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| Luke | paulproteus: you around? | 16:57 |
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| paulproteus | Luke, Yup. | 17:09 |
| Luke | i'm writing nunit tests for my cc-sharp lib but i'm not quite sure about somethings | 17:16 |
| Luke | should I have like... test mp3 files included? | 17:16 |
| paulproteus | Luke, Give me a link to your source and I'll see. | 17:17 |
| paulproteus | Typically you just test the routines you wrote, trusting that others' code works the way it should. | 17:18 |
| Luke | http://svn.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.cgi/cctools/cc-sharp/trunk/ | 17:18 |
| paulproteus | Let me wait for SF not to be broken. | 17:19 |
| Luke | hahaha | 17:19 |
| Luke | damn sf | 17:19 |
| Luke | http://cc.monoport.com/627 | 17:22 |
| paulproteus | Luke, Just test the code you've written. | 17:25 |
| Luke | what'd you mean? | 17:25 |
| Luke | mike wanted "tests" =D | 17:25 |
| Luke | everything is tested and works but not in a formal way like nunit | 17:26 |
| paulproteus | Luke, Well, let me put it this way: Why do you think it works? | 17:26 |
| paulproteus | What exactly did you do to verify that? | 17:26 |
| Luke | i have main methods in my classes | 17:26 |
| paulproteus | Let's say I don't believe you that your XPathExpression is correct. Can you write an Nunit test that shows that it is? | 17:26 |
| Luke | uh... no you just have to use it i think | 17:27 |
| Luke | i mean you could? | 17:27 |
| Luke | and because banshee uses it =D | 17:27 |
| paulproteus | Luke, Right, you write a unit test that uses it and makes assertions about the return value. | 17:28 |
| paulproteus | Typically you write one unit test per return possibility of each function. | 17:28 |
| Luke | should it all use the same MP3? | 17:28 |
| paulproteus | If your functions aren't structured for easy unit testing, fix that. (-: | 17:29 |
| paulproteus | You might be able to get away with restructuring your functions so they don't depend on MP3 input but instead so they're called on data pre-extracted from the MP3s. Then you don't have to ship an MP3 at all. | 17:29 |
| Luke | well they are... but i dont have that data to test it =D | 17:29 |
| Luke | it could be anything, it just needs 3 variables | 17:30 |
| Luke | string fileUri, string licenseUri, string metadataUri | 17:30 |
| paulproteus | I guess the easiest for you would be to bundle a few MP3s for testing. | 17:30 |
| paulproteus | I say "a few" because they would have to have different metadata for you to really do tests. | 17:30 |
| paulproteus | Conveniently for you, you don't care about the contents of the MP3, so they can be 0 minute, 0 second MP3s with lots of metadata. | 17:31 |
| paulproteus | Or they can be 10 minutes of random noise if you'd rather. | 17:31 |
| Luke | they need to be hashed | 17:31 |
| Luke | so i need file data, and then i need a website | 17:31 |
| paulproteus | re: file data: just calculate the hashes using an external utility. re: website: Don't you have web space somewhere? | 17:32 |
| Luke | yea I do but should my test depend on my webspace? | 17:32 |
| paulproteus | Luke, For now, I guess it has to. | 17:33 |
| Luke | There is a difference between bugtesting myself and prooving to others that i've tested it | 17:33 |
| paulproteus | Maybe once you have the tests written I can show you how I'd refactor them to avoid requiring the web site dependency. | 17:33 |
| paulproteus | Luke, This isn't about proving to others that you've tested it. | 17:33 |
| paulproteus | It's about (a) when others make changes, so they can know if they broke things, and (b) when you make changes, you can automatically be notified of if you broke things. | 17:34 |
| paulproteus | It's also for (c) showing people that their systems are weird when the automated tests work on your machine but not theirs. | 17:34 |
| Luke | ah | 17:34 |
| Luke | so it can depend on my personal website and mp3s and such? | 17:34 |
| paulproteus | It's better if it doesn't, obviously, but it can. The tests must run everywhere there is an Internet connection. | 17:35 |
| paulproteus | It's also good for automated testing of e.g. new C# compilers or optimization settings. | 17:35 |
| paulproteus | It also serves as documentation for how to use your API, since you're now guaranteed to provide examples. | 17:36 |
| Luke | ok thats what I thought. I can test most of my subrutines with no dependancies on my website but the final verificaion is very specific on how its supposed to work | 17:36 |
| Luke | I guess the actual verification class is kind of a special case | 17:37 |
| paulproteus | Here's what I suggest: Write all the tests you're comfortable writing. | 17:37 |
| paulproteus | And if the verification stuff can't *clearly* be shown to work just by looking at the code, then write a test for it. | 17:37 |
| paulproteus | It's not so bad to have the tests depend on your website. | 17:38 |
| Luke | well I could include an html file | 17:38 |
| Luke | but its ok to have the tests depend on external files right? | 17:38 |
| paulproteus | And use a file:/ URI? | 17:38 |
| paulproteus | Yeah, sure. | 17:39 |
| Luke | yea | 17:39 |
| Luke | awesome! thanks for your help | 17:39 |
| Luke | i'm gunna grab some lunch | 17:39 |
| paulproteus | Sure thing. Have fun eating. | 17:39 |
| Luke | ty | 17:39 |
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| gregdek | mlinksva: ping :) | 19:06 |
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| mlinksva | gregdek, pong | 19:09 |
| mlinksva | gregdek, got your email, responding | 19:10 |
| gregdek | Awesome. Real-time, heh. | 19:11 |
| gregdek | Got a couple of RH geeks who just joined the fray: alikins and lmacken. The cchost stuff is great; we're digging through it right now. | 19:12 |
| alikins | indeed | 19:15 |
| mlinksva | alikins, lmacken, hi and welcome. rejon is a cchost developer who is often in this channel but not online right now. the best place for cchost discussion is cc-devel@lists.ibiblio.org | 19:23 |
| mlinksva | i'm happy to attempt to answer anything though :) | 19:23 |
| tannewt | whats the deal with cchost? | 19:23 |
| mlinksva | tannewt, what do you mean? | 19:23 |
| tannewt | I'm just interested in what you guys are talking about | 19:24 |
| tannewt | not necessarily specifically cchost | 19:24 |
| mlinksva | http://wiki.creativecommons.org/CcHost | 19:24 |
| tannewt | ah, right | 19:26 |
| tannewt | brb | 19:26 |
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| alikins | mlinkska: cool | 19:28 |
| lmacken | mlinksva: thanks | 19:40 |
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