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| paulproteus | nathany, Mornin'. | 16:08 |
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| nathany | morning paulproteus | 16:37 |
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| nathany | greg-g: can we check in in two minutes? | 17:00 |
| greg-g | nathany: yep | 17:00 |
| nathany | greg-g: ok, calling momentarily | 17:02 |
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| paulproteus | nathany, I think I'll stay at home and see you all around lunchtime. (I'll finish the sanity checking of key case sensitivity here hopefully.) That okay? | 17:54 |
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| nathany | paulproteus: sure | 17:59 |
| paulproteus | nathany, Okay to also destroy i18n/trunk/txt/ (which was presumably for Herder)? | 18:01 |
| nathany | paulproteus: yes | 18:01 |
| paulproteus | How I love destruction. | 18:01 |
| nathany | paulproteus: i think we're going to need to go to a trunk/production model for strings eventually... just fyi | 18:02 |
| * paulproteus nods | 18:02 | |
| paulproteus | Since all we ever do is add strings, I'm not sure of that. | 18:02 |
| paulproteus | But I guess that's not true; we might want to let some translations get committed that we don't want live for some reason. | 18:03 |
| nathany | paulproteus: well we have situations where we want to prep changes from the existing PD dedication/assertion tool to *just* a PD assertion tool | 18:04 |
| paulproteus | Sure, but the code can just change what it _()s... | 18:04 |
| nathany | we probably just want to edit strings, but we'd like to allow people to translate before we make that lives | 18:04 |
| paulproteus | ...wait, not with symbolic keys! | 18:04 |
| nathany | right | 18:04 |
| paulproteus | Sweet. | 18:04 |
| paulproteus | It would be sensible enough to just pin the external to a known-good revision, and bump that once in the project that uses it when we know it's good. | 18:05 |
| nathany | paulproteus: assuming linear, non-overlapping development models, I concur | 18:07 |
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| paulproteus | nathany, (a) svnmerge is SLOOOOW, (b) I might take the rest of the day at home, too, if that's okay. | 19:58 |
| Bovinity | no delicious thai food for you! | 19:58 |
| nathany | paulproteus: a) yes. b) ok, but i'd appreciate it if you're in the next couple days since i'll be out starting thursday | 19:59 |
| paulproteus | OH RIGHT! | 19:59 |
| nathany | and yes, no delicious thai food | 19:59 |
| paulproteus | Now that I figured out how to use the calendar in Emacs org mode, I should start using it. | 20:00 |
| paulproteus | I learned how to use it yesterday afternoon, only to discover that I had just missed an SF-LUG meeting that morning I had wanted to go to. | 20:01 |
| paulproteus | Okay, um, see you guys soonish, maybe 20m. | 20:02 |
| nathany | paulproteus: you mean pulling calendar information from the .org files into your agenda? | 20:02 |
| nathany | ok | 20:02 |
| paulproteus | nathany, Yeah, I hadn't configured any files to be agenda files, so making an agenda utterly faile.d | 20:06 |
| nathany | :) | 20:06 |
| nathany | well i'm totally fine if you want to WFH today... up to you, paulproteus | 20:06 |
| paulproteus | Yes, well, I forgot that there's the Lila welcome, which I should totally go to. | 20:07 |
| paulproteus | So I'll see you all soon. | 20:07 |
| paulproteus | No need to seem like a stranger! | 20:07 |
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| nathany | nkinkade: we're going to play with using google chat a bit for video, etc | 21:08 |
| nathany | can you add the SRV records to DNS for me? | 21:08 |
| nathany | http://www.google.com/support/a/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=60227 | 21:08 |
| nkinkade | nathany: I'll update them. | 21:09 |
| nkinkade | (right now) | 21:09 |
| nathany | thanks | 21:09 |
| paulproteus | Yay DNS SRV! | 21:10 |
| nkinkade | nathany: Chatting with people outside of CC? | 21:11 |
| nkinkade | That page seems to indicate that the SRV entries aren't necessary if your chatting with other Apps or Gmail users. | 21:11 |
| nathany | sure, if you we're going to encourage people to use it as their IM identity when they come on (instead of making them use a personal AIM account) we'd like them to be able to chat with others | 21:11 |
| nathany | right | 21:11 |
| nathany | but it is needed if you want to use non GTalk clients, IIRC | 21:12 |
| nathany | (so the client can find the jabber/xmpp server) | 21:12 |
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| nkinkade | nathany: those records are in place now. | 21:17 |
| nathany | thanks, nk | 21:17 |
| nathany | nkinkade: | 21:17 |
| nathany | er, thanks, nkinkade :) | 21:18 |
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| paulproteus | nathany, Merged. | 21:25 |
| nathany | paulproteus: awesome | 21:47 |
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| paulproteus | nathany, Any reason we should keep the Pootle and Terminology projects enabled in our Pootle install? | 22:41 |
| paulproteus | I mean, I can give you some reasons, but I don't think they're compelling. | 22:42 |
| nathany | paulproteus: no | 22:42 |
| paulproteus | Right-o. | 22:42 |
| * paulproteus is writing that reminder script | 22:42 | |
| paulproteus | nathany, There's something we're not doing right when NO is 100% done <http://translate.creativecommons.org/no/cc_org/> but the top of http://staging.creativecommons.org/license/?lang=no is untranslated. | 22:48 |
| paulproteus | I'll make a ticket about that and think about it shortly unless it's something obvious to you. | 22:48 |
| nkinkade | nathany: Any luck in testing the video chat with Google? | 22:51 |
| nathany | paulproteus: yet another javascript/rdfa implementation | 23:11 |
| nathany | http://code.google.com/p/ubiquity-rdfa/ | 23:11 |
| nathany | nkinkade: haven't tried yet; it doesn't work with linux so that sucks | 23:11 |
| nkinkade | nathany: I was just looking around to see how it all worked, because I hadn't seen any chat stuff in the Apps interface. | 23:11 |
| paulproteus | Wow, I like their JSparql. | 23:11 |
| nkinkade | I just saw in the admin area that you have to download their client to use Talk with Apps. | 23:12 |
| nathany | that's a lie | 23:12 |
| nathany | i use Pidgin and nathan@yergler.net as a Jabber id | 23:12 |
| nkinkade | "To use Chat, users must download Google Talk (Windows only)" | 23:12 |
| nathany | and I think i just connected as nathan@creativecommons.org | 23:12 |
| nathany | yeah, i know | 23:13 |
| nkinkade | That's what's in the admin interface. | 23:13 |
| nathany | it's a lie | 23:13 |
| nkinkade | Okay, I'll take your word for it. | 23:13 |
| paulproteus | The cake^Wadmin interface is a lie. | 23:13 |
| nathany | :) | 23:13 |
| nkinkade | What are your connection settings? | 23:13 |
| nathany | i added a new GTalk account, set creativecommons.org as the domain | 23:14 |
| nathany | and then on the advanced tab set connect server to talk.google.com | 23:14 |
| paulproteus | In theory this should be what those SRV records were for. (-: | 23:14 |
| nathany | heh | 23:15 |
| nathany | i don't remember having to set that manually for y.net, but maybe i did... | 23:16 |
| nathany | that was a little while ago when i set that up | 23:16 |
| paulproteus | I think those are in the instructions just in case you didn't set up DNS properly, like my friend Daniel with dmorais.com. | 23:17 |
| Bovinity | i didnt set up the SRV stuff for redprocess.com, and gtalk/video works just fine | 23:18 |
| paulproteus | By "those" I mean the suggestions to manually configure XMPP clients to hard-code the server. | 23:19 |
| Bovinity | SRV only necessary to communicate to jabber outside of gtalk/apps | 23:19 |
| paulproteus | Bovinity, You probably can't XMPP chat with me at asheesh@asheesh.org then. )-: | 23:19 |
| Bovinity | right | 23:19 |
| paulproteus | (but who would want to?) | 23:19 |
| nathany | what's the dig command to look @ the SRV records? | 23:19 |
| Bovinity | no entrance to my walled garden | 23:20 |
| paulproteus | dig _xmpp-client._tcp.jabber.asheesh.org asheesh.org | 23:21 |
| paulproteus | I think. | 23:22 |
| paulproteus | Note that you must write the domain twice: Once as the domain to look up (last arg) and once in the query (second-to-last arg) because the SRV record name contains the domain name. | 23:22 |
| nathany | right | 23:22 |
| paulproteus | I think. | 23:22 |
| nathany | but what should results look like? | 23:22 |
| nathany | I get this for cc.org | 23:23 |
| nathany | creativecommons.org.20647INA72.51.46.230 | 23:23 |
| nathany | looks like its looking for an A, not SRV? | 23:23 |
| paulproteus | Which reverse-DNSs to a5, so we're probably doing something wrong. | 23:23 |
| nkinkade | paulproteus: I removed the domain name from the SRV record. | 23:23 |
| nkinkade | (maybe incorrectly) | 23:23 |
| nathany | hrm | 23:23 |
| nathany | no, i think i typed something in wrong | 23:24 |
| nkinkade | So instead of "_jabber._tcp.creativecommons.org." I just have "_jabber._tcp", but the creativecommons.org part is implicit, or should be. | 23:24 |
| paulproteus | nkinkade, I think you're right. | 23:24 |
| nathany | that sounds right to me | 23:24 |
| paulproteus | So ignore what I said about twice. | 23:25 |
| nkinkade | I did it to just clean up what Google was suggesting, and it seems to work. | 23:25 |
| nathany | :) | 23:25 |
| paulproteus | paulproteus@rose:~ $ dig -t srv _xmpp-server._tcp.asheesh.org. | 23:25 |
| paulproteus | That does the right thing. | 23:25 |
| paulproteus | Er, only from rose? | 23:25 |
| nathany | apparently | 23:26 |
| paulproteus | Our in-office DNS drops SRV records. | 23:26 |
| paulproteus | $ dig -t srv @4.2.2.4 _xmpp-server._tcp.asheesh.org. | 23:26 |
| paulproteus | That works. | 23:26 |
| paulproteus | $ dig -t srv @4.2.2.4 _xmpp-server._tcp.creativecommons.org. | 23:26 |
| nathany | ok, cool | 23:26 |
| nathany | looks right to me | 23:26 |
| paulproteus | Me too. | 23:27 |
| paulproteus | http://staging.creativecommons.org/license/?lang=no is win; filing ticket now for thinking about the production pushing UI. | 23:28 |
| nathany | paulproteus: cool | 23:29 |
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| nkinkade | nathany: I just created a group chat on conference.jabber.org | 23:42 |
| nathany | nice! | 23:42 |
| nkinkade | The room is called cc2009 | 23:42 |
| nathany | does it persist? | 23:42 |
| nkinkade | It's password protected, just for fun. | 23:42 |
| nkinkade | Yes, I created it persistent. | 23:42 |
| nkinkade | The usual password. | 23:42 |
| nkinkade | nathany: I saw you enter, then leave immediately with an error. | 23:43 |
| nathany | hrm, i just joined | 23:43 |
| nathany | oh | 23:43 |
| nkinkade | nathan left the room (This participant is kicked from the room because he sent an error message: service-unavailable). | 23:43 |
| nathany | same thing again? | 23:43 |
| nkinkade | Maybe it something I configured badly? | 23:44 |
| nathany | something's weird | 23:44 |
| nkinkade | Yeah, you enter then immediately get kicked. | 23:44 |
| nathany | hrm | 23:44 |
| nkinkade | Interesting, Jabber has a similar command structure to IRC. | 23:44 |
| nkinkade | I just tried to invite you, but I doesn't seem to have done anything. | 23:45 |
| paulproteus | Try to invite asheesh@asheesh.org if you would like. | 23:45 |
| paulproteus | nkinkade, I imagine that the "similar command structure" is a convenience of your client. | 23:45 |
| paulproteus | I'm pretty sure that on the wire XMPP looks nothing at all like IRC. | 23:45 |
| nkinkade | paulproteus: You could be right. | 23:45 |
| nkinkade | nathany: I just removed the password. | 23:45 |
| nathany | seems to be the same | 23:46 |
| nkinkade | Yeah, I can see you going in and then out. Let me try a couple more options. | 23:47 |
| nathany | nkinkade: weird, your invite showed up in the web interface :) | 23:48 |
| nkinkade | nathany: haha. Bizarre. | 23:48 |
| nkinkade | Where on the web interface? | 23:48 |
| nathany | as a popup chat from cc2009 | 23:48 |
| nkinkade | With no options to connect or accept, I assume. | 23:49 |
| nathany | i just signed out of the web interface so hopefully things will show up in pidgin now | 23:49 |
| nathany | right | 23:49 |
| nkinkade | It's a party in the CC google Apps GTalk now ... Jane, Alex, Fred, Mel, you, me ... | 23:49 |
| nkinkade | I was just able to leave the room and then rejoin. | 23:50 |
| nkinkade | Bovinity: Are you able to join the room by chance? | 23:51 |
| nkinkade | That is, do you have a second to try. :-) | 23:51 |
| nkinkade | I can probably hit up Fred to check. | 23:51 |
| Bovinity | nkinkade: Adium has a bunch of fields i need to fill out for chatroom, how does one do it from the web interface? | 23:52 |
| nathany | nkinkade: ha, i just joined the chat in time to see | 23:52 |
| nkinkade | Bovinity: Not sure. The only fields I seemed to need were the room name and the server. | 23:52 |
| nathany | nkinkade left the room (This participant is kicked from the room because he sent an error message to another participant: service-unavailable). | 23:52 |
| nathany | (and now i seem to be kicked) | 23:53 |
| nkinkade | nathany: Yeah. I can't see to send a message. | 23:53 |
| Bovinity | nkinkade: should the server be anything specific? | 23:53 |
| nathany | well this is fun but time for me to head home | 23:53 |
| nkinkade | Bovinity: conference.jabber.org | 23:53 |
| nathany | let me know if you get it working :) | 23:53 |
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| nkinkade | nathany: Cool. We can follow up tomorrow. | 23:53 |
| Bovinity | i joined.. nobody's there! | 23:53 |
| Bovinity | :( | 23:53 |
| nkinkade | Bovinity: I'm in there, but something isn't right. | 23:54 |
| Bovinity | cc2009? | 23:54 |
| nkinkade | Yeah. | 23:55 |
| Bovinity | i can't even see how to join a chat from the web interface | 23:58 |
| nkinkade | Fred claims to be in the room. I guess we can check this more tomorrow. | 23:59 |
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