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| Keyblade | hey, i got an odd question :) | 17:10 |
| Keyblade | Have any religious / missionary materials ever had creative commons liscenses? | 17:11 |
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| Keyblade | thats weird ... i got disconnected but i'm back now - did anybody just say anything ? | 17:14 |
| Keyblade | hrm ... guess nobodys here. :( | 17:15 |
| bkhl | I haven't seen any. | 17:15 |
| bkhl | But then I haven't been looking. | 17:15 |
| bkhl | There's certainly nothing stopping you from putting out religious under a CC license. | 17:16 |
| Keyblade | yeah, i'm trying to convince the guy who is to do that | 17:16 |
| bkhl | http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/1216/p11s01-legn.html | 17:17 |
| bkhl | Kind of related, maybe. | 17:17 |
| Keyblade | He owns the copyright on a (mostly completed) missionary program | 17:17 |
| bkhl | If you don't have a commercial interest, it makes sense. | 17:17 |
| Keyblade | I dont think he does, and he wants people to be able to make copies of the thing | 17:17 |
| bkhl | Seems perfect then. | 17:18 |
| Keyblade | But doesn't want anyone tampering with it (putting in different doctrines or teaching methods) | 17:18 |
| bkhl | If he's worried about people making derivative works going against his convictions, | 17:18 |
| bkhl | ...right... | 17:18 |
| bkhl | he can use one of the NoDerivs licenses. | 17:18 |
| Keyblade | i'm not sure whether he wants noncommercial or not | 17:18 |
| bkhl | Both those are available as separate options. | 17:19 |
| Keyblade | yeah ... but i'm not quite clear on something about the "noncommercial" option | 17:19 |
| bkhl | Together it would be the BY-NC-ND license, if I'm not mistaken. | 17:19 |
| bkhl | I'm not sure I can answer, IANAL, and so forth. | 17:19 |
| bkhl | But shoot. | 17:19 |
| Keyblade | If something's "noncommercial", I assume that means you can't sell it | 17:19 |
| bkhl | Well, you can't sell it with a profit, at least. | 17:20 |
| Keyblade | but can non-profit organizations make copies of it for "suggested donations" ? | 17:20 |
| Keyblade | or even private individuals ? | 17:20 |
| bkhl | That should be fine. | 17:20 |
| bkhl | Especially if the donations are mainly meant to cover the costs of distribution. | 17:20 |
| Keyblade | thats fine WITH the non-commercial thing ? | 17:20 |
| Keyblade | or without ? | 17:20 |
| bkhl | That's a common issue. | 17:20 |
| bkhl | But the consensus seems to be that it's fine for a non-profit to distribute NC content and still ask for donations. | 17:21 |
| Keyblade | ok i'll pass that along :) | 17:21 |
| bkhl | If the donations were mandatory, and exceeded the cost of distribution for the non-profit, it would be another thing. | 17:21 |
| bkhl | Again, IANAL. | 17:21 |
| Keyblade | IANAL ? lemme look that up, 1sec | 17:21 |
| bkhl | I Am Not A Lawyer. | 17:22 |
| Keyblade | ah i am not a lawyer. i get it. | 17:22 |
| Keyblade | ok cool | 17:22 |
| Keyblade | hey, i got another weird, totally unrelated question | 17:23 |
| bkhl | http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/cc-licenses | 17:23 |
| bkhl | might be a good place to get more input. | 17:23 |
| Keyblade | ok | 17:23 |
| Keyblade | i think i might have been subscribed to that at one time | 17:23 |
| Keyblade | i had a weird one then :) - i learend about multi-liscensing | 17:24 |
| bkhl | It's also available as http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.org.creativecommons.licenses | 17:24 |
| bkhl | Go ahead. | 17:24 |
| Keyblade | its kinda cool - you can put more than one CC liscense on your copyrighted work to get very specific about what situations you want to require certain conditions in | 17:25 |
| bkhl | Mostly I guess people like to use one that doesn't allow derivative works but allows commercial use, and vice versa. | 17:25 |
| Keyblade | example: you can say "Non-Commercial Derivitive Works are OK with Share Alike" in one liscense, and then say "Commercial Use of the Original is OK" in the other | 17:26 |
| bkhl | Right. | 17:26 |
| bkhl | The latter would have no-derivatives "on". | 17:27 |
| Keyblade | yeah this stuff is pretty cool | 17:27 |
| bkhl | So you would use both BY-NC-SA and BY-ND, if I get it right. | 17:27 |
| Keyblade | its kinda weird how turntables seems to be such a common concept / theme in the creative commons explanation materials | 17:28 |
| Keyblade | er, yeah thats what i was talking about bkhl. I asked stuff about that on the mailing list a while back | 17:28 |
| Keyblade | do you know anything about vynil emulation ? | 17:28 |
| bkhl | Vinyl? | 17:28 |
| bkhl | No. | 17:28 |
| Keyblade | yeah well i'm sure all these music people must know something about it | 17:29 |
| bkhl | I guess mostly the software people hang out in here. | 17:29 |
| Keyblade | yeah well this is a weird cross between music and software question sort of | 17:30 |
| bkhl | Maybe I'm your man, then. ;-) | 17:31 |
| bkhl | I'm a programmer and a amateur musician. | 17:31 |
| Keyblade | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vinyl_Emulation_Software | 17:31 |
| bkhl | Ah, right. | 17:31 |
| Keyblade | The Free Software movement needs to get one of those | 17:32 |
| bkhl | I saw a device like that in a catalogue. | 17:32 |
| Keyblade | yeah well I've seen the devices in a music store for real, they're cool but that's not the piont | 17:32 |
| Keyblade | ponit | 17:32 |
| Keyblade | You can get your PC to act like a turntable without any extra hardware | 17:32 |
| bkhl | Actually from signal processing point of view it seems pretty simple. | 17:32 |
| Keyblade | yeah | 17:32 |
| bkhl | What you need is basically something that converts beeps or whatever on a record to a MIDI clock signal or something. | 17:33 |
| Keyblade | Anyway, you can get computer programs to do it but they all either suck or cost more than $100 | 17:33 |
| bkhl | And then a plugin for some sequencer or multitracking program to use that for playback in a sensible manner. | 17:33 |
| Keyblade | my trouble is that alot of them are too realistic :) | 17:34 |
| Keyblade | i want one that, as soon as you let go, it just starts playing like normal - the ones I've tried take a second or two to get up to normal speed, like a real turntable would | 17:35 |
| bkhl | I'd write the linux-audio list and see how much interest there is. | 17:35 |
| bkhl | The realtime Csound people might be interested too. | 17:35 |
| Keyblade | yeah maybe there already is something for linux, hey i dunno, i'm still a windows n00b | 17:35 |
| bkhl | Csound is often used for experimental input devices. | 17:35 |
| bkhl | Combining this with a music programming language like Csound or SuperCollider seems like it could be really cool. | 17:36 |
| bkhl | Come to think of it there's also #csound and #supercollider channels here on freenode. | 17:37 |
| Keyblade | maybe i should go ask there ... but i might wanna go read about what csound and supercollider are first :) | 17:38 |
| Keyblade | and i dont have linux so a linux version wouldn't help me :) | 17:38 |
| Keyblade | There's several programs out there | 17:38 |
| bkhl | Csound is available for pretty much all platforms. | 17:38 |
| Keyblade | FL Studio has this "Fruity Scratcher" plugin that is kinda cool | 17:38 |
| bkhl | SuperCollider was a Mac program first, and has been ported to Linux. | 17:38 |
| Keyblade | oh, csound is a music program? lemme get it then. :) | 17:38 |
| bkhl | More like a programming language for music composition. | 17:39 |
| bkhl | It's also one of the oldest pieces of music software still in development. | 17:40 |
| bkhl | Or, more likely, _the_ oldest. | 17:40 |
| Keyblade | o i c | 17:40 |
| Keyblade | well ... thats cool i guess | 17:40 |
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| Keyblade | oh cool - wish I'd known about the Fort Minor ccMixer contest :) | 17:46 |
| Keyblade | i had no idea that Fort Minor was involved with creative commons O_O | 17:46 |
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