Saturday, 2006-07-22

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cchelpbotNew news from http://creativecommons.org/weblog/rss: Three open format media contests <http://creativecommons.org/weblog/entry/5985>00:19
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Dualhi00:38
paulproteusHi Dual.00:39
Dualhave are you paulproteus00:40
paulproteusI'm pretty well. (-:00:41
Dual:)00:41
Dualim from turkey00:41
Dualyou?00:41
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paulproteusI'm in the US, but bye.00:42
paulproteusmlinksva, Are you reading AIM, btw?01:29
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weaverGrettings!16:03
weaverBig list?16:03
weaverHow many devs on this project?16:04
weaverNobody talking?16:05
weaverO.K.16:05
paulproteusweaver, On which project?17:02
paulproteusThis is the official channel for Creative Commons, and it also runs some software projects.17:02
paulproteusSo I wonder which software project you mean.17:02
weaverJust saw the developer tag, so asked the obvious.17:05
paulproteusNeat. (-:17:06
paulproteusHow'd you end up here?17:06
paulproteusAre you looking for help with something, or just passing by between freenode rooms?17:06
weaverI'm on the cc-edu and icommons projects.17:06
paulproteusOh!17:06
paulproteusI'm a tech intern at the CC office in San Francisco.17:06
weaverBut I've also been with the Debian project for a few years.17:07
weaverO.K.17:07
weaverSo, what's happening in code. Pages or programmes?17:08
Lukepaulproteus: wanna check out cc-sharp?17:09
paulproteusLuke, Well, I don't know C#, but I hear it looks a lot like Java. (-:17:09
weaverDon't go there.17:10
Lukepaulproteus: this is true =)17:10
Lukeweaver: http://svn.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.cgi/cctools/17:10
Lukepaulproteus: http://svn.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.cgi/cctools/cc-sharp17:10
paulproteusLuke, I'm already there. (-:17:10
Luketight17:10
Lukepaulproteus: your a tech intern?17:11
paulproteusLuke, Yup.17:11
Lukepaulproteus: awesome. I was accepted but couldnt afford to move out to SF from ohio17:11
weaverRight. I'm usually working with C and Python for oo, but I've been looking at Ruby lately. Do a bit of eiffel and lisp.17:11
paulproteushttp://creativecommons.org/about/people#60 (-:17:11
paulproteusLuke, Oh, that's you!?17:11
Lukeyea17:12
Lukehaha17:12
Lukeyou know of me?17:12
paulproteusI think Mike mentioned there was a prospective tech intern who had that problem.17:12
Lukeyea17:12
Lukei really wanted to move out there17:12
paulproteusIt's not crazy expensive to live here; I'm paying $675 a month for rent for each of two months and finishing up with family in the area.17:13
Lukehaha for me that is a lot. I pay ~400 for rent at home17:13
paulproteusI was paying $500 a month in Baltimore, and I found a subletter for that apartment.17:13
* paulproteus nods17:13
Lukeplus I had already been accepted and payed for my study abroad in russia17:13
Lukeso I was in russia for a month17:14
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Lukepaulproteus: whats with your irc handle not being anything like your name =) hahaha17:16
weaverIf you hang around the 'net for any time, that's the way it is.17:17
Lukei've been around17:18
Lukelong enough to register the name luke with freenode =)17:18
paulproteusApparently! (-:17:18
Lukepaulproteus: what language do you primarily program in?17:20
paulproteusPython when I get a chance, and I usually do.17:20
Lukei feel like i'm the only CCer that doesnt use python =)17:20
weaverNever mind. It'll all change when you get a good OS.17:21
Lukewhat OS is that?17:22
weaverI equate C# with MS.17:22
Lukehttp://wiki.creativecommons.org/CcBanshee is my project17:22
Luke*I* equate C# with Mono =)17:23
weaverO.K., I've heard good things of that.17:23
LukeC# is not my preffered language by any means. I use C if I can17:23
Lukebut Banshee is new and big... CC needs publicity. Banshee is in C# so I learned C# for this project17:24
Lukei havent even sat down at a windows computer in 5+ years17:24
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Lukeweaver: what projects do you work on?17:25
weaverI have, but they don't belong to me. I help peope out that get into trouble with systems that get loaded up with junk sometimes. My hands feel dirty each time it happens.17:26
Lukehaha17:26
Lukeunless the problem happens before windows boots, i cant fix it17:26
weaverYou'll catch me on Debian-devel under another tag, I do a bit on Postgresql, and a couple of doc projects keep me busy, along with a new modular accounting project.17:27
paulproteusweaver, What's your @debian username?17:28
weaverKatipo, ometimes weaver.17:28
weaverI'm not on the server, i help one of the senior postgresql developers do the debian package.17:30
weaverL. I can't believe some of them. They run without a firewall, and can't understand why they don't have a clean box.17:32
Lukeweaver: thats cool17:37
Lukewho runs without firewall?17:37
weaverAn amazing number of MS end users. O.K., It's 1.30 here. Time for bed. Now I know where you are, I'll drop by.17:39
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Lukeweaver: see ya17:39
Luketannewt: what do you develop for gentoo?17:39
Lukepackage maintainer?17:39
tannewtLuke, bugday stuff17:40
Lukeoh cool17:40
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Lukei see you in here a lot and was just wondering =)17:40
tannewtLuke, but I've been working on my own project17:40
tannewtpaulproteus, I'm home17:40
Luketannewt: what project is that?17:40
tannewtLuke, http://www.openroadtrip.net17:41
Lukewow its a cool site17:42
Lukewhat is it though =D17:42
tannewtmy friend and I drove around the US interviewing something like 14 people about open content and open source software17:43
tannewtexploring the effects of the internet on culture17:44
Lukethat is really awesome17:44
Lukehow did you pay for this?17:44
Lukeand your making a documentery about it?17:44
tannewtLuke, working and leftover college money17:44
tannewtLuke, eventually17:45
Lukethat is really awesome17:45
Lukeheh i said that already =)17:45
tannewtLuke, thanks, I got back last night at like 1:30 am17:46
Lukeha wow you must be so tired17:46
tannewtdrove ~ 850 miles yesterday17:46
tannewta bit but I'm gonna work on putting more on the site17:46
tannewtLuke, where you from?17:48
Lukecleveland ohio17:48
Lukei'm an undergrad of CS at purdue university17:49
tannewtnice17:49
tannewtyou do any open source projects?17:49
Lukehttp://svn.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.cgi/cctools/cc-sharp/17:49
LukeC# creative commons lib17:49
tannewtah, righ17:49
tannewtt17:49
Lukealso ccBanshee (http://wiki.creativecommons.org/CcBanshee) which uses cc-sharp17:49
Lukeand I used to do work on ipodlinux17:50
Lukehttp://www.ipodlinux.org17:50
tannewtah fun17:50
tannewt:-)17:51
Luke=)17:51
Lukehow did you get involved with gentoo?17:51
Lukegentoo was my first linux distro btw =)17:51
tannewtI just offered to help with bugdays17:52
Lukeso what do you do for that?17:52
tannewtwell, I haven't done much17:53
Lukeoh =)17:54
tannewtbut I provide ideas for making it better17:54
tannewtbut like I said I get distracted with my own projects17:54
Lukevery cool17:55
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tannewtLuke, yeah, just wait until some of the video is on the site :-)17:55
Lukelet me know when you do. i love that kinda stuff17:56
Lukehttp://www.openradix.org/ is my blog17:56
Lukei just went to russia and argentina this summer17:56
tannewtyeah, I'm gonna get on it I think17:57
tannewtthe interviews will be uploaded first17:57
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Lukee-star: how's your banshee working?18:04
Lukeoh nevermind... thats e-type18:05
Lukehaha18:05
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Lukemlinksva: http://svn.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.cgi/cctools/cc-sharp/18:13
Lukemy cc-sharp C# lib18:13
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mlinksvaLuke, looks good overall, a few comments18:27
mlinksva- tests needed18:27
mlinksva- RdfParser is a bad name, it is really something like an RdfXmlExtractor18:28
mlinksva- i wonder if the expected license_uri can't just be part of the xpath expression in FindLicenseInMetadata() (not that it really matters)18:30
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mlinksva- i see some license property images in data but nothing to map them to license uris18:33
mlinksvait might be good to have the images named to easily map directly to url components (eg by.png)18:34
mlinksvathat's all of my comments.  the first is most important :)18:34
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Lukemlinksva: good comments19:32
Lukewhat kind of tests are you looking for? I've been testing with ccBanshee and using the main methods inside the classes19:33
paulproteusLuke, Unit test!19:34
LukeXPath cant find the license_uri because most rdf are inside comments which breaks the xml tree19:34
Lukeso your right. RdfParser is really and RdfExtractor19:35
Lukeor RdfXmlExtractor like you said19:35
Lukepaulproteus: i dont know about usit test19:35
Lukeunit*19:35
paulproteusHey.19:38
paulproteusYou don't know about unit testing?  Egad!19:38
paulproteusLet's fix that!19:38
paulproteusLuke, Read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_test to see what they are.19:40
paulproteusIt looks like http://www.nunit.org/ is the appropriate unit testing framework for C#/.NET.19:41
Lukepaulproteus: oh this is awesome19:42
Lukethanks19:42
paulproteushttp://www.nunit.org/index.php?p=quickStart&r=2.419:42
paulproteusUnit testing is great because now you know when you break things that used to work.19:44
paulproteusPreferably, you should write the test first, commit that, then write the implementation and commit that.19:44
paulproteusAlso, it serves as de facto examples for an API.19:44
Lukeawesome i'll look into this more19:53
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bdillyhi guys21:03
bdillyI want to translate ccHost and ccPublisher into Brazilian Portuguese, but languages need to be assigned to projects by server admin21:04
bdillyI emailed project and language to software@creativecommons.org few days ago, but I didn't receive any answer.21:04
bdillyWhat shoul I do?21:04
Lukehey21:10
Lukeyou might want to email nathan directly21:10
bdillyok, I will do it. thanks21:11
Lukedo you have his email?21:11
bdillyyeah21:12
Lukek21:12
Lukegoodluck21:12
bdilly=) thanks21:13
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rejonoh, for anyone creating a language, etc, please post to the cctools bugtracker on sourceforge22:55
rejonI mean the patch tracker22:56
rejonalso send email to cc-devel mailing list22:56
rejonthat is better than software@cc.org22:56
Lukehe left but i'll let him know if I see him or anyone else ask22:58
rejon(i'm emailing him)22:58
rejonalways post to the community mailing list22:58
rejonbest way to get answer, etc22:58
Lukek22:59
rejonhe has commit access...he should just commit to the codebases22:59
Lukerejon: i've posted my cc-sharp lib if you'd like to take a look?22:59
rejonthat is awesome23:00
rejonI just got a full patch for full svg support for getid323:00
rejonthanks to Roan23:00
Lukehttp://svn.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.cgi/cctools/cc-sharp/23:00
rejonRoan is awesome and worshipped by many now :)23:00
Lukesvg support in getid3?23:00
Lukewhy would there be svg's in and id3?23:00
rejonyeah, the project name is misleading23:01
rejonLuke: you really helped with your xpath stuff23:01
Lukereally? =)23:01
Lukehelped who?23:01
rejonit would be useful if you scanned through the Developer Challenges for the formats and added the xpath(s) for any dublincore metadata23:01
rejonthis will help others23:01
rejonalso, he added the generic xml module for general xml files for getid323:02
rejonwhich is awesome!23:02
rejonLuke: this looks super good23:02
Luke=D23:02
Lukethanks for pushing me to make a CC lib23:03
rejonhell yeah23:03
rejonwe need to do a big press release with all this burst of activity23:03
rejonhopefully can get some more ppl. on board to use for their C# and php apps23:03
Lukeyea we do23:03
rejonat least blog post first :)23:03
Lukei just got my friend interested23:03
rejonexcellent23:03
rejonits the new crack :)23:03
Lukehe's my coding partner and is looking for projects23:04
Lukehahaha23:04
rejonextreme programming23:04
rejon;)23:04
Lukehe loves python too23:04
rejonexcellent23:04
Lukei think CC needs to get coders in different prog langs to extend more programs (like banshee)23:04
Lukei want to look at f-stop next23:04
rejonyes, agree23:04
Lukef-spot*23:04
Lukei'm gunna grab some dinner23:05
rejonalso, it would be great for you to post to mono and other open source apps that use C# in order to get programmers to plug into this effort23:05
rejonwhere is your blog?23:05
Lukehttp://www.openradix.org/23:05
rejonshould get you added to the different planet mono-based sites23:05
Luketoday I got a few guys from mono interested in CC23:05
rejonthis helps much in cross-pollination23:05
rejonyep23:05
rejonawesome23:05
Luketrue23:05
Lukewill you be on in an hour or so?23:06
rejonmaybe...23:06
rejonits really hot today in SF, so have to go check out some relaxation in the sun23:06
Lukei'd like to talk to you more about my cc-sharp lib and pick your brain =)23:06
rejonexcellent23:06
rejonwill def. be on in the evening23:06
Lukei'll see you around no matter what so dont worry about staying on =)23:06
Lukeok cool23:06
Lukesee ya23:06
rejonLuke: it would be great for you to blog about your efforts23:06
rejonthen I can write blog post that connects to your blog, for bringing you much traffic, etc23:07
rejonpce23:07
Roanhi rejon, thanks for the props :)23:25

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