2007-07-13T00:04:51 tannewt 2007-07-13T00:04:55 xhtml+rdf? 2007-07-13T00:05:40 New news from http://wiki.creativecommons.org/wiki/index.php?title=special:recentchanges&feed=rss: CCHits 2007-07-13T00:06:29 *** rrrojer_ has joined #cc 2007-07-13T00:07:08 *** tvol_ has joined #CC 2007-07-13T00:07:18 Salaam, and good evening to you, my underscored friends. 2007-07-13T00:07:51 *** cameronparkins_ has quit IRC 2007-07-13T00:08:16 dotLou, not sure 2007-07-13T00:08:18 http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml-rdfa-primer/ 2007-07-13T00:08:27 dotLou, supposedly its a standard but I have not heard of it 2007-07-13T00:08:29 dotLou, nathany would be the person to talk to, he'll be on here tomorrow 2007-07-13T00:11:18 nice bse 2007-07-13T00:15:44 New news from http://wiki.creativecommons.org/wiki/index.php?title=special:recentchanges&feed=rss: License Examples || Ekleipsi Netlabel || Baseline Rights || Beatpick || Baseline Rights 2007-07-13T00:16:48 *** e-star has quit IRC 2007-07-13T00:23:44 *** tvol has quit IRC 2007-07-13T00:23:58 *** rrrojer has quit IRC 2007-07-13T00:25:46 New news from http://wiki.creativecommons.org/wiki/index.php?title=special:recentchanges&feed=rss: Howitworks Comic3 || Howitworks Comic2 || Howitworks Comic1 || Audio || Dharmasound || Template:ContentDirectory || ArtistServer || Template:ContentDirectory 2007-07-13T00:26:16 "CD Artwork is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution 3.0 license, unless otherwise noted." 2007-07-13T00:26:17 bingo. 2007-07-13T00:31:42 can anybody help me with http://validator.creativecommons.org/ ? 2007-07-13T00:31:53 *** bse_ has joined #cc 2007-07-13T00:35:49 New news from http://wiki.creativecommons.org/wiki/index.php?title=special:recentchanges&feed=rss: Special:Log/upload || Spectrumofrights Comic4 || Special:Log/upload || Spectrumofrights Comic3 || Spectrumofrights Comic2 || Spectrumofrights Comic1 || Howitworks Comic4 2007-07-13T00:36:18 http://validator.creativecommons.org/validate.py?url=http%3A%2F%2Fbeta2.dotlou.com&submit=Parse+URI 2007-07-13T00:36:22 what are these segments? 2007-07-13T00:40:50 tvol_: oh crap, we have that call in 20 min 2007-07-13T00:41:13 rejon you in the house? 2007-07-13T00:41:23 at my house :) 2007-07-13T00:41:28 will skype in 2007-07-13T00:41:30 we can do remotely 2007-07-13T00:41:31 k 2007-07-13T00:41:42 * paulproteus hopes he isn't supposed to be there and no one told him 2007-07-13T00:45:25 no, you are not in on this devious plot.........yet 2007-07-13T00:45:38 rejon, which devious plot is this? 2007-07-13T00:47:19 oh this is more abstract...a write-up about some ideas 2007-07-13T00:47:26 an academic paper :) 2007-07-13T00:47:39 *** bse has quit IRC 2007-07-13T00:48:07 rejon, mind if I sit in? 2007-07-13T00:49:28 sure 2007-07-13T00:49:33 tvol_: is the hookup 2007-07-13T00:49:41 *** bse__ has joined #cc 2007-07-13T00:49:43 dotLou, it looks like it's pulling in RDFa from but it doesn't even validate yet 2007-07-13T00:54:04 I'm trying to make this work but purely with rdf in the comments 2007-07-13T00:55:07 http://beta2.dotlou.com/ 2007-07-13T00:55:13 click the cc link at the bottom 2007-07-13T00:55:25 you'll see that it says "Attribution. You must attribute this work to dotLou (with link)." 2007-07-13T00:55:37 I want to ensure this happens anyway, but still have my page validate. 2007-07-13T00:55:52 Which is loads harder then I had originally intended. 2007-07-13T00:58:08 tvol: yet again, the end of the day has reached critical brain fry...what a great time to talk about a paper 2007-07-13T00:58:11 gulp 2007-07-13T00:58:43 yeah... 2007-07-13T00:58:55 *** gavinbaker has quit IRC 2007-07-13T01:03:00 I really don't see why CC doesn't provide people with xhtml valid code to use :-/ 2007-07-13T01:03:17 dotLou, I think it was just changed 2007-07-13T01:03:30 ? 2007-07-13T01:03:39 yeah, they're pushing rdfa instead of rdf in comments 2007-07-13T01:04:02 *** bse_ has quit IRC 2007-07-13T01:04:05 well right now I don't even get comment code from the license making script 2007-07-13T01:04:18 I just get some invalid xhtml code for text to put on my site and stuff 2007-07-13T01:04:27 tvol: crap, problem with my skype 2007-07-13T01:04:37 can you initiate skype conference call 2007-07-13T01:04:40 invalid xhtml code? 2007-07-13T01:04:41 rejon we doing call or texting? 2007-07-13T01:04:47 cll 2007-07-13T01:05:04 jakin: yes 2007-07-13T01:05:08 it doesn't validate. 2007-07-13T01:05:50 i wonder if the validator is fully rdfa-aware 2007-07-13T01:06:02 *** papyromancer has joined #cc 2007-07-13T01:06:03 http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fbeta2.dotlou.com&charset=%28detect+automatically%29&doctype=Inline 2007-07-13T01:06:25 (that's modified a bit, since I tried switching it to rdf in comments 2007-07-13T01:06:25 ah 2007-07-13T01:07:16 there, now it's back to what I had before 2007-07-13T01:07:26 click the above link 2007-07-13T01:07:39 *** e-star has joined #cc 2007-07-13T01:08:13 http://dotlou.pastebin.com/d50a6e4f6 2007-07-13T01:08:22 that's the code I get from the cc website 2007-07-13T01:09:02 That's the code that doesn't validate. 2007-07-13T01:09:13 *** tvol_ has quit IRC 2007-07-13T01:09:54 yeah, it looks like you're right. it's something to bring up with nathan. generating this code is pretty new... 2007-07-13T01:10:35 *** e-star has quit IRC 2007-07-13T01:10:35 I intend to use CC to license my Content Management system, and I really like the way it loads a (sort-of) custom license page, but I need to validate the website. 2007-07-13T01:12:00 dotLou, http://dotlou.pastebin.com/m55b376cb 2007-07-13T01:12:04 hmm... this says that the property attribute is XHTML 2: http://www.xml.com/pub/a/2007/02/14/introducing-rdfa.html 2007-07-13T01:12:04 You can remove the stuff that doesn't validate for you. 2007-07-13T01:12:16 It's a nicety for when XHTML 2 is around, but you can't necessarily use it yet. 2007-07-13T01:12:17 keep in mind CC is a content license, and not a software license; your CMS app would be under something like GPL or BSD. 2007-07-13T01:12:43 the stuff that doesn't validate, is the stuff that makes the license a custom page :-/ 2007-07-13T01:12:46 I'll ask nathany for an official answer, but the extra stuff that wasn't validating is not required. 2007-07-13T01:12:58 dotLou, Not true; rel="license" is enough for that. 2007-07-13T01:13:10 I'll try 2007-07-13T01:13:18 It's not enough for the future super-awesome license page, but since your document type doesn't support that, I think we'll be okay the way things are. 2007-07-13T01:13:46 nope 2007-07-13T01:13:48 doesn't work 2007-07-13T01:14:00 What doesn't work about it? 2007-07-13T01:14:02 well I will be, but I'd much rather use this 2007-07-13T01:14:26 Well I'd love the "super-awesome license page" but I can't if I want it to validate it seems. 2007-07-13T01:14:37 I really don't see why it's not possible. 2007-07-13T01:14:52 dotLou, There are some complications between XHTML1 and XML namespaces. 2007-07-13T01:14:58 I think bse__ gave you a link on that. 2007-07-13T01:15:07 Something on w3c.org. You could use XHTML2 and it would work. 2007-07-13T01:15:12 (As I understand things.) 2007-07-13T01:15:23 he did, and I tried switching it manually, but it didn't work. 2007-07-13T01:15:48 CC should provide people with xhtml valid code, simply to follow standards. it would only make sense. 2007-07-13T01:16:16 I agree, and I'lll ask nathany about i1. 2007-07-13T01:16:18 well, the rdf metadata we include is compatible with our license pages 2007-07-13T01:16:21 it, even. 2007-07-13T01:16:44 thanks paulproteus. 2007-07-13T01:16:53 I appreciate everybody's time and effort. 2007-07-13T01:18:22 home now. night dudes. 2007-07-13T01:18:45 bye bse__ 2007-07-13T01:18:55 *** dotLou has quit IRC 2007-07-13T01:19:00 *** bse__ has quit IRC 2007-07-13T01:46:04 New news from http://wiki.creativecommons.org/wiki/index.php?title=special:recentchanges&feed=rss: Desktop Integration 2007-07-13T01:49:40 *** tannewt has quit IRC 2007-07-13T01:51:19 *** rrrojer_ has quit IRC 2007-07-13T02:00:17 *** tvol has quit IRC 2007-07-13T02:02:38 *** gavinbaker has joined #cc 2007-07-13T02:18:31 *** skyfaller has joined #cc 2007-07-13T02:18:56 *** luisv has joined #cc 2007-07-13T02:19:13 hey everyone... did the FSF or RMS ever officially release a statement that they are now OK with CC? 2007-07-13T02:20:01 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Culture_movement implies that RMS still opposes CC 2007-07-13T02:20:23 but my understanding is that Lessig etc. have worked things out with them 2007-07-13T02:26:51 I don't believe they have. 2007-07-13T02:27:08 though saying he 'opposes' it is... well, it is just very complex 2007-07-13T02:37:06 *** papyromancer has quit IRC 2007-07-13T02:44:16 *** papyromancer has joined #cc 2007-07-13T02:48:18 *** BobChao has joined #cc 2007-07-13T03:25:31 Lessig sure did say at the iSummit that he and RMS had worked things out. 2007-07-13T03:25:55 I'm not sure if he said that in a more private chat or in his big speech thing. 2007-07-13T03:31:21 well, and it was mentioned in passing when one of the licenses was retired that CC would not offer new licenses which didn't at least guarantee distribution 2007-07-13T03:31:38 which removes one of the big issues for FSF. 2007-07-13T03:33:57 right, but RMS has never really articulated (well) his problem with CC. 2007-07-13T03:34:09 sure, there's his by-nc-nd standard 2007-07-13T03:34:20 but why not support licenses that meet that standard, and denounce the rest? 2007-07-13T03:34:39 why denounce the organization and its licenses, and distance yourself from an allied movement? 2007-07-13T03:34:52 because he doesn't see cc as allied 2007-07-13T03:35:01 cc has portrayed itself as being about choice 2007-07-13T03:35:10 and about being value-neutral 2007-07-13T03:35:22 and the FSF is fundamentally not a value-neutral organization, or about choice 2007-07-13T03:35:49 it is about defending/protecting/advancing a very specific conception of freedom 2007-07-13T03:36:05 and if you're not doing the same thing (which CC deliberately is not) then you're not really on his team 2007-07-13T03:36:10 or so goes the FSF thinking, more or less 2007-07-13T03:39:16 i always thought the choice rhetoric was more rhetoric than real 2007-07-13T03:39:32 though i suppose you can also judge someone by their rhetoric 2007-07-13T03:39:57 yeah 2007-07-13T03:40:01 larry's on FSF board 2007-07-13T03:40:34 yah, I pinged mike about this too..I'm curious as well...not sure the strategy 2007-07-13T03:40:49 we are just so overloaded as of late 2007-07-13T03:41:03 gavinbaker: the choice rhetoric is very real for some participants 2007-07-13T03:41:12 that was a real eye opener for me at the first iCommons summit 2007-07-13T03:41:38 Larry clearly badly, badly wants it to be about something bigger, but feels as soon as he says that, it damages the movement for no real gains 2007-07-13T03:42:17 but lots of other people there seemed very genuine in it merely being a new licensing choice for artists, or (worse) just a source of free-beer music 2007-07-13T03:42:30 luisv, it has to be carefully managed, to be sure, but if it's permanently about "choice" and nothing else, it fails, both on its own grounds and at achieving its real goals 2007-07-13T03:42:52 I tend to agree 2007-07-13T03:43:01 luisv, on the other hand, lots of people there were using non-free software 2007-07-13T03:43:12 but I can see how reasonable people would disagree about the tactics, even if the long-term goals are agreed upon 2007-07-13T03:43:15 it's clear as a movement that we lack a great deal of clarity and discipline 2007-07-13T03:43:30 we're not assuming RMS is reasonable now, are we? ;) 2007-07-13T03:43:34 haha 2007-07-13T03:43:37 oh, absolutely not 2007-07-13T03:43:46 the first time I ever met him we were in a screaming match within minutes ;) 2007-07-13T03:44:00 forks were threatened, trademark actions were counter-threatened 2007-07-13T03:44:05 it was all great fun 2007-07-13T03:44:22 beer? 2007-07-13T03:44:25 someone say beer? 2007-07-13T03:44:48 gavinbaker: the upside of lack of clarity/discipline is that you're a bigger tent 2007-07-13T03:45:01 and more difficult to attack 2007-07-13T03:45:18 it is very difficult to attack 'giving artists more choice' 2007-07-13T03:45:31 it is more easy to attack 'knowledge should be shared' 2007-07-13T03:47:49 luisv: but people attack it anyway 2007-07-13T03:48:05 regardless, there was a time i was more worried about CC 2007-07-13T03:48:13 more clarity is coming 2007-07-13T03:48:25 offing some of the non-standard licenses 2007-07-13T03:48:37 semi-committing to a standard for future licenses 2007-07-13T03:48:51 yeah, wish that commitment had been a bit more high-profile 2007-07-13T03:48:53 working to develop consensus in the areas of science and education 2007-07-13T03:49:24 rejon: FWIW, I heard Lessig and Stallman got into some fairly heated arguments at the FSF public annual meeting in 2005 ;) 2007-07-13T03:49:24 as was discussed in one of the isummit panels, i really don't think we can have a definition of freedom -- yet -- for everything 2007-07-13T03:49:39 but we are developing consensus around definitions for some things, which is really important 2007-07-13T03:50:11 both on its own, and because it helps lead to developing consensus in other areas 2007-07-13T03:52:28 New news from http://wiki.creativecommons.org/wiki/index.php?title=special:recentchanges&feed=rss: Marking Video 2007-07-13T03:54:10 i find access to knowledge to be a lot more important than e.g. new revenue models for marketing 2007-07-13T03:54:38 cc seems to be moving its priorities to the right places 2007-07-13T03:54:59 if it started out well-meaning but a bit aimless, it's much more on the right track now 2007-07-13T03:55:45 well 2007-07-13T03:56:03 the lesson from free software is that the revenue models and the knowledge access are not incompatible 2007-07-13T03:56:38 and projects/licenses which work to align those incentives are the most likely to succeed 2007-07-13T03:57:22 so it isn't a bad idea to at least talk about and understand the business/revenue bits. 2007-07-13T03:59:53 as long as you care about the ethical goal 2007-07-13T03:59:59 and not just turning a buck 2007-07-13T04:00:10 sure 2007-07-13T04:00:24 well, i dunno. maybe the market's strong enough to punish the people who only care about turning a buck 2007-07-13T04:00:38 and admittedly once you figure out the business model, or show even the faintest glimmer of that, you attract people who care only about the buck 2007-07-13T04:00:47 but those people mostly fail 2007-07-13T04:00:54 and when they don't fail, they still create new knowledge 2007-07-13T04:01:22 right, but what good is the equivalent of a bunch of freeware 2007-07-13T04:01:34 depends on the licensing 2007-07-13T04:01:39 if it is libre 2007-07-13T04:01:54 then it can be re-used, expanded upon, etc., regardless of the motivation of the creators 2007-07-13T04:02:06 if it is just free-beer, or not-even-really-free-beer, then yeah, that is a problem 2007-07-13T04:02:08 i'd expect most of the only-buck-turners to use the most restrictive licenses 2007-07-13T04:02:29 which, ahem, is an argument for not offering such licenses, as RMS and others have pointed out ;) 2007-07-13T04:02:32 New news from http://wiki.creativecommons.org/wiki/index.php?title=special:recentchanges&feed=rss: Marking || Marking Audio || Marking Image || Marking Text 2007-07-13T04:02:51 (since they aren't useful to the broader movement even if used by non-buck-turners) 2007-07-13T04:04:33 (really... has an NC-ND licensed work, regardless of the intent of the author, made that world a much better place relative to the same work under a traditional copyright license?) 2007-07-13T04:05:44 it's just free beer 2007-07-13T04:06:01 right. 2007-07-13T04:06:06 i'm not sure how important that is 2007-07-13T04:07:30 gavinbaker: no dude it is important because of marketing 2007-07-13T04:07:54 cc gets its word out everytime a known artist/teeny bopper uses its license 2007-07-13T04:08:07 granted that happening with the latter is slim to null 2007-07-13T04:08:21 what is it marketing, exactly? 2007-07-13T04:08:38 I'm not sure how much CC wins by being 'cool' 2007-07-13T04:09:15 and I could even construct a cogent argument that use of CC by people who don't understand the underlying issues is damaging 2007-07-13T04:09:31 since later they'll realize what they've done is irrevocable and be pissed about it 2007-07-13T04:10:15 luisv: I have to disagree with that because that would happen with every license no matter how free or nonfree 2007-07-13T04:10:28 no, most other licenses are revocable. 2007-07-13T04:10:30 is the marketing they gain worth it? 2007-07-13T04:10:47 and would argue that happens a lot more with proprietry license 2007-07-13T04:10:55 and most other licenses operate under the fairly well-understood principle of 'I made it, I control it' 2007-07-13T04:11:05 people know what they are getting into 2007-07-13T04:11:07 luisv: uh... 2007-07-13T04:11:45 well I was under the impression that generally that was not the case with majority of bands that sign with major production studios 2007-07-13T04:12:06 which is understood to reflect poorly on the studios, not on copyright or on the license. 2007-07-13T04:12:25 when people are confused about CC, they don't blame it on the studios, they blame it on CC. 2007-07-13T04:13:02 well cc should education people then 2007-07-13T04:13:07 right 2007-07-13T04:13:14 which doesn't happen when a pop star uses nc-nd 2007-07-13T04:13:18 but that wont happen untill they inquire about it 2007-07-13T04:13:31 ah, yes 2007-07-13T04:13:41 luisv: educating people will only work when they are mildly interested 2007-07-13T04:13:45 just like no one knew about free software until microsoft started using it 2007-07-13T04:13:47 oh, wait ;) 2007-07-13T04:14:15 luisv: no not until a killer app started using it 2007-07-13T04:14:30 i.e apache on linux 2007-07-13T04:14:40 and netscape 2007-07-13T04:14:41 right, neither of which are under compromised/weak licenses 2007-07-13T04:15:33 the claim that 'we have to have NC-ND so that pop acts will use it and publicize the license' indicates a lack of faith that good artists will use BY-SA 2007-07-13T04:16:00 and given that 5 years in, there has been no music/video 'killer app' under NC-ND suggests that the compromise approach doesn't work either 2007-07-13T04:16:11 (4 years?) 2007-07-13T04:16:39 no it just indicates a lack of faith in the community to accept our licenses at all 2007-07-13T04:17:08 perhaps because of lack of knowledge 2007-07-13T04:17:15 they dont know about us at all 2007-07-13T04:17:24 or miseducation: 2007-07-13T04:17:30 GAAAH COMMUNIST!!! 2007-07-13T04:17:51 miseducation? yeah I dont know where that came from either 2007-07-13T04:18:18 *** kristallpirat has quit IRC 2007-07-13T04:18:41 luisv: keep in mind though even in the software world there are open source software 2007-07-13T04:19:02 with similar requirements 2007-07-13T04:19:07 though not the exact same 2007-07-13T04:20:08 which arguably (1) are mostly failures (can you name a single successful project with a license which is more restrictive than the Open Source Definition?) and (2) confuse both the message and the audience for the message 2007-07-13T04:20:36 most of us view those licenses as a problem to be solved, not something we want highly successful projects to use 2007-07-13T04:20:55 ok point true 2007-07-13T04:23:02 *** tvol has joined #CC 2007-07-13T04:23:13 but like I said earlier, eliminating those licenses means CC is more overtly ideological 2007-07-13T04:23:16 which has its own problems 2007-07-13T04:23:25 what I am arguing is that we just dont know what the vast majority of artists are willing to give up as their rights, so perhaps until we become popular enough and most artists know about us we should keep the free beer license 2007-07-13T04:24:58 0.0 2007-07-13T04:25:19 I was arguing with luis villa??? 2007-07-13T04:25:35 * poningru goes to bed tired 2007-07-13T04:26:08 haha 2007-07-13T04:26:15 I'm just this guy ;) 2007-07-13T04:26:30 you are the gnome guy right? 2007-07-13T04:26:33 yeah 2007-07-13T04:26:49 ... 2007-07-13T04:26:51 and you may well be right 2007-07-13T04:26:56 the popularity question is a hard one 2007-07-13T04:27:14 the tradeoff may be worth it 2007-07-13T04:27:43 impossible to know for sure, of course 2007-07-13T04:27:47 right 2007-07-13T04:27:49 * luisv should probably sleep too 2007-07-13T04:27:57 * luisv has to drive tomorrow :/ 2007-07-13T04:28:05 where ya going? 2007-07-13T04:29:05 asheville, nc 2007-07-13T04:29:13 meeting my dad and step-mom for a weekend 2007-07-13T04:29:19 * poningru wonders what crazy gnome... 2007-07-13T04:29:21 nvm 2007-07-13T04:29:23 since I don't really have time to go home this summer 2007-07-13T04:29:29 hah, no, no gnome stuff 2007-07-13T04:29:37 <- trying to be a lawyer rather than a hacker this summer 2007-07-13T04:29:41 hehe 2007-07-13T04:30:05 nn 2007-07-13T04:30:09 have fun 2007-07-13T04:35:20 *** luisv has quit IRC 2007-07-13T04:55:58 *** gavinbaker has quit IRC 2007-07-13T04:56:11 *** gavinbaker has joined #cc 2007-07-13T05:06:14 *** papyromancer has quit IRC 2007-07-13T05:06:16 New news from http://wiki.creativecommons.org/wiki/index.php?title=special:recentchanges&feed=rss: User:Jason Kivlighn 2007-07-13T05:36:50 New news from http://wiki.creativecommons.org/wiki/index.php?title=special:recentchanges&feed=rss: Spectrumofrights Comic3 2007-07-13T05:39:39 *** Bovinity has joined #cc 2007-07-13T05:46:52 New news from http://wiki.creativecommons.org/wiki/index.php?title=special:recentchanges&feed=rss: Software 2007-07-13T05:47:12 *** rrrojer has joined #cc 2007-07-13T05:53:08 *** rrrojer has quit IRC 2007-07-13T05:55:36 *** rrrojer has joined #cc 2007-07-13T05:57:22 *** tannewt has joined #cc 2007-07-13T05:59:39 *** rrrojer_ has joined #cc 2007-07-13T06:07:42 *** tvol has quit IRC 2007-07-13T06:15:49 *** rrrojer has quit IRC 2007-07-13T06:16:13 hmm 2007-07-13T06:26:38 *** jakin has quit IRC 2007-07-13T06:27:35 *** gavinbaker has quit IRC 2007-07-13T06:37:06 I wish moo.com offered italics along with bold... 2007-07-13T07:24:59 *** Bovinity has quit IRC 2007-07-13T07:26:16 *** rrrojer_ has left #cc 2007-07-13T07:43:36 *** tannewt has quit IRC 2007-07-13T08:42:56 *** BjornW has joined #cc 2007-07-13T08:45:36 *** BjornW has quit IRC 2007-07-13T08:46:30 *** BjornW has joined #cc 2007-07-13T08:59:46 *** BjornW has quit IRC 2007-07-13T09:15:52 *** e-star has joined #cc 2007-07-13T10:28:49 *** sama has joined #cc 2007-07-13T11:47:52 *** luisv has joined #cc 2007-07-13T12:39:25 *** __shawn has quit IRC 2007-07-13T12:41:22 *** sama has quit IRC 2007-07-13T12:54:02 *** e-star has quit IRC 2007-07-13T12:55:00 *** e-star has joined #cc 2007-07-13T13:14:05 *** e-star has quit IRC 2007-07-13T13:43:03 *** e-star has joined #cc 2007-07-13T13:54:03 *** zwnj has quit IRC 2007-07-13T13:55:03 *** zwnj has joined #cc 2007-07-13T13:57:17 *** e-star_ has joined #cc 2007-07-13T14:05:13 *** e-star has quit IRC 2007-07-13T14:31:48 *** __shawn has joined #cc 2007-07-13T14:43:24 *** newpers has joined #cc 2007-07-13T14:43:27 *** newpers has left #cc 2007-07-13T14:56:48 New news from http://wiki.creativecommons.org/wiki/index.php?title=special:recentchanges&feed=rss: XMP 2007-07-13T15:01:35 *** zwnj has quit IRC 2007-07-13T15:01:54 *** nathany has joined #cc 2007-07-13T15:22:51 *** kristallpirat has joined #cc 2007-07-13T15:32:47 *** e-star_ has quit IRC 2007-07-13T15:47:44 *** luisv has quit IRC 2007-07-13T15:56:41 *** rejon has quit IRC 2007-07-13T15:57:31 *** jakin has joined #cc 2007-07-13T16:00:05 *** __shawn has quit IRC 2007-07-13T16:09:43 *** tvol has joined #CC 2007-07-13T16:11:47 *** bse has joined #cc 2007-07-13T16:15:16 http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/page/news/44225-internet-radio-receives-11th-hour-reprieve 2007-07-13T16:25:15 *** rejon has joined #cc 2007-07-13T16:45:38 great news 2007-07-13T16:49:12 New news from http://wiki.creativecommons.org/wiki/index.php?title=special:recentchanges&feed=rss: Video || Revver || JumpCut || Lulu || Blip || EngageMedia || Sound || MovingImage || InterCommunication Center 2007-07-13T16:58:38 bse: what news? 2007-07-13T16:59:05 http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/page/news/44225-internet-radio-receives-11th-hour-reprieve as tim posted 2007-07-13T17:01:04 *** __shawn has joined #cc 2007-07-13T17:01:05 NOTICE: SF.net SVN: cctools: [6206] liblicense/trunk/README: Revision: 6206 http://cctools.svn.sourceforge.net/cctools/?rev=6206&view=rev Author: jakin44 Date: 2007-07-13 09:56:48 -0700 (Fri, 13 Jul 2007) Log Message: ----------- A little about Liblicense Modified Paths: -------------- liblicense/trunk/README This was sent by the SourceForge.net 2007-07-13T17:01:06 NOTICE: collaborative development platform, the world's largest Open Source development site. 2007-07-13T17:01:15 ok rejon t minus two hours.....go! 2007-07-13T17:07:12 *** tannewt has joined #cc 2007-07-13T17:09:16 New news from http://wiki.creativecommons.org/wiki/index.php?title=special:recentchanges&feed=rss: Special:Log/move 2007-07-13T17:10:11 *** zwnj has joined #cc 2007-07-13T17:13:47 *** _shawn_ has joined #cc 2007-07-13T17:20:42 *** __shawn has quit IRC 2007-07-13T17:36:57 *** tannewt has quit IRC 2007-07-13T17:43:02 bse: is that cool to do the web session on monday afternoon jul 23? 2007-07-13T17:43:06 i sent out time 2007-07-13T17:43:08 gcal 2007-07-13T17:45:50 bse: ! 2007-07-13T17:49:24 New news from http://wiki.creativecommons.org/wiki/index.php?title=special:recentchanges&feed=rss: Main Page 2007-07-13T17:51:25 *** rrrojer has joined #cc 2007-07-13T17:59:36 *** tannewt has joined #cc 2007-07-13T18:01:38 rejon, yes 2007-07-13T18:09:30 New news from http://wiki.creativecommons.org/wiki/index.php?title=special:recentchanges&feed=rss: Unearthtravel || BlastMagazine || GoodMagazine 2007-07-13T18:12:48 *** _shawn_ has quit IRC 2007-07-13T18:13:30 *** gavinbaker has joined #cc 2007-07-13T18:18:20 *** _shawn_ has joined #cc 2007-07-13T18:26:02 *** rrrojer has quit IRC 2007-07-13T18:26:55 was your SF Salon really at 1337 Mission St? 2007-07-13T18:26:59 that's a great address. 2007-07-13T18:28:09 *** rrrojer has joined #cc 2007-07-13T18:29:21 indeed 2007-07-13T18:31:00 gavinbaker, I thought so last year, too. 2007-07-13T18:31:45 *** _shawn_ has quit IRC 2007-07-13T18:42:20 *** _shawn_ has joined #cc 2007-07-13T18:42:22 New news from http://wiki.creativecommons.org/wiki/index.php?title=special:recentchanges&feed=rss: Template:ContentDirectory || Contact || Comics 2007-07-13T18:56:03 *** papyromancer has joined #cc 2007-07-13T18:57:39 NOTICE: SF.net SVN: cctools: [6207] liblicense/tags/0.1/: Revision: 6207 http://cctools.svn.sourceforge.net/cctools/?rev=6207&view=rev Author: tannewt Date: 2007-07-13 11:57:08 -0700 (Fri, 13 Jul 2007) Log Message: ----------- tag for 0.1 release Added Paths: ----------- liblicense/tags/0.1/ This was sent by the SourceForge.net collaborative development 2007-07-13T18:57:40 NOTICE: platform, the world's largest Open Source development site. 2007-07-13T19:11:01 *** gavinbaker has quit IRC 2007-07-13T19:21:46 NOTICE: SF.net SVN: cctools: [6208] liblicense/trunk: Revision: 6208 http://cctools.svn.sourceforge.net/cctools/?rev=6208&view=rev Author: jakin44 Date: 2007-07-13 12:20:30 -0700 (Fri, 13 Jul 2007) Log Message: ----------- A completely re-done io module system. Basically all modules are loaded in ll_init() using data from LL_MODULE_DEFINE(...), which all 2007-07-13T19:21:47 NOTICE: modules are required to call (this enforces that the shared object really is one of our modules). A global array holds all the information we need from the modules: capabilities and read/write functions. Modified Paths: -------------- liblicense/trunk/Makefile.am liblicense/trunk/bindings/python/liblicense.c 2007-07-13T19:21:48 NOTICE: liblicense/trunk/bindings/python/tests/test.py liblicense/trunk/configure.ac liblicense/trunk/liblicense.h liblicense/trunk/module_wrangler.c liblicense/trunk/modules/io/exempi.c liblicense/trunk/modules/io/flac.c liblicense/trunk/modules/io/id3.c liblicense/trunk/modules/io/raptor.c liblicense/trunk/modules/io/sidecar_xmp.c 2007-07-13T19:21:49 NOTICE: liblicense/trunk/modules/io/stub.c liblicense/trunk/modules/io/vorbis.c liblicense/trunk/read_license.c liblicense/trunk/system_licenses.c liblicense/trunk/tests/mw_test.c liblicense/trunk/tests/read_test.c liblicense/trunk/tests/test.c liblicense/trunk/tests/write_test.c liblicense/trunk/utils/license.c liblicense/trunk/write_license.c This was 2007-07-13T19:21:50 NOTICE: sent by the SourceForge.net collaborative development platform, the world's largest Open Source development site. 2007-07-13T19:21:51 NOTICE: SF.net SVN: cctools: [6209] liblicense/trunk/modules/io/stub.c: Revision: 6209 http://cctools.svn.sourceforge.net/cctools/?rev=6209&view=rev Author: jakin44 Date: 2007-07-13 12:21:15 -0700 (Fri, 13 Jul 2007) Log Message: ----------- Whoops, I missed an include Modified Paths: -------------- liblicense/trunk/modules/io/stub.c This was sent by the 2007-07-13T19:21:52 NOTICE: SourceForge.net collaborative development platform, the world's largest Open Source development site. 2007-07-13T19:23:48 New news from http://wiki.creativecommons.org/wiki/index.php?title=special:recentchanges&feed=rss: LiveContent 2007-07-13T19:43:51 New news from http://wiki.creativecommons.org/wiki/index.php?title=special:recentchanges&feed=rss: IntraText Digital Library || Public Library of Science 2007-07-13T19:53:54 New news from http://wiki.creativecommons.org/wiki/index.php?title=special:recentchanges&feed=rss: Irish Literary Revival 2007-07-13T20:03:59 New news from http://wiki.creativecommons.org/wiki/index.php?title=special:recentchanges&feed=rss: GroundReport || Text 2007-07-13T20:15:59 New news from http://wiki.creativecommons.org/wiki/index.php?title=special:recentchanges&feed=rss: Internet Archive 2007-07-13T20:20:04 *** cameronparkins has joined #cc 2007-07-13T20:21:59 NOTICE: SF.net SVN: cctools: [6210] liblicense/trunk/licenses/Makefile.am: Revision: 6210 http://cctools.svn.sourceforge.net/cctools/?rev=6210&view=rev Author: jakin44 Date: 2007-07-13 13:19:39 -0700 (Fri, 13 Jul 2007) Log Message: ----------- Build system fix to include licenses in the distribution tarball. Modified Paths: -------------- 2007-07-13T20:22:00 NOTICE: liblicense/trunk/licenses/Makefile.am This was sent by the SourceForge.net collaborative development platform, the world's largest Open Source development site. 2007-07-13T20:28:24 heya, jakin and tannewt: are you going to have to re-tag the release? I saw new changes come in 2007-07-13T20:29:13 rejon, well jason committed 0.2 stuff but there are a few Makefile errors in the currently tagged versions 2007-07-13T20:34:02 NOTICE: SF.net SVN: cctools: [6211] liblicense/trunk: Revision: 6211 http://cctools.svn.sourceforge.net/cctools/?rev=6211&view=rev Author: jakin44 Date: 2007-07-13 13:33:02 -0700 (Fri, 13 Jul 2007) Log Message: ----------- Include vcedit.h in the distribution tarball. Modified Paths: -------------- liblicense/trunk/licenses/Makefile.am 2007-07-13T20:34:03 NOTICE: liblicense/trunk/modules/io/Makefile.am This was sent by the SourceForge.net collaborative development platform, the world's largest Open Source development site. 2007-07-13T20:38:03 tannewt: ok, enough to require a 0.1.1 2007-07-13T20:38:04 ? 2007-07-13T20:38:09 the makefile errors? 2007-07-13T20:38:17 *** miamiphp has joined #cc 2007-07-13T20:38:20 bse, http://creativecommons.org/about/alumni is a broken link (as followed from http://creativecommons.org/about/people ) 2007-07-13T20:38:23 *sniffle* 2007-07-13T20:39:21 /about/people/alumni 2007-07-13T20:39:27 you need the trailing slash for the link to work 2007-07-13T20:39:33 (thx WP...) 2007-07-13T20:40:34 FWIW google.com doesn't index alumni because it knows about /about/people not /about/people/ 2007-07-13T20:40:39 So it can't follow the alumni link. 2007-07-13T20:40:46 super 2007-07-13T20:41:41 we need a better page permalink generator for WP 2007-07-13T20:42:16 *** miamiphp has quit IRC 2007-07-13T20:42:47 rejon, no, since we haven't actually released it yet 2007-07-13T20:43:58 rejon, we'll just make the fixes in tags and trunk and test builds earlier next time 2007-07-13T20:44:28 :) all is well...that always happens :)... 2007-07-13T20:44:47 rejon, at least I found it before the release 2007-07-13T20:45:07 rejon, one mistake was that it didn't package the license files :-) 2007-07-13T20:48:06 NOTICE: SF.net SVN: cctools: [6212] liblicense/trunk/modules/io/Makefile.am: Revision: 6212 http://cctools.svn.sourceforge.net/cctools/?rev=6212&view=rev Author: jakin44 Date: 2007-07-13 13:47:43 -0700 (Fri, 13 Jul 2007) Log Message: ----------- Oh joy, prevent compile failure when libxml2 isn't present Modified Paths: -------------- 2007-07-13T20:48:07 NOTICE: liblicense/trunk/modules/io/Makefile.am This was sent by the SourceForge.net collaborative development platform, the world's largest Open Source development site. 2007-07-13T20:52:06 NOTICE: SF.net SVN: cctools: [6213] liblicense/tags/0.1/modules/io/Makefile.am: Revision: 6213 http://cctools.svn.sourceforge.net/cctools/?rev=6213&view=rev Author: jakin44 Date: 2007-07-13 13:51:49 -0700 (Fri, 13 Jul 2007) Log Message: ----------- Build fix when libxml2 isn't present Modified Paths: -------------- 2007-07-13T20:52:07 NOTICE: liblicense/tags/0.1/modules/io/Makefile.am This was sent by the SourceForge.net collaborative development platform, the world's largest Open Source development site. 2007-07-13T20:56:08 NOTICE: SF.net SVN: cctools: [6214] ccoer/trunk/www: Revision: 6214 http://cctools.svn.sourceforge.net/cctools/?rev=6214&view=rev Author: paulproteus Date: 2007-07-13 13:52:37 -0700 (Fri, 13 Jul 2007) Log Message: ----------- login.php: no longer use recaptcha to validate logins login.tpl.php: no longer use recaptcha to validate logins, so stop showing the 2007-07-13T20:56:09 NOTICE: form recaptcha_config.inc.template: add suggestions for configuring recaptcha by others config.inc.php: Switch from mysql4 to mysql (trivial), plus enable recaptcha register.tpl.php: Add recaptcha support register.php: Add recaptcha support Modified Paths: -------------- ccoer/trunk/www/config.inc.php ccoer/trunk/www/login.php 2007-07-13T20:56:10 NOTICE: ccoer/trunk/www/register.php ccoer/trunk/www/templates/login.tpl.php ccoer/trunk/www/templates/register.tpl.php Added Paths: ----------- ccoer/trunk/www/recaptcha_config.inc.template Property Changed: ---------------- ccoer/trunk/www/ This was sent by the SourceForge.net collaborative development platform, the world's largest Open Source 2007-07-13T20:56:11 NOTICE: development site. 2007-07-13T20:56:12 NOTICE: SF.net SVN: cctools: [6215] liblicense/tags/0.1: Revision: 6215 http://cctools.svn.sourceforge.net/cctools/?rev=6215&view=rev Author: tannewt Date: 2007-07-13 13:54:35 -0700 (Fri, 13 Jul 2007) Log Message: ----------- Build fixes. 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