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| luisv | hrm | 00:51 |
| luisv | where should I direct liveCD feedback? | 00:51 |
| luisv | (more precise than 'holy crap that is awesome' | 00:52 |
| luisv | ) | 00:52 |
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| gavinbaker | paulproteus: for the record, there is a way to browse jamendo by license | 00:56 |
| gavinbaker | but not search, as far as i can tell | 00:57 |
| bovinity | luisv, go for it, http://wiki.creativecommons.org/LiveContent#ccLiveContent_v1.0_-_testing_feedback | 00:58 |
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| luisv | (though seriously, overall.. *awesome*.) | 00:59 |
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| luisv | I am surprised not to see Free Culture in the text folder :) | 01:15 |
| luisv | ooh. | 01:18 |
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| mutante_ | i use cc by-nc-sa/2.5/ license on my mediawiki installation, when somebody clicks the link in my wiki footer there is the comment "A new version of this license is available. You should use it for new works, and you may want to relicense existing works under it. No works are automatically put under the new license, however." which links to by-nc-sa/3.0/ . Now i wonder if i should just change $wgRightsUrl ,$wgRightsPage $wgRightsText and $wgRightsIcon all to 3.0 i | 12:08 |
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| luisv | rejon: ping? | 15:49 |
| luisv | hrm, brb | 15:49 |
| rejon | heya | 15:51 |
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| luisv | rejon: hey | 15:54 |
| paulproteus | mutante_, If it's your wiki, and you want to upgrade, yes you should do that! | 15:54 |
| luisv | rejon: have you (or anyone else) written publicly about the open services problem from a CC perspective? | 15:54 |
| paulproteus | luisv, Hey, what do you mean open services problem? | 15:55 |
| luisv | I've seen some mlinksva posts on the problem, but they've been sort of generic | 15:55 |
| paulproteus | mutante_, You just shouldn't do that if you don't want to upgrade, or if there is text written by other people on your wiki - you need all authors' permission to change the license. | 15:55 |
| rejon | luisv: no, have not written about it | 15:55 |
| luisv | paulproteus: http://gondwanaland.com/mlog/2006/07/06/constitutionally-open-services/ | 15:56 |
| rejon | that is a big mike write-up | 15:56 |
| luisv | rejon: OK, I'm just putting together a collection of links for research/review/idea-stimulation, and thought I'd gather as much info as I could :) | 15:56 |
| rejon | yes, that is good | 15:57 |
| paulproteus | Hey, luisv! | 15:57 |
| rejon | I will give you my brain dump when we chat on monday :) | 15:57 |
| paulproteus | Want to help me fight back against the domination of web apps? | 15:57 |
| rejon | plus, just see where redhat and cc positions are, etc | 15:57 |
| luisv | I'm actually not bothered by the domination of web apps | 15:57 |
| luisv | if we can figure out a way to ensure that they provide the same user freedoms that free client software does | 15:58 |
| luisv | which is what I'm trying to work on ATM. | 15:58 |
| paulproteus | luisv, Interesting. Why would they ever let you customize the software package running remotely, though? | 15:58 |
| rejon | yah, gotta have a layer of freedom in there | 15:58 |
| paulproteus | It loses for the economy of scale. | 15:58 |
| rejon | into the diversity of of servcies, etc | 15:58 |
| paulproteus | s/for the/for them the/ | 15:58 |
| rejon | must be equvalent to GPL/LGPL etc for services, etc | 15:59 |
| rejon | AGPL | 15:59 |
| mutante_ | paulproteus: about 70% of the text is mine, but of course there are many edits by others, its a public wiki | 15:59 |
| mutante_ | paulproteus: it seems close to impossible to ask all of them, including the edits by IP adresses | 15:59 |
| luisv | I'm not sure we have a good answer to the why | 15:59 |
| paulproteus | mutante_, Yeah, exactly. | 16:00 |
| rejon | yes, there is much to get sorted out | 16:00 |
| luisv | but it wasn't entirely clear we had a good answer to the why (business-wise) in the 80s when FSF started either | 16:00 |
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| rejon | a big data cloud | 16:00 |
| rejon | so everything is not just locked up in the power of a few | 16:00 |
| rejon | hands | 16:00 |
| rejon | paulproteus: is there a demo of the jswidget running anywhere? | 16:01 |
| paulproteus | rejon, Data is not enough; applications need freedom, too. | 16:01 |
| luisv | yeah | 16:01 |
| luisv | man | 16:01 |
| luisv | shame there are no free web apps | 16:01 |
| luisv | like, uh, mediawiki and wordpress | 16:02 |
| luisv | :) | 16:02 |
| paulproteus | Social networking? Actually nice-looking photo sharing? | 16:02 |
| luisv | actually nice-looking free anything? | 16:02 |
| luisv | (desktop or web?) | 16:02 |
| paulproteus | GNOME! (-: | 16:02 |
| paulproteus | Having the ability to export your data from Flickr and Facebook is not truly interesting if you can't put it somewhere free once you have the data. | 16:03 |
| luisv | I have spent the entirety of my adult life working on GNOME | 16:03 |
| luisv | but lets not get carried away. | 16:03 |
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| rejon | cchost | 16:03 |
| rejon | openclipart.org openfontlibrary.org | 16:03 |
| rejon | etc | 16:03 |
| bovinity | yo, j on | 16:03 |
| rejon | wrd up | 16:03 |
| paulproteus | rejon, Let me see if labs has one. | 16:03 |
| paulproteus | I think it does. | 16:03 |
| luisv | I agree, but the assumption that you can't build such things in a free way on the web is (I hope) a bad assumption | 16:03 |
| rejon | chilling at moo's offices near exmouth market in london | 16:03 |
| rejon | they are doing some cool CC+ stuff | 16:03 |
| luisv | whoa, cool | 16:03 |
| luisv | I need me some stickers. | 16:04 |
| rejon | they had huge party last night | 16:04 |
| rejon | to launch that sticker service | 16:04 |
| luisv | my moo business cards were a huge hit here at RH | 16:04 |
| rejon | paula was there even though she missed her keynote at guadec! | 16:04 |
| bovinity | awesome | 16:04 |
| bovinity | hahaha | 16:04 |
| rejon | seriously! | 16:04 |
| mutante_ | paulproteus: is it easy to explain the major difference between by-nc-sa/2.5/ and by-nc-sa/3.0/ | 16:04 |
| luisv | paula missed her guadec keynote? :/ | 16:04 |
| rejon | !!! | 16:04 |
| paulproteus | rejon, What do you make of http://labs.creativecommons.org/jswidget/tags/0.1/example_web_app/ ? | 16:05 |
| rejon | hmmm...not working for me | 16:06 |
| rejon | or maybe that is part of it | 16:06 |
| rejon | link works, but the links don't do anything | 16:07 |
| paulproteus | You're probably right, hold on a sec. | 16:07 |
| paulproteus | Bah, rewrite rules strike again! )-: | 16:08 |
| rejon | regardless..excitement is at hand!!! | 16:08 |
| rejon | it also means, once this is done...more work for me!!!! | 16:08 |
| paulproteus | Yahoo! | 16:08 |
| rejon | man, CC is finally getting work done!!!! | 16:08 |
| rejon | bse/bovinity: what is the 411 | 16:09 |
| rejon | how many CDs are getting printed? | 16:09 |
| bovinity | 1000 | 16:09 |
| rejon | I wonder if we could get 500 burned, and then just have 500 with the images screened onto them, that we could burn | 16:09 |
| rejon | or maybe better to get like 800 burned, 200 with just the images | 16:10 |
| bovinity | we could probably do that | 16:10 |
| rejon | I'm thinking good to just have for us to burn builds onto | 16:10 |
| rejon | for testing, etc | 16:10 |
| rejon | test of concept | 16:10 |
| bovinity | actually, no, we can't do that | 16:12 |
| bovinity | but we may be able to do 900 cd's, and have 100 wallets to put cd-r's into.... | 16:13 |
| bovinity | but i suspect we'd still have to pay for 1000 | 16:14 |
| rejon | yah, ok, 1K is min. order | 16:14 |
| rejon | ok | 16:14 |
| paulproteus | rejon, Does http://labs.creativecommons.org/jswidget/tags/0.1/example_web_app/ work now for you? | 16:16 |
| paulproteus | I'm on a slowish link so you can probably check faster than I can. | 16:16 |
| bovinity | takes ages to load, and doesn't appear to work, for me | 16:17 |
| paulproteus | Sweet. | 16:17 |
| paulproteus | I wonder what's going wrong. | 16:17 |
| bovinity | is there supposed to be a license chooser of some sort in the middle? | 16:17 |
| paulproteus | I'll dig deeper. | 16:17 |
| paulproteus | Mmm-hmmm. | 16:17 |
| bovinity | "The requested URL /jswidget/tags/0.1/template.en_US.js was not found on this server." | 16:18 |
| bovinity | wrd | 16:18 |
| paulproteus | K-rad. | 16:18 |
| paulproteus | That should fix that - try again? | 16:19 |
| rejon | yah, same problem | 16:19 |
| bovinity | yep | 16:19 |
| bovinity | works now | 16:19 |
| paulproteus | Sweet. | 16:19 |
| paulproteus | Yup, works for me too. | 16:19 |
| paulproteus | Look at me, I'm handling jurisdictions! | 16:19 |
| paulproteus | rejon, What do you think now? | 16:23 |
| rejon | good, you ripped out that hack hopefully for jurisdictions | 16:23 |
| rejon | ;) | 16:23 |
| rejon | looks good! | 16:23 |
| paulproteus | Sorry this was broken yesterday when I announced it. )-: | 16:24 |
| rejon | very good...so then, the service will add a js to interface with their service to set the setting | 16:24 |
| rejon | then, this looks up the setting on load | 16:24 |
| rejon | is that the next step? | 16:24 |
| rejon | to test that? | 16:24 |
| paulproteus | rejon, I don't quite understand you. | 16:24 |
| paulproteus | I'm also still in bed; maybe I could change that. | 16:24 |
| rejon | hah | 16:25 |
| paulproteus | But I don't think it would help me understand, anyway. | 16:25 |
| rejon | I'm saying, the whole point is for this to exist on a sidebar of a site, as a widget | 16:25 |
| rejon | so, it has to be set once, and then save the setting somewhere...so it can be called up and the user doesn't have to set it each time | 16:25 |
| rejon | right? | 16:25 |
| paulproteus | Sidebar? I thought it was to replace things like the "Click here to visit CC.org and pick a license" in MediaWiki. | 16:25 |
| paulproteus | You know what I'm talking about in the MW installer? | 16:25 |
| paulproteus | Blogspot could have a "Choose your CC license" entry in their configuration pane and this way they don't have to write any code to get a CC chooser API. | 16:26 |
| paulproteus | nathany was telling me that Nate [Kinkade] will modify WpLicense to use this UI instead of its own in PHP, which will cut its size down to 1/3 of its current self. | 16:27 |
| rejon | yes, good... | 16:27 |
| paulproteus | Plus it won't require server-side API calls. | 16:27 |
| rejon | yes, this is to (hopefully) just be droppable onto wordpress.com, blogger, etc, and require nothing but their api to save the state | 16:27 |
| rejon | ok, crap, gonna have to go | 16:28 |
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| paulproteus | Okay, ttyl sometime. | 16:28 |
| rejon | i'll hopefully bbiab | 16:28 |
| rejon | moodrinx | 16:29 |
| paulproteus | I'm considering working from home and having Indian pizza for lunch. | 16:29 |
| tvol | paulproteus work at your house sounds delicious...ha | 16:35 |
| paulproteus | Well, I'm thinking of http://www.everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1033753 . | 16:37 |
| paulproteus | They don't open until 11am, hmm. | 16:38 |
| paulproteus | I kinda want it for breakfast instead. | 16:38 |
| bovinity | indian pizza you say | 16:39 |
| paulproteus | I do in fact. | 16:39 |
| paulproteus | Perhaps they deliver. | 16:39 |
| paulproteus | Or perhaps I could be convinced to walk a pie to the BART and deliver it to the office around lunchtime. | 16:40 |
| paulproteus | Although that'd be quite sad for the other BART riders who wouldn't get to eat it. | 16:40 |
| paulproteus | I guess I should get dressed. | 16:41 |
| paulproteus | So much to do in my life.... | 16:41 |
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| luisv | tvol: did you see that I dumped a steaming pile of sh^Wopinion on your liveCD wiki page? | 16:45 |
| tvol | luisv yes! we're taking a look right now | 16:46 |
| tvol | luisv thanks | 16:46 |
| luisv | np | 16:46 |
| luisv | totally awesome project, happy to help if/when I can | 16:46 |
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| tannewt | luisv, the only difficult part with not having gnome-terminal is that there is no way for me to tar up the home directory | 16:47 |
| luisv | can you use the virtual terminal in a livecd? | 16:48 |
| tannewt | luisv, not sure, good point | 16:48 |
| bovinity | .thumbnails comment is a good idea | 16:49 |
| tvol | hey bovinity can you meet with tannewt and i to hash out livecd revisions that are deliverable | 16:52 |
| bovinity | sure | 16:53 |
| tvol | we're thinking about doing it now | 16:53 |
| luisv | doing the thumbnails right is a very nice touch | 16:53 |
| luisv | we did it for the CC video that was on the first gnome livecd ;) | 16:53 |
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| bovinity | luisv, is this the gnome livecd you mentioned this morning? http://ken.vandine.org/?p=265 | 23:10 |
| luisv | the descendant | 23:10 |
| bovinity | do you know anything about it? | 23:11 |
| luisv | it is quite possible the one I did (about 2 1/2 years ago) is no longer available anymore | 23:11 |
| luisv | a little | 23:11 |
| luisv | that one is based on rpath linux | 23:11 |
| luisv | the original was ubuntu-based | 23:11 |
| paulproteus | Isn't an Ubuntu Live CD basically already a GNOME Live CD? | 23:11 |
| bovinity | ah | 23:11 |
| bovinity | quite | 23:11 |
| luisv | paulproteus: well, we changed some of the theming/icons | 23:11 |
| luisv | did things like Open Office-> Abiword | 23:12 |
| luisv | Firefox->Epiphany | 23:12 |
| luisv | etc. | 23:12 |
| luisv | added content, like you guys are doing | 23:12 |
| paulproteus | That makes sense. It would be cool to ship that as a package in Ubuntu. | 23:12 |
| * paulproteus nods | 23:12 | |
| luisv | was intended for conferences and such | 23:12 |
| luisv | and at least in theory for media | 23:12 |
| luisv | but we never got that far | 23:13 |
| luisv | (news media, not CD media:) | 23:13 |
| tannewt | paulproteus, are you a dri wizard? | 23:17 |
| paulproteus | DRI like Direct Rendering? | 23:18 |
| paulproteus | I'm okay, why? | 23:18 |
| paulproteus | Triskelios on #jhuacm is a real Direct Rendering wizard. | 23:18 |
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