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| dpkp | anyone here know LaTeX ? | 00:53 |
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| dpkp | Bovinity: i'm rockin IE6, woohoo | 18:49 |
| Bovinity | yay | 18:49 |
| dpkp | and i found a style update that may work in the main labs stylesheet | 18:49 |
| dpkp | bumping the line-height in #content h2 ... | 18:50 |
| dpkp | for headers that get line wrapped | 18:50 |
| dpkp | like the excessively long one we're staring at | 18:50 |
| dpkp | you think its appropriate for the labs stylesheet? | 18:50 |
| Bovinity | hm, indeed | 18:51 |
| dpkp | would line-height mess with padding or margin rendering? | 18:51 |
| Bovinity | nope | 18:52 |
| Bovinity | tho it's looking fine in firefox | 18:53 |
| Bovinity | a lot of your type is a big excessively big though | 18:54 |
| Bovinity | er, bit | 18:54 |
| dpkp | i know | 18:54 |
| dpkp | mia's call <shrug> | 18:54 |
| Bovinity | for the app, that's fine, some more leading will help... for the intro page, way too big. | 18:56 |
| dpkp | yea, its crazy now that i look at it from ie | 18:59 |
| Bovinity | lol, opera makes the h tags in the intro the same size as the paragraph tags. | 19:00 |
| Bovinity | weird | 19:00 |
| Bovinity | now that's a strange rendering bug | 19:04 |
| Bovinity | ie7 isnt showing the previous question headers | 19:04 |
| dpkp | in the history where we display old answers? | 19:05 |
| Bovinity | yeah | 19:05 |
| Bovinity | is ie6 doing that? | 19:05 |
| dpkp | ie6 is doing some weird banding up there | 19:05 |
| dpkp | but the text is rendered properly | 19:05 |
| Bovinity | dpkp, probably a bug/feature for later, but is there supposed to be no way to go back once the app completes? in the event of a user error in hitting no instead of yes | 19:22 |
| dpkp | not sure that we ever thought about it | 19:23 |
| dpkp | there is supposed to be a start over | 19:24 |
| dpkp | but that doesn't help if it was a mistake | 19:24 |
| Bovinity | yeah | 19:24 |
| Bovinity | it would suck to make a mistake really deep into it :/ | 19:24 |
| dpkp | it shouldn't be hard to back up one screen | 19:24 |
| dpkp | i'll ask mia what she thinks | 19:24 |
| paulproteus | I seem to recall thinking about that in my hack of the tot app that I did. | 19:24 |
| paulproteus | Also, hi. | 19:25 |
| Bovinity | hey | 19:25 |
| Bovinity | while i'm at it, i'll pretty some things up - like those more/less buttons, and such | 19:25 |
| dpkp | why thank ye | 19:25 |
| dpkp | hello mr. proteus | 19:25 |
| paulproteus | Hello Mr. PKP. | 19:25 |
| dpkp | we never met, but i hope my code didn't scare you | 19:25 |
| Bovinity | asheesh meet dana, dana, asheesh. | 19:26 |
| * Bovinity nods | 19:26 | |
| dpkp | did we have prototype in there when you were looking at it pp? | 19:26 |
| paulproteus | I think so. | 19:27 |
| dpkp | whew, cuz boy did it suck before then | 19:27 |
| paulproteus | I have to say, I wasn't too pleased with the hard-coded state transitions. | 19:27 |
| dpkp | where were they coded then? | 19:27 |
| paulproteus | It took me a while to extract what was similar about the state transition logic stuff out into a generic thing that I did. | 19:27 |
| paulproteus | I don't know, "tot.js" or something. | 19:27 |
| paulproteus | I put in the sf svn. | 19:27 |
| Bovinity | i thought we were gong to merge those changes back into tot | 19:28 |
| dpkp | yea, its not the prettiest state machine | 19:28 |
| Bovinity | but apparently not | 19:28 |
| dpkp | i've never looked at them | 19:28 |
| dpkp | link? | 19:28 |
| paulproteus | One sec. | 19:28 |
| dpkp | not that we could get them in today | 19:28 |
| dpkp | but i'd love to take a look | 19:28 |
| paulproteus | https://svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/cctools/nc-survey | 19:28 |
| dpkp | k, i'll check it out | 19:29 |
| dpkp | <snarehit /> | 19:29 |
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| paulproteus | https://svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/cctools/nc-survey/trunk/nc is the most useful I think. | 19:29 |
| paulproteus | Maybe https://svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/cctools/nc-survey/trunk/generic-survey instead. | 19:29 |
| dpkp | how did you organize your state transitions? | 19:29 |
| paulproteus | https://svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/cctools/nc-survey/trunk/nc/is-it-nc.xml | 19:30 |
| paulproteus | I should totally have written a schema for that so I could have used a tree-based XML editor rather than my Emacs to edit it. | 19:30 |
| paulproteus | Maybe I will, in the years beyond 2000. | 19:30 |
| dpkp | so you defined the states in that xml file? | 19:32 |
| paulproteus | Exactly. | 19:32 |
| dpkp | too l33t for my 06 skillz | 19:32 |
| dpkp | i'll give it a look | 19:32 |
| paulproteus | With any luck, you can extend this and stop using hard-coded JS state transitions. | 19:32 |
| paulproteus | dpkp, Remind me what you do other than hack on CC stuff? | 19:33 |
| dpkp | law student | 19:33 |
| paulproteus | Cool. | 19:33 |
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| dpkp | arg | 19:49 |
| dpkp | no progress on ie6 | 19:49 |
| dpkp | this browser sucks | 19:49 |
| paulproteus | dpkp, You know about http://dean.edwards.name/IE7/ , right? | 19:50 |
| paulproteus | (Just in case it'll help you.) | 19:50 |
| paulproteus | iirc it didn't help me, it took Bovinity's magic for that. | 19:50 |
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| dpkp | i hadn't seen it, i'll see if it helps | 20:04 |
| Bovinity | committed a couple layout tweaks | 20:05 |
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| Bovinity | i sure wish IE had some JS/DOM debugging facility, like firefox | 20:12 |
| dpkp | yea, tell me about it | 20:12 |
| Bovinity | required field warning isnt showing up | 20:13 |
| dpkp | on all screens? | 20:13 |
| Bovinity | oh, wait, it aint showing up o n opera | 20:14 |
| Bovinity | and hten if you select something it wont go forward | 20:14 |
| Bovinity | ... | 20:14 |
| Bovinity | ok, it doesnt work at all on opera. | 20:14 |
| Bovinity | but i could have sworn it did before | 20:15 |
| Bovinity | required field is fine on IE. | 20:15 |
| dpkp | works on ie6, too | 20:16 |
| dpkp | you think you could look at the history rendering in IE6 - i'm stumped... | 20:16 |
| Bovinity | not showing up, like in ie7? | 20:16 |
| * Bovinity fires up an ie6 VM | 20:17 | |
| dpkp | theres a white stripe across every entry | 20:17 |
| Bovinity | hm, weird | 20:19 |
| dpkp | its the background from #history | 20:19 |
| Bovinity | it shows more history than 7 does.. | 20:19 |
| Bovinity | have you got an answer script to easily run through this? | 20:20 |
| dpkp | so what i've figured out is the bottom white stripe - who knows, a margin, a padding, something else? | 20:20 |
| Bovinity | or do you just kow the right answers by heart | 20:20 |
| dpkp | know the answers... | 20:20 |
| dpkp | and there's a keypress handler | 20:20 |
| dpkp | so you can hit N or Y | 20:20 |
| dpkp | generally N-N tests history well | 20:20 |
| Bovinity | not in IE6 | 20:21 |
| dpkp | but the keypress doesn't work on all platforms | 20:21 |
| dpkp | right... | 20:21 |
| * dpkp bangs head on desk | 20:21 | |
| Bovinity | is fine, i know enough answers to get enough useful output | 20:21 |
| dpkp | i think #history is the culprit for the banding in ie6 | 20:22 |
| Bovinity | hardcoding a height.. i think it's that animation script | 20:24 |
| Bovinity | IE doesn't redraw the bar properly | 20:24 |
| dpkp | from prototype? | 20:24 |
| Bovinity | right | 20:24 |
| dpkp | suggestion? | 20:25 |
| Bovinity | i think it'll be better if things just appear and not scroll in | 20:25 |
| dpkp | awww | 20:25 |
| dpkp | but we loves the scrolling | 20:25 |
| Bovinity | the scrolling effect is kinda weird | 20:25 |
| Bovinity | maybe a fadein if any thing ;) | 20:26 |
| dpkp | i'll play with it and see if i can fix | 20:27 |
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| dpkp | showHistory() and hideHistory() | 20:27 |
| dpkp | i'm trying Element.hide / show and still getting bands | 20:28 |
| Bovinity | yeah | 20:28 |
| Bovinity | hmm | 20:28 |
| dpkp | where did you see the hardcoded height? | 20:29 |
| Bovinity | the previous bar gets pushed up | 20:29 |
| Bovinity | i added it to style.css | 20:29 |
| Bovinity | hmm | 20:30 |
| dpkp | hmm | 20:30 |
| Bovinity | where do you set the history bar background color? | 20:31 |
| dpkp | using the section1 - section4 classes | 20:31 |
| Bovinity | fixed :) | 20:41 |
| dpkp | i was getting so close | 20:41 |
| dpkp | in svn? | 20:41 |
| Bovinity | it was the classic float problem. | 20:41 |
| Bovinity | in a sec | 20:41 |
| dpkp | i was starting to notice that | 20:41 |
| dpkp | i'm a floating noob | 20:41 |
| Bovinity | so the header bars are now forced to be 1.75em's high, which is just right. | 20:41 |
| Bovinity | svn'd | 20:43 |
| Bovinity | hopefulyl t his fixes iE7 too | 20:44 |
| dpkp | awesome | 20:44 |
| * dpkp bows down to bovinity's leet skillz | 20:45 | |
| Bovinity | sweet, it works | 20:45 |
| Bovinity | :D | 20:45 |
| Bovinity | oh. not quite. | 20:46 |
| dpkp | whats up? | 20:52 |
| Bovinity | aha, fixed | 20:56 |
| Bovinity | can you quickly reload in 6 and see if it still works? | 20:56 |
| dpkp | url? | 20:56 |
| dpkp | or you checked it in? | 20:57 |
| Bovinity | termination.php | 20:57 |
| dpkp | seems to work | 21:00 |
| dpkp | but i'm still trying to figure out what you changed to make sure i didn't mess with it | 21:00 |
| Bovinity | committed | 21:00 |
| Bovinity | the height fixes are in a style-ie.css | 21:01 |
| Bovinity | the page now has a conditional check for IE and loads it | 21:01 |
| dpkp | ahh - you're working in termination/ | 21:01 |
| dpkp | i made a working copy in termdpk/ | 21:01 |
| Bovinity | oh, heh | 21:01 |
| dpkp | cuz i was spazzing out on the ie6 stuff | 21:01 |
| dpkp | whatever you did makes whatever i was doing so much cooler | 21:02 |
| dpkp | at least in firefox | 21:02 |
| dpkp | :) | 21:03 |
| Bovinity | heh | 21:03 |
| dpkp | problem now is that the answer span gets kicked down below the history-header | 21:04 |
| dpkp | in ie6 | 21:04 |
| Bovinity | damnit, i was afraid that might happen | 21:04 |
| dpkp | its the clear:both | 21:05 |
| Bovinity | there | 21:05 |
| Bovinity | apparently clear:none; does exist | 21:05 |
| Bovinity | at least in IE land | 21:05 |
| dpkp | lol | 21:07 |
| dpkp | works here | 21:07 |
| dpkp | so would i make a div height expandable, but have a set minimum ? | 21:11 |
| dpkp | like the width on #content | 21:11 |
| dpkp | i think | 21:11 |
| Bovinity | hm | 21:11 |
| * Bovinity tries something | 21:11 | |
| dpkp | im trying to get #screen to not flip out everytime we show/hide a div | 21:12 |
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| lkern | can anyone help with the WpLicense plugin for wordpress? | 21:13 |
| lkern | having trouble enabling | 21:13 |
| lkern | i have installed and activated in wp admin | 21:14 |
| lkern | now trying to enable in wp admin "options" | 21:15 |
| dpkp | i've never used it... | 21:15 |
| dpkp | but i'm sure someone around here has | 21:15 |
| lkern | but clicking on "select" (as instructed on http://wiki.creativecommons.org/WpLicense#Getting_Help) doesnt do anything | 21:16 |
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| Bovinity | dpkp, do some of the history bars have more than one line of text? | 21:19 |
| dpkp | i don't think so | 21:22 |
| Bovinity | ok | 21:22 |
| dpkp | although the familytree gets filled with lots of sub-bars | 21:22 |
| dpkp | but it isn't styled like the rest | 21:23 |
| Bovinity | yeah, i noticed that after, and gave the history bars a an actual class because of the nesting | 21:23 |
| Bovinity | would have screwed it up again otherwise | 21:23 |
| dpkp | in style-ie | 21:24 |
| Bovinity | and term.php | 21:24 |
| dpkp | check out termdpk/termination.php | 21:24 |
| Bovinity | ooh, fady | 21:25 |
| dpkp | lkern, yergler is the guy who knows wp, but i don't see him around today | 21:25 |
| dpkp | yea, you like? | 21:25 |
| Bovinity | yeah | 21:25 |
| dpkp | ok, i'll check it in | 21:25 |
| Bovinity | can't say i enjoy the page scroll, but thatts a necessary evil i know | 21:25 |
| dpkp | yea, we thought about putting the history to one side, but screen size probably wouldn't work | 21:26 |
| dpkp | it'd be too wide | 21:26 |
| Bovinity | yeah | 21:26 |
| Bovinity | too much info | 21:26 |
| lkern | dpkp: ok thanks i'll try the mailing list | 21:26 |
| dpkp | np | 21:26 |
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| Bovinity | im gonna go grab some lunch. cheers. | 21:27 |
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| dpkp | werd | 21:27 |
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| Bovinity | dpkp, everything seems to be working fine now... dunno if we want to tackle opera bugs today | 22:37 |
| dpkp | hey | 22:46 |
| dpkp | couple thingys on ie | 22:46 |
| dpkp | also on firefox - the <h3> got a bottom border | 22:47 |
| Bovinity | refresh. i was tweaking something. | 22:47 |
| dpkp | ok, up'd | 22:48 |
| dpkp | i'm working on the glossary | 22:48 |
| dpkp | its being weird, but i think all the other stuff is ok | 22:48 |
| dpkp | there's a couple weird 1px lines in the history on firefox/win | 22:49 |
| dpkp | though i've only got ff 1.0.4 | 22:49 |
| Bovinity | where? looks fine in ff2 | 22:49 |
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| dpkp | between the first and second history - employee created work + commissioned work | 22:50 |
| dpkp | also between transfer date and author name | 22:50 |
| Bovinity | msut be an old ff rendering bug | 22:51 |
| dpkp | probably | 22:51 |
| dpkp | no worries | 22:51 |
| dpkp | can you check the glossary on ie7 and ff2 | 22:51 |
| Bovinity | hm, ie gets a url bar | 22:52 |
| Bovinity | otherwise looks fine | 22:52 |
| dpkp | it's supposed to pop open a new window and only show the single entry | 22:55 |
| dpkp | if you click on a link within the entry, it's supposed to show that one | 22:55 |
| dpkp | not sure if i explained that well | 22:55 |
| dpkp | its what nathan wrote last night | 22:55 |
| Bovinity | hm, i thought it was doing that when i looked before.. btu it's not doing that now | 22:55 |
| dpkp | there was a broken tag, i committed a quick fix | 22:56 |
| dpkp | whats seems to be happening now... | 22:57 |
| Bovinity | no change | 22:57 |
| dpkp | is the initial load is to an anchor in the full glossary | 22:57 |
| dpkp | and subsequent entry links (within the glossary window) go to single entries | 22:57 |
| Bovinity | its jsut going to the anchor and not hiding anything | 22:58 |
| Bovinity | also, those links in there to faq items should probably go to a new window or something | 22:58 |
| dpkp | yea | 22:59 |
| dpkp | tried a target="_new" | 22:59 |
| dpkp | but my firefox settings just put it into a new tab | 23:00 |
| dpkp | so i said bah | 23:00 |
| Bovinity | hmm | 23:02 |
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