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| * poningru huggles | 06:11 | |
| tannewt | huggles? | 06:16 |
| tannewt | what is the standard way to get express permission for publicity rights? | 06:28 |
| * tannewt points at the podcasting legal guide | 06:28 | |
| poningru | hmm? | 06:35 |
| poningru | tannewt: did you get it? | 06:35 |
| poningru | let me know if you didnt | 06:35 |
| poningru | oh the huggles wasnt at you... it was at the channel in general | 06:35 |
| tannewt | poningru, get what? | 06:35 |
| paulproteus | tannewt, You can email Mia Garlick (tell her I sent you, that way she'll blame me) if you like. | 06:37 |
| poningru | tannewt: the answer to whatever question you had | 06:37 |
| poningru | s/whatever/any | 06:37 |
| tannewt | paulproteus, I think I will tomorrow thanks, I got a release form from roadtrip productions so I should be able to adapt that | 06:38 |
| paulproteus | tannewt, Interesting. | 06:38 |
| tannewt | paulproteus, I'm filming interviews with people all over the US | 06:38 |
| tannewt | I leave in a week :-/ | 06:39 |
| paulproteus | tannewt, Where are you right now? | 06:39 |
| tannewt | it includes a stop at CC headquarters | 06:39 |
| paulproteus | tannewt, Oh! | 06:39 |
| tannewt | seattle | 06:39 |
| paulproteus | Then be sure to say hi to me! | 06:39 |
| tannewt | http://www.openroadtrip.net | 06:39 |
| paulproteus | Very interesting. I've certainly heard of a few of these guys! (-: | 06:40 |
| paulproteus | What software runs this website? | 06:40 |
| tannewt | yeah, I met elaine and interviewed larry already | 06:40 |
| tannewt | drupal | 06:40 |
| paulproteus | Ah-hah, Drupal. | 06:41 |
| poningru | omg | 06:41 |
| poningru | wow | 06:41 |
| paulproteus | poningru, Dude, I had a *meeting* with him on Tuesday. | 06:41 |
| paulproteus | It was fun. | 06:41 |
| poningru | with larry? | 06:41 |
| paulproteus | He said things he asked us not to tell people. | 06:41 |
| * paulproteus chuckles | 06:41 | |
| paulproteus | Yeah, the one and only. | 06:41 |
| poningru | woah | 06:41 |
| tannewt | paulproteus, meany taunting us | 06:41 |
| paulproteus | lol, tannewt, sorry. | 06:42 |
| tannewt | exciting things a happening? | 06:42 |
| poningru | tannewt: sad thing is only people I have not heard of is you and Slusher :( | 06:42 |
| poningru | tannewt: do you know cardoe? | 06:42 |
| tannewt | poningru, lol, no | 06:43 |
| tannewt | sounds familiar, from gentoo? | 06:43 |
| poningru | yeah | 06:43 |
| poningru | Dough Goldstien | 06:43 |
| poningru | maintains bunch of stuff including myth | 06:43 |
| tannewt | ah | 06:44 |
| tannewt | paulproteus, what do you do for CC? | 06:45 |
| paulproteus | Ew, Gentoo. | 06:45 |
| * paulproteus clears his throat | 06:45 | |
| poningru | rofl | 06:45 |
| paulproteus | I mean, that's a very important project whose developers you're interviewing. | 06:46 |
| tannewt | bah, I like gentoo, some are my friends :-) | 06:46 |
| paulproteus | As for me, I'm the CC tech intern. I've been working on something I'll tell you all about in a few days; it's a DHTML survey app. | 06:46 |
| tannewt | gentoo is just going through some turbulent times | 06:46 |
| tannewt | paulproteus, where'd you go to school? | 06:46 |
| paulproteus | Next off I'll be doing something exciting in Python, it seems, but I don't want to say too much more in case the project changes. | 06:46 |
| paulproteus | tannewt, jhu.edu | 06:46 |
| paulproteus | Just graduated from cognitive science undergrad there; going back for a year for a comp. sci. masters. | 06:47 |
| * poningru is a sworn debian guy too, but is slowly turning | 06:48 | |
| tannewt | nice, I'm at UW for CS | 06:48 |
| poningru | woah | 06:48 |
| tannewt | actually computer engineering | 06:48 |
| poningru | UF for microbio | 06:48 |
| poningru | tannewt: what year? | 06:48 |
| tannewt | just finished my first | 06:48 |
| tannewt | :-) | 06:48 |
| poningru | woah | 06:48 |
| paulproteus | Oh, cool. (-: | 06:48 |
| paulproteus | poningru, Did you become Keanu Reeves when I wasn't looking? | 06:49 |
| poningru | rofl | 06:49 |
| poningru | woah | 06:49 |
| * paulproteus watches bullets whoosh by poningru | 06:49 | |
| poningru | no need | 06:49 |
| * poningru stops the bullets | 06:49 | |
| poningru | tannewt: have you heard of freeculture.org? | 06:50 |
| * poningru plugs | 06:50 | |
| tannewt | yes, I emailed all of the FC leaders at the schools | 06:50 |
| paulproteus | (Please, it's FC.o!) | 06:50 |
| poningru | you did? | 06:51 |
| * poningru decides to talk to gavin about it | 06:51 | |
| tannewt | yup | 06:51 |
| tannewt | heh, I hate spamming people | 06:51 |
| tannewt | I'm want/need more help with it | 06:52 |
| tannewt | ack its late | 06:52 |
| tannewt | ss/I'm/I | 06:52 |
| tannewt | night all | 07:11 |
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| cchelpbot | New news from http://creativecommons.org/weblog/rss: Jamendo storms Amsterdam and San Francisco <http://creativecommons.org/weblog/entry/5939> || Reminder: CC Salon tonight in SF! <http://creativecommons.org/weblog/entry/5938> || Flickr find <http://creativecommons.org/weblog/entry/5937> || Midyear license adoption estimates <http://creativecommons.org/weblog/entry/5936> || Danes Get Serious About CC-Free Beer <http://creativecommons.org/weblog/entry/5934> || Beijing Salon Details <http://creativecommons.org/weblog/entry/5933> || Warsaw Salon <http://creativecommons.org/weblog/entry/5932> || Beijing, San Francisco, Second Life ... to Rio <http://creativecommons.org/weblog/entry/5931> || ScooptWords <http://creativecommons.org/weblog/entry/5930> || New Featured Commoner: Bruce Damer of the DigiBarn <http://creativecommons.org/weblog/entry/5929> || Feed licensing <http://creativecommons.org/weblog/entry/5928> || Wednesday, June 14 in San Francisco: CC Salon <http://creativecommons.org/weblog/entry/5927> || ccPublisher: A Day for Releases <http://creativecommons.org/weblog/entry/5926> || Remix Art in Second Life <http://creativecommons.org/weblog/entry/5925> || Learn computers with pictures <http://creativecommons.org/weblog/entry/5922> | 14:25 |
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| paulproteus | Mornin', mlinksva. | 16:34 |
| mlinksva | morning | 16:35 |
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| paulproteus | bovinity, Alex_Roberts, So I think I still need help. Reload? I think there's something about "inline" I should do to encourage the bullet and the text to be next to each other. <http://192.168.103.55/nc-survey/trunk/nc-mia/nc.html> | 18:28 |
| paulproteus | Er, make that just "bovinity". | 18:28 |
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| bovinity | hmm | 18:31 |
| bovinity | ahh.. float:right; the text boxes; and make them a little less wide | 18:32 |
| bovinity | width:80% should do the trick | 18:32 |
| bovinity | er, i mean float:left; | 18:32 |
| paulproteus | .option-text { | 18:33 |
| paulproteus | width: 80%; | 18:33 |
| paulproteus | float: left; | 18:33 |
| paulproteus | } | 18:33 |
| paulproteus | But reload; it doesn't seem to do it. | 18:33 |
| bovinity | add width:5% to your option-input | 18:34 |
| paulproteus | Done; now look.... | 18:34 |
| bovinity | that's... odd. | 18:34 |
| * paulproteus temporarily set option-text to float: right briefly; reload if you got that | 18:35 | |
| paulproteus | Should we be trying this in person where you and I hack at CSS in a live edit box rather than in IRC? | 18:35 |
| bovinity | i notice your option class doesn't have a width itself | 18:35 |
| * paulproteus gives it width: 100% to compensate | 18:36 | |
| paulproteus | lol, that's wrong. | 18:36 |
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| bovinity | it has to be a definite number, not a relative percentage | 18:36 |
| bovinity | ;) | 18:36 |
| * paulproteus sets it to 400px instead | 18:36 | |
| paulproteus | No... | 18:37 |
| bovinity | oh, i see | 18:38 |
| paulproteus | Oh, 40px does something interesting. | 18:38 |
| bovinity | take the label tag outside of the option-input div | 18:38 |
| bovinity | that's breaking the floats and widths | 18:38 |
| paulproteus | Hmm, that broke it in a whole new way. | 18:40 |
| paulproteus | Oh, wait, let me do that not for just *one* option. | 18:40 |
| paulproteus | Sweet! | 18:43 |
| bovinity | :) | 18:43 |
| paulproteus | YES! It applies correctly to the later stuff, too. | 18:44 |
| paulproteus | Great, thanks. (-: | 18:44 |
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| bnovc | http://creativecommons.org/technology/ -- this doesn't mention other medias that i'm unsure of what they should include...i would like to use creative commons for a group of code i plan to distribute freely for non-commercial use but i don't know how to put the license in | 20:06 |
| paulproteus | bnovc, Like programming code? | 20:07 |
| paulproteus | Why not use a software license for software? | 20:07 |
| bnovc | paulproteus: which one? | 20:07 |
| paulproteus | bnovc, I would say, the GPL. (-: | 20:07 |
| bnovc | i'm not very familiar with this process and cc looked appropriate | 20:08 |
| bnovc | its web-only though? | 20:08 |
| paulproteus | "GPL v2 or any later version" in particular. | 20:08 |
| paulproteus | bnovc, Huh? | 20:08 |
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| paulproteus | bnovc, Tell mem more about this piece of software you want to license. | 20:08 |
| paulproteus | You're the author of it? | 20:08 |
| paulproteus | Or is it collaboratively-written? | 20:08 |
| bnovc | paulproteus: co-author, yea | 20:08 |
| paulproteus | What do you mean "web-only"? | 20:08 |
| bnovc | creative commons appears to only be applicable for websites | 20:08 |
| bnovc | this code takes a SQL file and generates a webpage for it (basically) | 20:08 |
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| paulproteus | CC licenses are applicable for any sort of media. Sound files, video files, text files, printed books, and so on. | 20:09 |
| bovinity | you can CC license the content of the site; and use an open source license for the code that runs the site. | 20:09 |
| bnovc | ok, i just misunderstood cc's range then | 20:09 |
| bnovc | i'll read about GPL, thanks | 20:09 |
| paulproteus | You should know that *all* authors have to agree to distribute the software under whatever license you end up choosing. | 20:09 |
| bnovc | paulproteus: that's fine, we were working together on deciding right now anyway | 20:10 |
| paulproteus | bnovc, Okay, good. (-: | 20:10 |
| bnovc | thanks for your help | 20:11 |
| paulproteus | I urge you to use the GPL or some "GPL-compatible" license. http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/pragmatic.html has more information about one point of view on the GPL's appropriateness. | 20:11 |
| paulproteus | The importance of using a "GPL-compatible" license is that, down the road some day, someone might want to incorporate your great code into another work that is Free Software. | 20:11 |
| paulproteus | When that happens, your choice of license will affect that person's abilitiy to do that. | 20:11 |
| paulproteus | Most Free Software is under the GPL or a GPL-compatible license, so you dramatically boost the chance of that person being able to do so, without having to ask permission or get a special license from you, if you choose the GPL or a compatible license. | 20:12 |
| bnovc | well, cc sounded perfect..i want it freely editable with original license and credits, and non-commercial (paid for commercial) | 20:12 |
| bnovc | is it possible to dual license so it is free for non-commercial & education and pay for other? | 20:12 |
| paulproteus | bnovc, First of all, yes. | 20:16 |
| paulproteus | But remember what I said about GPL compatibility. | 20:17 |
| paulproteus | If all you want is for people to be allowed to run your code, then some "non-commercial use" license is okay. But if you want others to be able to really make use of it in existing Free Software programs, I'd recommend the GPL. | 20:17 |
| paulproteus | And if you're looking to pick a "non-commercial" only license, then the CC licenses are probably an okay pick. | 20:18 |
| bnovc | i probably need to practice reading legal documents :| | 20:19 |
| bnovc | does GPL require anything or just "go use it wherever" | 20:19 |
| paulproteus | http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html | 20:20 |
| paulproteus | That's the first thing you should read, in my opinion, to get a grounding of the sorts of requirements the GPL has and doesn't have. | 20:20 |
| bnovc | k | 20:20 |
| bnovc | thanks | 20:20 |
| paulproteus | Tell me if you have any more questions. | 20:20 |
| paulproteus | (Or at least tell the channel.) | 20:20 |
| bnovc | shall do, thanks for your help | 20:21 |
| bnovc | i should probably get back to REAL work for a while ;) | 20:21 |
| paulproteus | bnovc, Yeah, me too. (-: | 20:22 |
| poningru | eew dont use cc for code | 20:22 |
| poningru | ooph | 20:23 |
| paulproteus | GPL needs a flash movie like http://mirrors.creativecommons.org/getcreative/ . | 20:23 |
| paulproteus | Except it wouldn't be Flash, it would be something Free. | 20:23 |
| poningru | paid for commercial | 20:23 |
| paulproteus | But still. | 20:23 |
| poningru | that is gonna be hard for gpl | 20:23 |
| poningru | compatible | 20:23 |
| bnovc | poningru: what would you recommend | 20:23 |
| paulproteus | poningru, Not true. Qt is a company that demonstrates how to do this. | 20:24 |
| paulproteus | The GPL is great because other people who believe in Free Software get to use your stuff for free, and people who want to put your program into a proprietary product aren't allowed to unless they get permission. | 20:25 |
| poningru | right | 20:25 |
| poningru | take a look at the rhel model of business | 20:25 |
| paulproteus | The GPL does not, however, cover the *use* of the software, and it seems bnovc might want to restrict how users use the software. | 20:25 |
| poningru | or like paulproteus said qt | 20:25 |
| poningru | rhel is all free software | 20:26 |
| paulproteus | I think Qt is more appropriate, but I should work instead of having Free Software licensing fights in CC's channel. (-: | 20:26 |
| poningru | bnovc: iirc there are a few other license that might be better for you | 20:27 |
| bnovc | if you know any names i'd be glad to go read about them | 20:27 |
| paulproteus | Only if you actually want to restrict your users' freedom to use your software. | 20:27 |
| poningru | but remember along the line if someone wanted to incorporate your code into a gpl'd code you cant do it | 20:27 |
| poningru | err they cant do it | 20:27 |
| poningru | bnovc: hold on | 20:27 |
| bnovc | why is that the case? | 20:27 |
| paulproteus | http://www.fsf.org/licensing/essays/free-sw.html - read this brief piece, too. | 20:27 |
| paulproteus | bnovc, That should explain where I'm coming from. | 20:28 |
| bnovc | if there logo wasn't so ugly it would help :P | 20:28 |
| bnovc | *their | 20:28 |
| poningru | bnovc: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/license-list.html | 20:28 |
| poningru | take a look there | 20:28 |
| bnovc | shall do | 20:28 |
| poningru | that lists tons of license that are free/non-free/free-but-incompatible with gpl | 20:29 |
| bnovc | thanks :) | 20:29 |
| paulproteus | But read my free-sw.html link to understand what "free" means. | 20:29 |
| poningru | yeah exactly | 20:31 |
| * poningru would not recomend putting your code into license that will restrict your users so much | 20:31 | |
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| paulproteus | mlinksva, It looks like by far for me, the easiest way to support embedded HTML in the XML is via CDATA. Is that acceptable? | 22:26 |
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