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| nathany | paulproteus: SYN | 15:10 |
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| nathany | nkinkade: can you hop on a7 and help me figure out what's going on? | 15:15 |
| nathany | it seems to just be hammered | 15:15 |
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| nkinkade | nathany: I suspect it's gitweb. | 15:17 |
| nkinkade | I'm on a7 right now. | 15:17 |
| nathany | nkinkade: how do i kill that? | 15:17 |
| nkinkade | Lot's of apache processes. | 15:18 |
| nathany | (and why do you suspect that?) | 15:18 |
| nkinkade | Because viewgit was the first thing to get an alert. | 15:18 |
| nathany | ah | 15:18 |
| nathany | makes sense | 15:18 |
| nathany | can you try and disable that? | 15:18 |
| nkinkade | nathany: I just disabled it, and things seem better already. | 15:20 |
| nathany | nkinkade: great | 15:20 |
| nathany | is it a cgi? | 15:21 |
| nathany | let me channel paulproteus for a second | 15:21 |
| nathany | "why don't we just fcgi process cycle the mofo?!" | 15:21 |
| nathany | (i'm kidding) | 15:21 |
| nkinkade | haha | 15:22 |
| nkinkade | Well, we've known that gitweb can cause these problems. | 15:22 |
| nkinkade | but they haven't cropped up in a while. | 15:22 |
| nathany | right | 15:22 |
| nathany | iirc we switched to cgit for a second to take advantage of caching/C-based, right? | 15:22 |
| nkinkade | Yeah, that's right. | 15:22 |
| nathany | so how does it run now? as a CGI? | 15:23 |
| nkinkade | There was some version of gitweb that has caching, or does something to be less resource intensive. | 15:23 |
| nkinkade | I think it's still in development?? | 15:23 |
| nkinkade | Yeah, it's gitweb.cgi | 15:23 |
| nkinkade | I wonder if paulproteus will have some input on this now? | 15:23 |
| nkinkade | a7 isn't terribly busy in terms of bytes, but it's processor usage is really high all the time. | 15:24 |
| nkinkade | http://a6.creativecommons.org/cacti/graph_view.php?action=tree&tree_id=1&leaf_id=10 | 15:24 |
| nkinkade | I think is has to do with the fact that I disabled APC a while back because of those login problems with the wiki, but it could also be gitweb. | 15:25 |
| nathany | nkinkade: paulproteus is off today... I'm leaning towards leaving gitweb off for a few hours (or a day) until we can think about this a bit | 15:25 |
| nathany | it's annoying but not unlivable w/o it | 15:25 |
| nathany | nkinkade: i love the loadaverage graph on that pge | 15:26 |
| nathany | page | 15:26 |
| nkinkade | I'm pretty happy with that cacti setup. | 15:26 |
| nkinkade | It's good information for us that we weren't capturing before. | 15:26 |
| nathany | yeah | 15:27 |
| nathany | nkinkade: did you see the email re: estonian? i can't remember if we have a project started there or not... | 15:28 |
| nkinkade | nathany: I haven't read that that email yet. | 15:28 |
| nathany | ok, no hurry | 15:28 |
| nkinkade | nathany: Did you figure anything about about cc.engine and the 500 error with mkdeeds? | 15:29 |
| nathany | nkinkade: not yet, just got in and noticed a7 barfing | 15:30 |
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| nathany | i'm going to skim through email and then take a look | 15:30 |
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| nathany | nkinkade: can you disable nagios for viewgit until we restore it? | 15:56 |
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| nkinkade | nathany: Yeah, sorry. | 15:58 |
| nathany | nkinkade: no problem | 15:58 |
| nkinkade | Let me try re-enabling gitweb for a minute. | 15:58 |
| nkinkade | Just so you know how I did it, I just commented out the ScriptAlias line in the vhost config for code.creativecommons.org, the reloaded Apache. | 15:59 |
| nkinkade | Nope. As soon as I reenabled it, things got slow again. | 16:01 |
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| nathany | nkinkade: i think i've fixed mkdeeds (sort of) but i need to merge from turnk to production | 16:28 |
| nathany | i have a meeting now, will do it immediately following | 16:28 |
| nkinkade | nathany: Thanks. As soon as that works, I'll start a huge batch of Deed generation for the ones you specified. | 16:30 |
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| johndoigiii | nkinkade: did I catch that you were moving to south america yesterday on the call or was that my imagination? | 16:35 |
| nkinkade | johndoigiii: I've got a friend who has a place in Bocas del Toro, Panama. Since my lease was running out, I decided to just go work from there for a little while before I sign a new lease. | 16:41 |
| johndoigiii | oh wow, that sounds amazing | 16:41 |
| nkinkade | The place is on an island and quite remote, and very rustic, to say the least. | 16:42 |
| nkinkade | But it has Internet, and the idea is that it's a place where tech workers who work remotely could go for a month or two to work in an interesting setting. | 16:43 |
| nkinkade | We'll see how it goes. | 16:43 |
| nkinkade | http://www.cocovivo.com | 16:43 |
| johndoigiii | nkinkade: this is such a great idea | 16:53 |
| nkinkade | johndoigiii: If you're interested, just let me know, and I can put you in touch with Ulrich, who used to live in the Bay area as well. | 16:55 |
| nkinkade | :-) | 16:55 |
| nkinkade | http://sites.google.com/site/cocovivo/ | 16:55 |
| nkinkade | http://www.outscape.net/ | 16:55 |
| nkinkade | In fact, a couple just left a few weeks ago. The guy is a Ruby developer and he and his wife went down for a few months while he developed a website for a client. | 16:56 |
| paulproteus | nkinkade, nathany hi | 16:56 |
| paulproteus | was asleep | 16:56 |
| paulproteus | sup | 16:56 |
| paulproteus | Heh re: fcgi gitweb | 16:56 |
| nkinkade | http://wwwilsons.wordpress.com/ | 16:56 |
| nkinkade | paulproteus: Hi. | 16:57 |
| nkinkade | I've totally taken over #cc to talk about things not related to CC. | 16:57 |
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| paulproteus | Awesome! | 16:57 |
| nkinkade | Not directly related, that is. | 16:57 |
| nkinkade | But indirectly related since a CC employee will be there for a little while. | 16:57 |
| johndoigiii | haha | 16:58 |
| nkinkade | paulproteus: Any new thoughts about gitweb? | 16:58 |
| paulproteus | Well, cgit is still a million times better than gitweb performance wise. | 16:58 |
| paulproteus | The only reason we don't use is is that we're sad to break URLs. | 16:58 |
| paulproteus | That and it didn't integrate properly with gitosis, right. | 16:58 |
| nkinkade | Do we need this: | 16:58 |
| nkinkade | kernel.org (gitweb w/ caching) by John 'Warthog9' Hawley. Adds gitweb-specific caching support on top of generic gitweb. Split into many smaller modules. | 16:59 |
| paulproteus | But I have a shell script hack for #2, and I don't mind breaking URLs at this rate. | 16:59 |
| paulproteus | gitweb is always going to be super slow. | 16:59 |
| paulproteus | We can cache its output, but cgit is probably faster than gitweb + caching. | 16:59 |
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| nkinkade | paulproteus: I can't remember now, but part of the reason were some segfaults that we couldn't figure out, right? | 16:59 |
| paulproteus | It's just architected tragically. | 16:59 |
| paulproteus | nkinkade, Oh, yeah, I do remember that too. But cgit has progressed since then; maybe it just doesn't segfault like that anymore. | 17:00 |
| nkinkade | Maybe it's time to revisit cgit? | 17:00 |
| nkinkade | It would be a bit of a pain in the short-term, and perhaps URLs might change, but I see it as part of the FRRS program that nathany has us on? ;-) | 17:00 |
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| nkinkade | We can't really afford to have the wiki and teamspace go down whenever someone decides to hit gitweb with a lot of request, or when a rogue spider nails it. | 17:01 |
| nkinkade | It just seems like a timebomb that's bound to go off now and then, like it did this morning. | 17:02 |
| paulproteus | I agree whole-heartedly. | 17:02 |
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| paulproteus | nathany, FWIW the FCGI approach is a strategy to make web apps run for *shorter* periods of time; Python web apps generally think they can run forever and serve out requests until the end of days. | 17:03 |
| paulproteus | gitweb is based on the opposite principle: CGI, which is one exec() per request. | 17:03 |
| nathany | paulproteus: i was being 100% facetious ;) | 17:04 |
| paulproteus | I know, I just thought I'd use the opportunity to be pedantic anyway. | 17:04 |
| nathany | paulproteus: natch | 17:04 |
| paulproteus | (-: | 17:04 |
| johndoigiii | nkinkade or paulproteus: the URL for a license will ALWAYS be "http://creativecommons.org/licenses/<licensecode>/<jurisdiction>/<version>/" ? ... with the exception of Unported licenses | 17:04 |
| nathany | johndoigiii: /licenses/<code>/<version>/<jurisdiction>/ | 17:05 |
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| johndoigiii | thanks | 17:06 |
| nathany | johndoigiii: (with the jursidiction clause possibly omitted) | 17:06 |
| nathany | lotia: did you ever get the office to watch Helvetica? | 17:06 |
| nathany | we went and saw Objectified last night | 17:06 |
| johndoigiii | how was it | 17:06 |
| johndoigiii | ? | 17:06 |
| nathany | awesome | 17:06 |
| nathany | same sort of feel as Helvetica, but broader in scope so more interesting interviews, etc | 17:07 |
| nathany | Bovinity was there as well | 17:07 |
| johndoigiii | I actually just watched Helvetica the other night, i was very impressed (still have to finish the 2nd half tho) | 17:07 |
| nathany | :) | 17:07 |
| Bovinity | very inspirational | 17:07 |
| Bovinity | as a designer | 17:07 |
| johndoigiii | oh very cool, I saw the trailer for it, was there much HCI talk? | 17:07 |
| nathany | johndoigiii: none at all | 17:08 |
| Bovinity | a little on information design | 17:09 |
| nathany | nkinkade: i just merged my mkdeeds work | 17:09 |
| nathany | a couple notes: | 17:09 |
| nathany | 1) it still seems to hang... boo | 17:09 |
| johndoigiii | ohh okay, just curious if they went into the "non-tangible realm" | 17:09 |
| nathany | but 2) it now logs progress as you go so you should be able to accurately tell when it's done | 17:09 |
| lotia | nathany: nope, but i watched it myself | 17:10 |
| nathany | and 3) it still uses a testing framework to drive things but removes a layer of indirection (no more functional testing layer) | 17:10 |
| lotia | nathany: and it was awesome | 17:10 |
| nathany | lotia: cool; then you'd probably love Objectified, too | 17:10 |
| Bovinity | the evening was let down by a shitty Q&A session | 17:10 |
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| nkinkade | nathany: I'll svn up and give it a go. | 17:10 |
| nathany | Bovinity: true; "so you're saying good design is subjective?" Duh, mofo! | 17:11 |
| nkinkade | nathany: So you've now experienced the fact that mkdeeds won't release the terminal? | 17:11 |
| nathany | nkinkade: yes :( | 17:11 |
| nkinkade | Nothing ctrl-z won't handle, so no biggie. | 17:11 |
| nathany | nkinkade: and now you should be able to tell when it's done | 17:11 |
| nkinkade | I could before too because it would say Finished and OK. | 17:12 |
| johndoigiii | haha its only objective if there's a big white apple on it somewhere | 17:12 |
| nathany | lol | 17:12 |
| nathany | nkinkade: i'm 99% sure things are fixed, but you should yell if the deeds look more weird than usual when you're committing | 17:12 |
| nathany | (really, i spot checked, but it's slightly different now so thought a second set of eyes would help) | 17:12 |
| nkinkade | I'll look for big things. Something small might escape my attention. | 17:13 |
| nathany | nkinkade: sounds good | 17:14 |
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| nkinkade | nathany: How do you feel about reverting to cgit again? | 17:16 |
| * lotia is unhappy because he can't connect to non-standard ports from irssi on his shell machien | 17:16 | |
| nathany | nkinkade: i suppose i'm fine with it... we left it due to segfaults? | 17:17 |
| nathany | (and it's static, iirc?) | 17:17 |
| nkinkade | nathany: I *think* that's why we left it, but can't remember now. | 17:18 |
| nkinkade | nathany: mkdeeds just failed again, looks like it's trying to fetch a real URL: | 17:18 |
| nkinkade | webtest.AppError: Bad response: 500 Internal Server Error (not 200 OK or 3xx redirect for http://localhost/%2B%2Bvh%2B%2Bhttp%3Acreativecommons.org%3A80/%2B%2B/licenses/by-nc/3.0/us/?lang=el) | 17:19 |
| lotia | nathany: you mentioned you saw objectified? | 17:19 |
| nathany | nkinkade: sigh | 17:20 |
| nathany | lotia: yup | 17:20 |
| nathany | nkinkade: let me try to reproduce locally | 17:20 |
| nathany | nkinkade: i don't suppose you get a clearer traceback, do you? | 17:21 |
| nkinkade | Should it be trying to fetch a URL like that, or is that URL specious? | 17:21 |
| nathany | nkinkade: i think it's made up and intercepted by the testing layer; i'm looking at it closer now | 17:21 |
| nathany | nkinkade: are you working on... a6? | 17:23 |
| nkinkade | nathany: Yeah, a6. | 17:23 |
| nkinkade | I'm trying to cut-n-paste the full backtrace into pastebin. Just having issues with cut-n-paste in screen. :-) | 17:24 |
| nathany | :) | 17:24 |
| nathany | nkinkade: what's the commandline? i can try to re-run as you on a6 | 17:25 |
| nathany | (it's working for me locally) | 17:25 |
| nkinkade | ./bin/mkdeeds -j us -o ~/cc_svn/license.rdf/trunk/licenses/ | 17:27 |
| nathany | nkinkade: can i kill your existing run so i can get the lock? | 17:28 |
| nkinkade | Try it now. | 17:29 |
| nathany | nkinkade: nope, i'm going to kill the other run | 17:30 |
| nkinkade | Kill whatever you need to kill. | 17:30 |
| nathany | :) | 17:30 |
| nathany | nkinkade: try running it now | 17:33 |
| nathany | looks like an encoding problem (again) | 17:33 |
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| mecredis | nathany: there? | 17:35 |
| nathany | mecredis: yup | 17:35 |
| mecredis | just wanted to figure out your NYC departure_time | 17:35 |
| nathany | oh, one second | 17:35 |
| nathany | mecredis: my flight doesn't leave until 630p on Monday | 17:36 |
| nathany | (from JFK) | 17:36 |
| mecredis | thats great | 17:36 |
| nathany | mecredis: yeah, so that Plum meeting should be fine | 17:37 |
| mecredis | also want to book another meeting | 17:38 |
| mecredis | dm'd you about it | 17:38 |
| nkinkade | nathany: Seems to be working now. mkdeeds is much more chatty now. :-) | 17:38 |
| nathany | nkinkade: yeah :) | 17:38 |
| nathany | mecredis: on Twitter? i don't see it | 17:41 |
| mecredis | irc | 17:41 |
| nathany | oh | 17:41 |
| * nathany is a moron | 17:41 | |
| Bovinity | nathany: as expected, the publicdomain license engine page title changes worked fine ;) | 17:44 |
| nkinkade | nathany: mkdeeds was going along, then it dumped a Deed to the terminal: | 18:01 |
| nkinkade | 2009-04-23T10:55:01 INFO root Generating sl for http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/3.0/us/ | 18:01 |
| nkinkade | Response: 200 Ok | 18:01 |
| nkinkade | Content-Type: text/html;charset=utf-8 | 18:01 |
| nkinkade | <lots of HTML> | 18:01 |
| nkinkade | It doesn't seem to be doing anything now. | 18:01 |
| nathany | nkinkade: one second | 18:02 |
| johndoigiii | nathany let me redo the po file, now that there were just changes to the pd/templates | 18:03 |
| nathany | johndoigiii: i don't think they'll impact what you did | 18:03 |
| nathany | oh, what you committed... | 18:03 |
| nathany | (not what alex did, right?) | 18:03 |
| johndoigiii | ohh okay, just looked over diffs, should be fine | 18:04 |
| nathany | great, thanks | 18:04 |
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| nathany | nkinkade: i'm not sure what's going on; that doesn't seem to be problematic for me | 18:05 |
| nathany | nkinkade: oh, wait | 18:05 |
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| nathany | nkinkade: hrm... | 18:05 |
| nathany | can you scroll back and see what the HTML says? | 18:05 |
| nathany | (ie, is it a deed? error message?) | 18:05 |
| nkinkade | It's just an entire Deed. | 18:05 |
| nkinkade | No error message, I see headers and all. | 18:06 |
| nathany | weird | 18:06 |
| nathany | nkinkade: oh, it looks like i left a print statement at the end of the run | 18:07 |
| nathany | are you sure it's a deed and not the contents of http://creativecommons.org/licenses/? | 18:08 |
| nathany | (which is what it's set to print (stupidly) | 18:08 |
| nkinkade | nathany: You're right, it's just /licenses | 18:09 |
| nkinkade | Does that mean it finished? | 18:09 |
| nathany | yeah | 18:09 |
| nathany | i'm updating it now to print a completion message | 18:09 |
| nkinkade | Oh, good. | 18:09 |
| nathany | (sorry about that) | 18:09 |
| nkinkade | No problem, I just didn't know what to make of raw of HTML being spit out. :-) | 18:09 |
| nathany | yeah, i just merged a change that will log a "complete" message when done instead :) | 18:10 |
| nkinkade | I'll commit these US Deeds, then start a huge batch for various locales. | 18:10 |
| nkinkade | I'm getting >50% packet loss on this network. I'm going to drop off and reboot the route, which is known to have problems. | 18:11 |
| nkinkade | paulproteus: Do you know how to implement this easily?: http://code.creativecommons.org/issues/issue338 | 18:40 |
| paulproteus | Not off the top of my head but I won't be around much today; ask me again tomorrow. | 18:41 |
| nathany | nkinkade: yes | 18:42 |
| nathany | let me find the docs | 18:42 |
| nkinkade | paulproteus: Sorry, I forgot you were off today. | 18:43 |
| nathany | nkinkade: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Semantic_Forms#Adding_sub-pages | 18:43 |
| nkinkade | nathany: Thanks. | 18:43 |
| nathany | npo | 18:43 |
| nathany | np | 18:43 |
| paulproteus | No problem, I can chat a little (-: | 18:44 |
| paulproteus | (where needed) | 18:44 |
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| Bovinity | nathany: http://io9.com/5224694/pilot-star-trek-episode-to-get-the-lucas-treatment | 19:35 |
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| nathany | Bovinity: http://code.google.com/p/xee/source/browse/trunk/XeePhotoshopLoader.m?spec=svn28&r=11#107 | 19:45 |
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| Bovinity | angelfire... it's like the 90s never ended... http://www.angelfire.com/cantina/terryann2/flowers/flowers.htm | 19:58 |
| nathany | Bovinity: http://ajaxian.com/archives/dynamically-generic-pdfs-with-javascript | 19:58 |
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| GPH-Laptop | Is there some place that documents the changes between license versions, without providing extensive commentary? | 21:12 |
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| nathany | paulproteus: SYN | 21:28 |
| nkinkade | nathany: Deeds are generating on a6 in a screen session. | 21:29 |
| nathany | ok | 21:29 |
| nkinkade | the Unported and US ones are done and committed. Now just doing a batch job of all the locales en_ locales and cs. | 21:30 |
| nathany | awesome, thanks | 21:30 |
| nathany | nkinkade: do you know who is supposed to own the cc_engine files so that the post-commit hook runs correctly? | 21:30 |
| nathany | when I commit to i18n, paulproteus's script barfs with an error... it looks like it expects them to be owned by you? not sure | 21:31 |
| nkinkade | nathany: Not sure, but I would image pootle???? | 21:31 |
| nathany | nkinkade: no, ownership of the i18n checkout used by cc.engine | 21:31 |
| nkinkade | Oh. I'm not sure about that. | 21:32 |
| nathany | yeah, me either | 21:33 |
| nkinkade | Are they not owned by nathan? | 21:33 |
| nkinkade | I thought that's what most other stuff was owned by. | 21:34 |
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| paulproteus | nathany, ACK | 21:49 |
| nathany | paulproteus: i opened a ticket for you | 21:49 |
| paulproteus | My scripts do have expectations assumptions | 21:49 |
| paulproteus | cool | 21:49 |
| paulproteus | I can do the chowning. I just codified whatever was the case. | 21:49 |
| paulproteus | resolved, thanks for the ping | 21:53 |
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| paulproteus | Bovinity, Very nice (-: | 21:56 |
| Bovinity | paulproteus: hmm? | 21:57 |
| paulproteus | re: PDFs in JS | 21:57 |
| Bovinity | ah, that was nathan.. i found the retro 90s angelfire page | 21:57 |
| paulproteus | Ah, right on. | 21:58 |
| paulproteus | I also loaded that; very nice too (-: | 21:58 |
| paulproteus | Also that comment is *amazing* (re: PSD file format) | 21:59 |
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| paulproteus | No Nathans in here. It's lonely. | 22:23 |
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| Bovinity | aw | 23:01 |
| Bovinity | he would be glad to know i fixed the firefox printing bug | 23:01 |
| Bovinity | but alas | 23:01 |
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