade: it is true that clear definitions are hard, but CC could help clarify the situation by addressing it in FAQs, etc., to help frame the discussion | 19:30 |
| luisv | (of course, lawyers hate actually doing that) | 19:30 |
| luisv | (disclaimer: IAAL) | 19:30 |
| luisv | (but I am not your lawyer) | 19:30 |
| luisv | (I need a button in my IRC and email clients that just automatically adds those strings) | 19:31 |
| nkinkade | timbl: My personal view, for what it's worth, is that using an unaltered image in slideshow is almost certainly in the "Collection" side of things. | 19:32 |
| paroneayea | heh... IAAL, BIANYL | 19:33 |
| paroneayea | BIANYL is a fun acronym to pronounce. | 19:33 |
| paroneayea | oh, I guess IANYL is a common acronymn. I hadn't heard it before. | 19:34 |
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| akozak | nathany, did you get a chance to look at the ded page? | 21:22 |
| nathany | akozak, i started, trying to wrap up now | 21:23 |
| nathany | you'll note there's a new link to a subpage in the last section | 21:23 |
| akozak | jawsome | 21:23 |
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| akozak | haha http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_1aalo3iz9OU/SDDahvPd4HI/AAAAAAAAAyQ/DaW1PxSKqQo/s400/jawsome.jpg | 21:24 |
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| paroneayea | akozak: too bad topatoco stopped selling this shirt: http://needle-exchange.ca/images/computer_programming_shirt.jpg | 21:29 |
| akozak | haha | 21:29 |
| JED3 | whoa | 21:29 |
| nathany | i'd totally buy thast | 21:29 |
| nathany | that | 21:29 |
| akozak | http://www.zazzle.co.uk/street_sharks_tshirt-235070562176932672 | 21:30 |
| akozak | trying to find a street sharks shirt with jawsome on it... | 21:30 |
| nkinkade | mralex: I suppose we should remove the campaign thermometer from the CC Planet theme?? | 21:31 |
| akozak | whaaaaaat http://www.designbyhumans.com/vote/detail/65783 | 21:31 |
| mralex | nkinkade: damnit…. yes. | 21:31 |
| paroneayea | akozak: gorgeous | 21:31 |
| akozak | Maybe you're all too old to remember street sharks | 21:32 |
| mralex | i don't understand how that jaw works. | 21:32 |
| mralex | :P | 21:32 |
| akozak | jawsomely | 21:33 |
| paroneayea | I am in the appropriate age range to remember all teenage mutant ninja turtle knockoffs ever | 21:33 |
| JED3 | paroneayea: :D | 21:33 |
| mralex | what about samurai pizza cats? | 21:33 |
| akozak | before my time... | 21:34 |
| akozak | I was still watching sesame street :P | 21:34 |
| paroneayea | oh shit, apparently I was not in the age range for Extreme Dinosaurs, a Street Shark spinoff | 21:34 |
| paroneayea | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extreme_Dinosaurs | 21:34 |
| akozak | haha spinoff | 21:35 |
| paroneayea | spinoff of a knockoff | 21:36 |
| akozak | hahahaha http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x9ur7q_extreme-dinosaurs_fun | 21:36 |
| akozak | this. is. awesome. | 21:36 |
| paroneayea | oh fuck | 21:36 |
| paroneayea | that is pretty extreme | 21:36 |
| mralex | dang | 21:37 |
| mralex | i bet it's more awesome in english | 21:38 |
| paroneayea | time to close that tab, this is too extreme for my productivity | 21:39 |
| JED3 | man, this is ridiculous | 21:41 |
| JED3 | these dinosaurs are totally not to scale | 21:41 |
| paroneayea | JED3: you should find addresses of the concept artists and animators and write letters to complain | 21:41 |
| JED3 | I have half the mind to | 21:42 |
| JED3 | what a travesty | 21:42 |
| akozak | hahaha | 21:42 |
| paroneayea | "The dinosaurs in the short-lived animation series you put out ten years ago are not to scale, I am displeased and concerned about what you are teaching our children" | 21:42 |
| JED3 | "I am also deeply disturbed by the presence of racism and violence seen at 1:12 - 1:16 in the opening shots of the "Out of Time" episode" | 21:46 |
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| mralex | we've come far since 1997 | 21:49 |
| akozak | except for the Dow | 21:50 |
| mralex | "Prince H: the fictional prince of England who sometimes helps the Extreme Dinosaurs with some missions. He keeps their secret too." | 21:50 |
| mralex | i, too, am outraged. | 21:50 |
| akozak | what the hell is their secret? | 21:55 |
| akozak | that they're *extreme* dinosaurs? | 21:55 |
| nkinkade | mralex: http://forum.creativecommons.org/ | 21:57 |
| akozak | Dang, we raised so much the thermometer busted the div. | 22:00 |
| mralex | extreme. | 22:02 |
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| nkinkade | mralex: Just in case it wasn't obvious earlier the link to the forum was with regard to the thermometer tehre. | 22:19 |
| nkinkade | *there | 22:19 |
| mralex | nkinkade: yeah | 22:19 |
| nkinkade | Seems we've got to many damn themes to keep up with. | 22:19 |
| nkinkade | How nice would it be to unify them somehow? | 22:19 |
| mralex | very nice | 22:20 |
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| mralex | nkinkade: themes updated. | 22:27 |
| nkinkade | mralex: Cool. Thanks. | 22:27 |
| nkinkade | There are probably some others lurking around out there. :-) | 22:27 |
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