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| paulproteus | Ah hah, Ubuntu. (-; | 00:06 |
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| paulproteus | nkinkade, Excellent plan. | 00:14 |
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| nkinkade | a5 is down for some reason | 16:53 |
| nkinkade | Could be a transient network problem at ServerBeach but I'm rebooting just in case. | 16:53 |
| nkinkade | It's back up now. | 17:03 |
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| paulproteus | Yay. | 18:34 |
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| nkinkade | nathany: I'm looking at all the MW extensions we can git-svn, then turn into submodules. There are about 16. | 18:58 |
| nkinkade | Yet, I sense that it's a very rare case where we edit the code of an extension. | 18:58 |
| nkinkade | I'm wondering if a reasonable solution would be to just pull them in with subversion and git ignore them. | 18:59 |
| nkinkade | Should it become necessary to modify the code, then we can create a repo and make it a submodule. | 18:59 |
| nathany | i'm not sure what you mean by "git ignore" them | 18:59 |
| nathany | seems like a very manual upgrade process then if you're just doing checkouts into the installation | 19:00 |
| nathany | or am i missing something? | 19:00 |
| nkinkade | It just seems like a lot of tap dancing and complication for some functionality that we'll probably never need for most of the extensions. | 19:00 |
| nkinkade | It would only be a matter of "svn up" for each of the extensions we wanted to upgrade. | 19:00 |
| nkinkade | And that could be easily automated with a bash script. | 19:01 |
| nathany | i think that's still a pain, since you'd ideally be checking out a tag or branch so you'd have to svn switch to a different tag/branch (or specific rev for a release) | 19:01 |
| nkinkade | What I mean by "git ignore" then is to pull them into the local mediawiki git tree with subversion, then tell git to ignore them. | 19:01 |
| nathany | so i'm not sure how you'd automate the switching with bash... i guess you could mod the script every time there was a release to switch all the extensions to the most recent version | 19:02 |
| nkinkade | It just seems like jumping through hoops to create 15 or 16 diff. git repositories for each and every MW ext. we've got, then running git-svn on them every single day, then set them up as submodules. | 19:03 |
| nkinkade | I guess it's mostly automated once the initial setup is done. | 19:03 |
| nathany | i thought we already had the repositories created and that paulproteus's scripts automated most of that | 19:03 |
| nkinkade | We've got repositories for may 4 or 5 of them. | 19:04 |
| nathany | ah | 19:04 |
| * paulproteus waves | 19:04 | |
| paulproteus | It's not much work at all to import another one or ten. | 19:04 |
| paulproteus | I'd just need to know which ones. | 19:04 |
| paulproteus | Then in about ten minutes it'd be done. | 19:04 |
| paulproteus | Well, it'd be started; it'd take ca. 1h to finish the import. | 19:04 |
| paulproteus | At least, it's really quick for me to do it, and I'm happy to be the one to do it. | 19:05 |
| nkinkade | paulproteus: I'll send you, and nathany, the list that I've compiled so far. | 19:05 |
| paulproteus | nkinkade, Cool. Make sure to send me svn URLs with it. | 19:05 |
| nkinkade | I've already got them in a file. | 19:06 |
| nathany | (one does wonder if svn:externals + vender branches aren't actually easier to write tools to automate against...) | 19:06 |
| nathany | but nevermind | 19:06 |
| paulproteus | vender bender | 19:06 |
| nathany | so this may be a stupid question, but why don't we have repos for these already? i thought the tooling, repos, etc were "ready to go" for this | 19:06 |
| paulproteus | That's what I thought, too. | 19:07 |
| paulproteus | There's a whole lot of .gitmodules in our MW skeleton, I thought. | 19:07 |
| nkinkade | We started, but that was as far as it got. | 19:07 |
| nathany | i guess we just haven't actually tried to use this? | 19:07 |
| nathany | ah | 19:07 |
| nkinkade | It was somewhat tried by Steren with Acawiki, and if I recall he ran into some problems, though I can't remember what. | 19:08 |
| nathany | paulproteus: you need to document how you manage the process of mirroring things; i sort of hate (no, really dislike) that you're getting sucked into this for the second day in a row | 19:08 |
| paulproteus | Yeah, I can agree with that. | 19:08 |
| nathany | not that it's anyones fault, i'd just like to avoid making you the choke point for everything :) | 19:09 |
| paulproteus | Yesterday was unavoidable, I'd say, and this will be ca. 10 minutes' worth. But I agree; I'll file a ticket... (-: | 19:09 |
| nkinkade | It's the Bus Factor again. | 19:10 |
| nathany | right | 19:10 |
| nkinkade | And there are buses everywhere, and our factor is frequently 1. | 19:10 |
| nathany | exactly | 19:10 |
| paulproteus | I even ride buses sometimes. | 19:11 |
| nathany | the horror | 19:11 |
| paulproteus | That's not even the worst of it. | 19:11 |
| paulproteus | Sometimes I bike next to them. | 19:11 |
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| paulproteus | Bovinity, Do me a favor and go to learn.creativecommons.org/community/ , log in, and change your skin preference to Ahab. | 20:16 |
| paulproteus | Do you have a better idea for placing these boxes than just jamming them under the display image? | 20:16 |
| paulproteus | I'm going to go have lunch and get to the office while you consider that. | 20:16 |
| paulproteus | (or nathany or nkinkade or anyone else) | 20:16 |
| paulproteus | It's no longer the default because it didn't have a login or edit link, which is rather odd. | 20:16 |
| nkinkade | paulproteus: Earlier I renamed a one of the MW extension git repositories, which I realized will surely break your git-svn magic. | 20:21 |
| paulproteus | "renamed"? | 20:21 |
| paulproteus | On code-dot? | 20:22 |
| nkinkade | categorytree.git --> mw-ext_categorytree.git | 20:22 |
| paulproteus | Okay, cool. Just file an issue against Code and I'll resolve it. | 20:22 |
| nkinkade | I was thinking that we should name these MW extension with a common prefix. | 20:22 |
| nkinkade | Doesn't matter what, just so long as they can be easily identifiable and preferably grouped in the project list. | 20:22 |
| nkinkade | So, paulproteus, I don't know where are in the process, but would give them a common prefix, whatever makes sense to you? mw-ext_<extenstion name>.git was what occurred to me. | 20:24 |
| paulproteus | I was thinking a subdirectory might be nice. | 20:25 |
| paulproteus | mw-ext/ | 20:25 |
| nkinkade | paulproteus: Even better! I didn't know you could have subdirectories. If it's possible, then that makes more sense that a prefix. | 20:33 |
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| nkinkade | nathany: I'm thinking to just setup monitor with normal extensions for now, then later when all those git-svn repos are ready I can replace the extensions one by one with git submodules. | 21:12 |
| nkinkade | ... to expedite getting these wikis going. | 21:12 |
| nathany | sounds good | 21:13 |
| nkinkade | paulproteus: By the way, I got dspam working last night ... turns out all my woes were due to the opt-in feature. | 21:13 |
| nkinkade | nathany: Off the top of your head can you think of any extensions that will be absolutely critical right away? | 21:14 |
| nkinkade | I'll install just the bare minimum for now. | 21:14 |
| nathany | I really don't know | 21:15 |
| nkinkade | In that case, I'll just start of with only the ones I personally think it should have. | 21:15 |
| nkinkade | Which will be just a couple. | 21:15 |
| Bovinity | nathany: are you going to add the new deed popups, or shall I keep on working on the deed? | 21:44 |
| nathany | if you can keep handling the mock-uped-ness, that'd be great | 21:44 |
| nathany | once people agree on things i can translate it into ZPT and extract i18n strings | 21:45 |
| Bovinity | ok | 21:45 |
| paulproteus | Bovinity, Any thoughts about ze boxes? | 22:07 |
| paulproteus | <paulproteus> Bovinity, Do me a favor and go to learn.creativecommons.org/community/ , log in, and change your skin preference to Ahab. | 22:07 |
| paulproteus | Actually I made it the default again. | 22:11 |
| paulproteus | Bovinity, http://learn.creativecommons.org/community/For_Learners for example | 22:12 |
| paulproteus | OT: http://www.stablecafe.com/ is tasty | 22:21 |
| paulproteus | Also the huge doors look fantastic. | 22:21 |
| nkinkade | paulproteus: We've got that meeting with Jen in a few minutes. | 22:25 |
| nkinkade | She may be on a call with Diane for a few extra minutes. | 22:25 |
| paulproteus | nkinkade, Yup. | 22:25 |
| nkinkade | Shall we start now and quickly test that mic and speakers that you were so kind to bring in? | 22:25 |
| nkinkade | paulproteus: Is it safe to assume that you don't have Skype installed on your laptop? | 22:26 |
| paulproteus | Ani has Skype set up already, yes? | 22:26 |
| nkinkade | I guess it's not critical for the moment, as we can test with just about anything. | 22:26 |
| nkinkade | Ani is off today. | 22:26 |
| paulproteus | Oh, okay. | 22:27 |
| nkinkade | We could test with Ekiga. | 22:27 |
| paulproteus | I'll look for said speakers and test with Ekiga. | 22:27 |
| paulproteus | tty in a minute | 22:27 |
| nkinkade | Cool. Thanks. | 22:27 |
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| nkinkade | paulproteus: Just let me know when you're connected to ekiga.net | 22:37 |
| paulproteus | nkinkade, I will ring you in 30 seconds | 22:38 |
| nkinkade | Lost you. | 22:41 |
| paulproteus | Are you on Ekiga? | 22:44 |
| paulproteus | I can't dial you somehow. | 22:44 |
| paulproteus | Even though I can dial the echo test. | 22:44 |
| nkinkade | Hmm. Let me see. | 22:44 |
| paulproteus | Feel free to try dialing me. | 22:44 |
| nkinkade | Trying now. | 22:44 |
| nkinkade | Let me restart Ekiga, though it all looks fine. | 22:45 |
| paulproteus | Okay. | 22:45 |
| nkinkade | paulproteus: I'm strangely getting a registration failed: timeout. | 22:46 |
| paulproteus | Well, okay. | 22:46 |
| paulproteus | I'm chatting with the echo test. | 22:46 |
| paulproteus | You want to switch to Skype and try Jen's machine? | 22:46 |
| nkinkade | Let's try that for now. | 22:47 |
| nkinkade | I just bumped the timeout for the ekiga.net account from 3600 to 7200. | 22:47 |
| nkinkade | But I'm not sure what that value represents. | 22:47 |
| paulproteus | Okay. | 22:48 |
| paulproteus | Hi. | 22:48 |
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