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| jakin | tannewt, polo | 01:10 |
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| tannewt | jakin, :-) | 01:10 |
| tannewt | jakin, do you wanna fix all of those issues before the release? | 01:11 |
| jakin | tannewt, hmm, did we ever figure out what the deal is with the sampling licenses? | 01:11 |
| tannewt | jakin, I told nathan that there is incorrect rdf but I'm not sure if he fixed it | 01:12 |
| tannewt | jakin, I think all but one of the licenses is retired | 01:12 |
| jakin | tannewt, i'd take care of them, but i'm not sure what the fix is | 01:13 |
| tannewt | jakin, I think the nc-sampling needs the pcw flag | 01:14 |
| jakin | tannewt, is devnations obsoleted by something, or is it simply retired? | 01:14 |
| tannewt | jakin, retired I think | 01:14 |
| jakin | tannewt, so handling that is too involved for tomorrow, i think | 01:15 |
| tannewt | jakin, I can sort that out tomorrow if needed | 01:15 |
| tannewt | eh? | 01:15 |
| jakin | tannewt, well if we include it, we have to mark it as retired, and we don't have any handling of that | 01:15 |
| tannewt | jakin, couldn't we arbitrarily choose a standard license? | 01:16 |
| * tannewt grins | 01:17 | |
| jakin | tannewt, you mean obsolete it? | 01:17 |
| tannewt | jakin, yeah, to obsolete it | 01:17 |
| tannewt | tannewt, the real phrase is isReplacedBy so we're golden | 01:17 |
| jakin | right, right | 01:18 |
| jakin | tannewt, in that case, devnations has all the flags that by/3.0 has | 01:19 |
| tannewt | ;-) | 01:19 |
| tannewt | jakin, what should we do about unicode? | 01:20 |
| tannewt | I've been ignoring it | 01:20 |
| jakin | tannewt, um, that one seemed to have gone away. i'm confused | 01:20 |
| tannewt | like I always do | 01:20 |
| tannewt | really!? excellent | 01:20 |
| * tannewt grins | 01:20 | |
| jakin | hehe | 01:20 |
| tannewt | we could lump that into 0.4 | 01:20 |
| tannewt | along with the license chooser ruby bindings | 01:21 |
| jakin | tannewt, yeah i wasn't going to worry about ruby. for now, i think i just need to update those licenses | 01:22 |
| tannewt | jakin, okay, I'll update the wiki | 01:22 |
| tannewt | done | 01:25 |
| tannewt | alright, tomorrow morning I'll do the press release to go in the tarball then we can package, release and promote | 01:26 |
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| jakin | tannewt, done... that was easy | 01:27 |
| tannewt | jakin, done with the license stuff? | 01:27 |
| jakin | tannewt, cool, cool. let's hope this release goes a bit smoother | 01:27 |
| jakin | tannewt, yup | 01:27 |
| paulproteus | For Unicode, if you guys don't mind depending on glib, I think they make it easy enough. | 01:27 |
| tannewt | jakin, yeah, we'll do it tuesday if we have to | 01:27 |
| tannewt | paulproteus, I mind | 01:28 |
| tannewt | paulproteus, we already have enough deps as is | 01:28 |
| paulproteus | tannewt, Really? Who possibly doesn't have glib? | 01:28 |
| tannewt | paulproteus, a windows user | 01:28 |
| paulproteus | tannewt, Oh. | 01:28 |
| tannewt | ;-) | 01:28 |
| jakin | tannewt, my thought exactly :-) | 01:28 |
| paulproteus | Like, it's LGPL, Windows users can just get *two* DLLs.... | 01:28 |
| tannewt | maybe we should explore that world for 0.4 or 0.5 | 01:28 |
| tannewt | :-/ | 01:29 |
| jakin | paulproteus, unicode filenames seem to work fine now. i've been trying to make it break, but no dice | 01:29 |
| paulproteus | jakin, Well, I assume you're doing UTF-8, right? | 01:29 |
| tannewt | jakin, I'm thinking more general i18n | 01:29 |
| paulproteus | What about if you try to open a filename given to you in UTF-8 but system locale is Shift-JIS. | 01:29 |
| * tannewt smacks paulproteus | 01:29 | |
| jakin | paulproteus, we haven't explicitly messed with any encoding | 01:30 |
| paulproteus | tannewt, This is why you outsource Unicode. | 01:30 |
| tannewt | paulproteus, lets not talk about it now | 01:30 |
| * tannewt is scared by i18n | 01:30 | |
| tannewt | I'll take it on after the release and the OLPC integration | 01:30 |
| jakin | tannewt, let's just do it all in pictures and never worry about i18n | 01:30 |
| tannewt | jakin, okay | 01:31 |
| tannewt | we could have cursive then | 01:31 |
| tannewt | okay, nintendo time | 01:32 |
| jakin | tannewt, i'm going for 2000 in wii tennis :-P | 01:33 |
| tannewt | jakin, :-P | 01:34 |
| rejon | i18n is super important | 01:38 |
| jakin | tannewt, i forgot to mention the little problem of utils/license failing to compile for me now | 01:39 |
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| tannewt | jakin, whats the error | 01:40 |
| tannewt | ? | 01:40 |
| jakin | tannewt, undefined reference to `dlerror' (and company). For some reason liblicense.so is being linked without -ldl. It's strange, though, that I just started having this problem | 01:41 |
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| jakin | i'm stumped and hoping i'm the only it does this too | 01:43 |
| jakin | it's doing it with a fresh checkout | 01:45 |
| tannewt | jakin, huh, weird | 01:46 |
| jakin | i'm just going around the problem with 'LDFLAGS="-ldl" ./configure' | 01:49 |
| jakin | oh well, not gonna worry about it tonight | 01:51 |
| tannewt | jakin, yeah, I'll try it tomorrow | 01:56 |
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| gavinbaker | paulproteus: let me know if you get .debs of liblicense | 12:17 |
| gavinbaker | i'm happy to test it on pdf | 12:17 |
| gavinbaker | since i wasn't able to achieve satisfactory results any other way | 12:18 |
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| paulproteus | nathany, To defeat threading I'm going to reply to your email here. | 13:01 |
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| nathany | lol | 13:01 |
| nathany | ok | 13:01 |
| paulproteus | Yeah, I'm going to run some tests in IE and see exactly what's annoying it. | 13:01 |
| nathany | great | 13:01 |
| paulproteus | There are two levels of indirection (complete.js -> template.js) after all. | 13:01 |
| paulproteus | BTW, it now uses jurisdiction info. | 13:02 |
| nathany | ok, cool | 13:02 |
| paulproteus | And other than license upgrading, on which there's nothing for me to tell you except "okay", that covers your whole mail. (-: | 13:02 |
| nathany | lol... great, thanks' | 13:02 |
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| rejon | shit, I realized I'm flying out tomorrow around noon | 13:12 |
| rejon | I updated my schedule so hopefully we can all meet today | 13:12 |
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| rejon | themayor: heya, what are you thinking about djs | 13:36 |
| rejon | and timing | 13:36 |
| rejon | seems long to have nonstop djs for entire show time | 13:36 |
| rejon | maybe only first 2-3 hours it opens | 13:36 |
| gavinbaker | hey, will one of you coder d00dz send cameronparkins on here if he's around? :) | 13:41 |
| tannewt | gavinbaker, done | 13:41 |
| gavinbaker | cool tannewt | 13:42 |
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| gavinbaker | hey cameronparkins | 13:42 |
| tannewt | rejon and jakin, can you guys check out the press release in SVN? | 13:42 |
| gavinbaker | we're gonna any of the standard licenses w/o ND | 13:42 |
| cameronparkins | gavinbaker: hey, hows it going | 13:42 |
| gavinbaker | i'll send it to go up on the site soon | 13:42 |
| cameronparkins | ok, cool | 13:43 |
| gavinbaker | i was like, i don't think you want to call your contest 'mashup' and allow noderivs licenses... | 13:43 |
| cameronparkins | haha, very true | 13:44 |
| tannewt | jakin, liblicense still compiles for me | 13:45 |
| jakin | tannewt, i'm gonna call it a fluke. it didn't start happening because of any changes in liblicense | 13:47 |
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| tannewt | jakin, alright | 13:47 |
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| tannewt | jakin, nc-sampling is trumping by-nc-sa | 13:48 |
| paulproteus | In a way, I think that's okay. (-; | 13:51 |
| tannewt | paulproteus, alright, lets lump that into 0.4 | 13:52 |
| tannewt | paulproteus, can you read the PRESS file in svn? | 13:52 |
| jakin | :-) | 13:52 |
| tannewt | yikes, developing nations | 13:53 |
| tannewt | should be by | 13:53 |
| jakin | ? | 13:53 |
| tannewt | through nautilus checking the first three boxes | 13:54 |
| jakin | tannewt, i see 'by'. cache updated? | 13:54 |
| tannewt | jakin, yup, now I get by | 13:55 |
| paulproteus | tannewt, Sure, I'll do that. | 13:56 |
| jakin | tannewt, PRESS looks good | 13:57 |
| tannewt | paulproteus, thanks, once thats good we can package it up | 13:57 |
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| tannewt | nathany and rejon, can you read over the PRESS file in liblicense svn? I can also pastebin it. | 13:58 |
| rejon | yah, one second | 13:58 |
| tannewt | rejon, thanks | 13:58 |
| nathany | tannewt: yeah, give me a minute | 13:58 |
| tannewt | nathany, thanks | 13:59 |
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| paulproteus | It reads to me as a little over-the-top but I'll make some trivial grammar fixes independent of that. | 14:01 |
| paulproteus | Second sentence of your quote isn't actually a sentence, tannewt. | 14:01 |
| tannewt | paulproteus, hehe | 14:02 |
| paulproteus | "Each and every file... has rights" -> "Each and every file...comes with restrictions on its reuse"? | 14:03 |
| paulproteus | Files don't have rights; only people do. | 14:03 |
| tannewt | I dont like the word restriction | 14:03 |
| paulproteus | "Digital Restrictions Management" | 14:04 |
| paulproteus | But anyway, people have rights, not files, and I think that's important. | 14:04 |
| tannewt | paulproteus, alright | 14:04 |
| paulproteus | "Their intention is not to create the means for technologically based rights restriction or digital rights management but to create a system to ease the process of explicating and, conversely, inquiring about a file's rights." could be clearer. | 14:04 |
| paulproteus | "Liblicense aims to present the intentions of the author but not enforce them." - sounds like you're missing a feature. (-; | 14:05 |
| nathany | tannewt: decent framework, but needs to be streamlined and clarified | 14:05 |
| tannewt | paulproteus, how about every file has a creator with rights | 14:05 |
| nathany | i don't think you make a coherent argument that the web has "developed license awareness" (or that this is even the place to make such an argument) | 14:05 |
| nathany | and it feels like a false dychotomy | 14:05 |
| tannewt | nathany, please explain | 14:06 |
| paulproteus | I'm going to make a branch. (-; | 14:07 |
| nathany | license metadata isn't just a desktop issue | 14:07 |
| nathany | it makes it sound like the problem has been solved on the web, which it hasn't | 14:08 |
| tannewt | nathany, but it farther along | 14:08 |
| * tannewt inserts is | 14:08 | |
| gavinbaker | are you concerned that by setting up licensing metadata at the OS level, you set up a standard that if a file doesn't affirmatively allow something, that the computer should prevent it? | 14:09 |
| gavinbaker | after all, code is law... | 14:09 |
| tannewt | gavinbaker, :-D thats addressed in the press release/blog post | 14:09 |
| tannewt | gavinbaker, which will be up later | 14:09 |
| nathany | being further along is not the same as being solved | 14:09 |
| * gavinbaker remembers how happy Microsoft was to sponsor iSummit 06 | 14:10 | |
| gavinbaker | "we like CC because it encourages people to respect copyright" | 14:10 |
| nathany | and i think that the argument you make implies more than you want to | 14:10 |
| nathany | additionally, | 14:10 |
| nathany | " "Once off of the web, the files are on their own. Aw | 14:10 |
| nathany | ay from all of the comforts of the creator's website in the big mess of files th | 14:10 |
| nathany | at we call a desktop computer. When would this all change? When will a license b | 14:10 |
| nathany | e as ubiquitous as a last modified date?" asks Scott Shawcroft, one of the devel | 14:10 |
| nathany | opers of Liblicense. | 14:10 |
| nathany | " | 14:10 |
| tannewt | nathany, alright I'll relax that | 14:10 |
| nathany | reads like a greek tragedy | 14:10 |
| nathany | :) | 14:10 |
| gavinbaker | question about the metadata | 14:11 |
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| gavinbaker | does it actually include license info in the metadata | 14:11 |
| gavinbaker | or does it just point to the license url | 14:11 |
| tannewt | nathany, :-), yeah, I adapted it from my blog post which is kind of eccentric on purpose | 14:11 |
| tannewt | gavinbaker, it varies with the file type | 14:11 |
| gavinbaker | tannewt: yeah, the metadata for html looks like it included license info, but xmp looks like no | 14:12 |
| tannewt | nathany, I can tone it down in the press release | 14:12 |
| nathany | thanks | 14:12 |
| nathany | gavinbaker: what HTML metadata are you referring to? | 14:12 |
| tannewt | gavinbaker, jakin would be the one to talk to it about | 14:12 |
| nathany | the current HTML metadata does *not* include license details; it's an inappropriate level of detail | 14:12 |
| gavinbaker | nathany: the stuff the license generator outputs and tells you to paste into your site | 14:13 |
| gavinbaker | maybe i'm remembering wrong | 14:13 |
| nathany | gavinbaker: you are :) (it used to, but it's been months) | 14:13 |
| rejon | http://wiki.creativecommons.org/SVN | 14:13 |
| gavinbaker | oh whoa what? the license generator doesn't even spit out metadata any more? boo | 14:13 |
| nathany | gavinbaker: no, it does spit out metadata, it just points to the license deed for the actual details | 14:14 |
| gavinbaker | nathany: if by "metadata" you mean rel="license" | 14:14 |
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| nathany | gavinbaker: and i do :) | 14:14 |
| gavinbaker | that doesn't seem like a very flexible way of adding licenses | 14:15 |
| nathany | gavinbaker: we used to do RDF-in-a-comment, which was even more inflexible | 14:15 |
| gavinbaker | and it's easy for someone to copy&paste a license without meaning it | 14:15 |
| gavinbaker | nathany: i liked rdf in a comment :( | 14:15 |
| tannewt | gavinbaker, too bad for them | 14:15 |
| nathany | you were the only one, i guess :) | 14:15 |
| paulproteus | MozCC still likes it, iirc. | 14:15 |
| gavinbaker | how do you tag multiple artifiacts on the same page with different licenses? | 14:15 |
| nathany | it still accepts it | 14:15 |
| nathany | <a href="http://cc.org/licenses/by/3.0/" about="artifact_uri" rel="license">...</a> | 14:16 |
| nathany | see http://rdfa.info | 14:16 |
| nathany | gavinbaker: it's actually just as flexible as rdf-in-a-comment (i think), and better because parsers don't just throw it away | 14:16 |
| gavinbaker | so if it's a page with 5 different images, each has a different license..? | 14:16 |
| nathany | you're asking how to express that? | 14:17 |
| gavinbaker | nathany: right | 14:17 |
| gavinbaker | i know it wasn't any easier with rdf in a comment... just wondering how you'd do that now | 14:17 |
| nathany | assuming you want to provide a link to each license, | 14:17 |
| nathany | you just add about="[img_uri]" rel="license" to each license link | 14:17 |
| nathany | so you're asserting that the image URI is the subject of the tripple | 14:17 |
| gavinbaker | what if it's a block of text, not an image with a uri? | 14:18 |
| nathany | you use an anonymous node; about="#foo" | 14:18 |
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| nathany | (note that you *couldn't* do that with rdf-in-a-comment) | 14:18 |
| nathany | i take that back | 14:18 |
| paulproteus | Not explicitly/machine-parseably, anyway. | 14:19 |
| nathany | you could, just not as flexibly, i think | 14:19 |
| gavinbaker | sorry so how you define the text block? | 14:19 |
| gavinbaker | i've got <div>some cc-licensed text</div> | 14:19 |
| nathany | i think it'd be something like this: | 14:20 |
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| rejon | cool | 14:20 |
| paulproteus | Whoa, hey nkinkade! | 14:20 |
| rejon | heya...need to rebecca an a2 account | 14:20 |
| nkinkade | hi | 14:20 |
| rejon | rrrojer | 14:20 |
| paulproteus | Rebecca became a verb? | 14:20 |
| nkinkade | what kind of account? a login account? | 14:21 |
| rejon | for testing some web stuff for marking project | 14:21 |
| rejon | ssh | 14:21 |
| nathany | <div id="foo">...</div><a href="http://license" rel="license" about="#foo">..</a> | 14:21 |
| rejon | nonsudo | 14:21 |
| tannewt | paulproteus, should I just modify your PRESS.asheesh file as PRESS? | 14:21 |
| nkinkade | what username would you like? | 14:21 |
| gavinbaker | nathany: and that should work, because although you'd already be using id="foo" for your css, you only use id's once so there's no collission | 14:21 |
| paulproteus | tannewt, Well, I want you to be able to see the diff eventually. | 14:21 |
| paulproteus | And I'm not done, either. | 14:21 |
| nkinkade | i'll send it to you otherwise ... | 14:21 |
| gavinbaker | nathany: right? | 14:22 |
| tannewt | paulproteus, oh alright, it'll be a nightmare to diff so I'll just wait | 14:22 |
| gavinbaker | nathany: could you define a license for a class rather than an id? | 14:22 |
| nathany | gavinbaker: yes, you'd only use it once, but i don't use it twice in that example | 14:22 |
| paulproteus | Whoa, license for a class. | 14:22 |
| gavinbaker | nathany: i'm saying if it's valid css, id only gets used once, so it's kosher :) | 14:22 |
| nathany | gavinbaker: i don't think so -- seems like that multiplies you're hand-waving "copy and paste unintentionally" argument | 14:23 |
| nkinkade | jon, let's talk about this somewhere other than irc | 14:23 |
| nathany | gavinbaker: yes, it's fine; paulproteus says we're agreeing :) | 14:23 |
| gavinbaker | nathany: well let's say e.g. you're pasting multiple long excerpts from a cc licensed text... | 14:23 |
| gavinbaker | you can't use the same id because there's more than 1 | 14:24 |
| gavinbaker | but it's silly to have to define the license 5 separate times for content with the same source+license? | 14:24 |
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| paulproteus | Well, we can hope that In The Future your copy-paste tool pushes the license through too. | 14:24 |
| paulproteus | (For example.) | 14:24 |
| nathany | right | 14:24 |
| gavinbaker | paulproteus: not a far step from there to your copy-paste tool preventing you from pasting if it's not licensed ;) | 14:25 |
| gavinbaker | a wink is not really the emoticon i wish to express there | 14:25 |
| nathany | gavinbaker: i see your point, don't htink it's a huge issue | 14:25 |
| nathany | and don't think it's any more onerous than rdf-in-a-comment was | 14:26 |
| gavinbaker | but that aside. if you can assign a license to an id (which is very clever btw), it seems even cleverer to be able to assign a license to a class | 14:26 |
| nathany | eh, maybe | 14:27 |
| gavinbaker | btw, if this is non-obvious to me, it'll be even more so for the 99% of users who never think twice about their cc license | 14:27 |
| gavinbaker | so it might helpful to have some more detail @ http://wiki.creativecommons.org/HOWTO_Tag_HTML_pages | 14:27 |
| * gavinbaker goes back to work, stops bugging the poor #cc guys | 14:28 | |
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| nathany | gavingbaker: good point, although you'd be surprised how many people were completely confused by the RDF-in-a-comment | 14:33 |
| nathany | ideally the metadata is completely transparent | 14:33 |
| cchelpbot | NOTICE: SF.net SVN: cctools: [6452] liblicense/trunk/PRESS: Revision: 6452 http://cctools.svn.sourceforge.net/cctools/?rev=6452&view=rev Author: kidproto Date: 2007-07-30 11:31:08 -0700 (Mon, 30 Jul 2007) Log Message: ----------- did in CC style, added one contact... Modified Paths: -------------- liblicense/trunk/PRESS This was sent by the SourceForge.net | 14:33 |
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| * gavinbaker will always remember rdf-in-a-comment *sniff* | 14:37 | |
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| themayor | rejon: yo | 14:57 |
| themayor | i think let them go as long as they want | 14:57 |
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| themayor | maybe we can have some guest djs come by | 14:57 |
| themayor | and im sure we will find some people with some SWEET dj skillz who will stop by, see whats going on and join us | 14:57 |
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| cameronparkins_ | gavinbaker: http://creativecommons.org/weblog/entry/7587 | 15:05 |
| cchelpbot | NOTICE: SF.net SVN: cctools: [6455] liblicense/trunk/PRESS.asheesh: Revision: 6455 http://cctools.svn.sourceforge.net/cctools/?rev=6455&view=rev Author: paulproteus Date: 2007-07-30 12:02:35 -0700 (Mon, 30 Jul 2007) Log Message: ----------- a leetle betta Modified Paths: -------------- liblicense/trunk/PRESS.asheesh This was sent by the SourceForge.net | 15:05 |
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| cameronparkins_ | let me know if you see anything | 15:05 |
| cameronparkins_ | lunch just arrived but ill check back in a sec | 15:05 |
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| gavinbaker | cameronparkins_: looks good to me! | 15:07 |
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| gavinbaker | thanks cameronparkins_ | 15:22 |
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| cchelpbot | NOTICE: SF.net SVN: cctools: [6456] liblicense/trunk/PRESS.asheesh: Revision: 6456 http://cctools.svn.sourceforge.net/cctools/?rev=6456&view=rev Author: paulproteus Date: 2007-07-30 13:52:31 -0700 (Mon, 30 Jul 2007) Log Message: ----------- show this to someone else please Modified Paths: -------------- liblicense/trunk/PRESS.asheesh This was sent by the | 16:52 |
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| cchelpbot | NOTICE: SF.net SVN: cctools: [6457] liblicense/trunk/PRESS: Revision: 6457 http://cctools.svn.sourceforge.net/cctools/?rev=6457&view=rev Author: tannewt Date: 2007-07-30 13:55:52 -0700 (Mon, 30 Jul 2007) Log Message: ----------- Asheesh's version with CC formating. Modified Paths: -------------- liblicense/trunk/PRESS This was sent by the SourceForge.net | 16:56 |
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| cameronparkins | rejon: are you cool to meet? | 16:57 |
| rejon | aren't you meeting with tvol? | 16:57 |
| rejon | i need a break first | 16:57 |
| tannewt | paulproteus, should we mention the license? | 16:57 |
| tvol | rejon i can meet with him, i thought you were scheduled | 16:57 |
| paulproteus | tannewt, Oh, maybe. | 16:57 |
| rejon | yah, for 1-1:30 | 16:58 |
| rejon | but that whole thing ran over | 16:58 |
| cameronparkins | alright cool, tvol and i are meeting....NOW | 17:00 |
| cameronparkins | boo yah | 17:00 |
| tvol | cameronparkins fine | 17:00 |
| tannewt | jakin, so I need to add the PRESS file to EXTRA_DIST? | 17:00 |
| jakin | tannewt, yup | 17:01 |
| rejon | also, you need to run wrap on that at 75 characters | 17:01 |
| tannewt | rejon, alright | 17:02 |
| rejon | use the `fmt` command | 17:02 |
| rejon | for emailing out in bulk... | 17:02 |
| tannewt | rejon, sweet | 17:02 |
| tannewt | rejon, emailing? | 17:02 |
| rejon | emailing out press/announcements | 17:02 |
| tannewt | okay | 17:02 |
| rejon | ppl get annoyed when it breaks up funky | 17:03 |
| tannewt | yeah | 17:03 |
| rejon | in cchost actually have a press.in | 17:03 |
| rejon | that is read in and converted to html and 75 char | 17:03 |
| rejon | anyway.... | 17:03 |
| rejon | press is so underdone on projects... | 17:03 |
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| tannewt | rejon, should we mention the license its available under? | 17:12 |
| rejon | yes | 17:12 |
| rejon | absolutely | 17:12 |
| rejon | underline underscore | 17:12 |
| tannewt | paulproteus, the copying file stil has the GPL text in it | 17:14 |
| cchelpbot | NOTICE: SF.net SVN: cctools: [6458] liblicense/trunk: Revision: 6458 http://cctools.svn.sourceforge.net/cctools/?rev=6458&view=rev Author: tannewt Date: 2007-07-30 14:11:04 -0700 (Mon, 30 Jul 2007) Log Message: ----------- New formatting and is now added to packages. Modified Paths: -------------- liblicense/trunk/Makefile.am liblicense/trunk/PRESS This | 17:14 |
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| paulproteus | tannewt, Well, by Jove, fix that. (-: | 17:14 |
| tannewt | jakin, does all of the kde files have license notifications? | 17:16 |
| tannewt | s/does/do | 17:16 |
| paulproteus | nathany, any objection to me installing VNC on the Windows machine so I can IE test without getting up? | 17:16 |
| nathany | none | 17:17 |
| nathany | i'm all about laziness ;) | 17:17 |
| jakin | tannewt, notifications? | 17:17 |
| tannewt | jakin, the header with the copyright stuff | 17:17 |
| jakin | tannewt, oh... i'm not sure :-/ | 17:18 |
| tannewt | jakin, check, I didn't put it on my gnome stuff | 17:18 |
| jakin | tannewt, yup, all LGPL :-) | 17:19 |
| tannewt | jakin, alright, sweet | 17:19 |
| cchelpbot | NOTICE: SF.net SVN: cctools: [6459] liblicense/trunk: Revision: 6459 http://cctools.svn.sourceforge.net/cctools/?rev=6459&view=rev Author: tannewt Date: 2007-07-30 14:20:13 -0700 (Mon, 30 Jul 2007) Log Message: ----------- Added license info. Modified Paths: -------------- liblicense/trunk/COPYING liblicense/trunk/PRESS liblicense/trunk/src/gnome/default- | 17:20 |
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| tannewt | jakin, oooh, USE flags | 17:27 |
| jakin | tannewt, of course :-) | 17:28 |
| cameronparkins | jakin: hey man, would you be interested in hanging out at the CC booth at linuxworld? | 17:28 |
| cameronparkins | it would involve some talking to people about CC | 17:29 |
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| jakin | cameronparkins, errr, it's a possibility... | 17:29 |
| cameronparkins | jakin: no pressure, don't feel obligated | 17:29 |
| rejon | do feel obligated | 17:30 |
| tannewt | hehe | 17:30 |
| jakin | i'm not the best "salesman" | 17:30 |
| cameronparkins | scratch that, feel really obligated | 17:30 |
| cameronparkins | neither am i | 17:30 |
| cameronparkins | its all nerds anyways | 17:30 |
| jakin | hehe | 17:30 |
| rejon | i just punch ppl in face and say take this now! | 17:30 |
| jakin | at the moment, i'm just thinking about getting there, period | 17:30 |
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| paulproteus | rejon's not kidding. | 17:32 |
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| rejon | punch is metaphorical | 17:34 |
| paulproteus | Not for everyone, it's not. | 17:35 |
| * tannewt grins | 17:35 | |
| jakin | well, it's something to keep in mind... | 17:36 |
| tannewt | jakin, what is? | 17:36 |
| jakin | rejon's strategy | 17:36 |
| tannewt | jakin, yeah | 17:36 |
| tannewt | jakin, ebuild works for me | 17:38 |
| jakin | tannewt, sweet, which USE flags? | 17:39 |
| tannewt | USE="flac mp3 python vorbis xml gnome -ole -ruby sqlite3 taglib xmp" | 17:39 |
| jakin | tannewt, cool, cool | 17:40 |
| * jakin wonders what "gnome -python" would do | 17:40 | |
| bov | an earth shattering paradox | 17:41 |
| tannewt | jakin, I think I wrote the makefile so that gnome doesn't happen without python enabled | 17:41 |
| jakin | yup... i wonder how the ebuild should handle that. explicitly fail and say why? | 17:42 |
| tannewt | I know I've seen, "please compile package x with use flag y" | 17:44 |
| jakin | yeah, although this is within the same package | 17:45 |
| cameronparkins | rejon: wanna rock it | 17:45 |
| tannewt | yeah I know | 17:45 |
| cameronparkins | lil weezy style | 17:45 |
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| rejon | yah, one sec...bowizlle | 17:46 |
| tannewt | jakin, looks like make dist works | 17:46 |
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| jakin | tannewt, tarball almost set? | 17:49 |
| tannewt | jakin, just waiting on the PRESS file | 17:49 |
| jakin | tannewt, should it fails if "gnome" is set without "python" or just given a warning? probably fail. | 17:50 |
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| tannewt | jakin, its up to you, I'd say warning | 17:50 |
| jakin | tannewt, i don't like warning because liblicense is built with "gnome" but still doesn't have gnome integration | 17:51 |
| tannewt | jakin, true | 17:51 |
| jakin | tannewt, okay, die it is. it can always be changed later | 17:52 |
| nathany | tannewt: http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Liblicense_tutorial#Graphical_License_Chooser | 17:53 |
| nathany | a *bit* of voodoo? | 17:53 |
| nathany | what the fuck? voodoo is evil, even a bit | 17:53 |
| jakin | nathany, that's my doing | 17:53 |
| nathany | ok | 17:53 |
| nathany | jakin: what the fuck? | 17:53 |
| nathany | :) | 17:53 |
| jakin | hehe | 17:53 |
| nathany | yeah, i'm a little sleep deprived from Dore Alley this weekend, but there's no way I'd find myself using bit-shifting and bare integers and python | 17:54 |
| nathany | so constants, a wrapper interface, something | 17:54 |
| nathany | not that | 17:54 |
| jakin | yeah, it's going to be wrapped | 17:54 |
| jakin | i've been working on getting a release out today | 17:55 |
| nathany | does that seem a little backwards? | 17:55 |
| jakin | i was pretty excited that is just plain worked | 17:55 |
| nathany | releasing and promoting before we have a sane API? | 17:55 |
| jakin | :-/ | 17:55 |
| nathany | i'm excited, too... just sayin | 17:55 |
| jakin | i've been working with killing bugs | 17:56 |
| nathany | good | 17:56 |
| jakin | nathany, the api won't change, i'll just add a wrapper around the (1<<X) bits that does that stuff for them | 17:57 |
| jakin | something like, permits = FLAG("http://creativecommons.org/#Attribution") | FLAG("...") | 17:58 |
| nathany | jakin: i understand that | 17:58 |
| nathany | i'm just saying that what we have now is not a comprehensible API for Python developers | 17:59 |
| jakin | nathany, then the only thing i can say is push the release back and I'll fix it then | 17:59 |
| nathany | jakin: what's driving the need for a release? | 18:00 |
| tannewt | nathany, me | 18:01 |
| tannewt | nathany, I wanna release before I embark on the OLPC stuff | 18:01 |
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| tannewt | nathany, which I wanna have working for linuxworld | 18:01 |
| nathany | tannewt: i get that, but isn't the OLPC stuff going to be Python? i guess i don't understand why we're spending a day (or more) on a release in preparation for a new feature (OLPC) when the release doesn't have the infrastructure that feature needs (Python bindings) | 18:03 |
| tannewt | nathany, we have python bindings | 18:03 |
| nathany | (ok, it has them; but bit shifting bare integers is a shade this side of crazy) | 18:03 |
| tannewt | nathany, it'll be fixed in 0.4 which is only a week or two out | 18:04 |
| tannewt | nathany, additionally, hopefully, much of the license choosing will be done with our gtk chooser | 18:04 |
| tannewt | nathany, and that way they dont deal with bit shifting | 18:04 |
| nathany | fair enough... but let's just say this: no bare-integer bit shifting in 0.4 | 18:05 |
| nathany | not even in our own Python | 18:05 |
| nathany | it's bad karma | 18:05 |
| tannewt | nathany, alright | 18:05 |
| nathany | and frankly, just sloppy | 18:05 |
| jakin | nathany, it's not sloppy for early code, and i never intended to leave it this way | 18:07 |
| tannewt | nathany, well, jakin posted to cc-devel about it too | 18:07 |
| tannewt | nathany, if we weren't minutes from the release we could fix it | 18:07 |
| * tannewt points nathany to http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/cc-devel/2007-July/000539.html | 18:07 | |
| nathany | thanks for the pointer, tannewt; since it came out over the weekend, it's still in my "to review" queue | 18:08 |
| nathany | i'll try to provide some constructive feedback in the thread | 18:08 |
| tannewt | nathany, thanks, don't worry about it, 0.4 will be out before you know | 18:09 |
| nathany | and jakin: i respectfully disagree. it's sloppy. (and code you release isn't "early") | 18:09 |
| nathany | tannewt: has the press release been revised? | 18:09 |
| tannewt | nathany, yeah, its in svn | 18:09 |
| tannewt | nathany, http://cctools.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/cctools/liblicense/trunk/PRESS?view=markup | 18:09 |
| jakin | nathany, it's a clean design, i just never wrapped the bit shifting | 18:09 |
| cchelpbot | NOTICE: SF.net SVN: cctools: [6460] liblicense/trunk: Revision: 6460 http://cctools.svn.sourceforge.net/cctools/?rev=6460&view=rev Author: tannewt Date: 2007-07-30 15:08:25 -0700 (Mon, 30 Jul 2007) Log Message: ----------- PRESS fixes and removed two trailing slashes. Modified Paths: -------------- liblicense/trunk/PRESS | 18:11 |
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| tannewt | thank you cchelpbot | 18:11 |
| tannewt | nathany, let me know when you okay the press release | 18:13 |
| nathany | tannewt: will do; did you happen to ask eric to look over it? | 18:13 |
| tannewt | nathany, yup, he did | 18:13 |
| nathany | ok, thanks | 18:14 |
| tannewt | nathany, np | 18:14 |
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| nathany | tannewt: looks good | 18:18 |
| tannewt | nathany, sweet | 18:18 |
| nathany | tannewt (note that i updated in svn) | 18:18 |
| tannewt | nathany, yup, thanks | 18:19 |
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| tannewt | jakin, we good for the tag? | 18:23 |
| jakin | tannewt, yup | 18:23 |
| tannewt | jakin, done | 18:23 |
| * tannewt cringes the README says 0.2 | 18:24 | |
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| jakin | tannewt, :-( | 18:29 |
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| tannewt | jakin, its already fixed | 18:30 |
| jakin | yeah, it's just more modifying "fixed" tags :-P | 18:31 |
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| tannewt | jakin, hehe, shhh dont tell | 18:31 |
| jakin | tannewt, got it ;-) | 18:31 |
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| tannewt | tarballs are up | 18:43 |
| tannewt | paulproteus, packaging time | 18:45 |
| tannewt | jakin, wanna start a 04 todo? | 18:46 |
| paulproteus | tannewt, Oh, interesting. | 18:46 |
| paulproteus | I'm fixing what might be the last real IE bug in JsWidget right nwo. | 18:46 |
| paulproteus | now, even. | 18:46 |
| tannewt | paulproteus, nice, package after :-) | 18:46 |
| jakin | tannewt, i suppose. what goes in it (besides the obvious) | 18:47 |
| tannewt | jakin, just start it and I'll brain dump to it later | 18:47 |
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| jakin | tannewt, where's a good place for the ebuild? | 18:51 |
| tannewt | jakin, what do you mean? where should we put it up? | 18:51 |
| jakin | tannewt, yeah | 18:51 |
| tannewt | jakin, good question | 18:52 |
| tannewt | rejon, any ideas? | 18:52 |
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| rejon | post to gentoo tracker | 18:52 |
| rejon | try to get it in there | 18:52 |
| rejon | post up the ebuild like you would any package | 18:52 |
| jakin | tannewt, i'm not even sure what form it should be in | 18:52 |
| rejon | .ebuild | 18:52 |
| tannewt | rejon, he has ebuilds for exempi and nautilus-python too | 18:53 |
| paulproteus | bov, rejon, BTW IE issues fixed. | 18:53 |
| bov | rad | 18:53 |
| jakin | it'd be nice to have it as an overlay. we want it to be easy | 18:53 |
| jakin | and not make people fetch the ebuilds from all over | 18:53 |
| tannewt | jakin, you could put it in sunrise | 18:54 |
| jakin | tannewt, the exempi ebuild isn't mine... i fetched that from the tracker | 18:54 |
| rejon | jakin: please post them up to gentoo tracker with the ebuild as attachment | 18:54 |
| rejon | we should try to get them into the distros | 18:55 |
| rejon | gentoo first...because we use it ;) | 18:55 |
| paulproteus | So far I've blue-screened the Windows box at least two or three times in the past hour. | 18:55 |
| jakin | rejon, i think that's the long-term solution | 18:55 |
| rejon | this is true | 18:56 |
| rejon | for now, post up your ebuilds onto our sf.net and to gentoo bugtracker if you get time | 18:56 |
| jakin | but telling people to go to X, Y, and Z for the ebuilds they need doesn't make it much easier | 18:56 |
| rejon | that is true | 18:56 |
| jakin | rejon, will do | 18:56 |
| rejon | yah, man, still want to get cchost packages into distros | 18:57 |
| rejon | just not enough time | 18:57 |
| tannewt | jakin, the tracker? | 18:57 |
| jakin | tannewt, yeah | 18:58 |
| tannewt | jakin, whats the tracker? | 18:58 |
| jakin | oh, gentoo tracker | 18:58 |
| tannewt | jakin, link? | 18:59 |
| jakin | tannewt, http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=185689 | 19:00 |
| tannewt | jakin, ah, okay | 19:00 |
| jakin | how about I upload to sf the ebuilds in the form of a tarball'ed overlay, and then submit the ebuilds to gentoo bugzilla? | 19:05 |
| tannewt | jakin, I'm fine with that, rejon? | 19:05 |
| rejon | sure | 19:06 |
| nathany | paulproteus: is the development version (and/or demo page) of jswidget available on api.cc.org yet? | 19:09 |
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| paulproteus | nathany, Yes, http://labs.creativecommons.org/jswidget/trunk/example_web_app/ is a sample web app that depends on the installation on api-dot.B | 19:09 |
| paulproteus | nathany, Basically the wiki page is up to date. | 19:09 |
| paulproteus | nathany, Ignore that stray 'B'. | 19:10 |
| nathany | ok, thanks | 19:10 |
| paulproteus | (And replace /trunk/ with /tags/0.1 or /tags/0.2/ if you like; both work with app on labs with JS on api.) | 19:10 |
| paulproteus | Working now on alerting the user to an upgraded license version. | 19:10 |
| nathany | thanks | 19:11 |
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| paulproteus | I'm wondering slightly where to put it, but I expect that before 1.0 we'll have Alex run through this and make it Truly Look Nice so I won't worry about it too much. | 19:12 |
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| tannewt | should I make a bunch of rpms for all of the modules or just one? | 19:14 |
| paulproteus | tannewt, If the dependencies aren't too much of a pain, I'd say one RPM. | 19:14 |
| paulproteus | If they are, then I guess multiple. | 19:14 |
| paulproteus | Generally, since you are upstream, I'd say do as little packaging work as possible and get a real distribution packager to package your work well for that distro. | 19:15 |
| tannewt | paulproteus, alright, one it is | 19:15 |
| jakin | nautilus-python doesn't even have a homepage :-/ the ebuild needs one | 19:16 |
| paulproteus | www.example.com (-; | 19:17 |
| jakin | that's not something that'll get accepted into gentoo :-P | 19:18 |
| luisv | jakin: viewcvs | 19:20 |
| jakin | luisv, i was debating between that and the release directory | 19:20 |
| paulproteus | nathany, Is it reasonable to assume that any two different version numbers mean that we upgraded the license? | 19:21 |
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| jakin | alright, we've got bug 187196, 185689, and 187194 in gentoo's bugzilla | 19:30 |
| tannewt | jakin, rock on | 19:30 |
| jakin | where do i upload to on sf? | 19:31 |
| jakin | or who can i send it to to upload? ;-) | 19:31 |
| tannewt | jakin, I can upload it | 19:32 |
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| jakin | tannewt, okay i'll double-check it and then email it | 19:34 |
| tannewt | jakin, okay | 19:34 |
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| * jakin still can't emerge liblicense without LDFLAGS="-ldl" | 19:41 | |
| paulproteus | jakin, Are you on Solaris or something? | 19:42 |
| jakin | gentoo... and it works fine for tannewt | 19:42 |
| paulproteus | Boy, isn't Gentoo great? | 19:42 |
| jakin | ah, jump straight to blaming Gentoo :-P | 19:43 |
| paulproteus | I used Gentoo for a short while on my Xbox. | 19:43 |
| paulproteus | Anyway, I've flamed enough for now. | 19:44 |
| tannewt | paulproteus, thanks, I'm burnt to a crisp | 19:44 |
| jakin | tannewt, email sent | 19:44 |
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| jakin | tannewt, should i make a Liblicense_04_release_todo? and include the features we want there | 19:46 |
| tannewt | jakin, yeah | 19:47 |
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| tannewt | jakin, the overlay is up | 19:59 |
| jakin | tannewt, sweet | 20:00 |
| jakin | tannewt, are debs and rpms coming? | 20:02 |
| tannewt | jakin, I'm working on an rpm | 20:02 |
| jakin | alright, i'm taking a break. i'm going to find something to make for lunch/dinner | 20:03 |
| tannewt | jakin, alright, thanks | 20:04 |
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| tannewt | paulproteus, you packaging yet? | 20:07 |
| paulproteus | tannewt, No, working on a jswidget thing first... | 20:07 |
| paulproteus | Are you guys intent on getting packages out today or something? | 20:08 |
| tannewt | paulproteus, alright, I'll just keep bugging you | 20:08 |
| paulproteus | tannewt, Sounds good. | 20:08 |
| tannewt | paulproteus, it'd be nice because I plan on doing publicity stuff tomorrow morning | 20:08 |
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| fdgf | i need a CC valide plz | 20:11 |
| paulproteus | fdgf, You can get one from http://creativecommons.org/. | 20:12 |
| paulproteus | (-; | 20:12 |
| fdgf | ok | 20:12 |
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| cchelpbot | NOTICE: SF.net SVN: cctools: [6470] jswidget/trunk/example_web_app/ with-seed-old-version.html: Revision: 6470 http://cctools.svn.sourceforge.net/cctools/?rev=6470&view=rev Author: paulproteus Date: 2007-07-30 17:11:17 -0700 (Mon, 30 Jul 2007) Log Message: ----------- adding a test page that shows what happens when you seed with an old license version | 20:13 |
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| * tannewt wonders if luisv is around | 20:14 | |
| luisv | yo | 20:14 |
| tannewt | luisv, would you be willing to test an i386 rpm for me? | 20:14 |
| luisv | sure | 20:14 |
| tannewt | luisv, whats your email? | 20:15 |
| luisv | luis.villa@gmail.com is most direct | 20:15 |
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| tannewt | luisv, sent, you going to look at it now? | 20:18 |
| luisv | got it | 20:18 |
| luisv | will test now | 20:18 |
| tannewt | luisv, sweet, thanks | 20:19 |
| paulproteus | tannewt, I'm going to take a quick walk outside and then see about that packaging. | 20:21 |
| tannewt | paulproteus, awesome, thanks, I'm gonna leave pretty soon | 20:21 |
| luisv | hrm | 20:22 |
| luisv | I seem to have blown up my rpmdb this afternoon. | 20:22 |
| paulproteus | Don't know if I'll actually finish them, but hopefully I'll start 'em tonight. | 20:22 |
| tannewt | paulproteus, thats alright | 20:22 |
| tannewt | luisv, so its not my rpm's fault right? | 20:22 |
| luisv | no | 20:23 |
| tannewt | luisv, okay :-) | 20:23 |
| luisv | I upgraded something this afternoon, completely unrelated | 20:23 |
| luisv | and it looks like whole bunches of things broke apparently | 20:23 |
| luisv | mumble. | 20:24 |
| tannewt | luisv, yikes | 20:24 |
| luisv | well, my system works fine | 20:26 |
| luisv | everything except software installation | 20:26 |
| luisv | it looks like. | 20:26 |
| luisv | mumble. | 20:26 |
| luisv | anyway | 20:27 |
| luisv | I'll try to fix this | 20:27 |
| luisv | but it may be a while before I can give you any feedback | 20:27 |
| tannewt | luisv, alright, I'm gonna make my way home, email me when you get your system fixed | 20:27 |
| luisv | sure | 20:28 |
| tannewt | luisv, thanks for doing that | 20:28 |
| luisv | np | 20:28 |
| luisv | tannewt: ah, fixed (if you're still here) | 20:29 |
| luisv | tannewt: fedora appears to have no installable exempi packages | 20:30 |
| tannewt | luisv, yeah, I'm still here | 20:30 |
| tannewt | luisv, right, I had to pull it off koji, it was built yesterday | 20:30 |
| luisv | koji link? | 20:30 |
| tannewt | luisv, http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=12265 | 20:30 |
| luisv | thanks | 20:31 |
| tannewt | luisv, yup | 20:31 |
| luisv | huh, in updates-testing? | 20:31 |
| * luisv wonders why it isn't showing up for me | 20:31 | |
| paulproteus | tannewt, going to see about packaging your liblicense stuff up now. | 20:32 |
| tannewt | paulproteus, sweet, thanks | 20:32 |
| tannewt | luisv, any luck? | 20:38 |
| luisv | tannewt: yeah, writing an email, thought you left :) | 20:38 |
| tannewt | luisv, nope, just haven't been working | 20:39 |
| luisv | jeez, there are a *lot* of licenses packaged in there :) | 20:39 |
| tannewt | luisv, yup | 20:39 |
| paulproteus | I'm going to load this package up with build-depends like there's no tomorrow. | 20:39 |
| paulproteus | KDE no | 20:39 |
| paulproteus | Hey, does that stuff exist/work? | 20:39 |
| tannewt | paulproteus, it exists, its KDE4, stuff | 20:39 |
| paulproteus | Freaky-deaky. | 20:39 |
| paulproteus | Guess I won't build it. | 20:40 |
| tannewt | paulproteus, I'd leave it disabled | 20:40 |
| tannewt | luisv, alright, I'm really gone this time, thanks | 20:41 |
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| jakin | paulproteus, the kde4 stuff does work, but it's there more for preparation of kde4. it shouldn't be enabled now. | 20:48 |
| paulproteus | jakin, Sounds good. | 20:48 |
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| tannewt | luisv, thanks for the email | 23:27 |
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| luisv | np, hope it was useful | 23:28 |
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| luisv | obviously could have been better :) | 23:28 |
| tannewt | luisv, yeah, I'll add the feedback to our 0.4 todo list | 23:28 |
| tannewt | luisv, the only weird thing is /usr/src/debug | 23:29 |
| luisv | I just did rpm -ql and looked through the output | 23:30 |
| tannewt | luisv, alright, not sure why that would be in there | 23:30 |
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| luisv | not a huge deal | 23:36 |
| luisv | but some nitpickers will let you know if I don't ;) | 23:36 |
| tannewt | luisv, okay, now it does not include /usr/src | 23:43 |
| luisv | cool | 23:43 |
| luisv | (though I wish all this packaging were easier) | 23:43 |
| tannewt | luisv, yup, well, I was going to split it up but just wanted to get this release out the door | 23:44 |
| luisv | yeah, totally understandable | 23:44 |
| tannewt | luisv, it'll be done for the next release | 23:44 |
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| luisv | tannewt: cool | 23:54 |
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