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| blo | hello all, i am trying to get the new ccHost running for an k-12 educational bilingual education program and am having some errors, can anyone help? | 03:52 |
| blo | if so please email me @ blowenst@oberlin.edu, all help is greatly appreciated and will make 2nd graders happy | 03:54 |
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| blo | hello | 04:39 |
| ryanlerch | hello | 04:39 |
| blo | are you working to develop ccHost? | 04:39 |
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| ryanlerch | ive been helping test the openclipart cchost implementaion | 04:40 |
| blo | right on! i'd like to help out with that | 04:41 |
| blo | i'm trying to see if i can use it for a bilingual educational program here, but it seems to be only music | 04:41 |
| blo | i really need one that i can use for documents (aka lesson plans) any suggestions? | 04:42 |
| blo | (it = ccHost) | 04:42 |
| ryanlerch | what format are the docs in? | 04:42 |
| blo | could be whatever. check out www.colingo.org/sites/joomla to see the project website | 04:42 |
| ryanlerch | gimme a sec... ill have a squiz... | 04:43 |
| blo | basically what i want to do is to create a collaboratively developed cc-licensed bilingual ed. curriculum | 04:44 |
| ryanlerch | so people can put their documents up, and share and rate and review them... | 04:47 |
| blo | exactly | 04:50 |
| blo | and modify other people's documents....AND so someone who creates a document can easily see all derivations of their document | 04:50 |
| ryanlerch | the openclipart lib is now working for svg, but im not sure what other file formats are supported | 04:50 |
| ryanlerch | www.openclipart.org/cchost | 04:51 |
| ryanlerch | if you want to have a look | 04:51 |
| blo | i'm checking it out now... | 04:52 |
| ryanlerch | im pretty sure there is no versioning support at the moment for cchost, but there is the "remix"ing thing, which is surprisingly taking off in openclipart | 04:52 |
| ryanlerch | versions of different items uploaded into cchost that is | 04:53 |
| ryanlerch | but it would be a useful feature for us as well... | 04:53 |
| blo | yeah, i think if ccHost could accept documents (particularly if it could do in-line editing!) it would be perfect for us | 04:56 |
| blo | joomla already has the in-line editing, if there was only some way to combine the versioning and remixing of ccHost with the joomla interface... | 04:57 |
| ryanlerch | yeah, im really not the best person to talk to, but if you hang in here for a bit, maybe someone with a bit more knowledge about cchost may poke thier head in the room :) | 05:00 |
| blo | hehe | 05:00 |
| blo | thanks for the help bro, much appreciated! | 05:00 |
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| ryanlerch | bro? you are not from NZ are you? | 05:01 |
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| blo | nope, i'm from usa | 05:03 |
| blo | sorry to say :( | 05:04 |
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| blo | hi all, i'm wondering if anyone can field a question about ccHost for a k-12 educational nonprofit? | 17:31 |
| mlinksva | blo, maybe. what's your question? | 17:36 |
| blo | i am working with a bilingual education program called SITES (www.colingo.org/sites/joomla) | 17:37 |
| blo | and we want to create an "open source curriculum" of bilingual language-teaching materials | 17:37 |
| blo | i was looking at ccHost as an ideal backend but i need something for documents | 17:38 |
| blo | either support for .doc files (or openoffice!) or even better, integration with the joomla CMS we already have set-up | 17:39 |
| blo | so teachers could edit documents in-line | 17:39 |
| blo | any suggestions? | 17:39 |
| tannewt | blo, so you want to be able to edit online? like a wiki? | 17:39 |
| blo | right | 17:40 |
| tannewt | why not a wiki? | 17:40 |
| blo | but also so that each document was treated as an independent work, with it's own license | 17:40 |
| tannewt | ah, hmm | 17:40 |
| blo | the idea is that teachers can maintain some control of their ideas/lesson plans/ etc under a cc LICENSE | 17:41 |
| tannewt | can joomla edit those documents like a wiki? | 17:41 |
| tannewt | right, makes sense | 17:41 |
| blo | yeah, joomla is great | 17:41 |
| tannewt | so you just need the licensing bit in joomla? | 17:41 |
| blo | since they both use mysql is it possible to hook the two together? | 17:41 |
| blo | basically, but also a versioning function would be great | 17:41 |
| blo | so i could receive notifications when anyone makes a new version of my lesson plan | 17:42 |
| blo | (email notifications) | 17:42 |
| tannewt | hmm, hooking two things together is always more difficult than it sounds | 17:42 |
| blo | i would certainly have no clue how to do it | 17:43 |
| blo | but you could also make a module for joomla, right? | 17:43 |
| blo | i just like the format of cchost | 17:43 |
| blo | great work btw | 17:44 |
| tannewt | I've never worked with joomla or cchost, just drupal | 17:44 |
| mlinksva | blo, it is possible to make ccHost accept any file type, so .doc or OOo would be no problem | 17:44 |
| blo | oh fantastic! | 17:44 |
| blo | how? | 17:44 |
| mlinksva | however, integrating cchost and joomla in one site would probably be a significant undertaking | 17:44 |
| blo | well i'll stick with simplicity | 17:45 |
| blo | i can run the content part purely on cchost and only use joomla for the news /etc | 17:45 |
| mlinksva | blo, i think it is an admin setting, rejon could say for sure if he wasn't away | 17:45 |
| mlinksva | that split should work | 17:45 |
| blo | ?? | 17:46 |
| mlinksva | you might want to introduce yourself and post questions to the cctools-cchost list, where the main developers as well as other people using cchost for education will answer | 17:46 |
| blo | good idea! i just subscribed to the list yesterday, and i will post this there | 17:47 |
| mlinksva | great! :) | 17:47 |
| blo | but any idea how i could change that admin setting? the program is starting and it would be great to get a preliminary solution figured out asap... | 17:48 |
| blo | aka any hint on where to look? | 17:48 |
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| mlinksva | rejon, do you know? see blo's question above | 18:10 |
| blo | thank you all very much for the help... | 18:12 |
| tannewt | blo, good luck sounds like a cool project | 18:13 |
| blo | thanks! i'd like to work with you all to apply this stuff to education | 18:14 |
| blo | i think the new CcHost is very very promising and hope I can use it in this project | 18:15 |
| tannewt | blo, I'm interested in making video and audio available for kids to use in projects etc. | 18:15 |
| blo | it's perfect for teaching languages, which is best taught spoken | 18:15 |
| tannewt | right | 18:15 |
| blo | my objective is to wean schools off paying money for lousy textbooks for teaching languages and thus make language learning both cheaper and more interactive and thus effective | 18:16 |
| tannewt | blo, I agree, my German books in high school were tedious | 18:17 |
| blo | they're probably still teaching with the same books... | 18:18 |
| tannewt | I only graduated a year ago ;-) | 18:18 |
| blo | lol! | 18:18 |
| * tannewt grins | 18:18 | |
| * tannewt plugs http://www.openroadtrip.net, his project | 18:19 | |
| blo | well, in that case the books have another 50 years coming...i'm checking out the plug | 18:19 |
| tannewt | blo, excellent | 18:20 |
| blo | tannewt, cool project! are you still on the road? | 18:22 |
| tannewt | blo, nope, it was from June 23 to July 21 | 18:22 |
| rejon | hi | 18:23 |
| rejon | what up blo | 18:23 |
| blo | what up rejon | 18:23 |
| blo | perhaps you know the answer to the .doc question? | 18:23 |
| rejon | sure, i'm a cchost dev | 18:23 |
| rejon | let me catch up on your posts | 18:24 |
| rejon | ok, hi! | 18:27 |
| rejon | blo: all this sounds great | 18:27 |
| rejon | blo: we are adding a solution to cchost so you can allow any filetype blindly | 18:28 |
| blo | wow, amazing! | 18:28 |
| blo | thanks! | 18:28 |
| rejon | right now we use a library called getid3 for doing this, but it doesn't support all filetypes, but allows us to embed metadata into several diff. types | 18:28 |
| rejon | however, we have recently added support for XML and SVG to cchost and getid3 | 18:28 |
| rejon | so, adding support to other doc. formats that route has been pioneered | 18:29 |
| rejon | I would recommend you to ask on the list and put some of the documents you would like to use online somewhere (give url) and ask if we can support | 18:29 |
| rejon | there are a few other ppl. working on this teaching materials hosting project | 18:29 |
| blo | really? i'd love to talk to them | 18:29 |
| rejon | I think you guys should a.) either coordinate b.) work together (more heads are better than one) c.) talk | 18:30 |
| rejon | yep | 18:30 |
| blo | absolutely, i had no idea anything was going on. any suggestions on how to get in contact with them? | 18:30 |
| * tannewt needs to get on all CC mailing lists | 18:30 | |
| rejon | whoa | 18:31 |
| rejon | ;) | 18:31 |
| rejon | the most active ones are the cc-devel list | 18:31 |
| tannewt | I'm not saying I'll read all the emails | 18:31 |
| rejon | mlinksva: weren't you going to collapse the cc-metadata list to cc-devel? | 18:31 |
| rejon | honestly, the cc-community one is maybe 1-2 emails every 1-2 weeks | 18:31 |
| rejon | I'm trying to get more ppl. onto that list | 18:31 |
| tannewt | hmm, I'm already on -community, -devel and -education | 18:32 |
| rejon | hahah | 18:32 |
| blo | rejon would it be possible to go beyond .doc support and actually have an in-line editor like mediawiki? | 18:32 |
| mlinksva | cctools-cchost is the best place to talk about cchost. other folks working on cchost for education (teach forward) are on that list | 18:32 |
| rejon | blo: yes, all is possible ;) just more time | 18:32 |
| rejon | blo: that is another feature you should request...I've been wanting to add that as well to allow for editing of the pages inline | 18:33 |
| mlinksva | rejon, will probably collapse them eventually, but it isn't high priority | 18:33 |
| rejon | blo: also, I have been talking with joomla devs. about a cc licensing module for their thing | 18:33 |
| blo | wow, that would be amazing... | 18:34 |
| mlinksva | rejon, isn't it possible right now to upload any file type by disabling getid3 via an admin or config setting? | 18:34 |
| rejon | thats a good question...I'm trying that right now | 18:34 |
| blo | rejon: that is really what i need, and joomla already has the inline editing and i could have registered users | 18:34 |
| rejon | victor set it up to allow one to turn it off | 18:34 |
| rejon | blo: the hard part about what you are doing, or rather tricky part is to make sure you use the same user/pass for both installations | 18:35 |
| rejon | you don't ever want to have to dev. some synchronization code | 18:35 |
| rejon | better to just use the same db | 18:35 |
| rejon | so your ppl. don't have to login/logout | 18:35 |
| rejon | yet another feature you should pose on the list | 18:36 |
| rejon | http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Mailing_Lists | 18:36 |
| blo | rejon, tell me the easiest way to start from scratch for now | 18:36 |
| rejon | I would build your whole site in cchost | 18:36 |
| rejon | If you want me to be frank, I can | 18:37 |
| rejon | ;) | 18:37 |
| blo | scratch joomla? | 18:37 |
| rejon | but wait, I'm rejon | 18:37 |
| rejon | yes | 18:37 |
| rejon | Joomla is okay for some needs, but if you want to jump on the bandwagon and have an awesome community, hook up with us :) | 18:37 |
| rejon | our dev. is really picking up | 18:38 |
| blo | absolutely, sounds good to me! | 18:38 |
| rejon | yep | 18:38 |
| rejon | victor and I have been adding things to help customizations more | 18:38 |
| blo | but i need a site this week, because this program is starting...hence i made the joomla one @ www.colingo.org/sites/joomla | 18:38 |
| rejon | so you have development chops and/or no how to code? | 18:38 |
| blo | not so much... | 18:39 |
| blo | joomla is an easy backbone which is my saving grace | 18:39 |
| rejon | do you speak spanish? | 18:39 |
| blo | claro q si | 18:39 |
| blo | vos? | 18:39 |
| rejon | no | 18:39 |
| rejon | ;) | 18:39 |
| blo | yeah, i can help with any translations | 18:39 |
| rejon | I have 25% korean skills and 10% mandarin | 18:40 |
| blo | wow, a precise learner! | 18:40 |
| rejon | but I had a dream about everyone speaking spanish but me last night | 18:40 |
| tannewt | rejon, its because you live in California | 18:40 |
| blo | check out my other project www.colingo.org which is spanish-language-exchanges for adults | 18:40 |
| rejon | ;) | 18:40 |
| rejon | Yes, we need a good spanish translation of cchost | 18:41 |
| rejon | that is one of the big things we added in the last release is localizations upport | 18:41 |
| rejon | thats pretty cool | 18:41 |
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| blo | i actually know a drum-and-bass / techie in Santiago, Chile who would be totally into this. i am going to send him an email | 18:41 |
| rejon | cool | 18:41 |
| rejon | blo: where do you live? | 18:41 |
| blo | rejon: currently in oberlin, ohio. this summer in san francisco | 18:42 |
| blo | rejon: born and raised in massachusetts, and i went traveling south america for a while | 18:42 |
| rejon | blo: too bad you didn't ping us in SF...we are in SF | 18:43 |
| rejon | cool | 18:43 |
| blo | were you at linuxworld? | 18:44 |
| blo | i met some cc people at the booth | 18:44 |
| rejon | aha...ok, cool | 18:46 |
| rejon | Cool, did you have tux tattoed on your forearm? | 18:46 |
| rejon | blo: I just tested cchost without getid3 and you can upload anything | 18:47 |
| rejon | cool | 18:47 |
| blo | rejon: no way! | 18:47 |
| rejon | yep | 18:47 |
| blo | how can i take off getid3? | 18:47 |
| blo | just delete the folder? | 18:47 |
| rejon | in the "manage site" interface | 18:48 |
| blo | ok...i'm going there... | 18:48 |
| rejon | just uncheck the "GetID3 File Verify Enabled" checkbox | 18:48 |
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| blo | rejon: good work! that will definitely allow us to get started! | 18:52 |
| bovinity | blo: i think i remmeber meeting you at LWE | 18:53 |
| blo | rejon: now if we could only do it all in-line within ccHost... | 18:53 |
| bovinity | i met a few people who were intested in cc/education related work | 18:53 |
| blo | bovinity: i hope that's a good thing...lol | 18:53 |
| blo | bovinity: i was the one talking about language learning | 18:54 |
| rejon | cool | 18:55 |
| blo | anyone know where i could find someone who would host this site? obviously we don't have any money. If I can't find anywhere else I might put it on the public school network but it may be difficult for me to get permission to install programs /etc... | 18:58 |
| rejon | ibiblio.org might | 18:59 |
| rejon | honestly, you shoule email the list and talk to ppl. doing similar efforts | 18:59 |
| rejon | reduce some fractions | 18:59 |
| blo | yeah you're absolutely right...i'll email the list today. better to mail -education or cchost-tools? | 19:00 |
| mlinksva | probably not -education, it was originally for education-related licensing discussions | 19:02 |
| mlinksva | though i haven't checked it in a long time | 19:02 |
| blo | thanks, i'll stick with the cchost list | 19:04 |
| rejon | yep | 19:07 |
| rejon | cool blo | 19:07 |
| blo | rejon thanks again for the help, i'm looking forward to helping you develop. should i talk to the joomla people too? | 19:08 |
| rejon | ;) | 19:09 |
| rejon | This is my constant recommendation: fastest line to getting your project up and running before anything else | 19:10 |
| rejon | getting ready to do a cchost 3.0.4 believe it or not | 19:16 |
| rejon | man | 19:16 |
| rejon | or rather 3.0.3 | 19:16 |
| rejon | just posted up 3.0.2 and found some more bugs | 19:17 |
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| blo | okay, thanks all, i'm off to show the new developments to the teacher i'm working with... | 19:33 |
| blo | peace | 19:34 |
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