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| cchelpbot | New news from http://creativecommons.org/weblog/rss: Three open format media contests <http://creativecommons.org/weblog/entry/5985> | 00:19 |
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| Dual | hi | 00:38 |
| paulproteus | Hi Dual. | 00:39 |
| Dual | have are you paulproteus | 00:40 |
| paulproteus | I'm pretty well. (-: | 00:41 |
| Dual | :) | 00:41 |
| Dual | im from turkey | 00:41 |
| Dual | you? | 00:41 |
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| paulproteus | I'm in the US, but bye. | 00:42 |
| paulproteus | mlinksva, Are you reading AIM, btw? | 01:29 |
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| weaver | Grettings! | 16:03 |
| weaver | Big list? | 16:03 |
| weaver | How many devs on this project? | 16:04 |
| weaver | Nobody talking? | 16:05 |
| weaver | O.K. | 16:05 |
| paulproteus | weaver, On which project? | 17:02 |
| paulproteus | This is the official channel for Creative Commons, and it also runs some software projects. | 17:02 |
| paulproteus | So I wonder which software project you mean. | 17:02 |
| weaver | Just saw the developer tag, so asked the obvious. | 17:05 |
| paulproteus | Neat. (-: | 17:06 |
| paulproteus | How'd you end up here? | 17:06 |
| paulproteus | Are you looking for help with something, or just passing by between freenode rooms? | 17:06 |
| weaver | I'm on the cc-edu and icommons projects. | 17:06 |
| paulproteus | Oh! | 17:06 |
| paulproteus | I'm a tech intern at the CC office in San Francisco. | 17:06 |
| weaver | But I've also been with the Debian project for a few years. | 17:07 |
| weaver | O.K. | 17:07 |
| weaver | So, what's happening in code. Pages or programmes? | 17:08 |
| Luke | paulproteus: wanna check out cc-sharp? | 17:09 |
| paulproteus | Luke, Well, I don't know C#, but I hear it looks a lot like Java. (-: | 17:09 |
| weaver | Don't go there. | 17:10 |
| Luke | paulproteus: this is true =) | 17:10 |
| Luke | weaver: http://svn.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.cgi/cctools/ | 17:10 |
| Luke | paulproteus: http://svn.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.cgi/cctools/cc-sharp | 17:10 |
| paulproteus | Luke, I'm already there. (-: | 17:10 |
| Luke | tight | 17:10 |
| Luke | paulproteus: your a tech intern? | 17:11 |
| paulproteus | Luke, Yup. | 17:11 |
| Luke | paulproteus: awesome. I was accepted but couldnt afford to move out to SF from ohio | 17:11 |
| weaver | Right. I'm usually working with C and Python for oo, but I've been looking at Ruby lately. Do a bit of eiffel and lisp. | 17:11 |
| paulproteus | http://creativecommons.org/about/people#60 (-: | 17:11 |
| paulproteus | Luke, Oh, that's you!? | 17:11 |
| Luke | yea | 17:12 |
| Luke | haha | 17:12 |
| Luke | you know of me? | 17:12 |
| paulproteus | I think Mike mentioned there was a prospective tech intern who had that problem. | 17:12 |
| Luke | yea | 17:12 |
| Luke | i really wanted to move out there | 17:12 |
| paulproteus | It's not crazy expensive to live here; I'm paying $675 a month for rent for each of two months and finishing up with family in the area. | 17:13 |
| Luke | haha for me that is a lot. I pay ~400 for rent at home | 17:13 |
| paulproteus | I was paying $500 a month in Baltimore, and I found a subletter for that apartment. | 17:13 |
| * paulproteus nods | 17:13 | |
| Luke | plus I had already been accepted and payed for my study abroad in russia | 17:13 |
| Luke | so I was in russia for a month | 17:14 |
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| Luke | paulproteus: whats with your irc handle not being anything like your name =) hahaha | 17:16 |
| weaver | If you hang around the 'net for any time, that's the way it is. | 17:17 |
| Luke | i've been around | 17:18 |
| Luke | long enough to register the name luke with freenode =) | 17:18 |
| paulproteus | Apparently! (-: | 17:18 |
| Luke | paulproteus: what language do you primarily program in? | 17:20 |
| paulproteus | Python when I get a chance, and I usually do. | 17:20 |
| Luke | i feel like i'm the only CCer that doesnt use python =) | 17:20 |
| weaver | Never mind. It'll all change when you get a good OS. | 17:21 |
| Luke | what OS is that? | 17:22 |
| weaver | I equate C# with MS. | 17:22 |
| Luke | http://wiki.creativecommons.org/CcBanshee is my project | 17:22 |
| Luke | *I* equate C# with Mono =) | 17:23 |
| weaver | O.K., I've heard good things of that. | 17:23 |
| Luke | C# is not my preffered language by any means. I use C if I can | 17:23 |
| Luke | but Banshee is new and big... CC needs publicity. Banshee is in C# so I learned C# for this project | 17:24 |
| Luke | i havent even sat down at a windows computer in 5+ years | 17:24 |
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| Luke | weaver: what projects do you work on? | 17:25 |
| weaver | I have, but they don't belong to me. I help peope out that get into trouble with systems that get loaded up with junk sometimes. My hands feel dirty each time it happens. | 17:26 |
| Luke | haha | 17:26 |
| Luke | unless the problem happens before windows boots, i cant fix it | 17:26 |
| weaver | You'll catch me on Debian-devel under another tag, I do a bit on Postgresql, and a couple of doc projects keep me busy, along with a new modular accounting project. | 17:27 |
| paulproteus | weaver, What's your @debian username? | 17:28 |
| weaver | Katipo, ometimes weaver. | 17:28 |
| weaver | I'm not on the server, i help one of the senior postgresql developers do the debian package. | 17:30 |
| weaver | L. I can't believe some of them. They run without a firewall, and can't understand why they don't have a clean box. | 17:32 |
| Luke | weaver: thats cool | 17:37 |
| Luke | who runs without firewall? | 17:37 |
| weaver | An amazing number of MS end users. O.K., It's 1.30 here. Time for bed. Now I know where you are, I'll drop by. | 17:39 |
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| Luke | weaver: see ya | 17:39 |
| Luke | tannewt: what do you develop for gentoo? | 17:39 |
| Luke | package maintainer? | 17:39 |
| tannewt | Luke, bugday stuff | 17:40 |
| Luke | oh cool | 17:40 |
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| Luke | i see you in here a lot and was just wondering =) | 17:40 |
| tannewt | Luke, but I've been working on my own project | 17:40 |
| tannewt | paulproteus, I'm home | 17:40 |
| Luke | tannewt: what project is that? | 17:40 |
| tannewt | Luke, http://www.openroadtrip.net | 17:41 |
| Luke | wow its a cool site | 17:42 |
| Luke | what is it though =D | 17:42 |
| tannewt | my friend and I drove around the US interviewing something like 14 people about open content and open source software | 17:43 |
| tannewt | exploring the effects of the internet on culture | 17:44 |
| Luke | that is really awesome | 17:44 |
| Luke | how did you pay for this? | 17:44 |
| Luke | and your making a documentery about it? | 17:44 |
| tannewt | Luke, working and leftover college money | 17:44 |
| tannewt | Luke, eventually | 17:45 |
| Luke | that is really awesome | 17:45 |
| Luke | heh i said that already =) | 17:45 |
| tannewt | Luke, thanks, I got back last night at like 1:30 am | 17:46 |
| Luke | ha wow you must be so tired | 17:46 |
| tannewt | drove ~ 850 miles yesterday | 17:46 |
| tannewt | a bit but I'm gonna work on putting more on the site | 17:46 |
| tannewt | Luke, where you from? | 17:48 |
| Luke | cleveland ohio | 17:48 |
| Luke | i'm an undergrad of CS at purdue university | 17:49 |
| tannewt | nice | 17:49 |
| tannewt | you do any open source projects? | 17:49 |
| Luke | http://svn.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.cgi/cctools/cc-sharp/ | 17:49 |
| Luke | C# creative commons lib | 17:49 |
| tannewt | ah, righ | 17:49 |
| tannewt | t | 17:49 |
| Luke | also ccBanshee (http://wiki.creativecommons.org/CcBanshee) which uses cc-sharp | 17:49 |
| Luke | and I used to do work on ipodlinux | 17:50 |
| Luke | http://www.ipodlinux.org | 17:50 |
| tannewt | ah fun | 17:50 |
| tannewt | :-) | 17:51 |
| Luke | =) | 17:51 |
| Luke | how did you get involved with gentoo? | 17:51 |
| Luke | gentoo was my first linux distro btw =) | 17:51 |
| tannewt | I just offered to help with bugdays | 17:52 |
| Luke | so what do you do for that? | 17:52 |
| tannewt | well, I haven't done much | 17:53 |
| Luke | oh =) | 17:54 |
| tannewt | but I provide ideas for making it better | 17:54 |
| tannewt | but like I said I get distracted with my own projects | 17:54 |
| Luke | very cool | 17:55 |
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| tannewt | Luke, yeah, just wait until some of the video is on the site :-) | 17:55 |
| Luke | let me know when you do. i love that kinda stuff | 17:56 |
| Luke | http://www.openradix.org/ is my blog | 17:56 |
| Luke | i just went to russia and argentina this summer | 17:56 |
| tannewt | yeah, I'm gonna get on it I think | 17:57 |
| tannewt | the interviews will be uploaded first | 17:57 |
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| Luke | e-star: how's your banshee working? | 18:04 |
| Luke | oh nevermind... thats e-type | 18:05 |
| Luke | haha | 18:05 |
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| Luke | mlinksva: http://svn.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.cgi/cctools/cc-sharp/ | 18:13 |
| Luke | my cc-sharp C# lib | 18:13 |
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| mlinksva | Luke, looks good overall, a few comments | 18:27 |
| mlinksva | - tests needed | 18:27 |
| mlinksva | - RdfParser is a bad name, it is really something like an RdfXmlExtractor | 18:28 |
| mlinksva | - i wonder if the expected license_uri can't just be part of the xpath expression in FindLicenseInMetadata() (not that it really matters) | 18:30 |
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| mlinksva | - i see some license property images in data but nothing to map them to license uris | 18:33 |
| mlinksva | it might be good to have the images named to easily map directly to url components (eg by.png) | 18:34 |
| mlinksva | that's all of my comments. the first is most important :) | 18:34 |
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| Luke | mlinksva: good comments | 19:32 |
| Luke | what kind of tests are you looking for? I've been testing with ccBanshee and using the main methods inside the classes | 19:33 |
| paulproteus | Luke, Unit test! | 19:34 |
| Luke | XPath cant find the license_uri because most rdf are inside comments which breaks the xml tree | 19:34 |
| Luke | so your right. RdfParser is really and RdfExtractor | 19:35 |
| Luke | or RdfXmlExtractor like you said | 19:35 |
| Luke | paulproteus: i dont know about usit test | 19:35 |
| Luke | unit* | 19:35 |
| paulproteus | Hey. | 19:38 |
| paulproteus | You don't know about unit testing? Egad! | 19:38 |
| paulproteus | Let's fix that! | 19:38 |
| paulproteus | Luke, Read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_test to see what they are. | 19:40 |
| paulproteus | It looks like http://www.nunit.org/ is the appropriate unit testing framework for C#/.NET. | 19:41 |
| Luke | paulproteus: oh this is awesome | 19:42 |
| Luke | thanks | 19:42 |
| paulproteus | http://www.nunit.org/index.php?p=quickStart&r=2.4 | 19:42 |
| paulproteus | Unit testing is great because now you know when you break things that used to work. | 19:44 |
| paulproteus | Preferably, you should write the test first, commit that, then write the implementation and commit that. | 19:44 |
| paulproteus | Also, it serves as de facto examples for an API. | 19:44 |
| Luke | awesome i'll look into this more | 19:53 |
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| bdilly | hi guys | 21:03 |
| bdilly | I want to translate ccHost and ccPublisher into Brazilian Portuguese, but languages need to be assigned to projects by server admin | 21:04 |
| bdilly | I emailed project and language to software@creativecommons.org few days ago, but I didn't receive any answer. | 21:04 |
| bdilly | What shoul I do? | 21:04 |
| Luke | hey | 21:10 |
| Luke | you might want to email nathan directly | 21:10 |
| bdilly | ok, I will do it. thanks | 21:11 |
| Luke | do you have his email? | 21:11 |
| bdilly | yeah | 21:12 |
| Luke | k | 21:12 |
| Luke | goodluck | 21:12 |
| bdilly | =) thanks | 21:13 |
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| rejon | oh, for anyone creating a language, etc, please post to the cctools bugtracker on sourceforge | 22:55 |
| rejon | I mean the patch tracker | 22:56 |
| rejon | also send email to cc-devel mailing list | 22:56 |
| rejon | that is better than software@cc.org | 22:56 |
| Luke | he left but i'll let him know if I see him or anyone else ask | 22:58 |
| rejon | (i'm emailing him) | 22:58 |
| rejon | always post to the community mailing list | 22:58 |
| rejon | best way to get answer, etc | 22:58 |
| Luke | k | 22:59 |
| rejon | he has commit access...he should just commit to the codebases | 22:59 |
| Luke | rejon: i've posted my cc-sharp lib if you'd like to take a look? | 22:59 |
| rejon | that is awesome | 23:00 |
| rejon | I just got a full patch for full svg support for getid3 | 23:00 |
| rejon | thanks to Roan | 23:00 |
| Luke | http://svn.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.cgi/cctools/cc-sharp/ | 23:00 |
| rejon | Roan is awesome and worshipped by many now :) | 23:00 |
| Luke | svg support in getid3? | 23:00 |
| Luke | why would there be svg's in and id3? | 23:00 |
| rejon | yeah, the project name is misleading | 23:01 |
| rejon | Luke: you really helped with your xpath stuff | 23:01 |
| Luke | really? =) | 23:01 |
| Luke | helped who? | 23:01 |
| rejon | it would be useful if you scanned through the Developer Challenges for the formats and added the xpath(s) for any dublincore metadata | 23:01 |
| rejon | this will help others | 23:01 |
| rejon | also, he added the generic xml module for general xml files for getid3 | 23:02 |
| rejon | which is awesome! | 23:02 |
| rejon | Luke: this looks super good | 23:02 |
| Luke | =D | 23:02 |
| Luke | thanks for pushing me to make a CC lib | 23:03 |
| rejon | hell yeah | 23:03 |
| rejon | we need to do a big press release with all this burst of activity | 23:03 |
| rejon | hopefully can get some more ppl. on board to use for their C# and php apps | 23:03 |
| Luke | yea we do | 23:03 |
| rejon | at least blog post first :) | 23:03 |
| Luke | i just got my friend interested | 23:03 |
| rejon | excellent | 23:03 |
| rejon | its the new crack :) | 23:03 |
| Luke | he's my coding partner and is looking for projects | 23:04 |
| Luke | hahaha | 23:04 |
| rejon | extreme programming | 23:04 |
| rejon | ;) | 23:04 |
| Luke | he loves python too | 23:04 |
| rejon | excellent | 23:04 |
| Luke | i think CC needs to get coders in different prog langs to extend more programs (like banshee) | 23:04 |
| Luke | i want to look at f-stop next | 23:04 |
| rejon | yes, agree | 23:04 |
| Luke | f-spot* | 23:04 |
| Luke | i'm gunna grab some dinner | 23:05 |
| rejon | also, it would be great for you to post to mono and other open source apps that use C# in order to get programmers to plug into this effort | 23:05 |
| rejon | where is your blog? | 23:05 |
| Luke | http://www.openradix.org/ | 23:05 |
| rejon | should get you added to the different planet mono-based sites | 23:05 |
| Luke | today I got a few guys from mono interested in CC | 23:05 |
| rejon | this helps much in cross-pollination | 23:05 |
| rejon | yep | 23:05 |
| rejon | awesome | 23:05 |
| Luke | true | 23:05 |
| Luke | will you be on in an hour or so? | 23:06 |
| rejon | maybe... | 23:06 |
| rejon | its really hot today in SF, so have to go check out some relaxation in the sun | 23:06 |
| Luke | i'd like to talk to you more about my cc-sharp lib and pick your brain =) | 23:06 |
| rejon | excellent | 23:06 |
| rejon | will def. be on in the evening | 23:06 |
| Luke | i'll see you around no matter what so dont worry about staying on =) | 23:06 |
| Luke | ok cool | 23:06 |
| Luke | see ya | 23:06 |
| rejon | Luke: it would be great for you to blog about your efforts | 23:06 |
| rejon | then I can write blog post that connects to your blog, for bringing you much traffic, etc | 23:07 |
| rejon | pce | 23:07 |
| Roan | hi rejon, thanks for the props :) | 23:25 |
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