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| ftobia | currybot: list | 03:23 |
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| currybot | (1) BHINDI MASALA (Delicacy of fresh okra cooked in onion gravy with sliced onions) | 03:23 |
| currybot | (2) MAKHANWALI TARKARI (Several fresh vegetables cooked in a butter-flavored curry) | 03:23 |
| currybot | (3) KALI MIRCHI KA MURGA (Chicken cubes cooked in curry flavored with black pepper) | 03:23 |
| currybot | (4) FRESH ASPARAGUS MEATBALL (Beef meatballs cooked with fresh asparagus, red onions, and tomato gravy) | 03:23 |
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| oshani | hello, I was wondering whether any of the CC developers has come up with an ontology for CC licensing terms? | 13:40 |
| oshani | preferably in RDF? | 13:40 |
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| greg-g | coming in | 18:12 |
| Bovinity | currybot: list | 18:13 |
| currybot | (1) BHINDI MASALA (Delicacy of fresh okra cooked in onion gravy with sliced onions) | 18:13 |
| currybot | (2) MAKHANWALI TARKARI (Several fresh vegetables cooked in a butter-flavored curry) | 18:13 |
| currybot | (3) KALI MIRCHI KA MURGA (Chicken cubes cooked in curry flavored with black pepper) | 18:13 |
| currybot | (4) FRESH ASPARAGUS MEATBALL (Beef meatballs cooked with fresh asparagus, red onions, and tomato gravy) | 18:13 |
| Bovinity | tat | 18:13 |
| greg-g | currybot: 1 | 18:13 |
| currybot | BHINDI MASALA (Delicacy of fresh okra cooked in onion gravy with sliced onions) Bhindi masala is the most famous dish of Northern India. The base is prepared with garam masala, vine ripened tomatoes, Indian spices, and then the sliced onions are added and stir fried adding fresh okra and cooking them till the oil separates. | 18:13 |
| currybot | $5.00 | 18:13 |
| Bovinity | that's not right | 18:13 |
| greg-g | uh oh | 18:13 |
| Bovinity | that was fridays menu | 18:13 |
| * greg-g comes in anyway | 18:13 | |
| Steren | nathany: can I create a git repository for my current little app "License Chooser" ? | 18:30 |
| nathany | Steren: sure... not sure what we should name it | 18:31 |
| nathany | (License Chooser isn't great -- too vague/ambiguous) | 18:31 |
| Steren | nathany: yes I don't know | 18:31 |
| nathany | i mean, it doesn't necessarily impact what we call it externally | 18:32 |
| nathany | tagger? | 18:32 |
| Steren | License Tagger ? | 18:32 |
| nathany | ok | 18:32 |
| nathany | i'll add the repository to the git definition | 18:32 |
| Steren | great | 18:33 |
| nkinkade | My Openmoko Freerunner just arrived! | 18:33 |
| nathany | woot | 18:33 |
| Steren | nkinkade: great I wantr to see that | 18:35 |
| Steren | nathany: can I "git init" ? | 18:35 |
| nathany | sure :) | 18:35 |
| nathany | (that's local) | 18:35 |
| nathany | and then you can add the remote and push to code.cc.org:license_tagger.git | 18:35 |
| Steren | yeah and then "git remote add origin" | 18:35 |
| nathany | right | 18:36 |
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| Bovinity | is the network slow for everyone or just me? egad. | 18:56 |
| Steren | www.slowforeveryoneorjustme.com/creativecommons.org | 18:57 |
| Bovinity | /171-second-st/300/ | 18:58 |
| oshani | Hello Creative-Commoners! I was wondering if somebody has ever tried to tie up their FOAF URIs in order to do attribution in CC? | 19:06 |
| oshani | as in a technical solution, not just specifying "you should mention my FOAF URI if you use my work" | 19:07 |
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| ftobia | currybot: list | 19:08 |
| currybot | (1) BHINDI MASALA (Delicacy of fresh okra cooked in onion gravy with sliced onions) | 19:08 |
| currybot | (2) MAKHANWALI TARKARI (Several fresh vegetables cooked in a butter-flavored curry) | 19:08 |
| currybot | (3) KALI MIRCHI KA MURGA (Chicken cubes cooked in curry flavored with black pepper) | 19:08 |
| currybot | (4) FRESH ASPARAGUS MEATBALL (Beef meatballs cooked with fresh asparagus, red onions, and tomato gravy) | 19:08 |
| greg-g | oshani: sorry, ignore the currybot, someone will answer if they can | 19:08 |
| Steren | oshani: I think nathany can anwser you | 19:09 |
| oshani | thanks! | 19:09 |
| nathany | oshani: so you want to specify the URI to use for attribution? | 19:09 |
| oshani | yeah | 19:09 |
| nathany | we use cc:attributionURL to describe that relationship | 19:09 |
| nathany | and cc:attributionName to describe the name you'd like to use | 19:10 |
| oshani | well, the reason I ask is because I am interested in doing a project which kinda enforces the CC license terms | 19:10 |
| oshani | could I have a pointer to this cc ontology please? | 19:10 |
| nathany | so if you fill in the attribution fields on http://creativecommons.org/license, you'll see that metadata gets encoded using RDFa | 19:10 |
| nathany | http://creativecommons.org/ns is the XHTML+RDFa version | 19:10 |
| nathany | an RDF version is linked from there | 19:11 |
| oshani | but suppose somebody uses my work without the proper attribution. I have no way of knowing that it happened, isn't it? | 19:12 |
| oshani | to ask my question in a different way: are there any methods to do CC license enforcement? | 19:13 |
| oshani | has anybody tried it? | 19:14 |
| nathany | oshani: they have been tested in court in Spain and the Netherlands (IIRC) | 19:15 |
| nathany | and your question isn't really limited to CC licensed work -- it's a general question about use of *any* copyright work on the web | 19:15 |
| nathany | (how do i know if someone uses it without permission) | 19:15 |
| oshani | I actually meant automatic enforcement, as in when somebody links to your flickr photo which has BY, and fails to give proper attribution, are there any mechanisms which will say send you a notification saying "this particular content at this URI has linked to your photo"? | 19:18 |
| nathany | no | 19:18 |
| oshani | okay | 19:19 |
| nathany | there are some commercial services which are building tools to notify you of content re-use | 19:19 |
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| nathany | which could conceivably do that sort of thing | 19:19 |
| oshani | nathany, what are some examples of these commercial services? | 19:19 |
| nathany | attributor.com is the one that comes to mind | 19:20 |
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| * greg-g is going to get lunch if anyone wants to join (from the office, obviously) | 19:21 | |
| nathany | greg-g: where're you going? | 19:21 |
| greg-g | I was thinking either working women or the snack shack or whatever it is called up the block | 19:21 |
| Steren | and curry??? | 19:22 |
| nathany | lol | 19:22 |
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| greg-g | or curry ;) | 19:22 |
| nathany | no curry for me today... i'll fend for myself | 19:22 |
| greg-g | k | 19:22 |
| Bovinity | with a stick and some fire | 19:22 |
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| ftobia | currybot: list | 19:23 |
| currybot | (1) CHANNA SAAG (Garbanzo beans cooked with fresh spinach puree) | 19:23 |
| currybot | (2) KADHAI KI BHAJI (Fresh vegetables cooked with red onions, tomatoes, & spices in a heavy iron utensil) | 19:23 |
| currybot | (3) MURG PANCHPORAN (Chicken cubes delicacy cooked with five seeds, ginger, and garlic and fresh spinach leaves.) | 19:23 |
| currybot | (4) MEATBALLS MADIRA (Beef meatballs cooked in curry flavored with rum) | 19:23 |
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| eth01 | somebody wants to unbanned from this channel. | 19:43 |
| eth01 | WHAT do they have to do? | 19:43 |
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| eth01 | i did my best. | 19:44 |
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| Bovinity | o...k.. | 19:45 |
| Steren | :) | 19:46 |
| greg-g | lol | 20:04 |
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| ftobia | nathany: for license selectors: publicdomain is publicdomain, recombo is any code that contains 'sampling', and standard is everything else? | 20:34 |
| nathany | yes | 20:34 |
| ftobia | what about the GPL and the LGPL? there's some rdf in there for them. | 20:35 |
| nathany | ugh | 20:35 |
| nathany | yes, GPL, LGPL, BSD and MIT | 20:35 |
| nathany | mark them as "http://creativecommons.org/license/software" | 20:35 |
| ftobia | woot. thanks. | 20:35 |
| nathany | that doesn't exist in the current tooling | 20:35 |
| nathany | but it's where we're going | 20:35 |
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| Steren | nathany: to use liblicense into python, I just have to "import liblicense", then use "liblicense.read()" ? | 20:45 |
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| nathany | yes | 20:46 |
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| Steren | that's cool | 20:46 |
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| * KjetilK was airing some thoughts about cc:morePermissions yesterday | 20:57 | |
| KjetilK | I don't quite feel that the RDF will capture an intention "contact the author for commercial licensing" | 20:57 |
| KjetilK | I think I'd like <http://example.org/foo> cc:clearanceAgent <http://example.org/author/bar> . | 20:58 |
| nathany | KjetilK: we've thought about that some but decided we didn't have enough experience/information to determine what the "more specific" versions of morePermissions should be | 20:59 |
| KjetilK | nathany: ok, yeah | 20:59 |
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| KjetilK | one obvious thing would be "contact this foaf:Agent for other options" | 20:59 |
| nathany | i think we'll get there eventually and clearance agent (or representative or something) makes sense | 20:59 |
| nathany | well you could get 80% of the way there today by just pointing the morePermissions link at a page with embedded metadata describing the agent | 21:00 |
| KjetilK | cc:clearanceAgent rdf:domain foaf:Agent ; rdf:range cc:Work . | 21:00 |
| KjetilK | I suppose | 21:00 |
| nathany | so that software could determine contact details at least | 21:00 |
| KjetilK | yup, but we're developing systems where the RDF model is the core, so 80% isn't good enough :-) | 21:01 |
| nathany | ok | 21:01 |
| KjetilK | my next project will involve media terminals for Norwegian libraries, and if we detect a CC license, the user will be able to put a memory stick into a slot and copy the work | 21:02 |
| KjetilK | and it occured to me that this could be an important use too | 21:02 |
| nathany | awesome! | 21:02 |
| KjetilK | yup, it'll be cool :-) | 21:03 |
| nathany | let us know when that's up and going | 21:03 |
| KjetilK | yup | 21:03 |
| KjetilK | we have a deadline on december 1st | 21:03 |
| KjetilK | (OMG) | 21:03 |
| nathany | :) | 21:03 |
| KjetilK | :-) | 21:04 |
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| KjetilK | very cool media kiosks, really futuristic design, touchscreens, running Mac OSX, with RDF and OWL as the core software technology, and this CC license component | 21:05 |
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| nathany | paulproteus: it would appear (after the briefest of inspection) that herder does not send email notices for new accounts; does that match your recollection? | 21:23 |
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| Steren | nathany: for the "import liblicense", do I need to have the latest liblicense ? (I only installed the .deb of the cc repo, 0.7) | 22:05 |
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| nathany | you also need the python bindings package | 22:05 |
| nathany | (liblicense-python?) | 22:05 |
| nathany | (python-liblicense?) | 22:05 |
| Steren | ok thanks | 22:06 |
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| nkinkade | Bovinity: Are you doing anything with ccLearn on a8 that I might need to be aware of? | 22:23 |
| Bovinity | not right now, no | 22:23 |
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| nkinkade | nathany: Didn't you say you had removed uLibTidy deps from the scraper? | 22:23 |
| nathany | no, i'm working on it | 22:24 |
| nkinkade | Is that something I can implement on a5? I'm still seeing the segfaults .... | 22:24 |
| nathany | (or was) | 22:24 |
| nkinkade | Ah. Okay, ignore that for now. | 22:24 |
| nkinkade | Because it's used so much less it isn't having as much of a problem as runzope was. | 22:24 |
| nkinkade | Bovinity: nathany: I'm going to go ahead and move ccLearn to a6. | 22:25 |
| nathany | nkinkade: leaving uesearch for the time being? | 22:25 |
| nkinkade | The map stuff is already running on a6 and paulproteus checked it over. | 22:25 |
| nkinkade | nathany: Yeah, I'm thinking to just move learn.(cc).org for the moment. | 22:25 |
| nathany | great | 22:25 |
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| ftobia | nathany: any idea how to run git2svn merge, or whatever it's called? | 22:34 |
| nathany | no | 22:34 |
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| Steren | nathany: is there a real liblicense documentation ? the only I could find is this tutorial (http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Liblicense_tutorial) which may not be up to date. | 22:48 |
| nathany | Steren: no :( | 22:49 |
| nathany | one of many things that totally sucks about liblicense (for now) | 22:49 |
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