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| rejon | paulproteus: cc website seems down | 02:49 |
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| rejon | maybe news from nin? | 02:49 |
| paulproteus | rejon, Really? re: cc website | 02:49 |
| paulproteus | Lemme see. | 02:49 |
| paulproteus | http://creativecommons.org/ loads fine for me. | 02:50 |
| rejon | wtf...my shitty connection | 02:50 |
| rejon | worse than china | 02:50 |
| paulproteus | Well, I'm connecting via Joi's Lab. | 02:51 |
| paulproteus | Since I tunnel my web traffic... | 02:51 |
| paulproteus | Works locally too. | 02:51 |
| paulproteus | I'm going to bed, see you tomorrow. (-: | 02:52 |
| paulproteus | For lunch! | 02:52 |
| rejon | ;) | 02:52 |
| rejon | oh yah, i guess i need to get something ready | 02:52 |
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| Rieger | anyone know a good site on lots of DRM and Piracy information apart from drmwatch.com ? | 06:15 |
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| remaxim | hi | 08:54 |
| remaxim | there is something bothering me and I don't know how to act... should I tell people if their CC work is abused? | 08:56 |
| remaxim | I mean like somebody produced a song and that song was remixed by someone other and used for a game afterwards... the creator of the game still has to give attribution to the producer of the original song, doesn't he? | 08:57 |
| remaxim | It's an case I ve been watching for some days and there are already several things that seem to go wrong and I already tried to contact the author of the game, but he/she is just ignoring it. | 08:59 |
| remaxim | is anybody in here? | 08:59 |
| Rieger | im here | 09:02 |
| Rieger | but cant help | 09:02 |
| Rieger | soz :) | 09:02 |
| remaxim | np... | 09:02 |
| remaxim | I just don't know how to act... and I don't want any damage to the developer as well | 09:03 |
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| remaxim | hi tvol | 09:16 |
| tvol | hi remaxim | 09:16 |
| remaxim | tvol, I watched a strange case of CC-"abuse" and don't know how to act... do you know something about stuff like this? | 09:17 |
| tvol | remaxim can you explain the case? | 09:18 |
| remaxim | I m just an outsider, but I m quite sure that there is some abuse going on... | 09:18 |
| remaxim | tvol, did you get my pms? | 09:20 |
| remaxim | I don't want to harm anyone, that's why I don't want to tell the names of that case in public | 09:20 |
| remaxim | did you get my pm? | 09:25 |
| remaxim | or do you want me to explain the case without telling names? | 09:25 |
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| tvol | yes remaxim i got your other message | 09:27 |
| remaxim | tvol, is there any reason, why you're not answering? If you don't have the time or interest in that case.. it's no problem. Just tell me that | 09:35 |
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| remaxim | hi Danny_B | 09:44 |
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| remaxim | hi Paul_Miller | 10:20 |
| Paul_Miller | remaxim: Hi remaxim | 10:20 |
| remaxim | hey... do you know much about CC licenses? | 10:21 |
| remaxim | or the way most artist handle their problems if somebody violates them? | 10:21 |
| Paul_Miller | remaxim: violation of a CC license is like any other breach of copyright. Ultimately a matter for the courts... It might be easier to simply draw the violator's attention to the license they've breached? | 10:22 |
| remaxim | yeah... I already tried that... | 10:23 |
| Paul_Miller | remaxim: Is it a localised license? Or the generic one? | 10:23 |
| remaxim | actually I m not involved in that case... I just feel threatend by people not respecting the licenses | 10:23 |
| Paul_Miller | remaxim: Non-respect for licenses isn't a CC-specific problem... :-( | 10:24 |
| remaxim | and at the same time I don't want harm anyone ... that's why I m lookin for someone with experiences... | 10:24 |
| remaxim | I know.. it unfortunatly isn't ... but it still would be good to talk to someone with experience, because I really don't know how to act | 10:25 |
| remaxim | there is a game using a song from a CC musician... | 10:25 |
| remaxim | that song uses some samples from other CC songs, which demand attribution, but the author of the game doesn't mention those musicians, who did the samples | 10:26 |
| Paul_Miller | But the author of the game mentions the musician who assembled the samples? | 10:28 |
| remaxim | no, he only mentions the musicians who remixed the samples | 10:29 |
| remaxim | and did that song | 10:29 |
| remaxim | another problem is that the author of this game works on a sequel for this freeware game, which as I understood is going to be released commercially ... he already shows some "videos ads" for that game using that song, but this song and one of its samples uses the NC clause! he even won a quite big prize for that game(=the sequel), which is probably also the result of that great CC song ... the author himself says that this song helped the game very much | 10:32 |
| remaxim | as the author only mentions one musician (the guy who remixed all that stuff) and told thanks for allowing everyone using his song, I guess that he don't really have any idea that he is violating the copyright and he probably didn't talk to any of the musicians | 10:34 |
| remaxim | I already tried to contact the author by leaving youtube and blog comments... probably I should find an email and send him an email! but than he probably wouldn't mention anything about that prize he won and (IMHO) also belongs to the musicians... | 10:35 |
| remaxim | Paul_Miller, what's your opinion on that? | 10:35 |
| Paul_Miller | remaxim: I am not a lawyer... but it would certainly be worth trying to find that email address, to explore the situation with the game's author. | 10:37 |
| remaxim | ok, thank you | 10:40 |
| remaxim | Paul_Miller, it's already solved | 10:45 |
| Paul_Miller | remaxim: That was quick! | 10:47 |
| remaxim | I just looked up his blog once again and it seems like he already took care of everything... at least the stuff about the non commercial clause! he still doesn't mention the other musician who did the sample... | 10:47 |
| Paul_Miller | remaxim: Maybe he's on this channel... ;-) | 10:47 |
| remaxim | He edited the entry where I left the comment... | 10:47 |
| remaxim | as I already said: "I already tried to contact the author by leaving youtube and blog comments..." ;) | 10:48 |
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| remaxim | I left him another comment that he still forgot someone ;) ... I m quite calmed down after I red that ... | 11:03 |
| remaxim | so have a nice day | 11:03 |
| remaxim | bye | 11:03 |
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| paulproteus | rejon, ping, check your mail | 11:49 |
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| rejon | paulproteus: there are just so damn many ;) | 11:51 |
| paulproteus | (-: | 11:52 |
| rejon | paulproteus: no worries | 11:52 |
| paulproteus | Okay, cool. | 11:52 |
| rejon | do we have newer screenshots? | 11:52 |
| paulproteus | I don't think so. I haven't taken any, I'm afraid. | 11:53 |
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| rejon | http://valleywag.com/363098/michael-arrington-places-jimmy-wales-on-suicide-watch | 12:41 |
| rejon | oh shit | 12:41 |
| paulproteus | I find the first comment interesting. | 12:43 |
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| tvol | hey rejon we doing skype or should i call in to conf line? | 12:57 |
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| rejon | tvol | 13:08 |
| rejon | 1 min | 13:08 |
| tvol | rejon affirmativo | 13:08 |
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| CIA-3 | bse * r9254 /ccwordpress/branches/production/ (4 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) | 13:52 |
| CIA-3 | Merged revisions 9252-9253 via svnmerge from | 13:52 |
| CIA-3 | https://cctools.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/cctools/ccwordpress/trunk | 13:52 |
| CIA-3 | ........ | 13:52 |
| CIA-3 | r9252 | bse | 2008-03-03 12:59:23 -0600 (Mon, 03 Mar 2008) | 2 lines | 13:52 |
| CIA-3 | New projects icons | 13:52 |
| CIA-3 | ........ | 13:52 |
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| tvol | hi nathany | 14:30 |
| tvol | nathany nevermind.../me fixed it | 14:49 |
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| Bovinity | paulproteus: not that you need any more incentive for using Git. But, http://www.advogato.org/person/apenwarr/diary/371.html | 15:19 |
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| nathany | paulproteus: Bovinity: rejon: so i'm working on revamping the whole "Developer Challenges" idea on the wiki in preparation for GSoC | 15:39 |
| nathany | I don't love the "Challenge" name -- they're not necessarily challenging, and we're not offering rewards (beyond fame and glory) | 15:39 |
| nathany | any idea for alternate labels? | 15:39 |
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| paulproteus | I don't mind the Challenge name, although iirc you actually did some back in the day. | 15:56 |
| nathany | true | 15:57 |
| nathany | and now that i'm thinking about it, we may as well keep it | 15:57 |
| nathany | nothing obviously better comes to mind | 15:57 |
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| rejon | yah, keep challenge... | 16:19 |
| rejon | smw it | 16:19 |
| rejon | awesome | 16:19 |
| rejon | also, want to do the same for other types, so would be good if we can make like "creative" "science" etc | 16:19 |
| rejon | obviously tech is the first one | 16:20 |
| rejon | challenge is good | 16:20 |
| rejon | we could connect up some reward on the other end | 16:20 |
| rejon | like gsoc mentorship | 16:20 |
| rejon | free hug | 16:20 |
| nathany | I'm just calling them generic "challenges" right now; may deprecated the "Developer Challenges" category in favor of the intersection of Challenge and Develoepr | 16:21 |
| paulproteus | nathany, FWIW in SMW, recall that categories generate RDF with the classOf attribute. | 16:22 |
| paulproteus | So a page that is both a Category:Challenge and category:Developer is exported as a "Developer". | 16:23 |
| paulproteus | Better might be a subcategory of Challenge, "Developer Challenge"? | 16:23 |
| nathany | paulproteus: good point | 16:23 |
| paulproteus | Then a page that has Category:Developer_Challenge is, in fact, a Developer Challenge. | 16:23 |
| rejon | yah, totally great | 16:24 |
| rejon | one project for interns this summer is to run some non-tech challenges | 16:24 |
| rejon | great you are hitting that | 16:24 |
| rejon | I'll jump in too if you make the category to allow more | 16:24 |
| nathany | of course it makes configuring the templates a bit of a pain, sigh... | 16:24 |
| rejon | i sold eric on as well | 16:24 |
| rejon | :( | 16:24 |
| rejon | look at my smiley....so sad | 16:25 |
| nkinkade | Bovinity: do you still plan to use learn-staging at all? | 16:30 |
| Bovinity | nkinkade: in the future, as new learn stuff develops, yes | 16:30 |
| * paulproteus hugs rejon's smiley | 16:31 | |
| nkinkade | I'd like to move it to a8 | 16:31 |
| nkinkade | any reason you can think of that it shouldn't be on a8? | 16:31 |
| Bovinity | was just gonna ask if you were oging to do that. | 16:31 |
| nkinkade | none I can think of. | 16:31 |
| Bovinity | it makes sense | 16:31 |
| nkinkade | It'll still be totally separate ... just want to get all the cclearn stuff in one place. | 16:31 |
| Bovinity | yep | 16:31 |
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| nkinkade | paulproteus: nathany: I'm going to blast the DNS wildcard right now. I've configured everything. Any objections, or just hoorahs? | 16:39 |
| nathany | just hoorahs | 16:40 |
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| Bovinity | hoorah | 16:42 |
| nathany | Bovinity: nkinkade: have either of you started looking @ the CSS things on the wiki i emailed about? | 16:43 |
| nathany | i was going to try and fix now if neither had | 16:44 |
| nkinkade | nathany: I saw the mail but haven't looked at it yet. | 16:46 |
| paulproteus | nathany, Hooray! | 16:46 |
| nathany | nkinkade: i'm fixing now | 16:46 |
| nathany | nevermind | 16:46 |
| paulproteus | nkinkade, I've been waiting for this for YEARS. | 16:46 |
| paulproteus | Okay, maybe not years. | 16:46 |
| paulproteus | nathany, The February fast pass colors were the best I've ever seen. | 16:47 |
| paulproteus | This month's sort of suck. | 16:47 |
| nathany | yeah, it is a let down | 16:47 |
| nathany | esp after the electric pink/blue that was january :) | 16:48 |
| * paulproteus nods and sighs. | 16:48 | |
| Bovinity | i'm gonna miss collecting fast passes | 16:48 |
| nathany | that's the cost of moving under Oakland's ass :) | 16:49 |
| Bovinity | it sure is | 16:49 |
| Bovinity | i can only hope AC Transit has equally creative passes | 16:49 |
| nathany | paulproteus: so obviously the sub-category idea you posited was correct | 16:51 |
| * paulproteus looks forward to the but | 16:51 | |
| nathany | but SF won't let you autocomplete on a category's sub-categories | 16:51 |
| nathany | oh, wait | 16:51 |
| nathany | no, nevermind | 16:51 |
| nathany | it doesn't :) | 16:51 |
| paulproteus | I see. Zen, file a bug! | 16:51 |
| paulproteus | s/file a bug/mail the list/ | 16:52 |
| nathany | fine, suggestions for making it work today? :) | 16:52 |
| nathany | my thought is to use a "fake" enumeration type | 16:52 |
| nkinkade | the wildcard for creativecommons.org is gone. so, rofl.creativecommons.org is now available. | 16:52 |
| Bovinity | finally | 16:53 |
| paulproteus | nathany, Does it really need to work today? | 16:55 |
| paulproteus | Or can it work "in the next few days if Yaron fixes it"? | 16:55 |
| paulproteus | If so, just do it right, and if he doesn't answer then work around it in 3-4d imho. | 16:55 |
| nathany | eh, i suppose | 16:55 |
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| paulproteus | Bovinity, Yeah, I saw this "Git is the new sliced bread^W^WUNIX" essay before. (-: | 17:17 |
| paulproteus | I actually do agree that it's pretty great. | 17:17 |
| paulproteus | I secretly want to write a trivial dirvish (rsync-based backup tool) that uses git. | 17:18 |
| Bovinity | sounds good | 17:18 |
| Bovinity | i've been contemplating how effective git would be for backup usage | 17:19 |
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| isforinsects | paulproteus: did you have a white ibook back in 2004? I think I just found you in a thread on the ubuntu forums... small world. | 17:26 |
| paulproteus | isforinsects, Of course you did. | 17:26 |
| paulproteus | Don't mistake me being famous for it being a small world. | 17:26 |
| paulproteus | (-; | 17:26 |
| nkinkade | nathany: is it a MW config to get get extension versions to display on the Special:Version page or should it do it by default? | 17:31 |
| nathany | extensions typically register a function that MW calls generating that page | 17:31 |
| nathany | if you upgraded something and its not showing up, try "touch"-ing LocalSettings.php to prevent caching | 17:32 |
| nkinkade | Or maybe it's because I'm not logged in ... ? | 17:32 |
| nathany | maybe | 17:32 |
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| CIA-3 | paulproteus * r9255 /liblicense/trunk/.git-svn-fix.sh: trivial git-svn workaround | 18:03 |
| nathany | paulproteus: does liblicense/XMP support SVG? | 18:13 |
| paulproteus | nathany, I don't remember, but I think so? | 18:13 |
| paulproteus | If you want a firmer answer I can spend a few minutes looking into it, but I'd rather fix the bugs I introduced. (-: | 18:14 |
| nathany | not that important | 18:14 |
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| Bovinity | http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2008/03/03/microsoft-s-interoperability-principles-and-ie8.aspx | 19:42 |
| nkinkade | "We think that acting in accordance with principles is important ..." | 19:54 |
| Bovinity | "We decided to keep IE7?s Standards mode available in IE8. Our thinking was that this facility would be helpful as the web moves gradually from the large quantity of legacy content authored around IE7?s behaviors to a new era of much more interoperable and web standards compliant browsers." | 19:54 |
| nkinkade | Did they mean to stay "standards"?? | 19:54 |
| Bovinity | that "new era" started about 7 years ago. | 19:55 |
| nkinkade | It they meant to say principles, I think it's arguable whose principles they are referring to. | 19:55 |
| Bovinity | their own "interoperablity principles" i imagine | 19:56 |
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